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On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology.
Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. Also, keep in mind that all FDA-approved hormonal medications require a prescription.
levonorgestrel (Oral route)
On May 03 2013 05:47 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:37 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:31 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:22 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:17 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 02:42 farvacola wrote:
I'm ambivalent on the topic of the morning after pill's availability to underage girls. Is it really hypocritical for Obama to suggest that parents ought to be involved when a minor under their parentage seeks the morning after pill? We could easily make the argument that parents should be involved when their minor purchases any sort of drug. After all, what's to stop a 16-year-old boy from buying a bottle of cold medicine and committing suicide by OD? Either there has to be a minimum age where we can sell medication of any sort to minors without parental involvement, or there doesn't. Singling out the morning after pill is simply a way for social conservatives to oppose and limit the availability of birth control. I have no idea how one goes about equating any old bit of OTC medicine with the morning after pill. Abusing OTC meds is one thing, making the decision to prevent a pregnancy, an event that necessarily has legal implication for the parents, is another. Edit: Just so I'm clear, I'm not decided on the topic, and I despise the manner with which social conservatives use topics such as this to further their agenda. I'm just not convinced that parents should have no say over something like this when they are responsible for practically any other decision a minor makes. My point is that many medicines have legal implications for parents. After all, a child could seriously harm or kill themselves, or do the same to others. Shouldn't parents have a say over something like this when "they are responsible for practically any other decision a minor makes"? The difference maker is the possibility of another human being introduced into the equation and the relative impact of the medical treatment being spoken to. Did you know that it is illegal for a doctor to perform surgery on a minor without parental consent? Granted, exceptions are made in life-threatening cases or when the religious beliefs of a parent might conflict with a minor's desire to receive appropriate care, but in general, the law recognizes the parents as arbiters of medical consent for minors under their parentage. Also, it is illegal for schools to give children even OTC drugs without parental consent. Which reinforces my point. By your logic, the loophole appears to be that minors can get medication of any sort without parental consent, despite requiring parental consent for other forms of treatment such as surgery.
Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:37 farvacola wrote:
With that in mind, prove to me that a pregnancy is equitable with a cold. The treatment for a potential pregnancy the day after conception is equitable with the treatment for a cold (or many other common illnesses): an OTC medication.
I don't understand that bit. Minors are not able to get medication of any sort without parental consent. Can you rephrase?
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On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
Keep in mind the 'side effects' of pregnancy are far more dangerous. 
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On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route)
Once again, selectively creating a double standard.
If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful".
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On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful".
I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress.
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On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. Also, keep in mind that all FDA-approved hormonal medications require a prescription. levonorgestrel (Oral route)Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:47 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:37 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:31 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:22 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:17 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 02:42 farvacola wrote:
I'm ambivalent on the topic of the morning after pill's availability to underage girls. Is it really hypocritical for Obama to suggest that parents ought to be involved when a minor under their parentage seeks the morning after pill? We could easily make the argument that parents should be involved when their minor purchases any sort of drug. After all, what's to stop a 16-year-old boy from buying a bottle of cold medicine and committing suicide by OD? Either there has to be a minimum age where we can sell medication of any sort to minors without parental involvement, or there doesn't. Singling out the morning after pill is simply a way for social conservatives to oppose and limit the availability of birth control. I have no idea how one goes about equating any old bit of OTC medicine with the morning after pill. Abusing OTC meds is one thing, making the decision to prevent a pregnancy, an event that necessarily has legal implication for the parents, is another. Edit: Just so I'm clear, I'm not decided on the topic, and I despise the manner with which social conservatives use topics such as this to further their agenda. I'm just not convinced that parents should have no say over something like this when they are responsible for practically any other decision a minor makes. My point is that many medicines have legal implications for parents. After all, a child could seriously harm or kill themselves, or do the same to others. Shouldn't parents have a say over something like this when "they are responsible for practically any other decision a minor makes"? The difference maker is the possibility of another human being introduced into the equation and the relative impact of the medical treatment being spoken to. Did you know that it is illegal for a doctor to perform surgery on a minor without parental consent? Granted, exceptions are made in life-threatening cases or when the religious beliefs of a parent might conflict with a minor's desire to receive appropriate care, but in general, the law recognizes the parents as arbiters of medical consent for minors under their parentage. Also, it is illegal for schools to give children even OTC drugs without parental consent. Which reinforces my point. By your logic, the loophole appears to be that minors can get medication of any sort without parental consent, despite requiring parental consent for other forms of treatment such as surgery.
On May 03 2013 05:37 farvacola wrote:
With that in mind, prove to me that a pregnancy is equitable with a cold. The treatment for a potential pregnancy the day after conception is equitable with the treatment for a cold (or many other common illnesses): an OTC medication. I don't understand that bit. Minors are not able to get medication of any sort without parental consent. Can you rephrase?
That's not true. A teenage minor can walk into a pharmacy in the US and buy most sorts of OTC medicine without parental consent, with exceptions such as DXM (because it's functionally an alcoholic beverage if you use it as such).
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On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress.
Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians.
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On May 03 2013 05:50 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
Keep in mind the 'side effects' of pregnancy are far more dangerous.
Touche' good sir, I enjoy your jest : D
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On May 03 2013 05:55 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress. Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians.
With that in mind, check out the manufacturers instructions given alongside Plan B One-Step.
Dosing
The dose of levonorgestrel will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of levonorgestrel. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.
The amount of medicine that you take depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you take each day, the time allowed between doses, and the length of time you take the medicine depend on the medical problem for which you are using the medicine.
For emergency contraception:
For oral dosage form (Plan B® One-Step tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
For oral dosage form (Plan B® tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method. A second tablet should be taken 12 hours after the first dose.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
Dosing hormonal drugs is trickier with minors of variable weight and physiological maturity. So if manufacturers and the FDA see fit to require medical supervision alongside administration of the drug, how are we to simply give it out to minors?
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On May 03 2013 05:58 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:55 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress. Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians. With that in mind, check out the manufacturers instructions given alongside Plan B One-Step. Show nested quote +Dosing
The dose of levonorgestrel will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of levonorgestrel. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.
The amount of medicine that you take depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you take each day, the time allowed between doses, and the length of time you take the medicine depend on the medical problem for which you are using the medicine.
For emergency contraception:
For oral dosage form (Plan B® One-Step tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
For oral dosage form (Plan B® tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method. A second tablet should be taken 12 hours after the first dose.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
Dosing hormonal drugs is trickier with minors of variable weight and physiological maturity.
There are many OTC drugs which recommend consulting a doctor when giving to children under certain ages. We don't ban minors from purchasing those, either.
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On May 03 2013 06:01 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:58 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:55 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress. Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians. With that in mind, check out the manufacturers instructions given alongside Plan B One-Step. Dosing
The dose of levonorgestrel will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of levonorgestrel. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.
The amount of medicine that you take depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you take each day, the time allowed between doses, and the length of time you take the medicine depend on the medical problem for which you are using the medicine.
For emergency contraception:
For oral dosage form (Plan B® One-Step tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
For oral dosage form (Plan B® tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method. A second tablet should be taken 12 hours after the first dose.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
Dosing hormonal drugs is trickier with minors of variable weight and physiological maturity. There are many OTC drugs which recommend consulting a doctor when giving to children under certain ages. We don't ban minors from purchasing those, either.
Recommend=/=must.
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What a farce of an argument to suggest the need for a prescription for Plan B pills. The wait time for a visit to a doctor in many circumstances would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drug. The best one can argue for the control of the substance is the same regulations we have on OTC amphetamines (iirc).
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On May 03 2013 06:14 aksfjh wrote:
What a farce of an argument to suggest the need for a prescription for Plan B pills. The wait time for a visit to a doctor in many circumstances would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drug. The best one can argue for the control of the substance is the same regulations we have on OTC amphetamines (iirc).
If, along with the provision of allowing 15 year old's to purchase Plan B, the government required pharmacists to go over the drugs side-effects and dosages, I don't think there would be an issue. But as of this point, the FDA approved dosage recommendations for levenogestrel do not even give numbers for those under the age of 17. This is a problem whether you like it or not.
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On May 03 2013 06:02 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:01 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:58 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:55 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress. Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians. With that in mind, check out the manufacturers instructions given alongside Plan B One-Step. Dosing
The dose of levonorgestrel will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of levonorgestrel. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.
The amount of medicine that you take depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you take each day, the time allowed between doses, and the length of time you take the medicine depend on the medical problem for which you are using the medicine.
For emergency contraception:
For oral dosage form (Plan B® One-Step tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
For oral dosage form (Plan B® tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method. A second tablet should be taken 12 hours after the first dose.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
Dosing hormonal drugs is trickier with minors of variable weight and physiological maturity. There are many OTC drugs which recommend consulting a doctor when giving to children under certain ages. We don't ban minors from purchasing those, either. Recommend=/=must.
My point is, most drugs say this sort of thing on their labels. For example, I'm looking at a box of Claritin right now and it does not give a dosage for children under six years of age or with liver/kidney disease, and to consult a doctor instead.
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On May 03 2013 06:21 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:02 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 06:01 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:58 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:55 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress. Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians. With that in mind, check out the manufacturers instructions given alongside Plan B One-Step. Dosing
The dose of levonorgestrel will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of levonorgestrel. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.
The amount of medicine that you take depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you take each day, the time allowed between doses, and the length of time you take the medicine depend on the medical problem for which you are using the medicine.
For emergency contraception:
For oral dosage form (Plan B® One-Step tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
For oral dosage form (Plan B® tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method. A second tablet should be taken 12 hours after the first dose.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
Dosing hormonal drugs is trickier with minors of variable weight and physiological maturity. There are many OTC drugs which recommend consulting a doctor when giving to children under certain ages. We don't ban minors from purchasing those, either. Recommend=/=must. My point is, most drugs say this sort of thing on their labels. For example, I'm looking at a box of Claritin right now and it does not give a dosage for children under six years of age or with liver/kidney disease, and to consult a doctor instead.
Yes, but 6 year olds are unable to purchase drugs on their own.
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2016 will be the year of the Woman no matter what the outcome. Clinton's poll numbers are insane. They are approaching FDR territory.
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On May 03 2013 06:17 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:14 aksfjh wrote:
What a farce of an argument to suggest the need for a prescription for Plan B pills. The wait time for a visit to a doctor in many circumstances would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drug. The best one can argue for the control of the substance is the same regulations we have on OTC amphetamines (iirc). If, along with the provision of allowing 15 year old's to purchase Plan B, the government required pharmacists to go over the drugs side-effects and dosages, I don't think there would be an issue. But as of this point, the FDA approved dosage recommendations for levenogestrel do not even give numbers for those under the age of 17. This is a problem whether you like it or not.
Aspirin labels sometimes do not give numbers for those under the age of 12, yet 11 year olds are not explicitly banned from purchasing aspirin, nor are pharmacists required to go over the side-effects and dosages (despite aspirin being a potentially extremely dangerous blood thinner) to minors or parents planning to give it to minors.
This "problem" is selectively manufactured for birth control by religious conservatives.
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On May 03 2013 06:21 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:21 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 06:02 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 06:01 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:58 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:55 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:53 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:51 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:
In my opinion I am fine with there being a consent on contraception since it has implications of risk associated to it although I feel it should be everything under 15 which requires such protections.
I dunno why I feel like this though... Maybe it's because if a kid ever died from over dosing on the pill, or rather if I had a kid who did, I would be outraged. I'd have no issue with my daughter having sex, as long as it's safe etc but taking pills that alter your body without speaking to a trained professional always kinda erks me a bit but my knowledge, as I may have hinted at, isn't very abundant and this is off kilter for me since I'm very progressive and socialistic in mind and ideology. Yeah, I think this is an important consideration. The morning after pill is a powerful bit of hormonal medicine that is distinctly unlike the vast majority of OTC meds. Take a look at this summary. levonorgestrel (Oral route) Once again, selectively creating a double standard. If the morning after pill truly stands out among OTC meds, then it should not be OTC for anyone, adults included. Otherwise, there is no reason you should single it out as uniquely "powerful". I agree with that though, I think it should be treated as any other hormonal drug, which as I edited in above, all require a prescription. I'm actually of the opinion that our societies loose handling of many hormonal drugs is having a detrimental effect, but I digress. Perhaps, but that is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians. With that in mind, check out the manufacturers instructions given alongside Plan B One-Step. Dosing
The dose of levonorgestrel will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following information includes only the average doses of levonorgestrel. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.
The amount of medicine that you take depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you take each day, the time allowed between doses, and the length of time you take the medicine depend on the medical problem for which you are using the medicine.
For emergency contraception:
For oral dosage form (Plan B® One-Step tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
For oral dosage form (Plan B® tablets):
Adults and teenagers 17 years of age and older—One tablet taken as soon as possible not more than 72 hours (3 days) after unprotected sex or after failure of another birth control method. A second tablet should be taken 12 hours after the first dose.
Children younger than 17 years of age—Use and dose must be determined by your doctor.
Dosing hormonal drugs is trickier with minors of variable weight and physiological maturity. There are many OTC drugs which recommend consulting a doctor when giving to children under certain ages. We don't ban minors from purchasing those, either. Recommend=/=must. My point is, most drugs say this sort of thing on their labels. For example, I'm looking at a box of Claritin right now and it does not give a dosage for children under six years of age or with liver/kidney disease, and to consult a doctor instead. Yes, but 6 year olds are unable to purchase drugs on their own.
You're nitpicking. I just gave an example for aspirin as well.
Regardless, in either case there is no categorical ban against children purchasing drugs on their own, it's just that pharmacies may informally decline to sell it to them.
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On May 03 2013 06:24 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:17 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 06:14 aksfjh wrote:
What a farce of an argument to suggest the need for a prescription for Plan B pills. The wait time for a visit to a doctor in many circumstances would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drug. The best one can argue for the control of the substance is the same regulations we have on OTC amphetamines (iirc). If, along with the provision of allowing 15 year old's to purchase Plan B, the government required pharmacists to go over the drugs side-effects and dosages, I don't think there would be an issue. But as of this point, the FDA approved dosage recommendations for levenogestrel do not even give numbers for those under the age of 17. This is a problem whether you like it or not. Aspirin labels sometimes do not give numbers for those under the age of 12, yet 11 year olds are not explicitly banned from purchasing aspirin, nor are pharmacists required to go over the side-effects and dosages (despite aspirin being a potentially extremely dangerous blood thinner) to minors or parents planning to give it to minors. This "problem" is selectively manufactured for birth control by religious conservatives.
A pharmacist or clerk who sells aspirin to a 12 year old is an idiot, but the fact remains that even aspirin has extensive FDA approved dosage recommendations that are publically available, all the way down to 2 years of age.
Aspirin dosages
In fact, every single OTC drug on the market has a well established and publically available dosage recommendation. Except for Plan B. My concern is that in making this drug available prior to making information crucial to its effective administration available as well is putting the cart before the horse.
Keep in mind I'm merely recommending that the FDA do its fucking job rather than saying that Plan B is in any way inherently off limits to 15 year olds.
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On May 03 2013 06:30 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:24 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 06:17 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 06:14 aksfjh wrote:
What a farce of an argument to suggest the need for a prescription for Plan B pills. The wait time for a visit to a doctor in many circumstances would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drug. The best one can argue for the control of the substance is the same regulations we have on OTC amphetamines (iirc). If, along with the provision of allowing 15 year old's to purchase Plan B, the government required pharmacists to go over the drugs side-effects and dosages, I don't think there would be an issue. But as of this point, the FDA approved dosage recommendations for levenogestrel do not even give numbers for those under the age of 17. This is a problem whether you like it or not. Aspirin labels sometimes do not give numbers for those under the age of 12, yet 11 year olds are not explicitly banned from purchasing aspirin, nor are pharmacists required to go over the side-effects and dosages (despite aspirin being a potentially extremely dangerous blood thinner) to minors or parents planning to give it to minors. This "problem" is selectively manufactured for birth control by religious conservatives. A pharmacist or clerk who sells aspirin to a 12 year old is an idiot, but the fact remains that even aspirin has extensive FDA approved dosage recommendations that are publically available, all the way down to 2 years of age. Aspirin dosagesIn fact, every single OTC drug on the market has a well established and publically available dosage recommendation. Except for Plan B. My concern is that in making this drug available prior to making information crucial to its effective administration available as well is putting the cart before the horse. Keep in mind I'm merely recommending that the FDA do its fucking job rather than saying that Plan B is in any way inherently off limits to 15 year olds.
Pharmacists should be trained in it's proper use. Problem solved?
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On May 03 2013 06:33 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:30 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 06:24 sunprince wrote:On May 03 2013 06:17 farvacola wrote:On May 03 2013 06:14 aksfjh wrote:
What a farce of an argument to suggest the need for a prescription for Plan B pills. The wait time for a visit to a doctor in many circumstances would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drug. The best one can argue for the control of the substance is the same regulations we have on OTC amphetamines (iirc). If, along with the provision of allowing 15 year old's to purchase Plan B, the government required pharmacists to go over the drugs side-effects and dosages, I don't think there would be an issue. But as of this point, the FDA approved dosage recommendations for levenogestrel do not even give numbers for those under the age of 17. This is a problem whether you like it or not. Aspirin labels sometimes do not give numbers for those under the age of 12, yet 11 year olds are not explicitly banned from purchasing aspirin, nor are pharmacists required to go over the side-effects and dosages (despite aspirin being a potentially extremely dangerous blood thinner) to minors or parents planning to give it to minors. This "problem" is selectively manufactured for birth control by religious conservatives. A pharmacist or clerk who sells aspirin to a 12 year old is an idiot, but the fact remains that even aspirin has extensive FDA approved dosage recommendations that are publically available, all the way down to 2 years of age. Aspirin dosagesIn fact, every single OTC drug on the market has a well established and publically available dosage recommendation. Except for Plan B. My concern is that in making this drug available prior to making information crucial to its effective administration available as well is putting the cart before the horse. Keep in mind I'm merely recommending that the FDA do its fucking job rather than saying that Plan B is in any way inherently off limits to 15 year olds. Pharmacists should be trained in it's proper use. Problem solved?
Since I'm not a medical professional, I can't say with certainty that pharmacists have the wherewithal to appropriately recommend dosages for adolescents, but if we are to assume that they can, I think that solves the problem nicely.
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