I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.
It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:
Discuss.
Edit: Someone posted this article, thought it was worth reposting...
Park Jaesang is an unlikely poster boy for South Korea's youth-obsessed, highly lucrative, and famously vacuous pop music. Park, who performs as Psy (short for psycho), is a relatively ancient 34, has been busted for marijuana and for avoiding the country's mandatory military service, and is not particularly good-looking. His first album got him fined for "inappropriate content" and the second was banned. He's mainstream in the way that South Korea's monolithically corporate media demands of its stars, who typically appear regularly on TV variety and even game shows, but as a harlequin, a performer known for his parodies, outrageous costumes, and jokey concerts. Still, there's a long history of fools and court jesters as society's most cutting social critics, and he might be one of them.
Now, Park has succeeded where the K-Pop entertainment-industrial-complex and its superstars have failed so many times before: he's made it in America. The opening track on his sixth album, "Gangnam Style" (watch it at right), has earned 49 million hits on YouTube since its mid-July release, but the viral spread was just the start.
The American rapper T-Pain was retweeted 2,400 times when he wrote "Words cannot even describe how amazing this video is." Pop stars expressed admiration. Billboard is extolling his commercial viability; Justin Bieber's manager is allegedly interested. The Wall Street Journal posted "5 Must-See" response videos. On Monday, a worker at L.A.'s Dodger stadium noticed Park in the stands and played "Gangnam Style" over the stadium P.A. system as excited baseball fans spontaneously reproduced Park's distinct dance in the video. "I have to admit I've watched it about 15 times," said a CNN anchor. "Of course, no one here in the U.S. has any idea what Psy is rapping about."
I certainly didn't, beyond the basics: Gangnam is a tony Seoul neighborhood, and Park's "Gangnam Style" video lampoons its self-importance and ostentatious wealth, with Psy playing a clownish caricature of a Gangnam man. That alone makes it practically operatic compared to most K-Pop. But I spoke with two regular observers of Korean culture to find out what I was missing, and it turns out that the video is rich with subtle references that, along with the song itself, suggest a subtext with a surprisingly subversive message about class and wealth in contemporary South Korean society. That message would be awfully mild by American standards -- this is no "Born in the U.S.A." -- but South Korea is a very different place, and it's a big deal that even this gentle social satire is breaking records on Korean pop charts long dominated by cotton candy.
"Korea has not had a long history of nuanced satire," Adrian Hong, a Korean-American consultant whose wide travels make him an oft-quoted observer of Korean issues, said of South Korea's pop culture. "In fact, when you asked me about the satire element, I was super skeptical. I don't expect much from K-Pop to begin with, so the first 50 times I heard this, I was just like, 'Allright, whatever.' I sat down to look at it and thought, 'Actually, there's some nuance here.'"
One of the first things Hong pointed to in explaining the video's subtext was, believe it or not, South Korea's sky-high credit card debt rate. In 2010, the average household carried credit card debt worth a staggering 155 percent of their disposable income (for comparison, the U.S. average just before the sub-prime crisis was 138 percent). There are nearly five credit cards for every adult. South Koreans have been living on credit since the mid-1990s, first because their country's amazing growth made borrowing seem safe, and then in the late 1990s when the government encouraged private spending to climb out of the Asian financial crisis. The emphasis on heavy spending, coupled with the country's truly astounding, two-generation growth from agrarian poverty to economic powerhouse, have engendered the country with an emphasis on hard work and on aspirationalism, as well as the materialism that can sometimes follow.
Gangnam, Hong said, is a symbol of that aspect of South Korean culture. The neighborhood is the home of some of South Korea's biggest brands, as well as $84 billion of its wealth, as of 2010. That's seven percent of the entire country's GDP in an area of just 15 square miles. A place of the most conspicuous consumption, you might call it the embodiment of South Korea's one percent. "The neighborhood in Gangnam is not just a nice town or nice neighborhood. The kids that he's talking about are not Silicon Valley self-made millionaires. They're overwhelmingly trust-fund babies and princelings," he explained.
This skewering of the Gangnam life can be easy to miss for non-Korean. Psy boasts that he's a real man who drinks a whole cup of coffee in one gulp, for example, insisting he wants a women who drinks coffee. "I think some of you may be wondering why he's making such a big deal out of coffee, but it's not your ordinary coffee," U.S.-based Korean blogger Jea Kim wrote at her site, My Dear Korea. (Her English-subtitled translation of the video is at right.) "In Korea, there's a joke poking fun at women who eat 2,000-won (about $2) ramen for lunch and then spend 6,000 won on Starbucks coffee." They're called Doenjangnyeo, or "soybean paste women" for their propensity to crimp on essentials so they can over-spend on conspicuous luxuries, of which coffee is, believe it or not, one of the most common. "The number of coffee shops has gone up tremendously, particularly in Gangnam," Hong said. "Coffee shops have become the place where people go to be seen and spend ridiculous amounts of money."
The video is "a satire about Gangnam itself but also it's about how people outside Gangnam pursue their dream to be one of those Gangnam residents without even realizing what it really means," Kim explained to me when I got in touch with her. Koreans "really wanted to be one of them," but she says that feeling is changing, and "Gangnam Style" captures people's ambivalence.
"Koreans have been kind of caught up in this spending to look wealthy, and Gangnam has really been the leading edge of that," Hong said. "I think a lot of what [Psy] is pointing out is how silly that is. The whole video is about him thinking he's a hotshot but then realizing he's just, you know, at a children's playground, or thinking he's playing polo or something and realizes he's on a merry-go-round."
"Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic."
Psy hits all the symbols of Gangnam opulence, but each turns out to be something much more modest, as if suggesting that Gangnam-style wealth is not as fabulous as it might seem. We think he's at a beach in the opening shot, but it turns out to be a sandy playground. He visits a sauna not with big-shot businessmen but with mobsters, Kim points out, and dances not in a nightclub but on a bus of middle-aged tourists. He meets his love interest in the subway. Kim thinks that Psy's strut though a parking garage, two models at his side as trash and snow fly at them, is meant as a nod to the common rap-video trope of the star walking down a red carpet covered in confetti. "I think he's pointing out the ridiculousness of the materialism," Hong said.
(If you're wondering about the bizarre episodes in the elevator and with the red sports car, as I was, it turns out that those are probably just excuses for a couple of cameos by TV personalities, which is apparently common in South Korean music videos.)
None of this commentary is particularly overt, which is actually what could make "Gangnam Style" so subversive. Social commentary is just not really done in mainstream Korean pop music, Hong explained. "The most they'll do is poke fun at themselves a little bit. It's really been limited." But Psy "is really mainstreaming it, and he's doing it in a way that maybe not everybody quite realizes." Park Jaesang isn't just unusual because of his age, appearance, and style; he writes his own songs and choreographs his own videos, which is unheard of in K-Pop. But it's more than that. Maybe not coincidentally, he attended both Boston University and the Berklee College of Music, graduating from the latter. His exposure to American music's penchant for social commentary, and the time spent abroad that may have given him a new perspective on his home country, could inform his apparently somewhat critical take on South Korean society.
Of course, it's just a music video, and a silly one at that. Does it really have to be about anything more complicated? "If I hadn't seen that behind-the-scenes, I would have said he's just poking fun at himself," Hong said of the official making-of video, which is embedded at right. It's mostly of Park or Psy having fun on set, but at one point he pauses in filming. "Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic. Each frame by frame was hollow," he sighs, apparently deadly serious. It's a jarring moment to see the musician drop his clownish demeanor and reveal the darker feelings behind this lighthearted-seeming song. Although, Hong noted, "hollow" doesn't capture it: "It's a word that's a mixture or shallow or hollow or vain," he explained.
Kim seemed to feel the same way about the video, though it's so cheery on the surface. "He was satirizing more than just this one neighborhood," she told me. On her blog, she suggested the video portrayed the Gangnam area, a symbol of South Korea's national aspirations for prosperity and status, as "nothing but materialistic and about people who are chasing rainbows." Pretty heavy for a viral pop hit.
"I think it all ties back to the same thing: the pursuit of materialism, the pursuit of form over function," Hong said. "Koreans made extraordinary gains as a country, in terms of GDP and everything else, but that growth has not been equitable. I think the young people are finally realizing that. There's a genuine backlash. ... You're seeing a huge amount of resentment from youth about their economic circumstances." Even if Psy wasn't specifically nodding to this when he wrote the song and shot the video, it's part of the contemporary South Korean society that he inhabits. "The context is all of these tensions going on where Koreans are realizing where they're at, how they got there, what they need to do to move forward."
It's difficult to imagine that much of this could be apparent to non-Koreans, which Kim told me is why she decided to write it up on her blog. "I thought people outside Korea might take it just as another funny music video. So I wanted to explain what's behind [it] and the song." Still, is it possible that the video could have caught on for reasons beyond just its admittedly catchy beat and hilarious visuals? After all, Korean pop really does not seem to typically do well in the U.S., and this has gotten enormous. "It's kind of the first genuine pop-culture crossover from Korea," Hong said, noting it's "more in the American style." Maybe it's possible that, even if the specific nods to the quirks of this Seoul neighborhood couldn't possibly cross over, and even if the lyrics are nonsense to non-Korean speakers, there's something about obviously skewering the ostentatiously rich that just might resonate in today's America.
Whatever the case, Koreans seem to be proud of their first big musical export to the U.S., Hong said, noting that the Korean media has meticulously covered the video's tremendous reception here. "Koreans are definitely talking about it and pointing to it as a source of national pride." Maybe there's something relatable about Gangnam style.
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote: The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.
yeah I read something about that..it's like a criticism of Korean consumerist culture. The song itself isn't so great, it actually sounds a lot like some lmfao song or something, which at least explains its Western popularity~
On September 25 2012 08:28 Excludos wrote: cant it just be popular because its catchy, has a funny dance, and is just weird enough to actually be cool?
This.
I don't know about you guys, but if I'm somewhere where someone plays this song for whatever reason, I have no problem dancing to it :D
You do realize all you're doing is trying to look cool by dissing something popular, since that helps you feel good about yourself and fit in socially? Noone expects pop music, especially viral pop music, to be deep meaningful and long-lasting. It's just a silly song people find fun.
So? It's the same thing with everything else. Is this just different because we play starcraft which is a game dominated by korean players and this song is kpop? You're completely right about people liking things just to be popular so just like what you like and don't care about anyone else. There really isn't anything you can do about it and why would you want to if you could? EDIT :
its all rooted to the funny "meme-like" horse dance that psy does during his music video. People love it and the music is actually quite catchy "opa gangnam style! heeeeeey sexy lady" the dance is only ackward if you cant dance like most people (in the ellen show) probably dont know what they are doing.
I like Gangnam Style a lot. I don't like the song itself, but I like that it's creative and iconic. There's nothing better than beating your friend at a hand of poker, and then doing Gangnam Style dance to rub it in his face.
i think the problem is that us team liquider's were at the start of the bandwagon and have heard it probably a thousand times now. its overplayed to us.
I actually hate this song. My wife is Korean and she played it like at least 5 times recently in my apartment. Ok it was amusing the first time, but after the fifth time I want to CHOKE A BITCH!
But the lyrics, man. And his career is full of great pop songs that don't try to mimic anything more than any other k-pop song would. And I'd like to see if you can became a pop star with his looks. And... and...
And you're so full of mad just because it became popular it doesn't mean it sucks; if it didn't get popular you wouldn't be saying such things. I think you're just mad because you have the hear the "op.op.op.oppa gangnam style" line everywhere, which I admit can get annoying, but that's no reason to attack Psy's works. Psy has done many songs like this one in the past and I've never seen you making a bash-review of them. If you dislike it then you probably dislike all pop music in which case you shouldn't make a thread titled "gangnam style - is it even that good?" but instead titled "pop music - is it even that good?".
Personally the first time I saw the video was during a commercial break for GSL code a qualifiers and thought it was the best k-pop video I had seen in a while. Can you point out a different music video (korean or not) that you think deserves more hype from the general population? If not then isn't you opinion rather more about pop culture in general and not about gangnam style in particular?
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote: The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.
On September 25 2012 08:33 Silentness wrote: I actually hate this song. My wife is Korean and she played it like at least 5 times recently in my apartment. Ok it was amusing the first time, but after the fifth time I want to CHOKE A BITCH!
1. Gangnam Style is a great song 2. Last time that I checked, no one in my house is dancing to it, none of the popular kids in my school even know about it 3. He made the music video for fun dude, just let it be! He is just doing his job by making songs
I completely disagree. I don't like any K-Pop songs I've heard so far with the sole exception of gee and gangnam style. I really dig gangnam style's tune and the video is just hilarious ^^ Also, Psy gets bonus points for not trying to be cool (unlike pretty much every other "artist") and making fun of himself.
On September 25 2012 08:37 Cowman wrote: 1. Gangnam Style is a great song 2. Last time that I checked, no one in my house is dancing to it, none of the popular kids in my school even know about it 3. He made the music video for fun dude, just let it be! He is just doing his job by making songs
More than just for fun, apparently. And in a good way.
A song doesn't reach most popular in the world because of "selling out" and people (like me) don't listen to a song and watch the music video 20+ times to be "accepted". Not all of us are that lonely, sorry to tell you.
Psy created a real gem, nothing else to it. The music video is by far best of the year when it comes to music, I challenge you to find anything else even close in 2012.
You do realize all you're doing is trying to look cool by dissing something popular, since that helps you feel good about yourself and fit in socially? Noone expects pop music, especially viral pop music, to be deep meaningful and long-lasting. It's just a silly song people find fun.
Thats the most idiotic point of view I have heard in a while. It does not even make any real sense and you should realize that your comment is even more bashing pop music by saying it is inherently worthless. "Pop" is for popular and saying that something popular can not have some quality is just a sign of defeatism.
As for the meaning of the lyrics, Moomu has posted a nice link everyone should check on.
On September 25 2012 08:53 marttorn wrote: I think a lot of people are feeling bitter because it's really really big now, but they saw it before it was 'cool'. Also, what jalstar said.
I don't mind.
I do think that other songs by him are better, yes, but he did what he wanted to do: Do something shocking for his fans, just like how he debuted back in 2001. He did it very well, and the international hit just... happened out of nowhere.
But yeah, if I wanted to be hipster, you guys have no idea how good Psy's songs are
10원짜리야
(jk, you guys are not worth 10 won. But hopefully some people get the reference, especially those crying 'Psy's other songs were better')
It's pop music, which means it's actually shit music. Add the same moronic catchy rhythms, some women because sex sells, mix together with dancing like having a seizure in the video clip and there you go, you have a "hit" song. A song by the way, that is pretty much "composed" (if something so terrible can actually be composed) for the most of the time by someone else.
If the singer sucks they can always use those sound programs to fix it. Pop (industrial) music is terrible because it has nothing to do with actual musicianship, just some guy jumping like a monkey/women showing as much skin as possible and singing whatever he/she wants because the same formula will work no matter what.
Anyone remember Rebecca Black?
Mainstream listener is the bane of actual, solid musicianship.
On September 25 2012 08:37 Cowman wrote: 1. Gangnam Style is a great song 2. Last time that I checked, no one in my house is dancing to it, none of the popular kids in my school even know about it 3. He made the music video for fun dude, just let it be! He is just doing his job by making songs
Oh man. Everyone in my school is raving about it haha. And I'm all like in my corner, I showed you it before and they are like "dis shit is stupid" and now they're like "oh man gangnam style is the best shit"
he follow what's hip? he has one of the most unique singing/dancing/humor among any artists. This has been a common trend since his debut over a decade ago.
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: + Show Spoiler +
I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:
Because singing about how great one's father is and the sacrifices he's made was a common American pop/rap genre. You arguably gave the worst possible song ever as an example for trying to follow pop/rap trends.
tell me this isn't good
On September 25 2012 08:56 Bleak wrote: It's pop music, which means it's actually shit music. Add the same moronic catchy rhythms, some women because sex sells, mix together with dancing like having a seizure in the video clip and there you go, you have a "hit" song. A song by the way, that is pretty much "composed" (if something so terrible can actually be composed) for the most of the time by someone else.
If the singer sucks they can always use those sound programs to fix it. Pop (industrial) music is terrible because it has nothing to do with actual musicianship, just some guy jumping like a monkey and singing whatever he wants because the same formula will work no matter what.
Anyone remember Rebecca Black?
Mainstream listener is the bane of actual, solid musicianship.
Thing is, he doesn't autotune and his voice is quite fantastic compared to the majority of mainstream singers
Its a fun song, right? It plays all the time at the restaurant I work at. I catch some of the waitresses humming it at odd moments, even though they haven't seen its video. Its just a cool fun song.
And we all know the video is a lot of fun.
Why worry so much? Save the aesthetics talk for those with a more serious claim as artists, not merely entertainers.
You haven't even said anything about why you think the song is bad. All of your points are that the people who like the song don't have good reasons to like it.
I think it's hilarious that it's gotten so huge, and I'm glad, even though each time I listen to it, I get a little more tired of it. There's something really funny and cute about a bunch of Ellen audience members dancing to it and screaming as well.
It probably wouldn't hurt for some of the really ignorant to have a reason to mentally distinguish South Korea from the North, even if this song isn't the ideal first impression.
On September 25 2012 08:53 marttorn wrote: I think a lot of people are feeling bitter because it's really really big now, but they saw it before it was 'cool'. Also, what jalstar said.
That happens to many artists who just suddenly hit the spotlight. It's just that mentality that "I'm cooler than you because I knew about them before you did or even before they were famous" kind of deal. Sure it bugs me sometimes, especially when some people who don't know Kpop just suddenly think they are so engrossed into it even though they only watched Gangnam style and maybe a few other mainstream songs. That's the only problem I have with Gangnam style being popularized. Otherwise I'm pretty happy that Kpop is getting more awareness and that Psy had a great comeback. Though this thread is not really thread worthy in the first place. It's more of an opinion based thread and OP, and should be discussed in the KMD thread. However it's been killed to death many times over already.
I listen and watch the video because I think its hilarious and entertaining. Not good, or bad, just awesome. Regardless of what anyone else thinks. I think that's how most anything is, pop-culture or the most underground stuff, people in general just like what they like THEN identify with the other people around them who share their opinions, not the other way around. Outside of middle school liking something PURELY because it is "pop-culture" is pretty rare. IMO.
Well I can honestly say its my favourite music video in who knows how long. Its catchy, rediculous, epic, and awesome. Psy's dancing is fantastic and he should get a statue. It is THAT good. I wish I could dance like that...
I thought it was pretty funny the first few times I saw it. I wouldn't really consider any pop music to be good though. It's good for what it is I guess.
i don't like most pop music, but I love this one. The singing, the way he enunciates and the pronunciations, the melody, dance, music video, etc. etc. I love.
it's a combination of factors that make it amazing: 1) a very weird/unique/almost-makes-no-relevant-sense dance 2) the music video is absolutely amazing 3) the lyrics for the song is quite fantastic (granted most people can't understand it)
While the song is fun and catchy, I read a post that explains its deeper meaning. As an example, the song can be compared to Eminem's "Without Me": A catchy tune + criticism on society.
LINK HERE It's not like previous post didn't have explanations, but I just found this post much easier to read and much more convincing.
I think Gangnam Style is great, and that was before it was cool. Your point where you say he made it for whatever is considered mainstream in the US can't be correct simply because of the name. How many non-Koreans know waht Gangnam is? If he wanted to cater it towards western viewers he would have named it something else entirely.
I especially disagree with the part of your post that says he's just making music to fit in with what's 'cool' at the time. His other pieces are great, and they aren't even that popular. Look at 'Right Now', for example. Very catchy, very good music video which clearly indicates he made it to take away from the rather monotonous, boring lifestyle prevalent in Seoul. Something westerners can't relate to.
One of his other songs, 'It's Art', completely trashes your theory. The way he made it clearly shows his passion for music and his love for his fans. It's simply heart-warming. Definitely destroys the notion that he 'sells-out' to western music.
On September 25 2012 09:25 PolskaGora wrote: I think Gangnam Style is great, and that was before it was cool. Your point where you say he made it for whatever is considered mainstream in the US can't be correct simply because of the name. How many non-Koreans know waht Gangnam is? If he wanted to cater it towards western viewers he would have named it something else entirely.
I especially disagree with the part of your post that says he's just making music to fit in with what's 'cool' at the time. His other pieces are great, and they aren't even that popular. Look at 'Right Now', for example. Very catchy, very good music video which clearly indicates he made it to take away from the rather monotonous, boring lifestyle prevalent in Seoul. Something westerners can't relate to. One of his other songs, 'It's Art', completely trashes your theory. The way he made it clearly shows his passion for music and his love for his fans. It's simply heart-warming. Definitely destroys the notion that he sells-out to western music.
let's not forget that, contrary to most main stream artists, he does NOT release albums very frequently. They are at the least 2 year intervals, which hints at the time and dedication he puts into each album. The only other mainstream singer that I know of who works like that is Seo Taiji and his songs are incredible as well.
(random fact: Seo Taiji does a completely new genre of music for every album he releases)
I used to think and say all pop things are crap, but I had all these guilty pleasures and noticed I really had a lot of fun listening to stuff I would intellectually dismiss. So then I just slowly started finding which pop music I actually truly liked and was in denial about and what I don't like and now pop is just like any other genre to me, I feel like I can pick out and appreciate the songs I really like and have tons of fun listening to them, and the ones that are terrible and have some fun bashing or sadness bashing them, and instead of having a "stupid" song as a guilty pleasure, I try to figure out why I really enjoy it and just accept enjoying it and things like it for what that is.
It's just a bonus that lots of other people know pop music so it's easy and fun conversational fodder.
Plus I think a lot of pop music comes from intelligent or very relatable places, but is just packaged in a different aesthetic than other "serious" genres.
doing 90s American pop/rap in 2005= selling out good logic there buddy hes doing something hip? is that why other songs on the billboard sound like gangnam style?
not a fan of psy but none of your statements make sense
Finally someone who echoes my dislike of Gangnam Style! Hear, hear!
Edit: After reading the name of the OP, I feel as if he created the account and made all those nonsensical posts in the Breaking Bad thread all to set up this very moment, so he could be a poster named Gangnam style criticizing the Gangnam style phenomenon. It's a troll!
On September 25 2012 08:56 Bleak wrote: It's pop music, which means it's actually shit music. Add the same moronic catchy rhythms, some women because sex sells, mix together with dancing like having a seizure in the video clip and there you go, you have a "hit" song. A song by the way, that is pretty much "composed" (if something so terrible can actually be composed) for the most of the time by someone else.
If the singer sucks they can always use those sound programs to fix it. Pop (industrial) music is terrible because it has nothing to do with actual musicianship, just some guy jumping like a monkey/women showing as much skin as possible and singing whatever he/she wants because the same formula will work no matter what.
Anyone remember Rebecca Black?
Mainstream listener is the bane of actual, solid musicianship.
Define actual musicianship just to make me laugh.
And by the way, Psy must be a good musician, we went to Berklee.
Yeah, I think it's pretty good. I'm definitely not one who'll play it everyday over and over. I've been a fan of Psy since I heard "새 - Bird" on Music Bank when I was in middle school or something. It's catchy, but the actual melody behind the music is the same musical phrase consistently repeated over and over again with no variation.
He also breaks the current Korean pop star stereotype that you have to be a young pretty boy/girl band to be successful
There's a part of the Korean public who doesn't like Psy becasue he didn't properly serve his military service so he had to do a second term...to me that wasn't a big deal but some of the general public seemed to care because he didn't fulfill his legal obligation properly the first time.
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote: The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.
you can say that about every song ever created really...
i think the general consensus over at KMD is "the song is fine, we're just tired of hearing it." There are other songs to listen to from both Psy and other groups.
You don't understand how pop culture works. You really don't...people actually like it you know, it is not just a way to fit in. It is just different tastes and cutural upbringings ffs..
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote: The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.
you can say that about every song ever created really...
You do realize all you're doing is trying to look cool by dissing something popular, since that helps you feel good about yourself and fit in socially? Noone expects pop music, especially viral pop music, to be deep meaningful and long-lasting. It's just a silly song people find fun.
Thats the most idiotic point of view I have heard in a while. It does not even make any real sense and you should realize that your comment is even more bashing pop music by saying it is inherently worthless. "Pop" is for popular and saying that something popular can not have some quality is just a sign of defeatism.
As for the meaning of the lyrics, Moomu has posted a nice link everyone should check on.
If you're going to call someone's view idiotic, it would be nice if you displayed basic reading comprehension. The only thing more common than dissing something just because it's popular is liking something just because it's popular, if you're not aware of that you must not get out much. You should also realize the only one saying pop music is inherently worthless is you. I made no such claims. I said noone expects pop music to be deep and meaningful because, news flash, just because something is popular doesn't make it good. There's plenty of good pop songs, which are vastly outnumbered by the bad pop songs. If you expect the number one song on the charts to be the best and most meaningful song of the moment, 9 times out of 10 you're going to have a bad time. I had read Moomu's link long before this thread was ever posted, and it doesn't change that to all the people enjoying Gangnam Style it is a silly song people find fun. I'll retract that statement once I see PSY lead a march to whatever the Korean equivalent of the Washington monument is.
On September 25 2012 09:25 Ryshi wrote: While the song is fun and catchy, I read a post that explains its deeper meaning. As an example, the song can be compared to Eminem's "Without Me": A catchy tune + criticism on society.
LINK HERE It's not like previous post didn't have explanations, but I just found this post much easier to read and much more convincing.
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do: Discuss.
Do you follow k-pop? If you did, you'd know he's not selling out. His mv is not even close to standard kpop, which is usually full of flashy cool dances (vs funny) and hot guys and girls. It's very rare that a guy like Psy (30+ yrs and slightly overweight) reaches that level of popularity with the younger crowd of South Korea, which is generally very superficial with their celebrity interests. Tons of my k-pop friends were initially lamenting that it was this song, and not one by SNSD or 2NE1, that was the international break-out song of korea.
Just youtube mv's of "beast korea", "se7en korea", "troublemaker korea", etc. and you'll get an idea of how different Psy is to them. Just because he isn't artsy-fartsy doesn't mean he's a sell out.
This song played in my colleges caf last week. It's making work hard considering how I've had Kpop hard coded alongside Starcraft for the past.. several years...
I love the song because of what it actually means, and what the rest of his songs are mean't for. It's a really fun and energetic song that gets you moving. And he seemed to enjoy making the video.
It's like asking if the macarena was even that good. It's catchy, it have a fun video with a easy to pick up choreography and it's a mix of english and foreign language. That's all you need for a song to go viral. Wheter or not it's actually "good" is sort of beside the point.
It is a great song. I also get to be hipster with it and say I liked it before it was popular when the video had like under a million views. I actually heard it on the radio today when I was driving to the bank
On September 25 2012 10:00 bosnia wrote: what does GANGNAM STYLE mean in a sentence or less?
Read this
On September 25 2012 09:25 Ryshi wrote: While the song is fun and catchy, I read a post that explains its deeper meaning. As an example, the song can be compared to Eminem's "Without Me": A catchy tune + criticism on society.
LINK HERE It's not like previous post didn't have explanations, but I just found this post much easier to read and much more convincing.
It's mockery about people embracing their rich livestyle a bit too much,
So many people will just hop on bandwagon, but some genuinely like the song and video etc, its best to just see how it is popularity wise in 6 months.
It will probably blow over like all that Kony stuff, i bet 95% of the people who signed up didnt even do the event. I know my GF didnt, even though she was all crazy running around handing out fliers and doing a speech in front of her entire school, but in a few months time, bandwagon stuff conveniently doesnt exist any more. Everyone was "Busy". Give it time.
Gangnam Style is popular because the video features an unapologetic male lead who doesn't give a fuck about what others think about him.
Best Korean music I've heard . San E's got some decent tracks too. It's cool that the Korean music is starting to spill out even if it's a bad song to start with, it's gives people a taste, and a successful follow up should be easily doable. Give this dude props, he's expanding an industry.
On September 25 2012 09:57 TheRabidDeer wrote: It is a great song. I also get to be hipster with it and say I liked it before it was popular when the video had like under a million views. I actually heard it on the radio today when I was driving to the bank
I caught it at close to a 100 mil.
I was like, "what the fuck? how can that be?".
Next time I came back to it, that figure jumped by the equivalent of oh.... the population of Britain.
On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote: I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...
This. K-Pop music is the definition of trendy nonsense, but it's catchy to the listeners. A lot of music falls into this category nowadays, but it's not necessarily bad. In fact, I prefer such type of music if I'm trying to party to it (well, not kpop, but music with really no meaning to it, but it just has a fun beat or something).
Gangnam Style is more so funny and amusing than it is catchy, which is why it's caught on to more mainstream. It's not for the quality of music itself.
Obviously, like so many of us, I've been seeing Gangnam style for a bit now...but today, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I heard Gangnam style come on the radio. I was shocked. Yet I rocked out.
I can't be bothered to read the entire OP (got have way through before I called TROLL on this one) or the thread. I am going to go under the impression that no one mentioned that the OP's user name is "Gangnam Style" and he joined TL.net a month after the song was released. I would call this one very long elaborate troll and being are discussing this like it means something.
Correct me if I am wrong, but this is all I can read into this.
On September 25 2012 10:15 GrapeApe wrote: Obviously, like so many of us, I've been seeing Gangnam style for a bit now...but today, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I heard Gangnam style come on the radio. I was shocked. Yet I rocked out.
On September 25 2012 08:26 Papulatus wrote: I never thought that people actually listened to K-Pop for the quality of the music...
This. K-Pop music is the definition of trendy nonsense, but it's catchy to the listeners. A lot of music falls into this category nowadays, but it's not necessarily bad. In fact, I prefer such type of music if I'm trying to party to it (well, not kpop, but music with really no meaning to it, but it just has a fun beat or something).
Gangnam Style is more so funny and amusing than it is catchy, which is why it's caught on to more mainstream. It's not for the quality of music itself.
Just imagine everybody hits the dancefloor and the latest Bob Dylan song's playing
After hearing this song about 300 times, I'm starting to grow tired of it. Seriously, every street corner in Korea has this song blasting at full volume...
gangnam style = korean lmfao ... monotone catchy beat on a loop , stupid dance with group choreography,and goofing off in clip .My first tough was how the same recipes works all around the wrold .... in 6 month gangnam style will be and old hit that no one still plays
grow up, if you listen any song a shit ton of times it will get boring no matter what and thats the true, you all fucked this up putting the song on every tournament/stream and it got too boring.
On September 25 2012 10:28 andReslic wrote: grow up, if you listen any song a shit ton of times it will get boring no matter what and thats the true, you all fucked this up putting the song on every tournament/stream and it got too boring.
i still dont get tired of some pink floyd song after 15 years lol
On September 25 2012 10:28 andReslic wrote: grow up, if you listen any song a shit ton of times it will get boring no matter what and thats the true, you all fucked this up putting the song on every tournament/stream and it got too boring.
i still dont get tired of some pink floyd song after 15 years lol
That's because the tunes have been embedded and integrated into your neural networks and your mind can't do without the stimulus.
It's hilarious, catchy, and fun. So yeah it is great. It's like the Korean Sexy and I Know It.
Also the OP is hilarious psychoanalyzing the Elen crowd. Clearly, this MUST reflect their insecurities and it simply cannot be possible that they think it looks like fun and want to dance along! People dancing because it's fun...I mean really.
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out.
If you read some of the earlier interviews he does, he actually wasn't trying to become some international superstar.
“Instead of saying ‘American takeover’, I’d prefer to be known as ‘that weird guy from Korea’,” he said, referring to coverage of ‘Gangnam Style’ in American news outlets such as CNN and the Los Angeles Times. “In fact, my mother told me that I should be more polite at times like these.”
On September 25 2012 10:34 Haydin wrote: It's hilarious, catchy, and fun. So yeah it is great. It's like the Korean Sexy and I Know It.
Also the OP is hilarious psychoanalyzing the Elen crowd. Clearly, this MUST reflect their insecurities and it simply cannot be possible that they think it looks like fun and want to dance along! People dancing because it's fun...I mean really.
LOL.
Are you some kind of naive shill for the cultural mafia? People don't dance for fun. People don't kill because they want to eliminate their targets.
There's always an ulterior motive. Don't be a government lackey. Watch the skies for UFOs and the flutter of that black flag.
There's like shit going on and you know nothing. I do.
I saw it when it very first started to get views and I loved the video. No one I knew had ever even heard of it. So the whole "people just like it to fit in" argument seems a little off to me. It's a great video, funny and catchy. Of course after you've seen and heard ANYTHING 100 times it becomes boring and overused, that's probably all that the OP boils down to.
All the personal shit the OP has about Psy himself is completely irrelevant. People like the video they don't really care much about the man.
I agree with 90% of the people on the first page: The OP is just overthinking a simple pop song.
On September 25 2012 10:54 magnaflow wrote: The local radio station has been playing this for about a week now.
I literally had to just freeze (figuratively of course) while i was driving when i heard this come on, a part of me was really happy that the internet and radio have really connected. But at the same time i had to ask myself WHY GANGNAM STYLE WHY.
I don't really listen to K-Pop, but I think this guy Psy is talented. He writes his own stuff and does his own choreography. And he isn't a one hit wonder, all his other videos I have seen to verify his legitness hold up. His music is good.
On September 25 2012 08:28 Excludos wrote: cant it just be popular because its catchy, has a funny dance, and is just weird enough to actually be cool?
lol you know whats funny is that I only know about it because I play starcraft I don't know how people who don't play starcraft found out about it hahaha.
Ofcause its terrible, If he went to Berklee I'm sure he would tell you the same but atleast its funny not like the rest of the terrible terrible shit in top 10 now days
On September 25 2012 11:32 MooMooMugi wrote: I think its mostly the dance thats so popular, its very easy to learn and fun to perform
Now that I think of it, yeah. Take a look at "Party Rock Anthem" by LMFAO for example. The song itself is almost worthless without the dance and crazy looking hipsters.
I saw it on a stream that me and my sis were watching many months ago before anyone knew what it was. I liked it then, I like it know. At least for me, it had nothing to do with popularity or social conformity. In fact, I showed it to a bunch of people. Some liked it, some loved it, some were like... WTF you like this?
A few weeks ago I showed the youtube video to my wife. I told her then that this was going to be the next "Macarana".
I didn't realize just how mainstream this video/song had become until a couple nights ago. At our local Outback Steakhouse, there was a group of 30-somethings sitting at the bar and watching Gangam Style on their smartphone...
Also, he dropped out of Berkley lol. He said in a People Magazine interview that the classes were to early and he liked to drink to much haha.
I don't know of any pop music that I actually like, and this song is no exception. I find it annoying and I mute anything that plays it. Sadly it seems that every event worth watching is spamming this horrible creation whenever it can, which is very annoying for me personally. It is also something that seems forced. I wish events would play wordless music and let the viewers put on whatever music they want. If people want to listen to gangnam style there are tons of youtube videos for that.
Not in a hipster way, but I liked it more when it appeared to me to be a song contained within the SC2 scene. I liked that we had a silly song with MC dancing to it and the likes. When it became clear it was a genuinely huge thing outside this little enclave it really killed what jokey appeal it had for me. I'm not a big K-pop fan either, I don't really get the difference between it and the pop music of my youth that most of us derided at the time!
For a point of reference I guess, I'd look at memes and image macros. For me this kind of stuff can be hilarious, but when it gets to a point that people start using them/creating them without having the knowledge of the context, it just ruins it for me.
On September 25 2012 12:31 Corrosive wrote: why is this even a thread? why cant you discuss it in the korean music thread?
Given what is contained in the OP I think it would be very hard to have the meaningful discussion in a thread like that. The content would be drowned out and never seen again after a few pages of being buried. Gangnam style is also the only KPOP song that I know of to be widely received outside of Korea. I think it warrants its own topic even though I hate this song and wish I could take it out back, burn it, and never hear it again.
On September 25 2012 11:44 oneofthem wrote: seems like this is really big so i listened to it. can't get past the 1 minute mark. loud caustic noises. can't tell it apart from any other 'song'
it's the music video and dance that makes the song
easy to notice stuff like "OHHHHH SEXY LADY" and " OP OP OP OPPA GANGNAME STYLE" helps though
You call it selling out, I call it creating. (Doesn't mean everyone has to like it forever. Besides, what did You do recently besides trying to bring something down? :p)
You call it conforming, I call it enjoying. (Enjoying the song/dance/video together every now and then is fun, u mad? )
If it gets too much, you can draw attention away from it, or simply ignore it when it comes up. Shouldn't affect your popularity, I don't think. And. Lastly, don't worry too much about everyone else and their "motives" for liking or appearing to like this song.
ugh, ellen, cant you at least pronounce the name of the song correctly? i have basically come to hate it, its definatly one of the most over hyped songs ive ever heard, and why? half the people listening to it have no clue what gangnam is, my brother thought it meant cowboy style ffs -_- . the more i listen to it the more i want to boycott it and listen to other kpop music.
EDIT: dont get me wrong, i liked the song the first 5 times i heard it, not the next 50 times though.
On September 25 2012 11:44 oneofthem wrote: seems like this is really big so i listened to it. can't get past the 1 minute mark. loud caustic noises. can't tell it apart from any other 'song'
it's the music video and dance that makes the song
easy to notice stuff like "OHHHHH SEXY LADY" and " OP OP OP OPPA GANGNAME STYLE" helps though
I am still a fan of the awkwardness of Shindong from Super Junior
Some of my Koreans friends told me that even they don't know how this song is popular outside of Korea, lol. I think its the dance and the humor as well as some catchy verse from the song that made it popular. People only looks into its meaning after it gets like really popular.
I find it honestly amazing how they things go viral and suddenly get so popular that they are getting mentioned everywhere and people you would never expect to know or hear about suddenly know what it is. Truly the age of the social media where things have the potential to immediately blow up and exponentially grow.
Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote: Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.
The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly
I mean if this was about how did this song get popular so quickly (had about 2mil hits in less than a hour or two) then sure. But OP is just being WAYYYYY too analytic. Video is funny. Beat is catchy. So what?
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote: Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.
The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly
This is why i dont like pumped up kicks by Foster the People. Everywhere i went, on EVERY radio station, it was playing all the time. Im really happy for their success but i personally cant enjoy songs after the 700th time.
honestly this song represents more than the lyrical meanings or anything
Tt shows how fast things can spread in our media age, i know it's not a new thing and it SHOULDN'T be surprising but holy shit this song/video really exploded overnight and still amazes me how fast it went up.
On September 25 2012 13:09 Rube_Juice wrote: Have you watched the video? It's fuckin hilarious. Who cares about how much of a contribution society it is? It's getting mad overplayed now, but it's still hilarious.
The overplayed bit is probably key, it can turn a song you love to an irritant pretty quickly
This is why i dont like pumped up kicks by Foster the People. Everywhere i went, on EVERY radio station, it was playing all the time. Im really happy for their success but i personally cant enjoy songs after the 700th time.
meh didn't like that song too much.
on topic: the funny thing is that he is probably the most "successful" family member. All of his other siblings are known to be quite intelligent (doctors, degree holders etc...) but he, before this video, was an outcast (the stereotypical party-goer failure who leeched off of family's wealth). Look at him now. The modern society today knows his name and art. I personally find this quite ironic.
But seriously how did this video get viral so quickly. I mean koreans would be the first ones to watch it... I find it hard to believe that he adapting the music to the pop style is what made it so good. I feel like his advertising members did a damn good job.
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On September 25 2012 13:24 GreyKnight wrote: honestly this song represents more than the lyrical meanings or anything
Tt shows how fast things can spread in our media age, i know it's not a new thing and it SHOULDN'T be surprising but holy shit this song/video really exploded overnight and still amazes me how fast it went up.
This. I remember this song had about 13mil? in two days it went up to 25. I check a week later and its up 100mil. FYI if you video view count exceeds 100million then google sends you a check of 100k dollars
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.
It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially: + Show Spoiler +
I respect the fact that the guy attended Berklee. But it seems like he just does whatever is 'hip' in order to try and become famous. And he is famous, good for him, but he is the prime example of selling out. Like this 90s American pop/rap he used to try to do:
Edit: Someone posted this article, thought it was worth reposting... + Show Spoiler +
Park Jaesang is an unlikely poster boy for South Korea's youth-obsessed, highly lucrative, and famously vacuous pop music. Park, who performs as Psy (short for psycho), is a relatively ancient 34, has been busted for marijuana and for avoiding the country's mandatory military service, and is not particularly good-looking. His first album got him fined for "inappropriate content" and the second was banned. He's mainstream in the way that South Korea's monolithically corporate media demands of its stars, who typically appear regularly on TV variety and even game shows, but as a harlequin, a performer known for his parodies, outrageous costumes, and jokey concerts. Still, there's a long history of fools and court jesters as society's most cutting social critics, and he might be one of them.
Now, Park has succeeded where the K-Pop entertainment-industrial-complex and its superstars have failed so many times before: he's made it in America. The opening track on his sixth album, "Gangnam Style" (watch it at right), has earned 49 million hits on YouTube since its mid-July release, but the viral spread was just the start.
The American rapper T-Pain was retweeted 2,400 times when he wrote "Words cannot even describe how amazing this video is." Pop stars expressed admiration. Billboard is extolling his commercial viability; Justin Bieber's manager is allegedly interested. The Wall Street Journal posted "5 Must-See" response videos. On Monday, a worker at L.A.'s Dodger stadium noticed Park in the stands and played "Gangnam Style" over the stadium P.A. system as excited baseball fans spontaneously reproduced Park's distinct dance in the video. "I have to admit I've watched it about 15 times," said a CNN anchor. "Of course, no one here in the U.S. has any idea what Psy is rapping about."
I certainly didn't, beyond the basics: Gangnam is a tony Seoul neighborhood, and Park's "Gangnam Style" video lampoons its self-importance and ostentatious wealth, with Psy playing a clownish caricature of a Gangnam man. That alone makes it practically operatic compared to most K-Pop. But I spoke with two regular observers of Korean culture to find out what I was missing, and it turns out that the video is rich with subtle references that, along with the song itself, suggest a subtext with a surprisingly subversive message about class and wealth in contemporary South Korean society. That message would be awfully mild by American standards -- this is no "Born in the U.S.A." -- but South Korea is a very different place, and it's a big deal that even this gentle social satire is breaking records on Korean pop charts long dominated by cotton candy.
"Korea has not had a long history of nuanced satire," Adrian Hong, a Korean-American consultant whose wide travels make him an oft-quoted observer of Korean issues, said of South Korea's pop culture. "In fact, when you asked me about the satire element, I was super skeptical. I don't expect much from K-Pop to begin with, so the first 50 times I heard this, I was just like, 'Allright, whatever.' I sat down to look at it and thought, 'Actually, there's some nuance here.'"
One of the first things Hong pointed to in explaining the video's subtext was, believe it or not, South Korea's sky-high credit card debt rate. In 2010, the average household carried credit card debt worth a staggering 155 percent of their disposable income (for comparison, the U.S. average just before the sub-prime crisis was 138 percent). There are nearly five credit cards for every adult. South Koreans have been living on credit since the mid-1990s, first because their country's amazing growth made borrowing seem safe, and then in the late 1990s when the government encouraged private spending to climb out of the Asian financial crisis. The emphasis on heavy spending, coupled with the country's truly astounding, two-generation growth from agrarian poverty to economic powerhouse, have engendered the country with an emphasis on hard work and on aspirationalism, as well as the materialism that can sometimes follow.
Gangnam, Hong said, is a symbol of that aspect of South Korean culture. The neighborhood is the home of some of South Korea's biggest brands, as well as $84 billion of its wealth, as of 2010. That's seven percent of the entire country's GDP in an area of just 15 square miles. A place of the most conspicuous consumption, you might call it the embodiment of South Korea's one percent. "The neighborhood in Gangnam is not just a nice town or nice neighborhood. The kids that he's talking about are not Silicon Valley self-made millionaires. They're overwhelmingly trust-fund babies and princelings," he explained.
This skewering of the Gangnam life can be easy to miss for non-Korean. Psy boasts that he's a real man who drinks a whole cup of coffee in one gulp, for example, insisting he wants a women who drinks coffee. "I think some of you may be wondering why he's making such a big deal out of coffee, but it's not your ordinary coffee," U.S.-based Korean blogger Jea Kim wrote at her site, My Dear Korea. (Her English-subtitled translation of the video is at right.) "In Korea, there's a joke poking fun at women who eat 2,000-won (about $2) ramen for lunch and then spend 6,000 won on Starbucks coffee." They're called Doenjangnyeo, or "soybean paste women" for their propensity to crimp on essentials so they can over-spend on conspicuous luxuries, of which coffee is, believe it or not, one of the most common. "The number of coffee shops has gone up tremendously, particularly in Gangnam," Hong said. "Coffee shops have become the place where people go to be seen and spend ridiculous amounts of money."
The video is "a satire about Gangnam itself but also it's about how people outside Gangnam pursue their dream to be one of those Gangnam residents without even realizing what it really means," Kim explained to me when I got in touch with her. Koreans "really wanted to be one of them," but she says that feeling is changing, and "Gangnam Style" captures people's ambivalence.
"Koreans have been kind of caught up in this spending to look wealthy, and Gangnam has really been the leading edge of that," Hong said. "I think a lot of what [Psy] is pointing out is how silly that is. The whole video is about him thinking he's a hotshot but then realizing he's just, you know, at a children's playground, or thinking he's playing polo or something and realizes he's on a merry-go-round."
"Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic."
Psy hits all the symbols of Gangnam opulence, but each turns out to be something much more modest, as if suggesting that Gangnam-style wealth is not as fabulous as it might seem. We think he's at a beach in the opening shot, but it turns out to be a sandy playground. He visits a sauna not with big-shot businessmen but with mobsters, Kim points out, and dances not in a nightclub but on a bus of middle-aged tourists. He meets his love interest in the subway. Kim thinks that Psy's strut though a parking garage, two models at his side as trash and snow fly at them, is meant as a nod to the common rap-video trope of the star walking down a red carpet covered in confetti. "I think he's pointing out the ridiculousness of the materialism," Hong said.
(If you're wondering about the bizarre episodes in the elevator and with the red sports car, as I was, it turns out that those are probably just excuses for a couple of cameos by TV personalities, which is apparently common in South Korean music videos.)
None of this commentary is particularly overt, which is actually what could make "Gangnam Style" so subversive. Social commentary is just not really done in mainstream Korean pop music, Hong explained. "The most they'll do is poke fun at themselves a little bit. It's really been limited." But Psy "is really mainstreaming it, and he's doing it in a way that maybe not everybody quite realizes." Park Jaesang isn't just unusual because of his age, appearance, and style; he writes his own songs and choreographs his own videos, which is unheard of in K-Pop. But it's more than that. Maybe not coincidentally, he attended both Boston University and the Berklee College of Music, graduating from the latter. His exposure to American music's penchant for social commentary, and the time spent abroad that may have given him a new perspective on his home country, could inform his apparently somewhat critical take on South Korean society.
Of course, it's just a music video, and a silly one at that. Does it really have to be about anything more complicated? "If I hadn't seen that behind-the-scenes, I would have said he's just poking fun at himself," Hong said of the official making-of video, which is embedded at right. It's mostly of Park or Psy having fun on set, but at one point he pauses in filming. "Human society is so hollow, and even while filming I felt pathetic. Each frame by frame was hollow," he sighs, apparently deadly serious. It's a jarring moment to see the musician drop his clownish demeanor and reveal the darker feelings behind this lighthearted-seeming song. Although, Hong noted, "hollow" doesn't capture it: "It's a word that's a mixture or shallow or hollow or vain," he explained.
Kim seemed to feel the same way about the video, though it's so cheery on the surface. "He was satirizing more than just this one neighborhood," she told me. On her blog, she suggested the video portrayed the Gangnam area, a symbol of South Korea's national aspirations for prosperity and status, as "nothing but materialistic and about people who are chasing rainbows." Pretty heavy for a viral pop hit.
"I think it all ties back to the same thing: the pursuit of materialism, the pursuit of form over function," Hong said. "Koreans made extraordinary gains as a country, in terms of GDP and everything else, but that growth has not been equitable. I think the young people are finally realizing that. There's a genuine backlash. ... You're seeing a huge amount of resentment from youth about their economic circumstances." Even if Psy wasn't specifically nodding to this when he wrote the song and shot the video, it's part of the contemporary South Korean society that he inhabits. "The context is all of these tensions going on where Koreans are realizing where they're at, how they got there, what they need to do to move forward."
It's difficult to imagine that much of this could be apparent to non-Koreans, which Kim told me is why she decided to write it up on her blog. "I thought people outside Korea might take it just as another funny music video. So I wanted to explain what's behind [it] and the song." Still, is it possible that the video could have caught on for reasons beyond just its admittedly catchy beat and hilarious visuals? After all, Korean pop really does not seem to typically do well in the U.S., and this has gotten enormous. "It's kind of the first genuine pop-culture crossover from Korea," Hong said, noting it's "more in the American style." Maybe it's possible that, even if the specific nods to the quirks of this Seoul neighborhood couldn't possibly cross over, and even if the lyrics are nonsense to non-Korean speakers, there's something about obviously skewering the ostentatiously rich that just might resonate in today's America.
Whatever the case, Koreans seem to be proud of their first big musical export to the U.S., Hong said, noting that the Korean media has meticulously covered the video's tremendous reception here. "Koreans are definitely talking about it and pointing to it as a source of national pride." Maybe there's something relatable about Gangnam style.
Congratulations for discovering how trends work. Now try figuring out what is that thing called electricity. Good luck.
On September 25 2012 08:25 Pibacc wrote: The actual meaning of the song is rather deep. I'll try to find a good article on it because I can't really explain it.
yeah I read something about that..it's like a criticism of Korean consumerist culture. The song itself isn't so great, it actually sounds a lot like some lmfao song or something, which at least explains its Western popularity~
It's catchy, the video is hilarious, and the chicks are hot. Those are 3 perfectly good reasons to like a song, even if they're everyone else's reason. Is it so bad to like a song that other people like?
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.
It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.
Honestly, I think it sounds like any other vacuous Kpop.
I didn't even know about the existence of this song until I looked it up a few weeks ago myself. I have only ever encountered references to its popularity on the internet and have yet to hear it playing anywhere in public or see anyone dancing to it. Either the song's not as popular as people are making it out to be, or I just live in a black hole where nothing of popular culture reaches my ears. (Probably the latter, I suspect, but I am on a college campus?)
EDIT: For reference, the first time I actually heard the song was when I caught Ganzi dancing to it on-stream when the Koreans were stuck in the US due to the weather.
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.
It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.
Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.
It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.
Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!
Which means everybody in the history of mankind started smoking because of peer pressure?
Yeah I instantly realized who the poster was >__>;; nice one.
I think analysis would be a waste of time. If we could truly deconstruct the basis of every hit (and not just with generic blanket statements such as "catchy" and "prone to popularity" whatnot), then there would be hit after hit.
It's catchy, its popular because it went viral (thanks to the video). It was also in the right place at the right time (korean culture getting more and more accepted in the West.
Pretty easy to understand actually, and no it is not overrated. If people called it a masterpiece, sure, but they aren't. It's a catchy pop song with a great dance and funny video, and that's all anyone really says about it. Popular does not mean overrated.
On September 25 2012 08:24 Gangnam Style wrote: I've seen a lot of K-pop videos and Gangnam Style isn't really that great. It had novelty value the first time I saw it, and maybe a few more times after that, but the tune gets boring very quickly and the hype surrounding it is overrated in my opinion.
It appears everyone America is loving - because other people love it. It's the perfect example of pop culture - people want to be seen as liking someone other people like in order to fit in socially. So it's a self-reinforcing cycle. Look at these hens in the Ellen audience - 99% of them are probably feeling really awkward but are doing the dance simply because they want to be seen as fitting in socially:
Oh I see, so because you don't like it, so that must mean other people are just trying to fit in socially.
Aye because nobody ever does anything that they wouldn't otherwise do to fit in socially? I took up smoking because I was really into it and loved coughing my lungs up!
Which means everybody in the history of mankind started smoking because of peer pressure?
He raised an interesting OP, wondering why this was the big crossover hit, when there's a lot of other K-pop of similar style out there. Don't see why that discussion can't be continued without making suchcomments at the OP.
An example, people over here especially in my workplace, the only topic of conversation, especially on a Monday is football. If you're not privvy to this, you don't get as much in the way of social interaction as if you would otherwise. Hence there are a lot more 'fans' of football, and it's only upon deeper convos that you can differentiate people who actually like it, from those who put forth a pretense. I'd imagine it's this kind of thing the OP has in mind, and it's worth talking about as a possibility!
Also gives me an excuse to link to this, always amuses me
I have an aunt who teaches english in SK and she said the song is to do with making fun of rich superficial new yorkers..? something along those lines. Either way I can't stand the song.. never could bare to listen to the entire thing but then again I'm someone that really doesn't enjoy kpop in the first place.
On September 25 2012 13:57 BreakfastBurrito wrote: *looks at name* *looks at thread* *looks back at name*
Idk what to think
You shouldn't think. Then you might do something like this guy. Create an account name and make a thread about account name. And in that thread you attempt to bash whatever you based your account name off of.
I respect this song 100% because it doesn't have any fucking autotune. The song itself isn't too bad but the video is what makes this song so great lol. His crazy fucking dance when he goes left to right looks dumb as hell but it's so funny XD
On September 25 2012 14:02 Sephy90 wrote: I respect this song 100% because it doesn't have any fucking autotune. The song itself isn't too bad but the video is what makes this song so great lol. His crazy fucking dance when he goes left to right looks dumb as hell but it's so funny XD
True, that effect is close to unbearable when it's used in the over-the-top manner it is nowadays. The one thing in music I just cannot understand how people tolerate it
Seeing all the other shit that is popular these days, I'll be happy to take this over most anything else. Seriously, the most viewed video on youtube is the music video of "baby" by Justin Bieber. I would not be mad in the slightest if gangnam style passed it
The singer is just silly and awesome; his goofy music video and the absurd dance are what make the song so great. Also, I like songs in languages that I don't understand haha
I'm just impressed. I haven't heard a fully foreign song on any US radio stations, and then Gangnam Style comes out of nowhere and takes the radios by storm. Mad props to PSY.