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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 27 2016 00:37 GMT
#55861
"all veterans get a free vacation at one of my hotels, because they fought to preserve our way of life. now they can experience life the trump way"
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23683 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 00:53:22
January 27 2016 00:42 GMT
#55862
On January 27 2016 09:22 Introvert wrote:
I'm not sure wtf that came from. But there was a fox poll where like 88% said that the Cruz birther issue didn't factor in at all.

Edit: This is why I hate polls!


Well mine is of Iowa (the only state where it really matters), the one you posted about was national (we all know how everyone feels about national polls).

Trump isn't as dumb as he sounds, he's been able to read the party (which was served to him on a platter) better than the rest. This birther close is not a coincidence. It puts a cap on Cruz's support at around 30% not to mention "your voting for the guy born in Canada to be the president of the US?!" will be a powerful line at the caucus.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 27 2016 00:45 GMT
#55863
With time running out until the first primary votes are cast, establishment Republicans have begun a ferocious round of finger-pointing over who is to blame for the party’s failure to stop Donald Trump.

The chiding, once limited to private conversations, is now erupting in public view – with campaigns, operatives, donors, party officials, and conservative intellectuals arguing over why something hasn’t been done to stop the man who has been leading nearly every state and national poll since August. Trump, many in the GOP’s upper ranks are convinced, would lead the Republican Party to an epic defeat in November, with consequences all the way down the ballot.

“This whole thing is a disaster,” said Curt Anderson, a former Republican National Committee political director and veteran operative. “I think I’ll write a book about it.”

Receiving much of the blame is Right to Rise, the cash-flush super PAC that broke records when it announced last year that it had raised more than $100 million in support of Jeb Bush. The group has directed relatively little of that sum toward attacking Trump – instead focusing its efforts on taking down Bush’s establishment rivals, above all Marco Rubio. To date, the group has spent around $5 million on TV commercials going after Trump, while dropping four times as much in negative ads against Rubio. The latest spot, which came Tuesday, hammered Rubio over his messy financial history.

Right to Rise, with its nearly limitless resources, had the best chance to wage a concerted campaign to take down the real estate mogul, many are convinced – and they blame Mike Murphy, the group’s chief strategist, for missing the opportunity. While Bush often personally went after Trump on the campaign trail and in debates – even calling him a “jerk” and then cutting an ad about it – his super PAC usually hasn’t.

In recent days, those once-quiet complaints have become a roar. Stephen Hayes, an influential Weekly Standard columnist, blasted Right to Rise for a strategy that effectively “cleared the way for Trump.” Katie Packer, who served as Mitt Romney’s deputy campaign manager during the 2012 election and has been trying to orchestrate an anti-Trump effort, lamented that just 10 percent of the super PAC’s $100 million “could have had a significant impact.”


Source
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 27 2016 01:12 GMT
#55864
I've said for a while now that Trump has more political acumen than people give him credit for. At a minimum, he clearly has a crack political strategy staff working under him. I guarantee that he has focus grouped the hell out of his messaging, his attacks on opponents (Cruz in particular), and tactical decisions such as pulling out of the debate.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23683 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 01:54:39
January 27 2016 01:37 GMT
#55865
On January 27 2016 10:12 xDaunt wrote:
I've said for a while now that Trump has more political acumen than people give him credit for. At a minimum, he clearly has a crack political strategy staff working under him. I guarantee that he has focus grouped the hell out of his messaging, his attacks on opponents (Cruz in particular), and tactical decisions such as pulling out of the debate.


The debate pull-out is pretty masterful. He didn't want to go regardless of who was moderating, but by making Megyn Kelly the reason, he checkmated Roger and Rupert.

They had to back Megyn, as besides being right, she's their #1 ratings puller. But Trump supporters are absolutely on his side , not hers. So he loses nothing by not going, but Fox News has to eat crow, grovel, and throw their #1 host under the bus to actually get him back in front of what was surely planned to be a firing squad.

They will likely have to rewrite a significant portion of the debate knowing they won't have Trump on stage to badger or sick the other candidates on.

Fox News didn't get their "Putin won't be fair either..." to stick (besides basically admitting she's anti-Trump), so they are going to have to come up with one hell of a zinger to actually hurt Trump for not showing up.

I think the more likely outcome is that they look like jealous nerds complaining about how the dumb cool guy gets all the ladies.

If Fox News isn't careful they may get dragged down with the party.

I'm guessing Trump already has spin ready for when someone points out the poll results from his own tweet.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/692045676079874048



Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz says if rival Donald Trump won’t face the entire GOP field in Thursday’s Fox News debate, then he wants to go one-on-one.

“If Donald is afraid of Megyn Kelly, I would like to invite him on your show to participate in a one-on-one debate between me and Donald, mano y mano,”

“And if he thinks Megyn Kelly is so scary, what exactly does he think he’d do with Vladimir Putin? I promise you Putin is a lot scarier than Megyn Kelly."

Cruz added that Trump needs to explain to voters “how he is prepared to be commander-in-chief if he’s terrified of a television host.”


Source

Well looks like Cruz is sticking with Fox News' retort and adding some bait.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 01:55:44
January 27 2016 01:53 GMT
#55866
I'm really having a hard time understanding how refusing to show up to a free 2-hour publicity show, because you're afraid a person is going to ask you "hard" or "unfair" questions, is in anyway flattering or a good publicity move.

There is no doubt a segment of Republican voters who love this kind of textbook petulance. But (a) he already has their vote, and (b) does he understand that there is a general election after the circus is over?
Big water
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 01:58:34
January 27 2016 01:57 GMT
#55867
On January 27 2016 10:53 Leporello wrote:
I'm really having a hard time understanding how refusing to show up to a free 2-hour publicity show, because you're afraid a person is going to ask you "hard" or "unfair" questions, is in anyway flattering or a good publicity move.

There is no doubt a segment of Republican voters who love this kind of textbook petulance. But does he understand that there is a general election after the circus is over?

Pretty sure that he isn't doing this because he is afraid of "hard or unfair" questions. He is fairly certain that he won't be losing votes by not doing the debate, and by not going he likely gets even more attention than if he did attend.

This also makes it look like he is "sticking it to the man", which will likely go over well with his supporters.

He's also going to be able to play it off about how when all of the other candidates were bickering on stage he was hosting an event to help wounded veterans..

By the time the general election comes around people are not very likely to be focusing on the fact that Trump skipped a debate. And even if they were, really hasn't done anything wrong, just doing something atypical.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11439 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 02:03:45
January 27 2016 02:03 GMT
#55868
Well, by not going, he's going to get just as much publicity because he's Trump and anything he does creates waves. Rand Paul pulls out in process and the effect is negligible, but Trump trumps all. He is already known, and this just plays into his 'I'm outside the establishment'.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 27 2016 02:20 GMT
#55869
Michael Moore being interviewed by Megyn Kelly... Trump is a PR mastermind.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 02:20:46
January 27 2016 02:20 GMT
#55870
I think it would be entertaining if the moderators spend a lot of the debate inviting the candidates to attack Trump while he isn't there to defend himself. They really have nothing to lose, and If nothing else it will piss him off.

And who knows, maybe something will stick?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 27 2016 02:20 GMT
#55871
On January 27 2016 11:20 Mercy13 wrote:
I think it would be entertaining if the moderators spend a lot of the debate inviting the candidates to attack Trump while he isn't there to defend himself. They really have nothing to lose, and If nothing else it will piss him off.


And plays right into his hands.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23683 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 02:33:10
January 27 2016 02:28 GMT
#55872
Debate drama has been the theme of the day. No idea what's going on with the unsanctioned debate before NH.

Hillary's camp seems confused about how the DNC is handling unsanctioned debates. If the candidates agreeing was the only thing stopping more debates from being sanctioned than it's pretty obvious which candidate is pulling the levers at the DNC keeping there from being more debates.

Random Factoid: David Duke (former KKK Grand Wizard) came out endorsed Trump and said "Trump is heads and shoulders above the rest but sometimes he speaks a lot more radically than I talk".

Trump's been slaying the white supremacist demo lately.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 02:49:45
January 27 2016 02:49 GMT
#55873
Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

(CNN)Federal authorities arrested Ammon Bundy, the leader of a group of protesters occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, during a traffic stop Tuesday, a law enforcement official told CNN.

Up to eight of Bundy's followers were detained, the source said.

Shots were fired after authorities made the stop, according to the source. It's not clear who fired first.

The group of protesters has occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since January 2 to protest federal land policies.

Bundy, son of controversial Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and others started out protesting the sentencing of Dwight Hammond and his son Steven, ranchers convicted of arson on federal lands in Oregon.

But a march supporting the Hammonds led to the armed occupation of the refuge, with occupiers decrying what they call government overreach when it comes to federal lands.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 27 2016 02:53 GMT
#55874
This is ultimately what happens when you decide to have 1-2 debates a month for 5 months. I know some of you eat them up, but there's really just no reason for that many...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 27 2016 03:05 GMT
#55875
On January 27 2016 11:49 Livelovedie wrote:
Show nested quote +
Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

(CNN)Federal authorities arrested Ammon Bundy, the leader of a group of protesters occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, during a traffic stop Tuesday, a law enforcement official told CNN.

Up to eight of Bundy's followers were detained, the source said.

Shots were fired after authorities made the stop, according to the source. It's not clear who fired first.

The group of protesters has occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since January 2 to protest federal land policies.

Bundy, son of controversial Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and others started out protesting the sentencing of Dwight Hammond and his son Steven, ranchers convicted of arson on federal lands in Oregon.

But a march supporting the Hammonds led to the armed occupation of the refuge, with occupiers decrying what they call government overreach when it comes to federal lands.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html


and so it ends with a whimper rather than a bang. thank goodness.
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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
January 27 2016 03:10 GMT
#55876
On January 27 2016 12:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 11:49 Livelovedie wrote:
Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

(CNN)Federal authorities arrested Ammon Bundy, the leader of a group of protesters occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, during a traffic stop Tuesday, a law enforcement official told CNN.

Up to eight of Bundy's followers were detained, the source said.

Shots were fired after authorities made the stop, according to the source. It's not clear who fired first.

The group of protesters has occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since January 2 to protest federal land policies.

Bundy, son of controversial Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and others started out protesting the sentencing of Dwight Hammond and his son Steven, ranchers convicted of arson on federal lands in Oregon.

But a march supporting the Hammonds led to the armed occupation of the refuge, with occupiers decrying what they call government overreach when it comes to federal lands.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html


and so it ends with a whimper rather than a bang. thank goodness.

Apparently one was killed.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 03:24:32
January 27 2016 03:21 GMT
#55877
On January 27 2016 12:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 11:49 Livelovedie wrote:
Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

(CNN)Federal authorities arrested Ammon Bundy, the leader of a group of protesters occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, during a traffic stop Tuesday, a law enforcement official told CNN.

Up to eight of Bundy's followers were detained, the source said.

Shots were fired after authorities made the stop, according to the source. It's not clear who fired first.

The group of protesters has occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since January 2 to protest federal land policies.

Bundy, son of controversial Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and others started out protesting the sentencing of Dwight Hammond and his son Steven, ranchers convicted of arson on federal lands in Oregon.

But a march supporting the Hammonds led to the armed occupation of the refuge, with occupiers decrying what they call government overreach when it comes to federal lands.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html


and so it ends with a whimper rather than a bang. thank goodness.


If by whimper you mean "only one killed, one injured", then yes.

One person was killed when federal authorities arrested the leader of an armed occupation at a wildlife refuge in Oregon and several of his companions during a traffic stop on Tuesday, law enforcement sources said.

Another person was injured, police said.


edit, nvm first CNN news didn't clarify that. The dead is not a cop apparently.

The deceased was the subject of a federal probable cause arrest, officials said.
On track to MA1950A.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 03:24:57
January 27 2016 03:24 GMT
#55878
America where crazy people actually get elected


Washington (CNN)Maine Gov. Paul LePage says his state is too easy on drug crimes, suggesting it should bring back the guillotine for serious offenders.

The Republican governor, known for his controversial statements, was speaking on local radio Tuesday about combating the drug epidemic in his state.

"What I think we ought to do is bring the guillotine back," he told WMOV. "We could have public executions and have, you know, we could even have (guessing) which hole it falls in."

He said that he was "all in" on fighting drug criminals and said a recent proposal to establish a minimum sentence of four years for drug traffickers was too lenient.

"I think the death penalty should be appropriate for people that kill Mainers," LePage said.





http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/paul-lepage-maine-guillotine/index.html
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2016 03:27 GMT
#55879
On January 27 2016 12:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
America where crazy people actually get elected
Show nested quote +


Washington (CNN)Maine Gov. Paul LePage says his state is too easy on drug crimes, suggesting it should bring back the guillotine for serious offenders.

The Republican governor, known for his controversial statements, was speaking on local radio Tuesday about combating the drug epidemic in his state.

"What I think we ought to do is bring the guillotine back," he told WMOV. "We could have public executions and have, you know, we could even have (guessing) which hole it falls in."

He said that he was "all in" on fighting drug criminals and said a recent proposal to establish a minimum sentence of four years for drug traffickers was too lenient.

"I think the death penalty should be appropriate for people that kill Mainers," LePage said.





http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/paul-lepage-maine-guillotine/index.html

Whoa there, that man is a moron, but we do not have the monopoly on electing idiots. Poland has proven to everyone in the EU that with enough ignorance, racism and loathing of government, anything is possible.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 27 2016 03:28 GMT
#55880
On January 27 2016 12:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 12:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
America where crazy people actually get elected


Washington (CNN)Maine Gov. Paul LePage says his state is too easy on drug crimes, suggesting it should bring back the guillotine for serious offenders.

The Republican governor, known for his controversial statements, was speaking on local radio Tuesday about combating the drug epidemic in his state.

"What I think we ought to do is bring the guillotine back," he told WMOV. "We could have public executions and have, you know, we could even have (guessing) which hole it falls in."

He said that he was "all in" on fighting drug criminals and said a recent proposal to establish a minimum sentence of four years for drug traffickers was too lenient.

"I think the death penalty should be appropriate for people that kill Mainers," LePage said.





http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/paul-lepage-maine-guillotine/index.html

Whoa there, that man is a moron, but we do not have the monopoly on electing idiots. Poland has proven to everyone in the EU that with enough ignorance, racism and loathing of government, anything is possible.


well thats comfortable to know. or is it more worrisome to know.
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