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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 14 2015 23:00 GMT
#50521
The real question is whether France is going to invoke NATO Article 5 and drag everyone into Syria.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 14 2015 23:40 GMT
#50522
Doubt it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11836 Posts
November 14 2015 23:43 GMT
#50523
On November 15 2015 08:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Doubt it.


They would have a lot of support since it has been up for Article 4 before.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
November 14 2015 23:53 GMT
#50524
On November 15 2015 08:00 xDaunt wrote:
The real question is whether France is going to invoke NATO Article 5 and drag everyone into Syria.

And what exactly would that accomplish?
You don't defeat something like ISIS with armies. If you beat them on the field they just run back into the shadows and hide in the mountains and undercover amid the general population.

Dedicated terrorist/freedom fighter organizations are incredible hard to root out, that's why they still exist throughout the world.
Its easy for them to hide amid people and they require very little funds and materials to operate. Probably the easiest way is to dry up their recruitment grounds and that takes decades of politic and social improvement.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42689 Posts
November 14 2015 23:56 GMT
#50525
NATO isn't really suited for a world where conflicts are fought in the minds of the people.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 15 2015 00:18 GMT
#50526
On November 15 2015 08:56 KwarK wrote:
NATO isn't really suited for a world where conflicts are fought in the minds of the people.

When the Western world is ready to get serious about it, NATO will do just fine.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 02:40:31
November 15 2015 02:13 GMT
#50527
Wonder if we will hear some chest thumping during the debate tonight.

Climate change is directly related to the rise of terror, ooookay Bernie, correlated certainly

And interesting but poor attempt to avoid talking about Clinton's SoS performance

I also think that the Republicans are probably thanking their lucky stars the Paris attacks were after their debate, and not before it, because it threw a lot of plans out the window.

None of these three people are actually speaking very well tonight, I dunno if I can make it through this
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 15 2015 02:48 GMT
#50528
On November 15 2015 07:35 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2015 07:28 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 15 2015 07:19 IgnE wrote:
On November 14 2015 11:22 oneofthem wrote:
bless the atlantic ocean and the nsa


There seems to be an implication there that the NSA knew about the impending attacks in Paris and did nothing.

Or are you saying that the NSA has such a fearsome reputation that terrorists wouldn't even attempt to plan an attack on the US?

Even the french secret services "knew".


I am using the word "know" here to mean that people with power in the organization consciously recognized the threat and decided upon some course of action in relation to it.

The NSA "knows" pretty much everything if we only mean that they have access to information that would have told a person who knew what to look for exactly what was happening.

Yarp.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 15 2015 02:50 GMT
#50529
a wild jonny appears
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 03:10:40
November 15 2015 02:52 GMT
#50530
O'Malley actually just called Donald Trump an "immigrant-bashing carnival barker." What a world.

Sanders preaching the trickle-up economics...everyone fucking loves trickle-up.

This debate just went full clown mode

Sanders is falling apart

O'Malley actually just called Sanders "Bernie," good shit
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 15 2015 03:08 GMT
#50531
unlike the french the u.s. intelligence community isn't that hesitant to take actions upon info, usually at the border.
the french didn't do anything to returnees from syria.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4753 Posts
November 15 2015 03:10 GMT
#50532
At least they aren't falling over each other with compliments this time. Looks like the others realize they have to actually do something to beat Hillary. Still, this is hilarious.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 03:16:25
November 15 2015 03:14 GMT
#50533
The sheer number of failed jukes in this debate is cringeworthy.

ROFL Hillary just got called out by Twitter
Poorlilrich
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia262 Posts
November 15 2015 03:17 GMT
#50534
She just dodge the 9/11 question again... why didnt they whack her harder?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 03:19:53
November 15 2015 03:19 GMT
#50535
On November 15 2015 12:17 Poorlilrich wrote:
She just dodge the 9/11 question again... why didnt they whack her harder?


There's no way for the moderators to call her out very efficiently, and they do have to talk about other things/let the candidates try to whack her.

O'Malley can't because he has a Super PAC and Bernie can't call her out again because he'll be perceived as even more of a harping asshole
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 15 2015 03:19 GMT
#50536
I LOVE THIS DEBATE


Hillary getting tag teamed so hard. GTFO with that 9/11 shit
rip passion
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 03:21:05
November 15 2015 03:19 GMT
#50537
By the end of all these debates I wonder how many of the anti-Hillary leftists will still be saying that there should have been more. At this rate it doesn't seem to be working out as they hoped. IDK, there is time yet. I like watching this more as a passive observer.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
November 15 2015 03:21 GMT
#50538
On November 15 2015 12:17 Poorlilrich wrote:
She just dodge the 9/11 question again... why didnt they whack her harder?

How did she dodge it? Her point was that she gets donations from wall street because she was there for the communities and institutions that were hurt by 9/11. You can argue that's not the reason she gets donations, but she didn't dodge anything.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23230 Posts
November 15 2015 03:21 GMT
#50539
I can't believe she threw the 9/11 card and female card at the same time, she must of been shook.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 03:23:55
November 15 2015 03:22 GMT
#50540
On November 15 2015 11:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Wonder if we will hear some chest thumping during the debate tonight.

Climate change is directly related to the rise of terror, ooookay Bernie, correlated certainly

And interesting but poor attempt to avoid talking about Clinton's SoS performance

I also think that the Republicans are probably thanking their lucky stars the Paris attacks were after their debate, and not before it, because it threw a lot of plans out the window.

None of these three people are actually speaking very well tonight, I dunno if I can make it through this


Actually it helped instigate it immensely. What happened the year Arab Spring started? Drought and wildfires in Siberia where the Wheat belt is located forced Russian to suspend exports of wheat to Egypt, Syria and elsewhere. Flooding in Canada, and drought hampering the Wheat yields in the US. Prices start ticking up in the Middle East which was already seeing prolonged periods of drought forcing more and more into the cities.

Who were the first causalities of the Arab Spring those those that started protesting the bread lines and the price. The first chants mentioned bread not only in Syria, but also Egypt, and even parts of Iraq. So yes there is a correlation.
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