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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
October 14 2015 03:10 GMT
#48001
I don't really like Hillary, but she pulled through in the debate with flying colors I think. Bernie got off to a rough start but came through better in the end. I hope he'll do better in the next debate. O'Malley was pretty good too. Webb seemed like he thought the stage was for republican candidates. And Chafee committed political suicide halfway through the debate by saying he signed a bill without reading it.

I think if Biden ran, this would be a very interesting race. I'd prefer Bernie over any of them, but if it came down to it, I'd much prefer to vote Biden over Hillary.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
October 14 2015 03:10 GMT
#48002
Interesting to consider the difference in policy between the top 3 of each party.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:11:55
October 14 2015 03:10 GMT
#48003
Personally I didn't find chafee too bad. Though it does hurt that it's hard at times to remember which one is speaking without the names. So I may've missed some of the less impressive things he said.

I didn't mind him saying he signed a bill that was passing overwhelmingly without reading it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:12:08
October 14 2015 03:11 GMT
#48004
On October 14 2015 12:10 Epishade wrote:
I don't really like Hillary, but she pulled through in the debate with flying colors I think. Bernie got off to a rough start but came through better in the end. I hope he'll do better in the next debate. O'Malley was pretty good too. Webb seemed like he thought the stage was for republican candidates. And Chafee committed political suicide halfway through the debate by saying he signed a bill without reading it.

I think if Biden ran, this would be a very interesting race. I'd prefer Bernie over any of them, but if it came down to it, I'd much prefer to vote Biden over Hillary.

I think Hillary wouldve been the clear winner if she hadn't mentioned being the first woman president, that was a little cringe-y. Chafee and Webb are totally fucked.
:)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:12:57
October 14 2015 03:12 GMT
#48005
On October 14 2015 12:06 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 14 2015 12:00 jalstar wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:57 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:45 jalstar wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:40 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:38 jalstar wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:34 synapse wrote:
On October 14 2015 11:33 Epishade wrote:
Well, at least Bernie's doing better now. He had a rough start.

I mean, they started with guns. Not a great topic for him amongst democrats


I think he came out okay on the guns in substance, but not style. I mean nobody else on the stage had an actual idea besides his; they didn't list a single thing.

Unfortunately style is all that matters.

Hillary is trying to poison everyone playing the "woman" drinking game.

Uhhh Bernie, I don't think Jim Webb or O'Malley is a billionaire.


I heard "millionaire"

To be fair, having over 1 million in net worth isn't too much of an accomplishment for someone over 30-40..


that's a pretty good impression of an out-of-touch politician. 9/10


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/01/16/where-are-the-u-s-s-millionaires/?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth

There were approximately 53,000 more millionaire households in the U.S. last year than in 2012, according to Phoenix, a market research firm based in Rhinebeck, N.Y. About 6.15 million millionaire households are spread across the U.S., according to the report. That means 1 in every 20 households in the U.S. has more than $1 million in investable assets. Those figures don’t include the value of real estate


1 in 20....not counting most people's largest asset and their non-investable assets...


1 in 20 is the top 5%, and everyday Americans are further from the top 5% than they've been in a long time. Also that's households not individuals.

Also, net assets is a pretty piss poor metric. Those people don't have access to a true. million dollars at any point in their life.

Well obviously there is a big difference between a typical millionaire and a person who has a million in disposable income...but millionaire/billionaire is typically applied to networth..

Yes, but then a lot of the people in the state of Massachusetts have half a million dollars just by owning a house. But a lot of those are not single member house holds and none of them would even be considered upper middle class.

So let's save the term millionaires for those who can throw around millions of dollars and not be homeless and without any material assets.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18206 Posts
October 14 2015 03:12 GMT
#48006
Agree. After this, I think Biden announcing would net him all of Bernie and 50% of Hillary's votes, without even doing anything. Democrats must be really fed up with the electoral field where they vote for Clinton, Emmett Brown or one of the members of the clown show. While the bloat of the Republocan primary is also retarded, at least they have some real choices.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:12:20
October 14 2015 03:12 GMT
#48007
On October 14 2015 12:11 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 12:10 Epishade wrote:
I don't really like Hillary, but she pulled through in the debate with flying colors I think. Bernie got off to a rough start but came through better in the end. I hope he'll do better in the next debate. O'Malley was pretty good too. Webb seemed like he thought the stage was for republican candidates. And Chafee committed political suicide halfway through the debate by saying he signed a bill without reading it.

I think if Biden ran, this would be a very interesting race. I'd prefer Bernie over any of them, but if it came down to it, I'd much prefer to vote Biden over Hillary.

I think Hillary wouldve been the clear winner if she hadn't mentioned being the first woman president, that was a little cringe-y.


Two times once before a commercial break and once right after, too. I'm slightly surprised she didn't mention it more though.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:17:55
October 14 2015 03:12 GMT
#48008
Meanwhile...



Oh god, the debate stuff on twitter is solid gold.

+ Show Spoiler [Because I'm a terrible person] +




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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 14 2015 03:13 GMT
#48009
On October 14 2015 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/PoliticalLine/status/654116693325815808

Oh god, the debate stuff on twitter is solid gold.


this is better then the actual debate
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 14 2015 03:14 GMT
#48010
On October 14 2015 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Meanwhile...
+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/PoliticalLine/status/654116693325815808


Oh god, the debate stuff on twitter is solid gold.

at this point, huckypoo needs any attention he can get
:)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 14 2015 03:14 GMT
#48011
On October 14 2015 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/PoliticalLine/status/654116693325815808

Oh god, the debate stuff on twitter is solid gold.

It's almost like he doesn't know what racism is.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 14 2015 03:27 GMT
#48012
I'm no theologian, but maybe Huckabee means that racism is a sin.

LMAO who am I kidding
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 14 2015 03:27 GMT
#48013
I think the debate went like a lot of people have already said.

Webb and Chafee are done.
O'Malley did well, but there's no reason to pick him over the other two.
Sanders and Clinton did equally well. They played to their strengths and both had good lines in particular situations.

I don't think the numbers will change that much, but I think that is an advantage for Sanders. The longer he can hold on to his momentum and make his name more recognizable, the more opportunities he will have to widen his message, pull in the minority vote, and set himself squarely against Clinton, exposing her as being everything he is fighting against.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:34:32
October 14 2015 03:33 GMT
#48014
On October 14 2015 12:27 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I'm no theologian, but maybe Huckabee means that racism is a sin.

LMAO who am I kidding



now don't go all "like the sound of the sea deep within a shell" on us. (I'm about 90 percent sure no one will understand what the hell this is a reference too)

even if he means that it still doesn't explain him posting something racist.

waiting for him to explain that the second post was an example of what he was talking about and what not to do
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:36:42
October 14 2015 03:34 GMT
#48015
1. Hillary Clinton did well, though her "i'm a woman!" answers were so cringey until the woman's health issues (in which it actually makes sense to bring up). Also her "I represented Wall St," and a couple other lines were quite suspect and can be turned into sound bytes

2. Bernie had a good opening, though he started out a bit rough with the gun control questions. I knew that was going to be his rough point, and it's funny that CNN started with it. Seems a bit fishy, although you can understand why it may be frontloaded. After that, he became more comfortable and got back to what he knew. I think he ended strongly, and basically tied for second. I do believe he could emphasize a bit more optimism in his spiel.

3. Martin O'Malley also did well, though I feel him a bit too choreographed as well. He speaks well, and he looks presidential. Surprised on his stance on Edward Snowden, among other things. I'm interested to see what type of press and polls he gets from this. He was so much better than the other two wannabes.

4. Jim Webb was relatively strong on foreign policy, and that's about it... I can respect him, even though he is pretty shallow.

5. Lincoln Chafee is a straight joke. I would write more about him, but he probably wouldn't even read it.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:36:31
October 14 2015 03:36 GMT
#48016
double post
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 03:54:08
October 14 2015 03:53 GMT
#48017
On October 14 2015 12:33 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 12:27 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I'm no theologian, but maybe Huckabee means that racism is a sin.

LMAO who am I kidding



now don't go all "like the sound of the sea deep within a shell" on us. (I'm about 90 percent sure no one will understand what the hell this is a reference too)

even if he means that it still doesn't explain him posting something racist.

waiting for him to explain that the second post was an example of what he was talking about and what not to do


Just think, this guy was voted in as the governor... twice. SMH
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 14 2015 04:05 GMT
#48018
[image loading]

Interesting stuff
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 04:14:20
October 14 2015 04:08 GMT
#48019
That doesn't say much as most people prob doesn't need to google Clinton. It's good for Bernie to get more exposure though.

It would be more interesting to know volume of the search, but I don't think that scale actually mean anything.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 04:14:58
October 14 2015 04:12 GMT
#48020
Only caught the end, but:
1. I think Hillary stopped the bleeding at this debate
2. Webb was in the military and has a vagina neck
3. Chafee seem sto be running for the Democratic nomination based on the assumption that less candidates makes it an easier path to the nomination than the Republican debate
4. O'Malley seems like a nice guy
5. Bernie was a little less charismatic in a debate setting, but not bad. Missed a shame to really shine though

Grades:
Hillary: A- pretty good overall, she came in with little to gain and everything to lose and made a decent job of it
Webb: C for showing up
Chafee: F because he probably did the undoable and lowered his poll numbers
O'Malley C+, but since he's nice we'll give him a B-
Bernie: B/B+ didn't feel the bern, but he didn't come up cold either

I have a little faith restored in politics though, this was much better than the circus show/food fight of the Reublican debates.
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