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Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:56:48
September 24 2012 23:24 GMT
#1
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:



I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:



Discuss.

Edit: Someone posted this article, thought it was worth reposting...

Park Jaesang is an unlikely poster boy for South Korea's youth-obsessed, highly lucrative, and famously vacuous pop music. Park, who performs as Psy (short for psycho), is a relatively ancient 34, has been busted for marijuana and for avoiding the country's mandatory military service, and is not particularly good-looking. His first album got him fined for "inappropriate content" and the second was banned. He's mainstream in the way that South Korea's monolithically corporate media demands of its stars, who typically appear regularly on TV variety and even game shows, but as a harlequin, a performer known for his parodies, outrageous costumes, and jokey concerts. Still, there's a long history of fools and court jesters as society's most cutting social critics, and he might be one of them.

Now, Park has succeeded where the K-Pop entertainment-industrial-complex and its superstars have failed so many times before: he's made it in America. The opening track on his sixth album, "Gangnam Style" (watch it at right), has earned 49 million hits on YouTube since its mid-July release, but the viral spread was just the start.

The American rapper T-Pain was retweeted 2,400 times when he wrote "Words cannot even describe how amazing this video is." Pop stars expressed admiration. Billboard is extolling his commercial viability; Justin Bieber's manager is allegedly interested. The Wall Street Journal posted "5 Must-See" response videos. On Monday, a worker at L.A.'s Dodger stadium noticed Park in the stands and played "Gangnam Style" over the stadium P.A. system as excited baseball fans spontaneously reproduced Park's distinct dance in the video. "I have to admit I've watched it about 15 times," said a CNN anchor. "Of course, no one here in the U.S. has any idea what Psy is rapping about."

I certainly didn't, beyond the basics: Gangnam is a tony Seoul neighborhood, and Park's "Gangnam Style" video lampoons its self-importance and ostentatious wealth, with Psy playing a clownish caricature of a Gangnam man. That alone makes it practically operatic compared to most K-Pop. But I spoke with two regular observers of Korean culture to find out what I was missing, and it turns out that the video is rich with subtle references that, along with the song itself, suggest a subtext with a surprisingly subversive message about class and wealth in contemporary South Korean society. That message would be awfully mild by American standards -- this is no "Born in the U.S.A." -- but South Korea is a very different place, and it's a big deal that even this gentle social satire is breaking records on Korean pop charts long dominated by cotton candy.

"Korea has not had a long history of nuanced satire," Adrian Hong, a Korean-American consultant whose wide travels make him an oft-quoted observer of Korean issues, said of South Korea's pop culture. "In fact, when you asked me about the satire element, I was super skeptical. I don't expect much from K-Pop to begin with, so the first 50 times I heard this, I was just like, 'Allright, whatever.' I sat down to look at it and thought, 'Actually, there's some nuance here.'"

One of the first things Hong pointed to in explaining the video's subtext was, believe it or not, South Korea's sky-high credit card debt rate. In 2010, the average household carried credit card debt worth a staggering 155 percent of their disposable income (for comparison, the U.S. average just before the sub-prime crisis was 138 percent). There are nearly five credit cards for every adult. South Koreans have been living on credit since the mid-1990s, first because their country's amazing growth made borrowing seem safe, and then in the late 1990s when the government encouraged private spending to climb out of the Asian financial crisis. The emphasis on heavy spending, coupled with the country's truly astounding, two-generation growth from agrarian poverty to economic powerhouse, have engendered the country with an emphasis on hard work and on aspirationalism, as well as the materialism that can sometimes follow.

Gangnam, Hong said, is a symbol of that aspect of South Korean culture. The neighborhood is the home of some of South Korea's biggest brands, as well as $84 billion of its wealth, as of 2010. That's seven percent of the entire country's GDP in an area of just 15 square miles. A place of the most conspicuous consumption, you might call it the embodiment of South Korea's one percent. "The neighborhood in Gangnam is not just a nice town or nice neighborhood. The kids that he's talking about are not Silicon Valley self-made millionaires. They're overwhelmingly trust-fund babies and princelings," he explained.

This skewering of the Gangnam life can be easy to miss for non-Korean. Psy boasts that he's a real man who drinks a whole cup of coffee in one gulp, for example, insisting he wants a women who drinks coffee. "I think some of you may be wondering why he's making such a big deal out of coffee, but it's not your ordinary coffee," U.S.-based Korean blogger Jea Kim wrote at her site, My Dear Korea. (Her English-subtitled translation of the video is at right.) "In Korea, there's a joke poking fun at women who eat 2,000-won (about $2) ramen for lunch and then spend 6,000 won on Starbucks coffee." They're called Doenjangnyeo, or "soybean paste women" for their propensity to crimp on essentials so they can over-spend on conspicuous luxuries, of which coffee is, believe it or not, one of the most common. "The number of coffee shops has gone up tremendously, particularly in Gangnam," Hong said. "Coffee shops have become the place where people go to be seen and spend ridiculous amounts of money."

The video is "a satire about Gangnam itself but also it's about how people outside Gangnam pursue their dream to be one of those Gangnam residents without even realizing what it really means," Kim explained to me when I got in touch with her. Koreans "really wanted to be one of them," but she says that feeling is changing, and "Gangnam Style" captures people's ambivalence.

"Koreans have been kind of caught up in this spending to look wealthy, and Gangnam has really been the leading edge of that," Hong said. "I think a lot of what [Psy] is pointing out is how silly that is. The whole video is about him thinking he's a hotshot but then realizing he's just, you know, at a children's playground, or thinking he's playing polo or something and realizes he's on a merry-go-round."

"Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic."

Psy hits all the symbols of Gangnam opulence, but each turns out to be something much more modest, as if suggesting that Gangnam-style wealth is not as fabulous as it might seem. We think he's at a beach in the opening shot, but it turns out to be a sandy playground. He visits a sauna not with big-shot businessmen but with mobsters, Kim points out, and dances not in a nightclub but on a bus of middle-aged tourists. He meets his love interest in the subway. Kim thinks that Psy's strut though a parking garage, two models at his side as trash and snow fly at them, is meant as a nod to the common rap-video trope of the star walking down a red carpet covered in confetti. "I think he's pointing out the ridiculousness of the materialism," Hong said.

(If you're wondering about the bizarre episodes in the elevator and with the red sports car, as I was, it turns out that those are probably just excuses for a couple of cameos by TV personalities, which is apparently common in South Korean music videos.)

None of this commentary is particularly overt, which is actually what could make "Gangnam Style" so subversive. Social commentary is just not really done in mainstream Korean pop music, Hong explained. "The most they'll do is poke fun at themselves a little bit. It's really been limited." But Psy "is really mainstreaming it, and he's doing it in a way that maybe not everybody quite realizes." Park Jaesang isn't just unusual because of his age, appearance, and style; he writes his own songs and choreographs his own videos, which is unheard of in K-Pop. But it's more than that. Maybe not coincidentally, he attended both Boston University and the Berklee College of Music, graduating from the latter. His exposure to American music's penchant for social commentary, and the time spent abroad that may have given him a new perspective on his home country, could inform his apparently somewhat critical take on South Korean society.

Of course, it's just a music video, and a silly one at that. Does it really have to be about anything more complicated? "If I hadn't seen that behind-the-scenes, I would have said he's just poking fun at himself," Hong said of the official making-of video, which is embedded at right. It's mostly of Park or Psy having fun on set, but at one point he pauses in filming. "Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic. Each frame by frame was hollow," he sighs, apparently deadly serious. It's a jarring moment to see the musician drop his clownish demeanor and reveal the darker feelings behind this lighthearted-seeming song. Although, Hong noted, "hollow" doesn't capture it: "It's a word that's a mixture or shallow or hollow or vain," he explained.

Kim seemed to feel the same way about the video, though it's so cheery on the surface. "He was satirizing more than just this one neighborhood," she told me. On her blog, she suggested the video portrayed the Gangnam area, a symbol of South Korea's national aspirations for prosperity and status, as "nothing but materialistic and about people who are chasing rainbows." Pretty heavy for a viral pop hit.

"I think it all ties back to the same thing: the pursuit of materialism, the pursuit of form over function," Hong said. "Koreans made extraordinary gains as a country, in terms of GDP and everything else, but that growth has not been equitable. I think the young people are finally realizing that. There's a genuine backlash. ... You're seeing a huge amount of resentment from youth about their economic circumstances." Even if Psy wasn't specifically nodding to this when he wrote the song and shot the video, it's part of the contemporary South Korean society that he inhabits. "The context is all of these tensions going on where Koreans are realizing where they're at, how they got there, what they need to do to move forward."

It's difficult to imagine that much of this could be apparent to non-Koreans, which Kim told me is why she decided to write it up on her blog. "I thought people outside Korea might take it just as another funny music video. So I wanted to explain what's behind [it] and the song." Still, is it possible that the video could have caught on for reasons beyond just its admittedly catchy beat and hilarious visuals? After all, Korean pop really does not seem to typically do well in the U.S., and this has gotten enormous. "It's kind of the first genuine pop-culture crossover from Korea," Hong said, noting it's "more in the American style." Maybe it's possible that, even if the specific nods to the quirks of this Seoul neighborhood couldn't possibly cross over, and even if the lyrics are nonsense to non-Korean speakers, there's something about obviously skewering the ostentatiously rich that just might resonate in today's America.

Whatever the case, Koreans seem to be proud of their first big musical export to the U.S., Hong said, noting that the Korean media has meticulously covered the video's tremendous reception here. "Koreans are definitely talking about it and pointing to it as a source of national pride." Maybe there's something relatable about Gangnam style.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
September 24 2012 23:25 GMT
#2
Can we not?
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
September 24 2012 23:25 GMT
#3
To KMD we go!
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Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
September 24 2012 23:25 GMT
#4
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
September 24 2012 23:26 GMT
#5
I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 24 2012 23:27 GMT
#6
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote:
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.


yeah I read something about that..it's like a criticism of Korean consumerist culture. The song itself isn't so great, it actually sounds a lot like some lmfao song or something, which at least explains its Western popularity~
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Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
September 24 2012 23:28 GMT
#7
Your username is gangnam style.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:28:18
September 24 2012 23:28 GMT
#8
cant it just be popular because its catchy, has a funny dance, and is just weird enough to actually be cool?
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:31:03
September 24 2012 23:29 GMT
#9
To be honest.. This thread appears very over-analytical and unnecessary. Some people over-think things too much, this is a prime example.

Simply stated.. Its a catchy song, and people are having fun watching it being performed.

Can we not bring all this "conformity" type crap into this? It makes no sense.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 24 2012 23:29 GMT
#10
Gangnam Style is not a self-critical song.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
September 24 2012 23:29 GMT
#11
On September 25 2012 08:28 Excludos wrote:
cant it just be popular because its catchy, has a funny dance, and is just weird enough to actually be cool?

This.

I don't know about you guys, but if I'm somewhere where someone plays this song for whatever reason, I have no problem dancing to it :D
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nadafanboy42
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
September 24 2012 23:30 GMT
#12
You do realize all you're doing is trying to look cool by dissing something popular, since that helps you feel good about yourself and fit in socially? Noone expects pop music, especially viral pop music, to be deep meaningful and long-lasting. It's just a silly song people find fun.
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Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:31:50
September 24 2012 23:30 GMT
#13
So? It's the same thing with everything else. Is this just different because we play starcraft which is a game dominated by korean players and this song is kpop? You're completely right about people liking things just to be popular so just like what you like and don't care about anyone else. There really isn't anything you can do about it and why would you want to if you could?
EDIT :
Your username is gangnam style.
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KlinKz
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada149 Posts
September 24 2012 23:31 GMT
#14
its all rooted to the funny "meme-like" horse dance that psy does during his music video. People love it and the music is actually quite catchy "opa gangnam style! heeeeeey sexy lady" the dance is only ackward if you cant dance like most people (in the ellen show) probably dont know what they are doing.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
September 24 2012 23:32 GMT
#15
Wow this changes everything!
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#16
I like Gangnam Style a lot. I don't like the song itself, but I like that it's creative and iconic. There's nothing better than beating your friend at a hand of poker, and then doing Gangnam Style dance to rub it in his face.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#17
On September 25 2012 08:28 Zim23 wrote:
Your username is gangnam style.

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how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#18
ur so cool for wanting approval from the internet
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#19


Relevant?
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Absurdly
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada59 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#20
It's pop music. It has a catchy beat is all, I think most people who like the song know that even.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#21
On September 25 2012 08:28 Zim23 wrote:
Your username is gangnam style.


I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
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JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#22
i think the problem is that us team liquider's were at the start of the bandwagon and have heard it probably a thousand times now. its overplayed to us.
Wortie
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands212 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#23
I feel we should contact the sponsors...
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
September 24 2012 23:33 GMT
#24
I actually hate this song. My wife is Korean and she played it like at least 5 times recently in my apartment. Ok it was amusing the first time, but after the fifth time I want to CHOKE A BITCH!
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Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
September 24 2012 23:34 GMT
#25
why is this abomination of a thread not closed? Gangnam style is best
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
September 24 2012 23:35 GMT
#26
But the lyrics, man. And his career is full of great pop songs that don't try to mimic anything more than any other k-pop song would. And I'd like to see if you can became a pop star with his looks. And... and...

And you're so full of mad just because it became popular it doesn't mean it sucks; if it didn't get popular you wouldn't be saying such things. I think you're just mad because you have the hear the "op.op.op.oppa gangnam style" line everywhere, which I admit can get annoying, but that's no reason to attack Psy's works. Psy has done many songs like this one in the past and I've never seen you making a bash-review of them. If you dislike it then you probably dislike all pop music in which case you shouldn't make a thread titled "gangnam style - is it even that good?" but instead titled "pop music - is it even that good?".
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
September 24 2012 23:35 GMT
#27
Personally the first time I saw the video was during a commercial break for GSL code a qualifiers and thought it was the best k-pop video I had seen in a while. Can you point out a different music video (korean or not) that you think deserves more hype from the general population? If not then isn't you opinion rather more about pop culture in general and not about gangnam style in particular?
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 24 2012 23:36 GMT
#28
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote:
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.


Gangnam Style Dissected. The Subversive Message Within.

Here ya go, buddy.

I found it quirky and fun for the first few listens. End of story.

Backstory got me interested in it, again. Then, lost interest after a few days. My life is cool.

MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#29
On September 25 2012 08:33 Silentness wrote:
I actually hate this song. My wife is Korean and she played it like at least 5 times recently in my apartment. Ok it was amusing the first time, but after the fifth time I want to CHOKE A BITCH!


Ain't there a bitch nearby? )
Cowman
Profile Joined November 2011
United States13 Posts
September 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#30
1. Gangnam Style is a great song
2. Last time that I checked, no one in my house is dancing to it, none of the popular kids in my school even know about it
3. He made the music video for fun dude, just let it be! He is just doing his job by making songs
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sona
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada52 Posts
September 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#31
very catchy i like it
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
September 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#32
I completely disagree. I don't like any K-Pop songs I've heard so far with the sole exception of gee and gangnam style. I really dig gangnam style's tune and the video is just hilarious ^^ Also, Psy gets bonus points for not trying to be cool (unlike pretty much every other "artist") and making fun of himself.
IMHope
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)1241 Posts
September 24 2012 23:38 GMT
#33
Your name is gangnam style and you say the song is not very good -_-
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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 24 2012 23:38 GMT
#34
On September 25 2012 08:37 Cowman wrote:
1. Gangnam Style is a great song
2. Last time that I checked, no one in my house is dancing to it, none of the popular kids in my school even know about it
3. He made the music video for fun dude, just let it be! He is just doing his job by making songs


More than just for fun, apparently. And in a good way.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:39:41
September 24 2012 23:39 GMT
#35
A song doesn't reach most popular in the world because of "selling out" and people (like me) don't listen to a song and watch the music video 20+ times to be "accepted". Not all of us are that lonely, sorry to tell you.

Psy created a real gem, nothing else to it. The music video is by far best of the year when it comes to music, I challenge you to find anything else even close in 2012.
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:41:14
September 24 2012 23:39 GMT
#36
OP is mad at people liking something.

It's okay to not like things.


[edit] Also, OP is a complete troll. His username is Gangnam Style ffs.
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 24 2012 23:40 GMT
#37
Those dance moves crack me up every time
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Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 24 2012 23:40 GMT
#38
Simplistic, over-mastered mainstream pop music can be boring, uninspiring and repetitive? Well alert the damn presses.

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FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
September 24 2012 23:40 GMT
#39
Groupthink probably plays a role in this too.
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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#40
But seriously. That dance move can't be brand new.

Someone must have done that one already, no?
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#41
Yes, yes it is that good.


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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:42:46
September 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#42
Relative to what?

Kpop? Sure.
Music overall? Nope.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#43
It's gotten too popular all the hipsters are freaking out.
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ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
September 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#44
He stands out from the numerous girl/boy bands in the Korea music scene.

killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
September 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#45
On September 25 2012 08:41 Luepert wrote:
It's gotten too popular all the hipsters are freaking out.


Agreed.

OP, your hipster is showing.
Arkard
Profile Joined April 2012
15 Posts
September 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#46
You do realize all you're doing is trying to look cool by dissing something popular, since that helps you feel good about yourself and fit in socially? Noone expects pop music, especially viral pop music, to be deep meaningful and long-lasting. It's just a silly song people find fun.


Thats the most idiotic point of view I have heard in a while. It does not even make any real sense and you should realize that your comment is even more bashing pop music by saying it is inherently worthless.
"Pop" is for popular and saying that something popular can not have some quality is just a sign of defeatism.

As for the meaning of the lyrics, Moomu has posted a nice link everyone should check on.
Corvette
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States433 Posts
September 24 2012 23:43 GMT
#47
The only thing I dont like is how local radio stations edit the song.

ie they change the lyrics from gangam style to "Tampa"style
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 24 2012 23:43 GMT
#48
Haters gonna hate, as always. Gangnam style is an awesome song, and it comes with an even better dance!
Bora Pain minha porra!
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
September 24 2012 23:43 GMT
#49
Gangnam Style is popular because the video features an unapologetic male lead who doesn't give a fuck about what others think about him.
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 24 2012 23:43 GMT
#50
On September 25 2012 08:42 ilikeredheads wrote:
He stands out from the numerous girl/boy bands in the Korea music scene.



The fact that this is a soon-to-be overweight middle aged man pushing 40 is pretty funny.

How does K-Pop tolerate it?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 24 2012 23:45 GMT
#51
What does this even mean? Is it even that good? It's art. It's not objectively good or bad.
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
September 24 2012 23:45 GMT
#52
At least something might finally overtake Justin Bieber as #1 video on Youtube
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
September 24 2012 23:49 GMT
#53
On September 25 2012 08:45 foxmeep wrote:
At least something might finally overtake Justin Bieber as #1 video on Youtube

He's still #1. He hasn't broken Bieber yet.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
September 24 2012 23:50 GMT
#54
I liked it before it was mainstream
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 24 2012 23:53 GMT
#55
I think a lot of people are feeling bitter because it's really really big now, but they saw it before it was 'cool'. Also, what jalstar said.
memes are a dish best served dank
j.k.l
Profile Joined September 2012
112 Posts
September 24 2012 23:53 GMT
#56
it's probably better than anything you can make in you life.

why so much hate?
~ Spirit will set you free ~
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
September 24 2012 23:54 GMT
#57
On September 25 2012 08:49 Butterednuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:45 foxmeep wrote:
At least something might finally overtake Justin Bieber as #1 video on Youtube

He's still #1. He hasn't broken Bieber yet.


That's why I said might
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 24 2012 23:54 GMT
#58
On September 25 2012 08:53 j.k.l wrote:
it's probably better than anything you can make in you life.

why so much hate?


Hate is easy. Motherfucker.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
September 24 2012 23:54 GMT
#59
Lets not
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
September 24 2012 23:55 GMT
#60
It's just a fun song to listen and dance to or whatever. Why yall taking this shit so seriously.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:56:19
September 24 2012 23:55 GMT
#61
On September 25 2012 08:53 marttorn wrote:
I think a lot of people are feeling bitter because it's really really big now, but they saw it before it was 'cool'. Also, what jalstar said.

I don't mind.

I do think that other songs by him are better, yes, but he did what he wanted to do: Do something shocking for his fans, just like how he debuted back in 2001. He did it very well, and the international hit just... happened out of nowhere.

But yeah, if I wanted to be hipster, you guys have no idea how good Psy's songs are

10원짜리야

(jk, you guys are not worth 10 won. But hopefully some people get the reference, especially those crying 'Psy's other songs were better')
ppp
marconi
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia220 Posts
September 24 2012 23:55 GMT
#62
On September 25 2012 08:41 GreYMisT wrote:
Yes, yes it is that good.




Thread winner
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:01:18
September 24 2012 23:56 GMT
#63
It's pop music, which means it's actually shit music. Add the same moronic catchy rhythms, some women because sex sells, mix together with dancing like having a seizure in the video clip and there you go, you have a "hit" song. A song by the way, that is pretty much "composed" (if something so terrible can actually be composed) for the most of the time by someone else.

If the singer sucks they can always use those sound programs to fix it. Pop (industrial) music is terrible because it has nothing to do with actual musicianship, just some guy jumping like a monkey/women showing as much skin as possible and singing whatever he/she wants because the same formula will work no matter what.

Anyone remember Rebecca Black?

Mainstream listener is the bane of actual, solid musicianship.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
September 24 2012 23:57 GMT
#64
I think the song is no different from any other pop song. It has novelty and has that silly dance, but beyond that it's nothing special, imo.
savior & jaedong
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
September 24 2012 23:58 GMT
#65
Yes OP, Gangnam Style IS THAT GOOD.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
September 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#66
The song isn't particularly good or unique but that video... sooooo funny.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#67
Today I went to gas station to fill my car... guess what was playing.

First time I actually hear an Asian song on US mainstream radio.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
September 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#68
This song is awesome, not exactly good, but awesome.
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
September 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#69
On September 25 2012 08:37 Cowman wrote:
1. Gangnam Style is a great song
2. Last time that I checked, no one in my house is dancing to it, none of the popular kids in my school even know about it
3. He made the music video for fun dude, just let it be! He is just doing his job by making songs


Oh man. Everyone in my school is raving about it haha. And I'm all like in my corner, I showed you it before and they are like "dis shit is stupid" and now they're like "oh man gangnam style is the best shit"
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:05:35
September 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#70
he follow what's hip? he has one of the most unique singing/dancing/humor among any artists. This has been a common trend since his debut over a decade ago.

On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IbzN8M5z7E


Discuss.


Because singing about how great one's father is and the sacrifices he's made was a common American pop/rap genre. You arguably gave the worst possible song ever as an example for trying to follow pop/rap trends.



tell me this isn't good

On September 25 2012 08:56 Bleak wrote:
It's pop music, which means it's actually shit music. Add the same moronic catchy rhythms, some women because sex sells, mix together with dancing like having a seizure in the video clip and there you go, you have a "hit" song. A song by the way, that is pretty much "composed" (if something so terrible can actually be composed) for the most of the time by someone else.

If the singer sucks they can always use those sound programs to fix it. Pop (industrial) music is terrible because it has nothing to do with actual musicianship, just some guy jumping like a monkey and singing whatever he wants because the same formula will work no matter what.

Anyone remember Rebecca Black?

Mainstream listener is the bane of actual, solid musicianship.


Thing is, he doesn't autotune and his voice is quite fantastic compared to the majority of mainstream singers
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
September 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#71
Its a fun song, right? It plays all the time at the restaurant I work at. I catch some of the waitresses humming it at odd moments, even though they haven't seen its video. Its just a cool fun song.

And we all know the video is a lot of fun.

Why worry so much? Save the aesthetics talk for those with a more serious claim as artists, not merely entertainers.
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
September 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#72
You haven't even said anything about why you think the song is bad. All of your points are that the people who like the song don't have good reasons to like it.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
September 25 2012 00:01 GMT
#73
I think it's hilarious that it's gotten so huge, and I'm glad, even though each time I listen to it, I get a little more tired of it. There's something really funny and cute about a bunch of Ellen audience members dancing to it and screaming as well.

It probably wouldn't hurt for some of the really ignorant to have a reason to mentally distinguish South Korea from the North, even if this song isn't the ideal first impression.
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
September 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#74
On September 25 2012 08:53 marttorn wrote:
I think a lot of people are feeling bitter because it's really really big now, but they saw it before it was 'cool'. Also, what jalstar said.

That happens to many artists who just suddenly hit the spotlight. It's just that mentality that "I'm cooler than you because I knew about them before you did or even before they were famous" kind of deal. Sure it bugs me sometimes, especially when some people who don't know Kpop just suddenly think they are so engrossed into it even though they only watched Gangnam style and maybe a few other mainstream songs. That's the only problem I have with Gangnam style being popularized. Otherwise I'm pretty happy that Kpop is getting more awareness and that Psy had a great comeback. Though this thread is not really thread worthy in the first place. It's more of an opinion based thread and OP, and should be discussed in the KMD thread. However it's been killed to death many times over already.
j.k.l
Profile Joined September 2012
112 Posts
September 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#75
it's fucking can't even be compared to party rock or anything related to those americans.

yes, op, it is that good.
~ Spirit will set you free ~
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
September 25 2012 00:05 GMT
#76
I listen and watch the video because I think its hilarious and entertaining. Not good, or bad, just awesome. Regardless of what anyone else thinks. I think that's how most anything is, pop-culture or the most underground stuff, people in general just like what they like THEN identify with the other people around them who share their opinions, not the other way around. Outside of middle school liking something PURELY because it is "pop-culture" is pretty rare. IMO.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 25 2012 00:05 GMT
#77
On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote:
I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...

Exactly. Hot women acting cute and good looking guys dancing. Or, in Psy's case, a funny looking guy trying to dance as funny as he can.
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Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
September 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#78
It's just a hype train for people who've never listened to Korean music before.

For people closer to Korea and Kpop in general it's hit or miss.
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HumpingHydra
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada97 Posts
September 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#79
Well I can honestly say its my favourite music video in who knows how long. Its catchy, rediculous, epic, and awesome. Psy's dancing is fantastic and he should get a statue. It is THAT good. I wish I could dance like that...
For the Swarm!
Genjimaru
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada515 Posts
September 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#80
I thought it was pretty funny the first few times I saw it. I wouldn't really consider any pop music to be good though. It's good for what it is I guess.
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
September 25 2012 00:14 GMT
#81
Ugh...my friends were laughing about it and doing it at the bus stop...I was so embarrassed = = ;;
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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 00:14 GMT
#82
Psy executes that stop pose at the end of the song like a champ. His fattish figure makes it just that much better. Respect.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
September 25 2012 00:15 GMT
#83
what on earth is the point of this thread, there are plenty of extremely popular things that i personally find boring.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 25 2012 00:16 GMT
#84
idk how this is even a trend
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
September 25 2012 00:16 GMT
#85
i don't like most pop music, but I love this one. The singing, the way he enunciates and the pronunciations, the melody, dance, music video, etc. etc. I love.
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:18:18
September 25 2012 00:17 GMT
#86
It's like Gee Gee from SNSD. Why do you like that song? Besides the cute Korean girls
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Kooun
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada260 Posts
September 25 2012 00:18 GMT
#87
hey, at least his song has more likes than dislikes on youtube. Justin beiber's baby song is different.
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
September 25 2012 00:21 GMT
#88
it's a combination of factors that make it amazing:
1) a very weird/unique/almost-makes-no-relevant-sense dance
2) the music video is absolutely amazing
3) the lyrics for the song is quite fantastic (granted most people can't understand it)
j.k.l
Profile Joined September 2012
112 Posts
September 25 2012 00:22 GMT
#89
why do koreans make so pretty babies?
~ Spirit will set you free ~
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:22:30
September 25 2012 00:22 GMT
#90
it's catchy and random.. not my #1.. but oh well.
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Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
September 25 2012 00:23 GMT
#91
It's a lot better than that Justin Bieber, Akon, and Rihanna crap that most people are listening to. That makes it good thing in my book.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
neversummer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States156 Posts
September 25 2012 00:23 GMT
#92
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pulselol wrote:
Can we not?




User was warned for this post
Those scientists better check their hypotenuses, dude.
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
September 25 2012 00:25 GMT
#93
While the song is fun and catchy, I read a post that explains its deeper meaning. As an example, the song can be compared to Eminem's "Without Me": A catchy tune + criticism on society.

LINK HERE
It's not like previous post didn't have explanations, but I just found this post much easier to read and much more convincing.
The World God Only Knows
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:27:19
September 25 2012 00:25 GMT
#94
I think Gangnam Style is great, and that was before it was cool. Your point where you say he made it for whatever is considered mainstream in the US can't be correct simply because of the name. How many non-Koreans know waht Gangnam is? If he wanted to cater it towards western viewers he would have named it something else entirely.

I especially disagree with the part of your post that says he's just making music to fit in with what's 'cool' at the time. His other pieces are great, and they aren't even that popular. Look at 'Right Now', for example. Very catchy, very good music video which clearly indicates he made it to take away from the rather monotonous, boring lifestyle prevalent in Seoul. Something westerners can't relate to.

One of his other songs, 'It's Art', completely trashes your theory. The way he made it clearly shows his passion for music and his love for his fans. It's simply heart-warming. Definitely destroys the notion that he 'sells-out' to western music.
Tracking treasure down
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
September 25 2012 00:27 GMT
#95
Yooouuuuuuuuuuuuu!

Crank that soulja boy, Now watch me you

I will master Speshul Taktics.!
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:30:39
September 25 2012 00:28 GMT
#96
On September 25 2012 09:25 PolskaGora wrote:
I think Gangnam Style is great, and that was before it was cool. Your point where you say he made it for whatever is considered mainstream in the US can't be correct simply because of the name. How many non-Koreans know waht Gangnam is? If he wanted to cater it towards western viewers he would have named it something else entirely.

I especially disagree with the part of your post that says he's just making music to fit in with what's 'cool' at the time. His other pieces are great, and they aren't even that popular. Look at 'Right Now', for example. Very catchy, very good music video which clearly indicates he made it to take away from the rather monotonous, boring lifestyle prevalent in Seoul. Something westerners can't relate to. One of his other songs, 'It's Art', completely trashes your theory. The way he made it clearly shows his passion for music and his love for his fans. It's simply heart-warming. Definitely destroys the notion that he sells-out to western music.


let's not forget that, contrary to most main stream artists, he does NOT release albums very frequently. They are at the least 2 year intervals, which hints at the time and dedication he puts into each album. The only other mainstream singer that I know of who works like that is Seo Taiji and his songs are incredible as well.

(random fact: Seo Taiji does a completely new genre of music for every album he releases)
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:32:22
September 25 2012 00:30 GMT
#97
I used to think and say all pop things are crap, but I had all these guilty pleasures and noticed I really had a lot of fun listening to stuff I would intellectually dismiss. So then I just slowly started finding which pop music I actually truly liked and was in denial about and what I don't like and now pop is just like any other genre to me, I feel like I can pick out and appreciate the songs I really like and have tons of fun listening to them, and the ones that are terrible and have some fun bashing or sadness bashing them, and instead of having a "stupid" song as a guilty pleasure, I try to figure out why I really enjoy it and just accept enjoying it and things like it for what that is.

It's just a bonus that lots of other people know pop music so it's easy and fun conversational fodder.

Plus I think a lot of pop music comes from intelligent or very relatable places, but is just packaged in a different aesthetic than other "serious" genres.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 25 2012 00:32 GMT
#98
Thread runs on.

OP doesn't bother responding. Hooray.

I went and listened to Gangnam Style a bunch more times after reading this.
Yargh
gnr9292
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
90 Posts
September 25 2012 00:32 GMT
#99
doing 90s American pop/rap in 2005= selling out
good logic there buddy
hes doing something hip?
is that why other songs on the billboard sound like gangnam style?

not a fan of psy but
none of your statements make sense
JeanLuc
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:35:34
September 25 2012 00:33 GMT
#100
Finally someone who echoes my dislike of Gangnam Style! Hear, hear!

Edit: After reading the name of the OP, I feel as if he created the account and made all those nonsensical posts in the Breaking Bad thread all to set up this very moment, so he could be a poster named Gangnam style criticizing the Gangnam style phenomenon. It's a troll!
If you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth-- you don't deserve to wear that uniform
Arkard
Profile Joined April 2012
15 Posts
September 25 2012 00:33 GMT
#101
On September 25 2012 08:56 Bleak wrote:
It's pop music, which means it's actually shit music. Add the same moronic catchy rhythms, some women because sex sells, mix together with dancing like having a seizure in the video clip and there you go, you have a "hit" song. A song by the way, that is pretty much "composed" (if something so terrible can actually be composed) for the most of the time by someone else.

If the singer sucks they can always use those sound programs to fix it. Pop (industrial) music is terrible because it has nothing to do with actual musicianship, just some guy jumping like a monkey/women showing as much skin as possible and singing whatever he/she wants because the same formula will work no matter what.

Anyone remember Rebecca Black?

Mainstream listener is the bane of actual, solid musicianship.


Define actual musicianship just to make me laugh.

And by the way, Psy must be a good musician, we went to Berklee.
Clarityxo
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland174 Posts
September 25 2012 00:33 GMT
#102
Yes, yes it is that good.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 25 2012 00:35 GMT
#103
No, it's shitty and annoying just like JB lol. May be 1-2 times, but other than I just turn off w/e plays it.
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
September 25 2012 00:37 GMT
#104
On September 25 2012 08:28 Zim23 wrote:
Your username is gangnam style.


Troll defused.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
September 25 2012 00:39 GMT
#105
OPPA GANGNAM STYLE

:DX-<
EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
September 25 2012 00:41 GMT
#106
Yeah, I think it's pretty good. I'm definitely not one who'll play it everyday over and over. I've been a fan of Psy since I heard "새 - Bird" on Music Bank when I was in middle school or something. It's catchy, but the actual melody behind the music is the same musical phrase consistently repeated over and over again with no variation.

He also breaks the current Korean pop star stereotype that you have to be a young pretty boy/girl band to be successful

There's a part of the Korean public who doesn't like Psy becasue he didn't properly serve his military service so he had to do a second term...to me that wasn't a big deal but some of the general public seemed to care because he didn't fulfill his legal obligation properly the first time.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 25 2012 00:42 GMT
#107
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote:
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.

you can say that about every song ever created really...
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
September 25 2012 00:42 GMT
#108
i think the general consensus over at KMD is "the song is fine, we're just tired of hearing it." There are other songs to listen to from both Psy and other groups.
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
robm
Profile Joined November 2011
United States56 Posts
September 25 2012 00:43 GMT
#109
OP trolling gangnam style. He should read more Cracked.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-stupidest-things-that-make-people-proud/
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 25 2012 00:44 GMT
#110
It's a lot of fun. Granted it might feel incredibly silly a few months from now, but for the moment it's infectious.
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Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
September 25 2012 00:45 GMT
#111
You don't understand how pop culture works. You really don't...people actually like it you know, it is not just a way to fit in. It is just different tastes and cutural upbringings ffs..
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Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1318 Posts
September 25 2012 00:45 GMT
#112
It's catchy and has a sexual twist to it.
And this is 2012, sex sells.

Good is in raw talent, beautiful voice and delivery?
No, it's garbage. But who cares? The music industry is all about marketing these days.
nope
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
September 25 2012 00:46 GMT
#113
I think the words Kpop and "good" are mutually exclusive at this point.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 00:47 GMT
#114
On September 25 2012 09:42 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote:
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.

you can say that about every song ever created really...


Ehhh... not really.
nadafanboy42
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 00:47:38
September 25 2012 00:47 GMT
#115
On September 25 2012 08:42 Arkard wrote:
Show nested quote +
You do realize all you're doing is trying to look cool by dissing something popular, since that helps you feel good about yourself and fit in socially? Noone expects pop music, especially viral pop music, to be deep meaningful and long-lasting. It's just a silly song people find fun.


Thats the most idiotic point of view I have heard in a while. It does not even make any real sense and you should realize that your comment is even more bashing pop music by saying it is inherently worthless.
"Pop" is for popular and saying that something popular can not have some quality is just a sign of defeatism.

As for the meaning of the lyrics, Moomu has posted a nice link everyone should check on.

If you're going to call someone's view idiotic, it would be nice if you displayed basic reading comprehension.
The only thing more common than dissing something just because it's popular is liking something just because it's popular, if you're not aware of that you must not get out much.
You should also realize the only one saying pop music is inherently worthless is you. I made no such claims. I said noone expects pop music to be deep and meaningful because, news flash, just because something is popular doesn't make it good. There's plenty of good pop songs, which are vastly outnumbered by the bad pop songs. If you expect the number one song on the charts to be the best and most meaningful song of the moment, 9 times out of 10 you're going to have a bad time.
I had read Moomu's link long before this thread was ever posted, and it doesn't change that to all the people enjoying Gangnam Style it is a silly song people find fun. I'll retract that statement once I see PSY lead a march to whatever the Korean equivalent of the Washington monument is.
NaDa/Jaedong/Liquid-Fanboy
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
September 25 2012 00:48 GMT
#116
On September 25 2012 09:25 Ryshi wrote:
While the song is fun and catchy, I read a post that explains its deeper meaning. As an example, the song can be compared to Eminem's "Without Me": A catchy tune + criticism on society.

LINK HERE
It's not like previous post didn't have explanations, but I just found this post much easier to read and much more convincing.

Someone just saved the thread.
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inn5013orecl
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States227 Posts
September 25 2012 00:49 GMT
#117
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:
Discuss.


Do you follow k-pop? If you did, you'd know he's not selling out. His mv is not even close to standard kpop, which is usually full of flashy cool dances (vs funny) and hot guys and girls. It's very rare that a guy like Psy (30+ yrs and slightly overweight) reaches that level of popularity with the younger crowd of South Korea, which is generally very superficial with their celebrity interests. Tons of my k-pop friends were initially lamenting that it was this song, and not one by SNSD or 2NE1, that was the international break-out song of korea.

Just youtube mv's of "beast korea", "se7en korea", "troublemaker korea", etc. and you'll get an idea of how different Psy is to them. Just because he isn't artsy-fartsy doesn't mean he's a sell out.
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GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
September 25 2012 00:49 GMT
#118
Isnt there a Korean music thread already?
Cocoba
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada352 Posts
September 25 2012 00:51 GMT
#119
There's always that one guy...
:D
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
September 25 2012 00:51 GMT
#120
This song played in my colleges caf last week.
It's making work hard considering how I've had Kpop hard coded alongside Starcraft for the past.. several years...
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
September 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#121
The song is extremely catchy and gets stuck in your head very easily -_-

Whether or not it's actually a good song (I don't think it is), it's entertaining at the very least.
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NobledBlood
Profile Joined January 2011
United States125 Posts
September 25 2012 00:53 GMT
#122
I love the song because of what it actually means, and what the rest of his songs are mean't for. It's a really fun and energetic song that gets you moving. And he seemed to enjoy making the video.
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
September 25 2012 00:53 GMT
#123
You're telling me THIS



is MAINSTREAM?!
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
September 25 2012 00:53 GMT
#124
make it stop !!

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Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 00:56 GMT
#125
On September 25 2012 09:52 PH wrote:
The song is extremely catchy and gets stuck in your head very easily -_-

Whether or not it's actually a good song (I don't think it is), it's entertaining at the very least.


Lucky for you. It actually is a "good" song. Layered, satirical, unapologetic, wild... all pushed forward by Psy's boring mug.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 25 2012 00:57 GMT
#126
It's like asking if the macarena was even that good. It's catchy, it have a fun video with a easy to pick up choreography and it's a mix of english and foreign language. That's all you need for a song to go viral. Wheter or not it's actually "good" is sort of beside the point.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
September 25 2012 00:57 GMT
#127
It is a great song. I also get to be hipster with it and say I liked it before it was popular when the video had like under a million views. I actually heard it on the radio today when I was driving to the bank
gnr9292
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
90 Posts
September 25 2012 00:58 GMT
#128
just confirmed this guy is a troll
just look at his past posts
he gets perverted excitement from negative attention
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 25 2012 00:58 GMT
#129
Hay sexy lady.

I think popularity has to do with the MV. The actual song is ehh, but the MV is pretty damn good.
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bosnia
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada223 Posts
September 25 2012 01:00 GMT
#130
what does GANGNAM STYLE mean in a sentence or less?
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Gangnam Style
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
111 Posts
September 25 2012 01:01 GMT
#131
On September 25 2012 08:59 Crisco wrote:
Thing is, he doesn't autotune and his voice is quite fantastic compared to the majority of mainstream singers




20 seconds in for the remainder of the song.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
September 25 2012 01:03 GMT
#132
On September 25 2012 10:00 bosnia wrote:
what does GANGNAM STYLE mean in a sentence or less?

Read this

On September 25 2012 09:25 Ryshi wrote:
While the song is fun and catchy, I read a post that explains its deeper meaning. As an example, the song can be compared to Eminem's "Without Me": A catchy tune + criticism on society.

LINK HERE
It's not like previous post didn't have explanations, but I just found this post much easier to read and much more convincing.


It's mockery about people embracing their rich livestyle a bit too much,
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
September 25 2012 01:03 GMT
#133
So many people will just hop on bandwagon, but some genuinely like the song and video etc, its best to just see how it is popularity wise in 6 months.

It will probably blow over like all that Kony stuff, i bet 95% of the people who signed up didnt even do the event. I know my GF didnt, even though she was all crazy running around handing out fliers and doing a speech in front of her entire school, but in a few months time, bandwagon stuff conveniently doesnt exist any more. Everyone was "Busy". Give it time.

Gangnam Style is popular because the video features an unapologetic male lead who doesn't give a fuck about what others think about him.


This is also true, and awesome, a good role model

Still #1 mass ladder music :D
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37022 Posts
September 25 2012 01:06 GMT
#134
It's catchy
It's fun
It's cool
It's what's hip right now

IT'S GANGNAM STYLE

(and you either like it or you don't. But if you don't, then you get flamed. So you follow the crowd and celebrate with others)
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 25 2012 01:06 GMT
#135
I actually like it, sue me.
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Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
September 25 2012 01:07 GMT
#136
Best Korean music I've heard
. San E's got some decent tracks too. It's cool that the Korean music is starting to spill out even if it's a bad song to start with, it's gives people a taste, and a successful follow up should be easily doable. Give this dude props, he's expanding an industry.
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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 01:08 GMT
#137
On September 25 2012 09:57 TheRabidDeer wrote:
It is a great song. I also get to be hipster with it and say I liked it before it was popular when the video had like under a million views. I actually heard it on the radio today when I was driving to the bank


I caught it at close to a 100 mil.

I was like, "what the fuck? how can that be?".

Next time I came back to it, that figure jumped by the equivalent of oh.... the population of Britain.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 25 2012 01:11 GMT
#138
On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote:
I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...


This. K-Pop music is the definition of trendy nonsense, but it's catchy to the listeners. A lot of music falls into this category nowadays, but it's not necessarily bad. In fact, I prefer such type of music if I'm trying to party to it (well, not kpop, but music with really no meaning to it, but it just has a fun beat or something).

Gangnam Style is more so funny and amusing than it is catchy, which is why it's caught on to more mainstream. It's not for the quality of music itself.
GrapeApe
Profile Joined March 2011
1053 Posts
September 25 2012 01:15 GMT
#139
Obviously, like so many of us, I've been seeing Gangnam style for a bit now...but today, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I heard Gangnam style come on the radio. I was shocked. Yet I rocked out.
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yurta
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada91 Posts
September 25 2012 01:15 GMT
#140
I can't be bothered to read the entire OP (got have way through before I called TROLL on this one) or the thread. I am going to go under the impression that no one mentioned that the OP's user name is "Gangnam Style" and he joined TL.net a month after the song was released. I would call this one very long elaborate troll and being are discussing this like it means something.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this is all I can read into this.
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 01:16 GMT
#141
On September 25 2012 10:15 GrapeApe wrote:
Obviously, like so many of us, I've been seeing Gangnam style for a bit now...but today, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I heard Gangnam style come on the radio. I was shocked. Yet I rocked out.


I like your style.




Double space after period.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
September 25 2012 01:17 GMT
#142
On September 25 2012 10:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote:
I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...


This. K-Pop music is the definition of trendy nonsense, but it's catchy to the listeners. A lot of music falls into this category nowadays, but it's not necessarily bad. In fact, I prefer such type of music if I'm trying to party to it (well, not kpop, but music with really no meaning to it, but it just has a fun beat or something).

Gangnam Style is more so funny and amusing than it is catchy, which is why it's caught on to more mainstream. It's not for the quality of music itself.

Just imagine everybody hits the dancefloor and the latest Bob Dylan song's playing
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DarkerThanKuro
Profile Joined April 2012
United States61 Posts
September 25 2012 01:18 GMT
#143
J Pop still master race of music.

That being said, I knew that there was some kind of awesome, relevant meaning behind an otherwise nonsensical music video that Marines seem to love xD
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wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
September 25 2012 01:25 GMT
#144
Basically, has an awesome catchy beat.
grindC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany274 Posts
September 25 2012 01:26 GMT
#145
After hearing this song about 300 times, I'm starting to grow tired of it. Seriously, every street corner in Korea has this song blasting at full volume...
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
September 25 2012 01:27 GMT
#146
gangnam style = korean lmfao ... monotone catchy beat on a loop , stupid dance with group choreography,and goofing off in clip .My first tough was how the same recipes works all around the wrold .... in 6 month gangnam style will be and old hit that no one still plays
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
September 25 2012 01:27 GMT
#147
On September 25 2012 10:01 Gangnam Style wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:59 Crisco wrote:
Thing is, he doesn't autotune and his voice is quite fantastic compared to the majority of mainstream singers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmizNfPjolw

20 seconds in for the remainder of the song.


Damn, we are all getting trolled
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
September 25 2012 01:28 GMT
#148
grow up, if you listen any song a shit ton of times it will get boring no matter what and thats the true, you all fucked this up putting the song on every tournament/stream and it got too boring.
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
September 25 2012 01:30 GMT
#149
On September 25 2012 10:28 andReslic wrote:
grow up, if you listen any song a shit ton of times it will get boring no matter what and thats the true, you all fucked this up putting the song on every tournament/stream and it got too boring.



i still dont get tired of some pink floyd song after 15 years lol
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
September 25 2012 01:30 GMT
#150
to answer your question, it's shit.

refer to title of thread.
bahunto28
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada262 Posts
September 25 2012 01:31 GMT
#151
um yeah, it makes people laugh. therefore good. will it last, prob not. and to guy a few up, pink floyd has yet to get old for me either :D
meh
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 01:33 GMT
#152
On September 25 2012 10:30 Diminisherqc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 10:28 andReslic wrote:
grow up, if you listen any song a shit ton of times it will get boring no matter what and thats the true, you all fucked this up putting the song on every tournament/stream and it got too boring.



i still dont get tired of some pink floyd song after 15 years lol


That's because the tunes have been embedded and integrated into your neural networks and your mind can't do without the stimulus.

Drugs, man. It'll fuck you up.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:38:32
September 25 2012 01:34 GMT
#153
It's hilarious, catchy, and fun. So yeah it is great. It's like the Korean Sexy and I Know It.

Also the OP is hilarious psychoanalyzing the Elen crowd. Clearly, this MUST reflect their insecurities and it simply cannot be possible that they think it looks like fun and want to dance along! People dancing because it's fun...I mean really.
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iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
September 25 2012 01:36 GMT
#154
it's a good and catchy song. that's all there is to it. i don't understand why media and people on the internet over analyse something so simple.

and as for the haters of the song: tell us about the time u made a catchy song that had the world dancing and took over youtube.
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jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:42:07
September 25 2012 01:40 GMT
#155
its catchy ... but now its just ridiculous

its hit that point where if your mother know about it its too mainstream.
phathom321
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1730 Posts
September 25 2012 01:41 GMT
#156
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out.

If you read some of the earlier interviews he does, he actually wasn't trying to become some international superstar.
“Instead of saying ‘American takeover’, I’d prefer to be known as ‘that weird guy from Korea’,” he said, referring to coverage of ‘Gangnam Style’ in American news outlets such as CNN and the Los Angeles Times. “In fact, my mother told me that I should be more polite at times like these.”


http://www.allkpop.com/2012/08/psy-confesses-he-is-uncomfortable-over-growing-hype-for-gangnam-style
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robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
September 25 2012 01:43 GMT
#157
On September 25 2012 08:28 Zim23 wrote:
Your username is gangnam style.


^
? care to explain?
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MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
September 25 2012 01:46 GMT
#158
On September 25 2012 10:34 Haydin wrote:
It's hilarious, catchy, and fun. So yeah it is great. It's like the Korean Sexy and I Know It.

Also the OP is hilarious psychoanalyzing the Elen crowd. Clearly, this MUST reflect their insecurities and it simply cannot be possible that they think it looks like fun and want to dance along! People dancing because it's fun...I mean really.


LOL.

Are you some kind of naive shill for the cultural mafia? People don't dance for fun. People don't kill because they want to eliminate their targets.

There's always an ulterior motive. Don't be a government lackey. Watch the skies for UFOs and the flutter of that black flag.

There's like shit going on and you know nothing. I do.
1yzarc1
Profile Joined May 2012
England19 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:51:22
September 25 2012 01:51 GMT
#159
I liked it..., then it was played a million times at WCS EU and now i hate it
ailouros
Profile Joined August 2008
United States193 Posts
September 25 2012 01:53 GMT
#160
The production is pretty cool.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
September 25 2012 01:54 GMT
#161
The local radio station has been playing this for about a week now.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
September 25 2012 01:55 GMT
#162
I saw it when it very first started to get views and I loved the video. No one I knew had ever even heard of it. So the whole "people just like it to fit in" argument seems a little off to me. It's a great video, funny and catchy. Of course after you've seen and heard ANYTHING 100 times it becomes boring and overused, that's probably all that the OP boils down to.

All the personal shit the OP has about Psy himself is completely irrelevant. People like the video they don't really care much about the man.

I agree with 90% of the people on the first page: The OP is just overthinking a simple pop song.
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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
September 25 2012 01:56 GMT
#163
On September 25 2012 10:54 magnaflow wrote:
The local radio station has been playing this for about a week now.


I literally had to just freeze (figuratively of course) while i was driving when i heard this come on, a part of me was really happy that the internet and radio have really connected. But at the same time i had to ask myself WHY GANGNAM STYLE WHY.

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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 01:57:58
September 25 2012 01:57 GMT
#164
Every day I am astonished a Korean song has made it mainstream in the US.

It still brightens my day.

Also im astonished because when I watched the youtube video it only had like 10k views on it.
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FragRaptor
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 02:03:35
September 25 2012 02:03 GMT
#165
Simplicity sells. Pretty much all there is to say about it Eventually people will grow out of it but that's talking a century or two
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KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 02:07:15
September 25 2012 02:05 GMT
#166

I don't really listen to K-Pop, but I think this guy Psy is talented. He writes his own stuff and does his own choreography. And he isn't a one hit wonder, all his other videos I have seen to verify his legitness hold up. His music is good.
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Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
September 25 2012 02:05 GMT
#167
On September 25 2012 08:28 Excludos wrote:
cant it just be popular because its catchy, has a funny dance, and is just weird enough to actually be cool?


Word!
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 02:11:59
September 25 2012 02:08 GMT
#168
i personally loved the shit out of the video, its completely hilarious.

the dance and the electro beat probably helped a lot with the soon 300 million youtube hits.





its a good time for korean culture to swap to the western world with the olympic games coming their way.
RaspberrySC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States168 Posts
September 25 2012 02:10 GMT
#169
Never heard of this before clicking this thread.

I literally couldn't even finish watching/listening through this once.

I think it's shit.

Other people think it's amazing.

To each their own, I guess.
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Umami
Profile Joined March 2012
United States23 Posts
September 25 2012 02:12 GMT
#170
lol you know whats funny is that I only know about it because I play starcraft I don't know how people who don't play starcraft found out about it hahaha.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
September 25 2012 02:13 GMT
#171
If you can't tell that psy is awesome, you are not a good judge of music and culture.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 25 2012 02:18 GMT
#172
Psy is awesome and any suggestion that he may not be will be considered high treason.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 25 2012 02:18 GMT
#173
They played Gangnam Style at Georgia Tech's football game this weekend. I was surprised how many people knew the song and danced along.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
September 25 2012 02:23 GMT
#174
I'm happy about Ganganam Style being popular in the US. Soon I'll be able to listen to K-Pop without fear of discrimination.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
September 25 2012 02:23 GMT
#175
Remember Soulja boy? No.
Gangnam style is the flavor of the month. It'll be gone before you know it.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 25 2012 02:25 GMT
#176
You named yourself after the song, but you're making a thread complaining about how it's not that great? Is this some kind of weird troll?
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QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
September 25 2012 02:28 GMT
#177
Ofcause its terrible, If he went to Berklee I'm sure he would tell you the same
but atleast its funny not like the rest of the terrible terrible shit in top 10 now days
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#178
I think its mostly the dance thats so popular, its very easy to learn and fun to perform
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Ursad0n
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States523 Posts
September 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#179
On September 25 2012 08:28 Zim23 wrote:
Your username is gangnam style.

I peed a little reading this idk why
You make it sound like there's a correlation between what should happen and what actually happens. I mean, life is chaotic and it's often unfair. I know it is for me.
AnotherAngryBlogger
Profile Joined September 2012
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 02:40:25
September 25 2012 02:40 GMT
#180
Can we say... hipster?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 25 2012 02:44 GMT
#181
seems like this is really big so i listened to it. can't get past the 1 minute mark. loud caustic noises. can't tell it apart from any other 'song'
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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
September 25 2012 02:44 GMT
#182
On September 25 2012 11:32 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think its mostly the dance thats so popular, its very easy to learn and fun to perform

Now that I think of it, yeah. Take a look at "Party Rock Anthem" by LMFAO for example. The song itself is almost worthless without the dance and crazy looking hipsters.
MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 03:05:52
September 25 2012 03:05 GMT
#183
I mean I like k-pop and stuff but I can't really wrap around my head why its viral , in America of all places even....
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Sephiren
Profile Joined September 2012
United States85 Posts
September 25 2012 03:09 GMT
#184
I saw it on a stream that me and my sis were watching many months ago before anyone knew what it was. I liked it then, I like it know. At least for me, it had nothing to do with popularity or social conformity. In fact, I showed it to a bunch of people. Some liked it, some loved it, some were like... WTF you like this?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44250 Posts
September 25 2012 03:14 GMT
#185
I've seen stereotypical rich, snobby, tight-ass parents at my country club doing this dance and having fun with it.

That's all I need to be convinced that it's that good.
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Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
September 25 2012 03:14 GMT
#186
A few weeks ago I showed the youtube video to my wife. I told her then that this was going to be the next "Macarana".

I didn't realize just how mainstream this video/song had become until a couple nights ago. At our local Outback Steakhouse, there was a group of 30-somethings sitting at the bar and watching Gangam Style on their smartphone...

Also, he dropped out of Berkley lol. He said in a People Magazine interview that the classes were to early and he liked to drink to much haha.
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1handsomE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States199 Posts
September 25 2012 03:15 GMT
#187
Yes it is that good.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
September 25 2012 03:18 GMT
#188
On September 25 2012 11:23 Mykill wrote:
Remember Soulja boy? No.
Gangnam style is the flavor of the month. It'll be gone before you know it.


Youuuuuuuu!

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Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
September 25 2012 03:22 GMT
#189
I don't know of any pop music that I actually like, and this song is no exception. I find it annoying and I mute anything that plays it. Sadly it seems that every event worth watching is spamming this horrible creation whenever it can, which is very annoying for me personally. It is also something that seems forced. I wish events would play wordless music and let the viewers put on whatever music they want. If people want to listen to gangnam style there are tons of youtube videos for that.
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Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
September 25 2012 03:27 GMT
#190
Short answer:
Yes, it really is just that good.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
September 25 2012 03:29 GMT
#191
Not in a hipster way, but I liked it more when it appeared to me to be a song contained within the SC2 scene. I liked that we had a silly song with MC dancing to it and the likes. When it became clear it was a genuinely huge thing outside this little enclave it really killed what jokey appeal it had for me. I'm not a big K-pop fan either, I don't really get the difference between it and the pop music of my youth that most of us derided at the time!

For a point of reference I guess, I'd look at memes and image macros. For me this kind of stuff can be hilarious, but when it gets to a point that people start using them/creating them without having the knowledge of the context, it just ruins it for me.
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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
September 25 2012 03:31 GMT
#192
why is this even a thread? why cant you discuss it in the korean music thread?
Maruprime.
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
September 25 2012 03:38 GMT
#193
On September 25 2012 12:31 Corrosive wrote:
why is this even a thread? why cant you discuss it in the korean music thread?


Given what is contained in the OP I think it would be very hard to have the meaningful discussion in a thread like that. The content would be drowned out and never seen again after a few pages of being buried. Gangnam style is also the only KPOP song that I know of to be widely received outside of Korea. I think it warrants its own topic even though I hate this song and wish I could take it out back, burn it, and never hear it again.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 03:41:13
September 25 2012 03:41 GMT
#194
On September 25 2012 11:44 oneofthem wrote:
seems like this is really big so i listened to it. can't get past the 1 minute mark. loud caustic noises. can't tell it apart from any other 'song'


it's the music video and dance that makes the song

easy to notice stuff like "OHHHHH SEXY LADY" and " OP OP OP OPPA GANGNAME STYLE" helps though
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blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
September 25 2012 03:50 GMT
#195
op probably loved gangnam style at first but then went full hipster mode when the whole world started loving it.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 03:55:22
September 25 2012 03:50 GMT
#196
You call it selling out, I call it creating. (Doesn't mean everyone has to like it forever. Besides, what did You do recently besides trying to bring something down? :p)

You call it conforming, I call it enjoying. (Enjoying the song/dance/video together every now and then is fun, u mad? )

If it gets too much, you can draw attention away from it, or simply ignore it when it comes up. Shouldn't affect your popularity, I don't think. And. Lastly, don't worry too much about everyone else and their "motives" for liking or appearing to like this song.
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
September 25 2012 03:53 GMT
#197
Gangnam Style...

CATCHY, and brilliant.

I personally find it very funny and I love the dance.
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Chalaza
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 03:55:07
September 25 2012 03:53 GMT
#198
ugh, ellen, cant you at least pronounce the name of the song correctly? i have basically come to hate it, its definatly one of the most over hyped songs ive ever heard, and why? half the people listening to it have no clue what gangnam is, my brother thought it meant cowboy style ffs -_- . the more i listen to it the more i want to boycott it and listen to other kpop music.

EDIT: dont get me wrong, i liked the song the first 5 times i heard it, not the next 50 times though.
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MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
September 25 2012 03:53 GMT
#199
On September 25 2012 12:41 udgnim wrote:
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On September 25 2012 11:44 oneofthem wrote:
seems like this is really big so i listened to it. can't get past the 1 minute mark. loud caustic noises. can't tell it apart from any other 'song'


it's the music video and dance that makes the song

easy to notice stuff like "OHHHHH SEXY LADY" and " OP OP OP OPPA GANGNAME STYLE" helps though


I am still a fan of the awkwardness of Shindong from Super Junior

CO COO COOO COOOMMBBBOOO BBBRREEAAAAKKKKKKERRRRR
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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
September 25 2012 03:55 GMT
#200
On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote:
I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...


You haven't listened enough.
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Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
September 25 2012 03:56 GMT
#201
The song is pretty catchy, but its really the video that makes it amazing. Just hilarious, in my opinion.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 25 2012 03:57 GMT
#202
Some of my Koreans friends told me that even they don't know how this song is popular outside of Korea, lol. I think its the dance and the humor as well as some catchy verse from the song that made it popular.
People only looks into its meaning after it gets like really popular.
Terran
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
September 25 2012 04:02 GMT
#203
I find it honestly amazing how they things go viral and suddenly get so popular that they are getting mentioned everywhere and people you would never expect to know or hear about suddenly know what it is. Truly the age of the social media where things have the potential to immediately blow up and exponentially grow.
-Jacob-
Profile Joined November 2010
358 Posts
September 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#204
Its catchy and simple to dance too. Its upbeat what is there not to like about it?
Rawr
TehPrime
Profile Joined February 2012
United States180 Posts
September 25 2012 04:06 GMT
#205
It's the beat and the music video.
Rube_Juice
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada348 Posts
September 25 2012 04:09 GMT
#206
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
September 25 2012 04:16 GMT
#207
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote:
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.

The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
September 25 2012 04:16 GMT
#208
Holy shit 11 pages on this thread? wtf...

I mean if this was about how did this song get popular so quickly (had about 2mil hits in less than a hour or two) then sure. But OP is just being WAYYYYY too analytic.
Video is funny. Beat is catchy. So what?

"...dress classy, dance cheesy."
- Psy
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Picklebread
Profile Joined June 2011
808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:18:59
September 25 2012 04:18 GMT
#209
On September 25 2012 13:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote:
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.

The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly

This is why i dont like pumped up kicks by Foster the People. Everywhere i went, on EVERY radio station, it was playing all the time. Im really happy for their success but i personally cant enjoy songs after the 700th time.
Trollandknights
Profile Joined February 2012
United States68 Posts
September 25 2012 04:21 GMT
#210
You wanna discuss if this song is good when we have "Friday"? Their are far worst songs in the world then this.
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
September 25 2012 04:24 GMT
#211
honestly this song represents more than the lyrical meanings or anything

Tt shows how fast things can spread in our media age, i know it's not a new thing and it SHOULDN'T be surprising but holy shit this song/video really exploded overnight and still amazes me how fast it went up.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:26:58
September 25 2012 04:25 GMT
#212
On September 25 2012 13:18 Picklebread wrote:
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On September 25 2012 13:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote:
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.

The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly

This is why i dont like pumped up kicks by Foster the People. Everywhere i went, on EVERY radio station, it was playing all the time. Im really happy for their success but i personally cant enjoy songs after the 700th time.

meh didn't like that song too much.

on topic:
the funny thing is that he is probably the most "successful" family member. All of his other siblings are known to be quite intelligent (doctors, degree holders etc...) but he, before this video, was an outcast (the stereotypical party-goer failure who leeched off of family's wealth). Look at him now. The modern society today knows his name and art. I personally find this quite ironic.

But seriously how did this video get viral so quickly. I mean koreans would be the first ones to watch it... I find it hard to believe that he adapting the music to the pop style is what made it so good. I feel like his advertising members did a damn good job.

edit:

On September 25 2012 13:24 GreyKnight wrote:
honestly this song represents more than the lyrical meanings or anything

Tt shows how fast things can spread in our media age, i know it's not a new thing and it SHOULDN'T be surprising but holy shit this song/video really exploded overnight and still amazes me how fast it went up.

This.
I remember this song had about 13mil? in two days it went up to 25. I check a week later and its up 100mil. FYI if you video view count exceeds 100million then google sends you a check of 100k dollars
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:28:12
September 25 2012 04:25 GMT
#213
--------didnt mean to double post. Refer above -----------
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Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:27:52
September 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#214
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YnGM-kl1Q8

I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:
Show nested quote +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IbzN8M5z7E

Discuss.

Edit: Someone posted this article, thought it was worth reposting...
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Park Jaesang is an unlikely poster boy for South Korea's youth-obsessed, highly lucrative, and famously vacuous pop music. Park, who performs as Psy (short for psycho), is a relatively ancient 34, has been busted for marijuana and for avoiding the country's mandatory military service, and is not particularly good-looking. His first album got him fined for "inappropriate content" and the second was banned. He's mainstream in the way that South Korea's monolithically corporate media demands of its stars, who typically appear regularly on TV variety and even game shows, but as a harlequin, a performer known for his parodies, outrageous costumes, and jokey concerts. Still, there's a long history of fools and court jesters as society's most cutting social critics, and he might be one of them.

Now, Park has succeeded where the K-Pop entertainment-industrial-complex and its superstars have failed so many times before: he's made it in America. The opening track on his sixth album, "Gangnam Style" (watch it at right), has earned 49 million hits on YouTube since its mid-July release, but the viral spread was just the start.

The American rapper T-Pain was retweeted 2,400 times when he wrote "Words cannot even describe how amazing this video is." Pop stars expressed admiration. Billboard is extolling his commercial viability; Justin Bieber's manager is allegedly interested. The Wall Street Journal posted "5 Must-See" response videos. On Monday, a worker at L.A.'s Dodger stadium noticed Park in the stands and played "Gangnam Style" over the stadium P.A. system as excited baseball fans spontaneously reproduced Park's distinct dance in the video. "I have to admit I've watched it about 15 times," said a CNN anchor. "Of course, no one here in the U.S. has any idea what Psy is rapping about."

I certainly didn't, beyond the basics: Gangnam is a tony Seoul neighborhood, and Park's "Gangnam Style" video lampoons its self-importance and ostentatious wealth, with Psy playing a clownish caricature of a Gangnam man. That alone makes it practically operatic compared to most K-Pop. But I spoke with two regular observers of Korean culture to find out what I was missing, and it turns out that the video is rich with subtle references that, along with the song itself, suggest a subtext with a surprisingly subversive message about class and wealth in contemporary South Korean society. That message would be awfully mild by American standards -- this is no "Born in the U.S.A." -- but South Korea is a very different place, and it's a big deal that even this gentle social satire is breaking records on Korean pop charts long dominated by cotton candy.

"Korea has not had a long history of nuanced satire," Adrian Hong, a Korean-American consultant whose wide travels make him an oft-quoted observer of Korean issues, said of South Korea's pop culture. "In fact, when you asked me about the satire element, I was super skeptical. I don't expect much from K-Pop to begin with, so the first 50 times I heard this, I was just like, 'Allright, whatever.' I sat down to look at it and thought, 'Actually, there's some nuance here.'"

One of the first things Hong pointed to in explaining the video's subtext was, believe it or not, South Korea's sky-high credit card debt rate. In 2010, the average household carried credit card debt worth a staggering 155 percent of their disposable income (for comparison, the U.S. average just before the sub-prime crisis was 138 percent). There are nearly five credit cards for every adult. South Koreans have been living on credit since the mid-1990s, first because their country's amazing growth made borrowing seem safe, and then in the late 1990s when the government encouraged private spending to climb out of the Asian financial crisis. The emphasis on heavy spending, coupled with the country's truly astounding, two-generation growth from agrarian poverty to economic powerhouse, have engendered the country with an emphasis on hard work and on aspirationalism, as well as the materialism that can sometimes follow.

Gangnam, Hong said, is a symbol of that aspect of South Korean culture. The neighborhood is the home of some of South Korea's biggest brands, as well as $84 billion of its wealth, as of 2010. That's seven percent of the entire country's GDP in an area of just 15 square miles. A place of the most conspicuous consumption, you might call it the embodiment of South Korea's one percent. "The neighborhood in Gangnam is not just a nice town or nice neighborhood. The kids that he's talking about are not Silicon Valley self-made millionaires. They're overwhelmingly trust-fund babies and princelings," he explained.

This skewering of the Gangnam life can be easy to miss for non-Korean. Psy boasts that he's a real man who drinks a whole cup of coffee in one gulp, for example, insisting he wants a women who drinks coffee. "I think some of you may be wondering why he's making such a big deal out of coffee, but it's not your ordinary coffee," U.S.-based Korean blogger Jea Kim wrote at her site, My Dear Korea. (Her English-subtitled translation of the video is at right.) "In Korea, there's a joke poking fun at women who eat 2,000-won (about $2) ramen for lunch and then spend 6,000 won on Starbucks coffee." They're called Doenjangnyeo, or "soybean paste women" for their propensity to crimp on essentials so they can over-spend on conspicuous luxuries, of which coffee is, believe it or not, one of the most common. "The number of coffee shops has gone up tremendously, particularly in Gangnam," Hong said. "Coffee shops have become the place where people go to be seen and spend ridiculous amounts of money."

The video is "a satire about Gangnam itself but also it's about how people outside Gangnam pursue their dream to be one of those Gangnam residents without even realizing what it really means," Kim explained to me when I got in touch with her. Koreans "really wanted to be one of them," but she says that feeling is changing, and "Gangnam Style" captures people's ambivalence.

"Koreans have been kind of caught up in this spending to look wealthy, and Gangnam has really been the leading edge of that," Hong said. "I think a lot of what [Psy] is pointing out is how silly that is. The whole video is about him thinking he's a hotshot but then realizing he's just, you know, at a children's playground, or thinking he's playing polo or something and realizes he's on a merry-go-round."

"Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic."

Psy hits all the symbols of Gangnam opulence, but each turns out to be something much more modest, as if suggesting that Gangnam-style wealth is not as fabulous as it might seem. We think he's at a beach in the opening shot, but it turns out to be a sandy playground. He visits a sauna not with big-shot businessmen but with mobsters, Kim points out, and dances not in a nightclub but on a bus of middle-aged tourists. He meets his love interest in the subway. Kim thinks that Psy's strut though a parking garage, two models at his side as trash and snow fly at them, is meant as a nod to the common rap-video trope of the star walking down a red carpet covered in confetti. "I think he's pointing out the ridiculousness of the materialism," Hong said.

(If you're wondering about the bizarre episodes in the elevator and with the red sports car, as I was, it turns out that those are probably just excuses for a couple of cameos by TV personalities, which is apparently common in South Korean music videos.)

None of this commentary is particularly overt, which is actually what could make "Gangnam Style" so subversive. Social commentary is just not really done in mainstream Korean pop music, Hong explained. "The most they'll do is poke fun at themselves a little bit. It's really been limited." But Psy "is really mainstreaming it, and he's doing it in a way that maybe not everybody quite realizes." Park Jaesang isn't just unusual because of his age, appearance, and style; he writes his own songs and choreographs his own videos, which is unheard of in K-Pop. But it's more than that. Maybe not coincidentally, he attended both Boston University and the Berklee College of Music, graduating from the latter. His exposure to American music's penchant for social commentary, and the time spent abroad that may have given him a new perspective on his home country, could inform his apparently somewhat critical take on South Korean society.

Of course, it's just a music video, and a silly one at that. Does it really have to be about anything more complicated? "If I hadn't seen that behind-the-scenes, I would have said he's just poking fun at himself," Hong said of the official making-of video, which is embedded at right. It's mostly of Park or Psy having fun on set, but at one point he pauses in filming. "Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic. Each frame by frame was hollow," he sighs, apparently deadly serious. It's a jarring moment to see the musician drop his clownish demeanor and reveal the darker feelings behind this lighthearted-seeming song. Although, Hong noted, "hollow" doesn't capture it: "It's a word that's a mixture or shallow or hollow or vain," he explained.

Kim seemed to feel the same way about the video, though it's so cheery on the surface. "He was satirizing more than just this one neighborhood," she told me. On her blog, she suggested the video portrayed the Gangnam area, a symbol of South Korea's national aspirations for prosperity and status, as "nothing but materialistic and about people who are chasing rainbows." Pretty heavy for a viral pop hit.

"I think it all ties back to the same thing: the pursuit of materialism, the pursuit of form over function," Hong said. "Koreans made extraordinary gains as a country, in terms of GDP and everything else, but that growth has not been equitable. I think the young people are finally realizing that. There's a genuine backlash. ... You're seeing a huge amount of resentment from youth about their economic circumstances." Even if Psy wasn't specifically nodding to this when he wrote the song and shot the video, it's part of the contemporary South Korean society that he inhabits. "The context is all of these tensions going on where Koreans are realizing where they're at, how they got there, what they need to do to move forward."

It's difficult to imagine that much of this could be apparent to non-Koreans, which Kim told me is why she decided to write it up on her blog. "I thought people outside Korea might take it just as another funny music video. So I wanted to explain what's behind [it] and the song." Still, is it possible that the video could have caught on for reasons beyond just its admittedly catchy beat and hilarious visuals? After all, Korean pop really does not seem to typically do well in the U.S., and this has gotten enormous. "It's kind of the first genuine pop-culture crossover from Korea," Hong said, noting it's "more in the American style." Maybe it's possible that, even if the specific nods to the quirks of this Seoul neighborhood couldn't possibly cross over, and even if the lyrics are nonsense to non-Korean speakers, there's something about obviously skewering the ostentatiously rich that just might resonate in today's America.

Whatever the case, Koreans seem to be proud of their first big musical export to the U.S., Hong said, noting that the Korean media has meticulously covered the video's tremendous reception here. "Koreans are definitely talking about it and pointing to it as a source of national pride." Maybe there's something relatable about Gangnam style.


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Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
September 25 2012 04:27 GMT
#215
Its fun and entertaining, leave it at that! Psy is reaping the success he deserves, its a catchy and awesome dance song.
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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
September 25 2012 04:29 GMT
#216
On September 25 2012 08:27 KimJongChill wrote:
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On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote:
The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.


yeah I read something about that..it's like a criticism of Korean consumerist culture. The song itself isn't so great, it actually sounds a lot like some lmfao song or something, which at least explains its Western popularity~


here you go guys :

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/gangnam-style-dissected-the-subversive-message-within-south-koreas-music-video-sensation/261462/

i've discussed that with several korean people here and they all said that it was a little bit far fetched
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kef
Profile Joined September 2010
283 Posts
September 25 2012 04:31 GMT
#217
It's catchy, the video is hilarious, and the chicks are hot. Those are 3 perfectly good reasons to like a song, even if they're everyone else's reason. Is it so bad to like a song that other people like?
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SmokeMonster
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada72 Posts
September 25 2012 04:34 GMT
#218
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:


Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:41:42
September 25 2012 04:36 GMT
#219
Honestly, I think it sounds like any other vacuous Kpop.

I didn't even know about the existence of this song until I looked it up a few weeks ago myself. I have only ever encountered references to its popularity on the internet and have yet to hear it playing anywhere in public or see anyone dancing to it. Either the song's not as popular as people are making it out to be, or I just live in a black hole where nothing of popular culture reaches my ears. (Probably the latter, I suspect, but I am on a college campus?)

EDIT: For reference, the first time I actually heard the song was when I caught Ganzi dancing to it on-stream when the Koreans were stuck in the US due to the weather.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
September 25 2012 04:36 GMT
#220
On September 25 2012 13:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:


Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.

Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!
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Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
September 25 2012 04:39 GMT
#221
On September 25 2012 12:55 shin_toss wrote:
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On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote:
I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...


You haven't listened enough.


Really? I was always under the impression that it was watched for the women since that is the closest thing to porn Korean women can participate in.
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jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
September 25 2012 04:40 GMT
#222
i created the wikipedia page after seeing it on GSL. you're all welcome to queue for my autograph.
SmokeMonster
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada72 Posts
September 25 2012 04:41 GMT
#223
On September 25 2012 13:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:


Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.

Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!


Which means everybody in the history of mankind started smoking because of peer pressure?
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 25 2012 04:44 GMT
#224
Yeah I instantly realized who the poster was >__>;; nice one.

I think analysis would be a waste of time. If we could truly deconstruct the basis of every hit (and not just with generic blanket statements such as "catchy" and "prone to popularity" whatnot), then there would be hit after hit.
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
September 25 2012 04:49 GMT
#225
What a worthless thread.

It's catchy, its popular because it went viral (thanks to the video). It was also in the right place at the right time (korean culture getting more and more accepted in the West.

Pretty easy to understand actually, and no it is not overrated. If people called it a masterpiece, sure, but they aren't. It's a catchy pop song with a great dance and funny video, and that's all anyone really says about it. Popular does not mean overrated.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
September 25 2012 04:50 GMT
#226
On September 25 2012 13:41 SmokeMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote:
I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.

It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:


Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.

Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!


Which means everybody in the history of mankind started smoking because of peer pressure?

He raised an interesting OP, wondering why this was the big crossover hit, when there's a lot of other K-pop of similar style out there. Don't see why that discussion can't be continued without making suchcomments at the OP.

An example, people over here especially in my workplace, the only topic of conversation, especially on a Monday is football. If you're not privvy to this, you don't get as much in the way of social interaction as if you would otherwise. Hence there are a lot more 'fans' of football, and it's only upon deeper convos that you can differentiate people who actually like it, from those who put forth a pretense. I'd imagine it's this kind of thing the OP has in mind, and it's worth talking about as a possibility!

Also gives me an excuse to link to this, always amuses me
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BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
September 25 2012 04:57 GMT
#227
*looks at name*
*looks at thread*
*looks back at name*

Idk what to think
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drwiggl3s
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada167 Posts
September 25 2012 04:59 GMT
#228
I have an aunt who teaches english in SK and she said the song is to do with making fun of rich superficial new yorkers..? something along those lines. Either way I can't stand the song.. never could bare to listen to the entire thing but then again I'm someone that really doesn't enjoy kpop in the first place.
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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 25 2012 05:01 GMT
#229
On September 25 2012 13:57 BreakfastBurrito wrote:
*looks at name*
*looks at thread*
*looks back at name*

Idk what to think


You shouldn't think. Then you might do something like this guy. Create an account name and make a thread about account name. And in that thread you attempt to bash whatever you based your account name off of.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
September 25 2012 05:02 GMT
#230
I respect this song 100% because it doesn't have any fucking autotune. The song itself isn't too bad but the video is what makes this song so great lol. His crazy fucking dance when he goes left to right looks dumb as hell but it's so funny XD
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25075 Posts
September 25 2012 05:06 GMT
#231
On September 25 2012 14:02 Sephy90 wrote:
I respect this song 100% because it doesn't have any fucking autotune. The song itself isn't too bad but the video is what makes this song so great lol. His crazy fucking dance when he goes left to right looks dumb as hell but it's so funny XD

True, that effect is close to unbearable when it's used in the over-the-top manner it is nowadays. The one thing in music I just cannot understand how people tolerate it
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
September 25 2012 05:09 GMT
#232
Seeing all the other shit that is popular these days, I'll be happy to take this over most anything else. Seriously, the most viewed video on youtube is the music video of "baby" by Justin Bieber. I would not be mad in the slightest if gangnam style passed it

The singer is just silly and awesome; his goofy music video and the absurd dance are what make the song so great. Also, I like songs in languages that I don't understand haha
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 25 2012 05:12 GMT
#233
I'm just impressed. I haven't heard a fully foreign song on any US radio stations, and then Gangnam Style comes out of nowhere and takes the radios by storm. Mad props to PSY.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
September 25 2012 05:19 GMT
#234
This thread - is it even any good?

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