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On October 30 2015 12:38 notesfromunderground wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 12:37 m4ini wrote: Gravitational physicist don't sit in front of a tree all day watching apples fall down.. Yes, this was precisely the point I was making. Thank you for clarifying. Oh yes I can! I watch them and listen to them speak and maybe I ask them a question and then I can tell how smart they are. It's sort of a professional skill.
And at this point, we can scientifically measure intelligence. The following testing apparatus will work. Take Notes, let him look at people, let him tell you how smart they are. A wonderfully working and very accurate way of measuring intelligence as defined as "How smart notes thinks people are".
The main "problem" with measuring intelligence is defining it. Once that is done, you can come up with tests measuring it. Sadly, that point is kind of complicated. You can just go with "intelligence is what an IQ test measures", at which point you once again can easily measure it.
A lot of concepts get nebulously used everyday, but don't really have an exact enough meaning to measure them. This is not a failure of the scientific method, this is a direct result of different people attaching slightly different meanings to everyday terms based on their own history.
Now, as someone studying physics and maths and not really a lot of psychology (some, because i want to become a teacher), i don't know how that problem gets solved in psychology regarding intelligence. However, there are lots of similar problems in physics. Energy, for example, has a subtly different meaning in everyday life from that used in science. In colloquial speech, it often intermingles with force and power to some immeasurable conglomerate that has a lot of different meanings depending on the situation it is used in. Yet all of these are easily measurable once you go through the effort of detaching them from their nebulous everyday meanings and attach an actually working definition to them, and you can also describe all of the times they are used in everyday speech through a combination of the scientific terms. And all of that despite the fact that you will find it impossible to measure "energy" when used by someone like the person from Spirit Science. This is not a failure of science, it is a failure of the terms people use in everyday life often not actually being possible to define because they change meaning depending on who is talking, what they are talking about, and lots of other factors.
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the main problem with science is that they dont know their heraclitus. it's not a problem though.
anyway IQs suck
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Called it. You can set you watch to what Sanders says in a stump speech and what Clinton will mimic. Also noteworthy that she is calling for a reform setup in part by her husband.
U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will in the coming days outline what her campaign describes as an "extensive agenda" of criminal justice system reforms, starting with suggested sentencing changes and a racial profiling law.
Clinton will be in Atlanta on Friday to launch "African Americans for Hillary." At the event, she will begin rolling out her criminal justice proposals, which will focus on policing, incarceration and re-entry to society. She will then travel to Charleston, South Carolina, for a dinner hosted by the African American rights group NAACP.
Clinton's proposals will focus on ending what she has called the "era of mass incarceration" that has disproportionately affected communities of color.
In Atlanta, Clinton will call for equal prison sentences for crack and powder cocaine offenders and legislation that bans federal, state and local law enforcement from relying on ethnicity when initiating routine investigations, her campaign said.
The U.S. Congress in 2010 passed a law, signed by President Barack Obama, that reduced the sentencing-length disparity for crack versus powder cocaine offenses from a ratio of 100-1 to 18-1. Clinton will call for equal sentences.
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On October 31 2015 00:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Called it. You can set you watch to what Sanders says in a stump speech and what Clinton will mimic. Also noteworthy that she is calling for a reform setup in part by her husband. Show nested quote +U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will in the coming days outline what her campaign describes as an "extensive agenda" of criminal justice system reforms, starting with suggested sentencing changes and a racial profiling law.
Clinton will be in Atlanta on Friday to launch "African Americans for Hillary." At the event, she will begin rolling out her criminal justice proposals, which will focus on policing, incarceration and re-entry to society. She will then travel to Charleston, South Carolina, for a dinner hosted by the African American rights group NAACP.
Clinton's proposals will focus on ending what she has called the "era of mass incarceration" that has disproportionately affected communities of color.
In Atlanta, Clinton will call for equal prison sentences for crack and powder cocaine offenders and legislation that bans federal, state and local law enforcement from relying on ethnicity when initiating routine investigations, her campaign said.
The U.S. Congress in 2010 passed a law, signed by President Barack Obama, that reduced the sentencing-length disparity for crack versus powder cocaine offenses from a ratio of 100-1 to 18-1. Clinton will call for equal sentences. Source
It's bittersweet. On one hand, I'm glad that he is pulling her further left. On the other hand, I just don't trust her.
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Hasn't Hillary also touted in the past that she likes to be tough on crime?
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On October 31 2015 00:47 xDaunt wrote: Hasn't Hillary also touted in the past that she likes to be tough on crime? Most politicians say that stupid line. The simple fact of the matter is our prisons and justice system are a joke due to the move to private prisons. The number of people we have in the incarcerated in comparison to other nations is an embarrassment by almost any metric.
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I don't really see that as inspired by Sanders. Both Clintons have always drifted to align with the NAACP and mainstream leftist thought on black America. It's as new as '92.
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Good to see that the RNC had the balls to cancel the NBC-hosted republican debate in February.
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I'm kind of surprised they did though... What energizes the base more then watching the "MSM" launch petty attacks against the candidates?
A lot of the questions were actually pretty good, but were ruined by unnecessary insults.
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On October 31 2015 01:31 Danglars wrote: I don't really see that as inspired by Sanders. Both Clintons have always drifted to align with the NAACP and mainstream leftist thought on black America. It's as new as '92. So mainstream rightist thought is we need more blacks in prison?
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On October 31 2015 02:37 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 01:31 Danglars wrote: I don't really see that as inspired by Sanders. Both Clintons have always drifted to align with the NAACP and mainstream leftist thought on black America. It's as new as '92. So mainstream rightist thought is we need more blacks in prison?
More that they don't think there is a need to be less Black people in prison.
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On October 31 2015 02:28 Mercy13 wrote: I'm kind of surprised they did though... What energizes the base more then watching the "MSM" launch petty attacks against the candidates?
A lot of the questions were actually pretty good, but were ruined by unnecessary insults. Yeah, but there was a line that was clearly crossed by CNBC. The questioning was grossly inappropriate.
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On October 31 2015 02:45 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 02:37 frazzle wrote:On October 31 2015 01:31 Danglars wrote: I don't really see that as inspired by Sanders. Both Clintons have always drifted to align with the NAACP and mainstream leftist thought on black America. It's as new as '92. So mainstream rightist thought is we need more blacks in prison? More that they don't think there is a need to be less Black people in prison. The RNC and right have always distrusted government, unless it throws a black man is prison. Then they clearly got it right and he should be there.
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On October 31 2015 02:45 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 02:37 frazzle wrote:On October 31 2015 01:31 Danglars wrote: I don't really see that as inspired by Sanders. Both Clintons have always drifted to align with the NAACP and mainstream leftist thought on black America. It's as new as '92. So mainstream rightist thought is we need more blacks in prison? More that they don't think there is a need to be less Black people in prison. Yeah. It just seemed so unnecessary to throw in "mainstream leftist thought" there. How about just saying "The Clintons typically cater to the African-American community", or even "pander". I mean, the African-American community is in some sense an interest group just like any other that the political parties woo more or less on a variety of issues. I don't get why it has to have this Manichaen good/evil, left/right dichotomy forced upon it.
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Leading US environmental campaigners have joined a diverse line-up of pressure groups to demand a federal investigation into allegations that the oil giant ExxonMobil illegally covered up the truth about climate change.
Earlier in the week, first Bernie Sanders and then Hillary Clinton, the leading Democratic presidential candidates, called for the US government to announce an official investigation.
On Friday morning, 350.org, an environmental movement, issued a letter signed by climate campaigners, civil rights organizations, indigenous people’s groups and others, calling on US attorney general Loretta Lynch to investigate.
The letter cited “revelations that the company knew about climate change as early as the 1970s, but chose to mislead the public about the crisis in order to maximize their profits from fossil fuels”.
The letter was signed by groups such as the Environmental Defense Fund, Friends of the Earth, the Natural Resources Defense Council, Greenpeace and the Sierra Club, as well as bodies such as the Indigenous Environmental Network, which promotes environmental and economic justice issues affecting indigenous communities.
The Foundation of Women in Hip Hop, which has a stated goal of “sharing a love of the arts” and influencing perceptions about the roles of women involved with hip-hop music, also signed the letter. So did the National Audubon Society, which seeks to protect birds and their habitats, and the Ecumenical Poverty Initiative, which aims to “mobilise the faith community to end the scandal of poverty in the US”.
Leaders of the 49 campaign groups signed the letter, which charged: “The corporation knew about the dangers of climate change even as it funded efforts at climate denial and systematically misled the public.”
The appeal for action was lent extra weight by the signature of James Hansen, now the director of the climate science awareness and solutions programme at the Columbia University Earth Institute in New York but previously a climate researcher for Nasa for more than 30 years. There, he raised the alarm about climate change and became one of the world’s most renowned scientists in the field.
The letter also cites an investigation by Inside Climate News and further revelations by the Los Angeles Times which accused ExxonMobil of deception over global warming and the influence of humankind and fossil fuels.
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On October 31 2015 02:37 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 01:31 Danglars wrote: I don't really see that as inspired by Sanders. Both Clintons have always drifted to align with the NAACP and mainstream leftist thought on black America. It's as new as '92. So mainstream rightist thought is we need more blacks in prison? We're not exactly expecting her proposals on policing to encourage more stop and frisk to protect black neighborhoods from gang violence. Same goes for black on black murder. Baltimore's response to their recent troubles should be enough to show two different approaches or lines of thought on the bag of issues.
There also was an era where polling on major topics from African Americans starkly differed from the statements NAACP/Congressional Black Caucus/famous black leaders. I'm more acquainted with that divide in the 80s, but that's the thrust of why I distinguish the political divide (which for Bill Clinton wasn't incarceration/sentencing length).
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On October 31 2015 01:31 Danglars wrote: We're not exactly expecting her proposals on policing to encourage more stop and frisk to protect black neighborhoods from gang violence. Same goes for black on black murder. Baltimore's response to their recent troubles should be enough to show two different approaches or lines of thought on the bag of issues. You're suggesting the black voters support stop and frisk? Or are you saying we just need to do whether black communities want it or not it because it works? This poll suggests blacks don't support it by a wide margin. That was in 2012.
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Republican presidential campaigns are planning to gather in Washington, D.C., on Sunday evening to plot how to alter their party’s messy debate process — and how to remove power from the hands of the Republican National Committee.
Not invited to the meeting: Anyone from the RNC, which many candidates have openly criticized in the hours since Wednesday’s CNBC debate in Boulder, Colorado — a chaotic, disorganized affair that was widely panned by political observers.
On Thursday, many of the campaigns told POLITICO that the RNC, which has taken a greater role in the 2016 debate process than in previous election cycles, had failed to take their concerns into account. It was time, top aides to at least half a dozen of the candidates agreed, to begin discussing among themselves how the next debates should be structured and not leave it up to the RNC and television networks.
The gathering is being organized by advisers to the campaigns of Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham, according to multiple sources involved in the planning. Others who are expected to attend, organizers say, are representatives for Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Rick Santorum. The planners are also reaching out to other Republican candidates.
Spokespersons for the RNC did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
“I think the campaigns have a number of concerns and they have a right to talk about that amongst themselves,” said Christian Ferry, Graham’s campaign manager. The objective, Ferry said, was to “find out what works best for us as a group.”
Figuring that out could be contentious as each campaign has a number of different complaints about the process. Some — such as Bush and Paul — have griped about unequal speaking time. Others have complained bitterly about how polling is used to determine who qualifies for the prime-time and undercard debates. Some have insisted on giving opening and closing statements, despite the networks' desire to have the candidates spend as much time as possible clashing with each other on stage.
Jindal, who polls better in Iowa than he does nationally, has argued that criteria for determining who qualifies for debates should be based on early state polling, not just national surveys.
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Lol, Clinton releasing the criminal justice plan has nothing to do with the NAACP, It's a direct result of pressure from Campaign Zero and Black Lives Matter after meeting with her.
I advise people to ignore anything Danglars ever has to say about anything to do with black people.
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Jeb Bush went straight to New Hampshire after Wednesday night's Republican debate. That's where the former Florida governor needs a strong showing if he is to remain a contender for his party's nomination and where he's now working to reignite a campaign seen as sputtering.
The large sign that hung above Jeb Bush's head during his New Hampshire campaign stops read "Jeb Can Fix it." It was intended to refer to Washington, but to GOP voters like Larry Eller, who turned out to see Bush at a Geno's Chowder Shop in Portsmouth, the first thing Bush needs to fix is how he's campaigned.
"I'm just not sure he really wants it. I think it's a job you've got to really want, not just being talked into it by all the family members — 'Oh, yeah, you should run.' If you don't want it, you are not going to do a good job," he said.
Bush's trip to Geno's was something of a homecoming. "I told you I was going to come back," he told the crowd.
The Bush family has visited this lunch spot for years; a picture of Barbara Bush even hangs behind the counter. But on this day, Jeb Bush spoke outside, on a small pier lined with hay bales gone soggy from repelling the year's highest tide.
Bush brought re-enforcements: former Sen. Judd Gregg and the president of the New Hampshire state senate. The candidate himself spoke briefly, saying he was a doer, not a talker, and that the job of president is about more than standing out during televised debates.
"It's not about the big personalities on the stage. It's not about performance. It's about leadership. And the leader today in this country needs to be a unifier," Bush said.
Bush then faced the media. He said his immediate strategy is to spend a lot of time in New Hampshire. And he also denied, strenuously, that his campaign is failing.
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