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Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
September 25 2012 03:56 GMT
#201
The song is pretty catchy, but its really the video that makes it amazing. Just hilarious, in my opinion.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 25 2012 03:57 GMT
#202
Some of my Koreans friends told me that even they don't know how this song is popular outside of Korea, lol. I think its the dance and the humor as well as some catchy verse from the song that made it popular.
People only looks into its meaning after it gets like really popular.
Terran
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
September 25 2012 04:02 GMT
#203
I find it honestly amazing how they things go viral and suddenly get so popular that they are getting mentioned everywhere and people you would never expect to know or hear about suddenly know what it is. Truly the age of the social media where things have the potential to immediately blow up and exponentially grow.
-Jacob-
Profile Joined November 2010
358 Posts
September 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#204
Its catchy and simple to dance too. Its upbeat what is there not to like about it?
Rawr
TehPrime
Profile Joined February 2012
United States180 Posts
September 25 2012 04:06 GMT
#205
It's the beat and the music video.
Rube_Juice
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada348 Posts
September 25 2012 04:09 GMT
#206
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
September 25 2012 04:16 GMT
#207
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote:
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.

The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
September 25 2012 04:16 GMT
#208
Holy shit 11 pages on this thread? wtf...

I mean if this was about how did this song get popular so quickly (had about 2mil hits in less than a hour or two) then sure. But OP is just being WAYYYYY too analytic.
Video is funny. Beat is catchy. So what?

"...dress classy, dance cheesy."
- Psy
wat wat in my pants
Picklebread
Profile Joined June 2011
808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:18:59
September 25 2012 04:18 GMT
#209
On September 25 2012 13:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote:
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.

The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly

This is why i dont like pumped up kicks by Foster the People. Everywhere i went, on EVERY radio station, it was playing all the time. Im really happy for their success but i personally cant enjoy songs after the 700th time.
Trollandknights
Profile Joined February 2012
United States68 Posts
September 25 2012 04:21 GMT
#210
You wanna discuss if this song is good when we have "Friday"? Their are far worst songs in the world then this.
ight zombies
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
September 25 2012 04:24 GMT
#211
honestly this song represents more than the lyrical meanings or anything

Tt shows how fast things can spread in our media age, i know it's not a new thing and it SHOULDN'T be surprising but holy shit this song/video really exploded overnight and still amazes me how fast it went up.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:26:58
September 25 2012 04:25 GMT
#212
On September 25 2012 13:18 Picklebread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote:
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.

The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly

This is why i dont like pumped up kicks by Foster the People. Everywhere i went, on EVERY radio station, it was playing all the time. Im really happy for their success but i personally cant enjoy songs after the 700th time.

meh didn't like that song too much.

on topic:
the funny thing is that he is probably the most "successful" family member. All of his other siblings are known to be quite intelligent (doctors, degree holders etc...) but he, before this video, was an outcast (the stereotypical party-goer failure who leeched off of family's wealth). Look at him now. The modern society today knows his name and art. I personally find this quite ironic.

But seriously how did this video get viral so quickly. I mean koreans would be the first ones to watch it... I find it hard to believe that he adapting the music to the pop style is what made it so good. I feel like his advertising members did a damn good job.

edit:

On September 25 2012 13:24 GreyKnight wrote:
honestly this song represents more than the lyrical meanings or anything

Tt shows how fast things can spread in our media age, i know it's not a new thing and it SHOULDN'T be surprising but holy shit this song/video really exploded overnight and still amazes me how fast it went up.

This.
I remember this song had about 13mil? in two days it went up to 25. I check a week later and its up 100mil. FYI if you video view count exceeds 100million then google sends you a check of 100k dollars
wat wat in my pants
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:28:12
September 25 2012 04:25 GMT
#213
--------didnt mean to double post. Refer above -----------
wat wat in my pants
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:27:52
September 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#214
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
+ Show Spoiler +



I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:
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Discuss.

Edit: Someone posted this article, thought it was worth reposting...
+ Show Spoiler +

Park Jaesang is an unlikely poster boy for South Korea's youth-obsessed, highly lucrative, and famously vacuous pop music. Park, who performs as Psy (short for psycho), is a relatively ancient 34, has been busted for marijuana and for avoiding the country's mandatory military service, and is not particularly good-looking. His first album got him fined for "inappropriate content" and the second was banned. He's mainstream in the way that South Korea's monolithically corporate media demands of its stars, who typically appear regularly on TV variety and even game shows, but as a harlequin, a performer known for his parodies, outrageous costumes, and jokey concerts. Still, there's a long history of fools and court jesters as society's most cutting social critics, and he might be one of them.

Now, Park has succeeded where the K-Pop entertainment-industrial-complex and its superstars have failed so many times before: he's made it in America. The opening track on his sixth album, "Gangnam Style" (watch it at right), has earned 49 million hits on YouTube since its mid-July release, but the viral spread was just the start.

The American rapper T-Pain was retweeted 2,400 times when he wrote "Words cannot even describe how amazing this video is." Pop stars expressed admiration. Billboard is extolling his commercial viability; Justin Bieber's manager is allegedly interested. The Wall Street Journal posted "5 Must-See" response videos. On Monday, a worker at L.A.'s Dodger stadium noticed Park in the stands and played "Gangnam Style" over the stadium P.A. system as excited baseball fans spontaneously reproduced Park's distinct dance in the video. "I have to admit I've watched it about 15 times," said a CNN anchor. "Of course, no one here in the U.S. has any idea what Psy is rapping about."

I certainly didn't, beyond the basics: Gangnam is a tony Seoul neighborhood, and Park's "Gangnam Style" video lampoons its self-importance and ostentatious wealth, with Psy playing a clownish caricature of a Gangnam man. That alone makes it practically operatic compared to most K-Pop. But I spoke with two regular observers of Korean culture to find out what I was missing, and it turns out that the video is rich with subtle references that, along with the song itself, suggest a subtext with a surprisingly subversive message about class and wealth in contemporary South Korean society. That message would be awfully mild by American standards -- this is no "Born in the U.S.A." -- but South Korea is a very different place, and it's a big deal that even this gentle social satire is breaking records on Korean pop charts long dominated by cotton candy.

"Korea has not had a long history of nuanced satire," Adrian Hong, a Korean-American consultant whose wide travels make him an oft-quoted observer of Korean issues, said of South Korea's pop culture. "In fact, when you asked me about the satire element, I was super skeptical. I don't expect much from K-Pop to begin with, so the first 50 times I heard this, I was just like, 'Allright, whatever.' I sat down to look at it and thought, 'Actually, there's some nuance here.'"

One of the first things Hong pointed to in explaining the video's subtext was, believe it or not, South Korea's sky-high credit card debt rate. In 2010, the average household carried credit card debt worth a staggering 155 percent of their disposable income (for comparison, the U.S. average just before the sub-prime crisis was 138 percent). There are nearly five credit cards for every adult. South Koreans have been living on credit since the mid-1990s, first because their country's amazing growth made borrowing seem safe, and then in the late 1990s when the government encouraged private spending to climb out of the Asian financial crisis. The emphasis on heavy spending, coupled with the country's truly astounding, two-generation growth from agrarian poverty to economic powerhouse, have engendered the country with an emphasis on hard work and on aspirationalism, as well as the materialism that can sometimes follow.

Gangnam, Hong said, is a symbol of that aspect of South Korean culture. The neighborhood is the home of some of South Korea's biggest brands, as well as $84 billion of its wealth, as of 2010. That's seven percent of the entire country's GDP in an area of just 15 square miles. A place of the most conspicuous consumption, you might call it the embodiment of South Korea's one percent. "The neighborhood in Gangnam is not just a nice town or nice neighborhood. The kids that he's talking about are not Silicon Valley self-made millionaires. They're overwhelmingly trust-fund babies and princelings," he explained.

This skewering of the Gangnam life can be easy to miss for non-Korean. Psy boasts that he's a real man who drinks a whole cup of coffee in one gulp, for example, insisting he wants a women who drinks coffee. "I think some of you may be wondering why he's making such a big deal out of coffee, but it's not your ordinary coffee," U.S.-based Korean blogger Jea Kim wrote at her site, My Dear Korea. (Her English-subtitled translation of the video is at right.) "In Korea, there's a joke poking fun at women who eat 2,000-won (about $2) ramen for lunch and then spend 6,000 won on Starbucks coffee." They're called Doenjangnyeo, or "soybean paste women" for their propensity to crimp on essentials so they can over-spend on conspicuous luxuries, of which coffee is, believe it or not, one of the most common. "The number of coffee shops has gone up tremendously, particularly in Gangnam," Hong said. "Coffee shops have become the place where people go to be seen and spend ridiculous amounts of money."

The video is "a satire about Gangnam itself but also it's about how people outside Gangnam pursue their dream to be one of those Gangnam residents without even realizing what it really means," Kim explained to me when I got in touch with her. Koreans "really wanted to be one of them," but she says that feeling is changing, and "Gangnam Style" captures people's ambivalence.

"Koreans have been kind of caught up in this spending to look wealthy, and Gangnam has really been the leading edge of that," Hong said. "I think a lot of what [Psy] is pointing out is how silly that is. The whole video is about him thinking he's a hotshot but then realizing he's just, you know, at a children's playground, or thinking he's playing polo or something and realizes he's on a merry-go-round."

"Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic."

Psy hits all the symbols of Gangnam opulence, but each turns out to be something much more modest, as if suggesting that Gangnam-style wealth is not as fabulous as it might seem. We think he's at a beach in the opening shot, but it turns out to be a sandy playground. He visits a sauna not with big-shot businessmen but with mobsters, Kim points out, and dances not in a nightclub but on a bus of middle-aged tourists. He meets his love interest in the subway. Kim thinks that Psy's strut though a parking garage, two models at his side as trash and snow fly at them, is meant as a nod to the common rap-video trope of the star walking down a red carpet covered in confetti. "I think he's pointing out the ridiculousness of the materialism," Hong said.

(If you're wondering about the bizarre episodes in the elevator and with the red sports car, as I was, it turns out that those are probably just excuses for a couple of cameos by TV personalities, which is apparently common in South Korean music videos.)

None of this commentary is particularly overt, which is actually what could make "Gangnam Style" so subversive. Social commentary is just not really done in mainstream Korean pop music, Hong explained. "The most they'll do is poke fun at themselves a little bit. It's really been limited." But Psy "is really mainstreaming it, and he's doing it in a way that maybe not everybody quite realizes." Park Jaesang isn't just unusual because of his age, appearance, and style; he writes his own songs and choreographs his own videos, which is unheard of in K-Pop. But it's more than that. Maybe not coincidentally, he attended both Boston University and the Berklee College of Music, graduating from the latter. His exposure to American music's penchant for social commentary, and the time spent abroad that may have given him a new perspective on his home country, could inform his apparently somewhat critical take on South Korean society.

Of course, it's just a music video, and a silly one at that. Does it really have to be about anything more complicated? "If I hadn't seen that behind-the-scenes, I would have said he's just poking fun at himself," Hong said of the official making-of video, which is embedded at right. It's mostly of Park or Psy having fun on set, but at one point he pauses in filming. "Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic. Each frame by frame was hollow," he sighs, apparently deadly serious. It's a jarring moment to see the musician drop his clownish demeanor and reveal the darker feelings behind this lighthearted-seeming song. Although, Hong noted, "hollow" doesn't capture it: "It's a word that's a mixture or shallow or hollow or vain," he explained.

Kim seemed to feel the same way about the video, though it's so cheery on the surface. "He was satirizing more than just this one neighborhood," she told me. On her blog, she suggested the video portrayed the Gangnam area, a symbol of South Korea's national aspirations for prosperity and status, as "nothing but materialistic and about people who are chasing rainbows." Pretty heavy for a viral pop hit.

"I think it all ties back to the same thing: the pursuit of materialism, the pursuit of form over function," Hong said. "Koreans made extraordinary gains as a country, in terms of GDP and everything else, but that growth has not been equitable. I think the young people are finally realizing that. There's a genuine backlash. ... You're seeing a huge amount of resentment from youth about their economic circumstances." Even if Psy wasn't specifically nodding to this when he wrote the song and shot the video, it's part of the contemporary South Korean society that he inhabits. "The context is all of these tensions going on where Koreans are realizing where they're at, how they got there, what they need to do to move forward."

It's difficult to imagine that much of this could be apparent to non-Koreans, which Kim told me is why she decided to write it up on her blog. "I thought people outside Korea might take it just as another funny music video. So I wanted to explain what's behind [it] and the song." Still, is it possible that the video could have caught on for reasons beyond just its admittedly catchy beat and hilarious visuals? After all, Korean pop really does not seem to typically do well in the U.S., and this has gotten enormous. "It's kind of the first genuine pop-culture crossover from Korea," Hong said, noting it's "more in the American style." Maybe it's possible that, even if the specific nods to the quirks of this Seoul neighborhood couldn't possibly cross over, and even if the lyrics are nonsense to non-Korean speakers, there's something about obviously skewering the ostentatiously rich that just might resonate in today's America.

Whatever the case, Koreans seem to be proud of their first big musical export to the U.S., Hong said, noting that the Korean media has meticulously covered the video's tremendous reception here. "Koreans are definitely talking about it and pointing to it as a source of national pride." Maybe there's something relatable about Gangnam style.


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Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
September 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#215
Its fun and entertaining, leave it at that! Psy is reaping the success he deserves, its a catchy and awesome dance song.
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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
September 25 2012 04:29 GMT
#216
On September 25 2012 08:27 KimJongChill wrote:
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On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote:
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.


yeah I read something about that..it's like a criticism of Korean consumerist culture. The song itself isn't so great, it actually sounds a lot like some lmfao song or something, which at least explains its Western popularity~


here you go guys :

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/gangnam-style-dissected-the-subversive-message-within-south-koreas-music-video-sensation/261462/

i've discussed that with several korean people here and they all said that it was a little bit far fetched
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kef
Profile Joined September 2010
283 Posts
September 25 2012 04:31 GMT
#217
It's catchy, the video is hilarious, and the chicks are hot. Those are 3 perfectly good reasons to like a song, even if they're everyone else's reason. Is it so bad to like a song that other people like?
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SmokeMonster
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada72 Posts
September 25 2012 04:34 GMT
#218
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:


Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:41:42
September 25 2012 04:36 GMT
#219
Honestly, I think it sounds like any other vacuous Kpop.

I didn't even know about the existence of this song until I looked it up a few weeks ago myself. I have only ever encountered references to its popularity on the internet and have yet to hear it playing anywhere in public or see anyone dancing to it. Either the song's not as popular as people are making it out to be, or I just live in a black hole where nothing of popular culture reaches my ears. (Probably the latter, I suspect, but I am on a college campus?)

EDIT: For reference, the first time I actually heard the song was when I caught Ganzi dancing to it on-stream when the Koreans were stuck in the US due to the weather.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
September 25 2012 04:36 GMT
#220
On September 25 2012 13:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:


Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.

Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!
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