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OCEANSIDE, CALIFORNIA – August 10, 2012 – Today, Quantic Gaming is proud to welcome Jeff "MaximusBlack" Johnston to our organization. As one half of the popular "LAG TV" YouTube channel and one of the hosts of the populr "When Cheese Fails" series, Jeff is a well-known and highly regarded online media personality and entertainer.
Along with bringing all the regular programming his massive fan base enjoys on a daily basis, Jeff will also become a contributing member of the prestigious Razer Academy, where his weekly "Quest to Grandmaster" series will chart his journey to pro status as he learns from Quantic's outstanding StarCraft II roster. In addition to his participation in the Razer Academy, Maximus will also be representing Quantic at tournament events and select industry events throughout the year.
Quantic's Founder & CEO commented on the acquisition:
"It's an absolute pleasure to have the opportunity to work with someone like Jeff – not only because he has legions of fans, but because he is dedicated to become the best player he can be. I warmly welcome him to the organization, and I hope fans look forward to his participation in the Razer Academy!"
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oh sick! was wondering what team he would join :D
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United States97276 Posts
Congrats to MaximusBlack and quantic and good luck on your quest to grandmaster
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He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
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Congrats Maximus! STQ for world domination.
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congratz maximus hope u'll enjoy quantic!
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Total bouse. Grats to Jeff and to Quantic, excited to see where this takes you both. :D
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I didn't think of Quantic, but it's great that he can find a team with such great training opportunities.
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Oh wow nice! Congrats man~ Pretty big step up from x6
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
I agree on him not deserving to be Top8, but I still think if he doesn't get tilted as much as he does and stops cannoning, all inning and 4gating he can be good just like any other player who has ambitions.
Clearly a PR pick.
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starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand.
SaSe and the partnership with ST are the only reasons now that Quantic can be seen as a serious team which concentrates on talent/ strong players. Thought this team was gonna be different after they picked up Apoc, SaSe and Naniwa but I guess I was wrong.. the merge with Vile, picking up flo because she is female and now this is something I can't relate myself to. I am kind of dissappointed, because Quantic used to be my favorite foreign team for a long time.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
i have always shared this sentiment. i loved his WCF series and when he and his partner Adam would do funny sc2 based shows, but once he tried to reach masters and gm, he started taking himself far too seriously. sadly i have seen little improvement from observing his play quite frequently over the past few months.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
Anyone can become a good player with enough dedication and motivation
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Gratz to MB! Hopefully Quantic can make him a better play (Sase?) and as a personality and entertainer he fully deserve that!
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Hell always be a step down from Destinys personality.
But good luck to him, Quantic needed a new publicity character after losing destiny and naniwa.
Thats the real reason why I see them picking him up.
All the other players on Quantic are kinda lacking in the promoting the team prodcut.
One step closer to being like EG and promoting stuff.
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Hell of an addition, congrats to both parties!
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
he still 4gates every single game of his.
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This man has the mind of a champion. Best of luck MB!
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I don't understand why you would pick someone up just for their personality, but never the less, goodluck.
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand.
But that's just how western eSports business is. Skill-wise, the west will never overcome Korea and you can't beat a man at his own game anyway. So the west has to play it's own "game", which is investing into marketing and recruiting personalities that help extend their fanbase and number of followers, so that the team gets/retains sponsorships.
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On August 11 2012 02:08 EggYsc2 wrote:
Hell always be a step down from Destinys personality.
But good luck to him, Quantic needed a new publicity character after losing destiny and naniwa.
Thats the real reason why I see them picking him up.
All the other players on Quantic are kinda lacking in the promoting the team prodcut.
One step closer to being like EG and promoting stuff.
What ? More like step ahead if anything.
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On August 11 2012 02:10 VPVanek wrote:
I don't understand why you would pick someone up just for their personality, but never the less, goodluck.
money is funny brotha.
E-sports is a marketing business anyway you look at it.
If you dont have anything to market you dont have a business.
Business 101
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On August 11 2012 02:10 VPVanek wrote:
I don't understand why you would pick someone up just for their personality, but never the less, goodluck.
How about the thousands of fans?
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wait a minute... WHAT HAPPEND TO HIS HAIR
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On August 11 2012 02:12 Harrad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand. But that's just how western eSports business is. Skill-wise, the west will never overcome Korea and you can't beat a man at his own game anyway. So the west has to play it's own "game", which is investing into marketing and recruiting personalities that help extend their fanbase and number of followers.
yea but most teams invest into players who are at least capable of competing with the top... Maximusblack is a 1k p masters player or something... its a 100% marketing move and Quantic doesn't even admit it. Thats what I hate about this whole thing... he is not even one of those guys who has a fanbase because he was good at 1 point. Most other popular players at least were really good during their prime and just started to slowly fade away but still play at an acceptable level. Maximusblack is a completely different story.
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On August 11 2012 02:08 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. Anyone can become a good player with enough dedication and motivation
Exactly very good point.
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Canada13386 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:10 VPVanek wrote:
I don't understand why you would pick someone up just for their personality, but never the less, goodluck.
Exposure, and he wants to improve and hit GM which is part of his series and personality.
He's done a great job of marketing himself, watching Maximus Black is like watching a reality show almost in the sense that he has a goal and he is showing his fans every single step of the way there while being an entertaining personality.
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On August 11 2012 02:18 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:10 VPVanek wrote:
I don't understand why you would pick someone up just for their personality, but never the less, goodluck. Exposure, and he wants to improve and hit GM which is part of his series and personality. He's done a great job of marketing himself, watching Maximus Black is like watching a reality show almost in the sense that he has a goal and he is showing his fans every single step of the way there while being an entertaining personality.
Huh, that's a good point, never thought of it in this way.
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On August 11 2012 02:16 Kaitokid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:12 Harrad wrote:On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand. But that's just how western eSports business is. Skill-wise, the west will never overcome Korea and you can't beat a man at his own game anyway. So the west has to play it's own "game", which is investing into marketing and recruiting personalities that help extend their fanbase and number of followers. yea but most teams invest into players who are at least capable of competing with the top... Maximusblack is a 1k p masters player or something... its a 100% marketing move and Quantic doesn't even admit it. Thats what I hate about this whole thing... he is not even one of those guys who has a fanbase because he was good at 1 point. Most other popular players at least were really good during their prime and just started to slowly fade away but still play at an acceptable level. Maximusblack is a completely different story.
the jealousy reeks off this post.
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smart pick up - obviously not the greatest player but will give way more exposure to Quantic than some barcode korean and is less risky than giving a chance to an up and coming player who is GM but doesn't stream and/or lacks personality
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EDIT: nevermind not worth a post
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On August 11 2012 02:19 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:16 Kaitokid wrote:On August 11 2012 02:12 Harrad wrote:On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand. But that's just how western eSports business is. Skill-wise, the west will never overcome Korea and you can't beat a man at his own game anyway. So the west has to play it's own "game", which is investing into marketing and recruiting personalities that help extend their fanbase and number of followers. yea but most teams invest into players who are at least capable of competing with the top... Maximusblack is a 1k p masters player or something... its a 100% marketing move and Quantic doesn't even admit it. Thats what I hate about this whole thing... he is not even one of those guys who has a fanbase because he was good at 1 point. Most other popular players at least were really good during their prime and just started to slowly fade away but still play at an acceptable level. Maximusblack is a completely different story. the jealousy reeks off this post.
right... it is just my personal opinion, you don't have to share it. I guess that's just how NA teams work nowadays, the skill gap is so big that they have to get 1 clown per team to promote their sponsors etc otherwise they would just die out. I hope the day never comes where dignitas, mouz, Empire and roxkis start to pick up Paris Hilton's to start a reality show on twitch.tv.
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
picking up flo because she is female
And so begins the discussion of females being used as marketing tools in professional gaming.
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Glad to hear it, he's a great contributor to the community who deserves solid names backing him. His play showed marked improvement after his boot camp with Desrow, so having a good team supporting him can only lead to great things. As per usual with anything related to MB, he and the team supporting him will cop some flak from his ardent haters (I still dunno what Reddit's problem is), but he's got one of the most dedicated fanbases in the game, and he's only going to show improvement because of his willingness to use any and all resources at hand, so I know who's going to get the last laugh.
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On August 11 2012 02:09 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. he still 4gates every single game of his.
4gates... every single game.... The only reason he 4gates now is if he's against some lameass stream sniper or wants to get his MMR back up. Popular people always have morons like you who complain about insignificant things like this. All I see that Jeff needs to do is manage his army better, stop lumping them together a lot of the time, and scout the opponent better. Stop posting like you're in bronze league.
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On August 11 2012 02:09 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. he still 4gates every single game of his.
No he doesnt.
on the topic:
I am fan of MB and I am glad he got a team behind him who can actually support team kinda good, but Quantic is just.. meh
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First off congrats to MaximusBlack on joining up with quantic! :D Best of luck on your new team and good luck at the Razer Academy!
On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
SaSe and the partnership with ST are the only reasons now that Quantic can be seen as a serious team which concentrates on talent/ strong players. Thought this team was gonna be different after they picked up Apoc, SaSe and Naniwa but I guess I was wrong.. the merge with Vile, picking up flo because she is female and now this is something I can't relate myself to. I am kind of dissappointed, because Quantic used to be my favorite foreign team for a long time.
I just wanted to respond to you post that SaSe and ST are the only reasons you consider Quantic a "serious team which concentrates on talent/strong players"
In the WCS North American Championship Quantic has 5 players (Illusuion, The Ognis, State, DdoRo, Hawk) that's more players represting their team than anyone else. Second place goes to Root with 4 players followed by EG with 3. So I think that is a silly claim to make that Quantic can only be seen as a serious team because of SaSe and ST.
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On August 11 2012 02:08 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. Anyone can become a good player with enough dedication and motivation
Tell that to China's "FateDeity"... poor bastard.
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On August 11 2012 02:23 worked13 wrote:And so begins the discussion of females being used as marketing tools in professional gaming.
they really are unless they are scarlett. scarlett is good, flo is cute as fuck. we don't really hear from her so it's safe to assume that quantic has no plans for her for the time being. same goes for that julia-girl, i havent heard from her in months now. quantic is obviously only interested in maximus because of exposure and to further increase its fanbase. sure they have this "academy" thing, but that's really just their way of supporting their players and hope they get better. it's not like any of them will tear down mlg or iem anytime soon.
No he doesnt.
yes, he does.
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good luck trying to become gm lol
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He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better.
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On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better.
did you make a new account just to say that, or? lol
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It would be interesting to see which threads contain the highest percentage of first posts. I suspect MaximusBlack threads would dominate the leaderboard.
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I feel like I missed something as I thought he had just signed with checksix. Good luck either way!
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On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better.
He is not good for esports.
Just go to NA GM and pick a player and he will place better than Maximus in any tournament he enters.
If NA teams keep doing this (it may be beneficial to them now) there won't be a scene in 1-2 years time.
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My respect for quantic just took a nose dive, not gonna lie. I think what quantic needs is more players, not personalities.
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Imo from watchin his steam for a couple of months now, he has not improved at all... He has been stuck in low-mid masters for a WHILEEE now. Only reason he even has 1k points this season is because he was promoted plat -> dia -> masters. Even wit 500+ games played.
Maximusblack even invited over desrow for a week to teach him some new build orders n game knowledge. Few weeks later hes back to fourgatin every PvP cuz he doesnt win games otherwise.I even remember max gettin frustrated n mad at desrow for trying to help him while he was playing. You dnt curk out on someone whos trying to help u improve your game bro!
I do love maximus as an entertainer though. Hes a funny cool guy, but i just wish he would actually put some effort in gettin better with his gameplay. N a huge pet-peeve.... STOP TELLING PPL YOUR HIGH MASTERS! so disgraceful to other high masters.
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On August 11 2012 02:34 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better. did you make a new account just to say that, or? lol
Why wouldn't he? Didn't know it was a rule how the first post should look like.
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On August 11 2012 02:38 PtossRemix wrote:
Imo from watchin his steam for a couple of months now, he has not improved at all... He has been stuck in low-mid masters for a WHILEEE now. Only reason he even has 1k points this season is because he was promoted plat -> dia -> masters. Even wit 500+ games played.
Maximusblack even invited over desrow for a week to teach him some new build orders n game knowledge. Few weeks later hes back to fourgatin every PvP cuz he doesnt win games otherwise.I even remember max gettin frustrated n mad at desrow for trying to help him while he was playing. You dnt curk out on someone whos trying to help u improve your game bro!
I do love maximus as an entertainer though. Hes a funny cool guy, but i just wish he would actually put some effort in gettin better with his gameplay. N a huge pet-peeve.... STOP TELLING PPL YOUR HIGH MASTERS! so disgraceful to other high masters.
well to be fair, almost everyone who is in masters says he is "high masters" because there is no fixed definition for that term :D I find it hilarious and annoying at the same time  rank 1 master on the server is "high masters" despite having top 50 GM mmr and also 800 points masters players are "high masters" according to them haha
so don't shit on Maximus for that I guess when so many people do that.. I am sure you can find something else to critizize him
@guy 1 post below me, lol do you really think to stream all day long and 4 gate is harder than to actually play the game at a high level? come on...
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On August 11 2012 02:38 pStar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better. He is not good for esports. Just go to NA GM and pick a player and he will place better than Maximus in any tournament he enters. If NA teams keep doing this (it may be beneficial to them now) there won't be a scene in 1-2 years time.
A random NA GM player won't invest the time, money and effort MaximusBlack has into the community. Criticize his gameplay if you want, but don't take away the fact that he's literally dedicated his life to this game and it's community.
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Diamond low master - Low Master - Mid Master - High Master - Top Master(players who play vs GMs on ladder a lot)
Thats how it is
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Im so tired of these pickup, dunno why American teams always do this shit -.-' Atleast European teams haven jumped on the popularity train yet, as far as i know atleast. AND PLSS DONT!
Most be awesome oppotunity for MB, and he should go make the very best out of this, but Quantic pff i had expected more pro attitude towards the game than this.
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On August 11 2012 02:38 pStar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better. He is not good for esports. Just go to NA GM and pick a player and he will place better than Maximus in any tournament he enters. If NA teams keep doing this (it may be beneficial to them now) there won't be a scene in 1-2 years time.
I think he's the definition of being good for e-sports.
Let me preface this all by saying - most of my exposure from SC2 comes from Maximus Black. I owned SC2 before seeing him for the first time, but didn't actually play it or anything.
I'm not a hardcore player. I'm silver league, gold on a good week. And I don't play that often. However, I love the game. I love SC2 like I love Baseball (a lot). I watch GSLs and MLGs frequently. I have favorite players, teams. I know the game and understand the units, mechanics and trumps. I understand how late game flows.
Now, I'm not a marketing expert... but I expet that I'm the close to the stereotype of what people who want to push e-sports bigger want to have. People like me make the game have a large fan base. Yes, people that play the game 40 hours a week are great, but if you want to have SC2 on TV, you need a LARGE fan base.
Again, all of this came from just chilling out, watching MB play games on a second monitor at home/work.
I think he's great for e-sports.
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bouse.
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Bouse. Jeff has improved dramatically in the last 2 months since he decided to actually try his hand at being a serious player. He is getting a late start, but if you watch him regularly like I do. I see glimpses of brilliant play that would dazzle many top tier GMs. He is in rough shape, but there are glimmers of greatness and all Quantic has to do is give him a good polishing and I think honestly he could play on par with some of the best players in the world. He will have Tourney success in 2013 definitely and I think when HOTS gets used in tourneys it will re-level the playing field substantially.
Most importantly, MB wants to win!
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4 gate this, 4 gate that. What about Stephano? No one is complaining about "Roach max this, Roach max that" 4 gating and doing the 12 minute Roach max takes around the same skill level imo.
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On August 11 2012 02:49 TwoRavens wrote:
Bouse. Jeff has improved dramatically in the last 2 months since he decided to actually try his hand at being a serious player. He is getting a late start, but if you watch him regularly like I do. I see glimpses of brilliant play that would dazzle many top tier GMs. He is in rough shape, but there are glimmers of greatness and all Quantic has to do is give him a good polishing and I think honestly he could play on par with some of the best players in the world. He will have Tourney success in 2013 definitely and I think when HOTS gets used in tourneys it will re-level the playing field substantially.
Most importantly, MB wants to win!
I consider this comment disrespectful and offensive towards the actual top players... this is just so ignorant, posts like these annoy me more than some random trolling.
anyone of you 1 post guys care to explain why you always call him "bouse"? He really brainwashed you guys well I guess, some people adore him like he is Nestea, a good SC2 player and the creator of the universe -_-'
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I don't even know why people are arguing about him.
The team picked Jeff, team is happy, Jeff is happy, nobody cares if YOU, people, don't like it. You can debate about it for hours, Quantic won't change it's mind, neither will Jeff.
QuanticMaximusBlack, get over it.
BOUSE ♥
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bouse !
It's weird to see so much hate towards him.
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On August 11 2012 02:30 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:23 worked13 wrote:On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
picking up flo because she is female And so begins the discussion of females being used as marketing tools in professional gaming. they really are unless they are scarlett. scarlett is good, flo is cute as fuck. we don't really hear from her so it's safe to assume that quantic has no plans for her for the time being. same goes for that julia-girl, i havent heard from her in months now. quantic is obviously only interested in maximus because of exposure and to further increase its fanbase. sure they have this "academy" thing, but that's really just their way of supporting their players and hope they get better. it's not like any of them will tear down mlg or iem anytime soon. yes, he does.
Wow, looking at your posts here in this thread you are clearly jelly or something. No he doesnt, guess you havent seen him play and in a while, or wasnt following him when he bought desrow a plain ticket and let him stay in his house so he could coach him for a week, or you never watch the stream for more than 3 hours. Please get your facts straight
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On August 11 2012 02:50 consonance wrote:
4 gate this, 4 gate that. What about Stephano? No one is complaining about "Roach max this, Roach max that" 4 gating and doing the 12 minute Roach max takes around the same skill level imo.
Why dont you attempt to win NASL with 4gate then? Since stephano "has no skill"
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This looks like a personality pick up, but i could be wrong. Either way congratz to each party.
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Some people seriously need to wake up here.
If you think Quantic recruited Maximus for his huge tournament winning potential, you need some kind of a reality check. Jeff has worked his butt off for the past two years to produce great Starcraft 2 content, and has gained an enormous fan base in the process.
When CheckSix recruited him, their popularity skyrocketed. Why? Not because he's top 20 GM, but because of his personality. Anyone who even mentions something about his skill level in this thread shouldn't even be taken seriously.
I've even seen some people saying that he's "bad for eSports". Well, guess what, a percentage of his fan base first found When Cheese Fails on YouTube, and then got interested in Starcraft. I can say with great confidence that if it wasn't for LAGTV (his channel), I wouldn't even be remotely as interested in Starcraft as I am today, and I know for a fact that I am not alone in that.
All in all, if you're gonna whine about this, go somewhere else. Quantic picked him up because he's a great eSports personality, and having him on the team will boost their popularity vastly. They don't need to "hide" that, because it goes without saying.
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On August 11 2012 02:51 Kaitokid wrote:
anyone of you 1 post guys care to explain why you always call him "bouse"? He really brainwashed you guys well I guess, some people adore him like he is Nestea, a good SC2 player and the creator of the universe -_-'
I'm pretty sure you've hit the nail on the head.
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On August 11 2012 02:38 pStar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better. He is not good for esports. Just go to NA GM and pick a player and he will place better than Maximus in any tournament he enters. If NA teams keep doing this (it may be beneficial to them now) there won't be a scene in 1-2 years time.
Be quiet. You're obviously a hipocrit and have some bone to pick with Maximus Black. Your favorite team is ROOT? Were you shitting on CatZ after picking up Athene? Obvious publicity stunt. Were you shitting on ROOT after picking up a DOTA squad? Obvious publicity stunt, their "team" is a bunch of no names who don't even have a 50% win ratio. I could go pick 5 random high level DOTA players and make a better team. Did you shit all over SlayerS and ST for picking up female players in what could only be hurting E-Sports because there are better players? For all the crap you want to direct at MaximusBlack, he is streaming daily, with a good number of viewers and obviously has some shred of dedication to the game. I agree, he will most likely never post tournament results, but neither will 85% of the pro scene.
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Congrats to the sause Bouse!
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On August 11 2012 02:05 AnYvia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. I agree on him not deserving to be Top8, but I still think if he doesn't get tilted as much as he does and stops cannoning, all inning and 4gating he can be good just like any other player who has ambitions. Clearly a PR pick.
I don't understand.... Why should he stop all-inning or 4gating? Proffesional high level players (MC, Squirtle, PartinG, NaNi etc.) do two base all-ins or 4gates (esp MC) quite often as well.
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I think I will post something to all the haters out there. First off thank you, without all of you guys I wouldn't work as hard to prove you all wrong. Also sometimes the hate is justified and I make changes to become a better entertainer.
Now for people that will just hate and use the 4 gate thing or cheese thing. That is fine. As I say what I'm about to say people will say I have an ego or I'm narcissistic.
I have 4 youtube channels in which total over 120,000 subscribers. I'm also the co-fonder of When Cheese Fails a highly successful youtube series. I also stream 150-200 hours a month and contain high viewer numbers. I agree I'm not the best at SC2 compared to other pros. The thing is you guys compare me to them and I'm not them. I work hard everyday to entertain my fans. Judging by the support Quantic and Razer are giving me they think so too.
I've made some mistakes early on. I've learned from them. I also know I can't please everyone so I stopped trying. As for Desrow coming to my house and coaching I learned a lot. A lot of people talk about the 4 gate but won't talk about my PvZ and PvT improvements or my MAJOR hotkey changes. Another thing about the Desrow coaching, a lot of things happened between us that I felt I was extremely mistreated. I didn't want to go to the public about it because I didn't want to do Desrow like that as I felt he did to me (nor was it anyone business was resolved between us in a good manner. So I will take that role as the bad guy one more time. The haters have no problem talking about my faults but will not recognize my strengths.
It's been awhile since I stood up for myself, I take a lot of racist heat from the public. Via emails, twitch.tv messages, youtube comments. I'm not the one giving esports a bad name. It's the jealous haters that do. I'm playing my role and my part. I don't do things perfect but I try my best. I hope that I can win the hearts of some of the nonbelievers in the future and I look forward to playing at a high level some day. I'm enjoying this journey I'm grateful for this job so why rush it.
Thank you once again Quantic,Razer and fans I won't do you wrong!
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good luck getting to GM MB! i hope his show can stay classy through these changes, as i'm sure it will.
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On August 11 2012 02:10 VPVanek wrote:
I don't understand why you would pick someone up just for their personality, but never the less, goodluck.
Very simple, exposure ^^
For those of u guys hating on MaxBlack, I met him at MLG and ended up hanging out with him that night after the event. He's a super nice / chill dude. So I wish him the best and hope it works out with Quanitc. He does deserve a good foreign team cuz he has a huge following and he's full-time dedicated to SC2 + improving.
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Congratulations, but I honestly wish Quantic would focus more on marketing and exposing their players rather than opt in for an entertainer.
They have entertaining players, use them.
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To me it seems obivous that quantic picked him up only because of his fanbase.
On August 11 2012 02:58 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:38 pStar wrote:On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better. He is not good for esports. Just go to NA GM and pick a player and he will place better than Maximus in any tournament he enters. If NA teams keep doing this (it may be beneficial to them now) there won't be a scene in 1-2 years time. Be quiet. You're obviously a hipocrit and have some bone to pick with Maximus Black. Your favorite team is ROOT? Were you shitting on CatZ after picking up Athene? Obvious publicity stunt. Were you shitting on ROOT after picking up a DOTA squad? Obvious publicity stunt, their "team" is a bunch of no names who don't even have a 50% win ratio. I could go pick 5 random high level DOTA players and make a better team. Did you shit all over SlayerS and ST for picking up female players in what could only be hurting E-Sports because there are better players? For all the crap you want to direct at MaximusBlack, he is streaming daily, with a good number of viewers and obviously has some shred of dedication to the game. I agree, he will most likely never post tournament results, but neither will 85% of the pro scene.
Actually ROOTBlitz is pretty fuckin good.
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The haters have no problem talking about my faults but will not recognize my strengths.
Enough said. All the haters are like that. Sadly.
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Respect. Good luck, have fun, and keep working hard. Congrats.
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Naninwa leave and they need a pickup... i think MB can do thats
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On August 11 2012 03:02 MaximusBlack wrote:
I think I will post something to all the haters out there. First off thank you, without all of you guys I wouldn't work as hard to prove you all wrong. Also sometimes the hate is justified and I make changes to become a better entertainer.
On August 11 2012 03:02 MaximusBlack wrote:
The haters have no problem talking about my faults but will not recognize my strengths.
Calling somebody a hater because they have criticism, whether you find it legitimate or not, is such a cop-out. It's the same as calling somebody a troll because they disagree. Nobody can deny that to this point you've made yourself as an entertainer and have not proven yourself at all as a serious player. A "hater" might say that it's impossible for you to ever prove yourself in that way, but I don't see very many people saying that. "All the haters" is just exaggerating, and playing the victim.
Good luck with Quantic. Your fan-base comprises some bizzaro world, parallel universe of SC2* that is completely foreign to most of us, and I think that many of us are hoping that any influx of the sort is not a deleterious one. I believe that is why there is an air of anxiety/negativity in this thread.
* Demonstrated by the vapid first posts they often come here to make in threads about you.
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I thought it was going to be ROOT, but glad he is on Quantic regardless.
Jeff / Maximusblack streams an ABSURD amount, flew Desrow out to his place for a week with coaching and I have seen improvement from him in PvT and PvZ (Not much improvement in PvP honestly). He is very dedicated and I am glad he is doing well. He isn't the best player, no one can argue that. But if you call him out on his stream HE will call you out right back and challenge you. He has my respect and I do believe he will put in the hours to become a better player. This partnership with Quantic will help with that potential.
Of course you cannot ignore the fact that he can also be very entertaining. That's honestly the main reason I tune in -- that and the 'story' -- you WANT him to succeed. You want him to do well and go to GM, and every time he busts out Tenacious D's "Master Exploder" and interacts with the chat you can just feel the energy. He's a showman that you can relate to and want to succeed. I hope that is what people take away from this pick-up.
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Just to clarify something, I'm going to copy/paste a reddit post from the QuanticMaximusBlack thread.
Since there seems to be a little confusion, just to clarify: Jeff is joining us as a media personality, not as a professional-level player. Through the Academy, he does seek to eventually reach pro status in the future and we want to help him reach that goal.
There you go, haters.
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Excellent replacement for naniwa, he'll slide into his role with ease  .
I kid gl on quantic maximus.
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I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_-
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I can also vouch for what MB adds to the community. Almost a year ago, I had just picked up Starcraft 2, and had absolutely no idea what I was doing. I literally knew nothing about the game. One of my buddies, who to this day still despises Starcraft, saw a When Cheese Fails video on youtube and, knowing how I was trying to get into SC2, sent me the video. That night I watched every episode of WCF that was on the LAGTV youtube channel at the time, and those videos brought me into the Starcraft community. Since then, I've spent countless hours watching pro streamers and Day9 dailies trying to improve my play. I've made it a habit to check TeamLiquid multiple times a day so I don't miss anything. I even stayed up all night to watch the GSTL finals and then went on a two hour road trip for my brothers birthday. In 2 weeks, I'll be going to my first MLG (just as a spectator, though). This introduction to basically an entire community I never even knew existed, was all thanks to MaximusBlack and NovaWar and their LAGTV channel. So to MB, I just want to say good luck with Quantic. I'll continue to support you as long as you're still doing this. Bouse one time.
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On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_-
Stream then and see.
Can you bring in enough viewers that WANT you to succeed to get coaching/help from the Quantic Academy? It is a personality pick-up and Jeff will certainly be improving in this environment.
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awesome news!)_
GL Jeff, you can do it.
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On August 11 2012 03:26 Saronix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_- Stream then and see. Can you bring in enough viewers that WANT you to succeed to get coaching/help from the Quantic Academy? It is a personality pick-up and Jeff will certainly be improving in this environment. I was joking lol xD. but I have beat him twice :p
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On August 11 2012 02:54 lolspoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:30 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 11 2012 02:23 worked13 wrote:On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
picking up flo because she is female And so begins the discussion of females being used as marketing tools in professional gaming. they really are unless they are scarlett. scarlett is good, flo is cute as fuck. we don't really hear from her so it's safe to assume that quantic has no plans for her for the time being. same goes for that julia-girl, i havent heard from her in months now. quantic is obviously only interested in maximus because of exposure and to further increase its fanbase. sure they have this "academy" thing, but that's really just their way of supporting their players and hope they get better. it's not like any of them will tear down mlg or iem anytime soon. No he doesnt. yes, he does. Wow, looking at your posts here in this thread you are clearly jelly or something. No he doesnt, guess you havent seen him play and in a while, or wasnt following him when he bought desrow a plain ticket and let him stay in his house so he could coach him for a week, or you never watch the stream for more than 3 hours. Please get your facts straight
whatever man, have it your way. the facts are on the table, take it or leave it. oh, and as a matter of fact, i did watch his stream when desrow was present. that was the first time in half a year i had seen him not 4gate all day.
also, "looking at your posts here in this thread you are cleaerly jelly", lol. you have an interesting understanding of jealousy, buddy.
Be quiet. You're obviously a hipocrit and have some bone to pick with Maximus Black. Your favorite team is ROOT? Were you shitting on CatZ after picking up Athene? Obvious publicity stunt. Were you shitting on ROOT after picking up a DOTA squad? Obvious publicity stunt, their "team" is a bunch of no names who don't even have a 50% win ratio. I could go pick 5 random high level DOTA players and make a better team. Did you shit all over SlayerS and ST for picking up female players in what could only be hurting E-Sports because there are better players? For all the crap you want to direct at MaximusBlack, he is streaming daily, with a good number of viewers and obviously has some shred of dedication to the game. I agree, he will most likely never post tournament results, but neither will 85% of the pro scene
whatever you're smoking, i want some.
Show nested quote +Since there seems to be a little confusion, just to clarify: Jeff is joining us as a media personality, not as a professional-level player. Through the Academy, he does seek to eventually reach pro status in the future and we want to help him reach that goal. There you go, haters.
"haters".. as opposed to what everyones been saying from teh start. maximusblack = public figure, not professional gamer. inb4 "but he makes money, bla, bla" yea, yea, you get my drift.
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On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_-
Become one of the most popular Youtube personalities of all time, plus become one of the most popular Twitch steamers of all time. Then maybe.
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On August 11 2012 03:27 XercesSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_- Become one of the most popular Youtube personalities of all time, plus become one of the most popular Twitch steamers of all time. Then maybe. I was joking =]
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On August 11 2012 03:27 XercesSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_- Become one of the most popular Youtube personalities of all time, plus become one of the most popular Twitch steamers of all time. Then maybe.
actually, forget what i wrote before. i want something of whatever you're smoking.
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On August 11 2012 03:08 BlitzerSC wrote:To me it seems obivous that quantic picked him up only because of his fanbase. Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:58 SupLilSon wrote:On August 11 2012 02:38 pStar wrote:On August 11 2012 02:33 kurono0 wrote:
He has a goal and he doesnt care about what other people think of him. He has fun playing the game at the highest level he can be. He is someone great for e-sports and it's good that he can be in a team where he can practice better. He is not good for esports. Just go to NA GM and pick a player and he will place better than Maximus in any tournament he enters. If NA teams keep doing this (it may be beneficial to them now) there won't be a scene in 1-2 years time. Be quiet. You're obviously a hipocrit and have some bone to pick with Maximus Black. Your favorite team is ROOT? Were you shitting on CatZ after picking up Athene? Obvious publicity stunt. Were you shitting on ROOT after picking up a DOTA squad? Obvious publicity stunt, their "team" is a bunch of no names who don't even have a 50% win ratio. I could go pick 5 random high level DOTA players and make a better team. Did you shit all over SlayerS and ST for picking up female players in what could only be hurting E-Sports because there are better players? For all the crap you want to direct at MaximusBlack, he is streaming daily, with a good number of viewers and obviously has some shred of dedication to the game. I agree, he will most likely never post tournament results, but neither will 85% of the pro scene. Actually ROOTBlitz is pretty fuckin good.
My post was dripping with sarcasm. I don't find anything wrong with ROOT's decisions, I actually watch Koreya a fair amount. Was just pointing out that every other team does this kind of stuff, it's called marketing. Look at any traditional sports organization. Your favorite football club? Yea they arent sustained soley on tournament winnings. They most likely make a ton of revenue through merchandizing/advertising/endorsement, all sorts of methods not related to the sheer strength of the team. Quantic has always been involved in more than purely the competitive aspect of SC2. They have their competitive players in good practicing environments, so it makes sense to focus on being able to sustain that.
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On August 11 2012 03:29 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:27 XercesSC2 wrote:On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_- Become one of the most popular Youtube personalities of all time, plus become one of the most popular Twitch steamers of all time. Then maybe. actually, forget what i wrote before. i want something of whatever you're smoking.
Talking about Starcraft 2 content, ofcourse.
Also, crack.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
I think it's quite clear that they're not picking him up for his play.
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On August 11 2012 03:30 XercesSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:29 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 11 2012 03:27 XercesSC2 wrote:On August 11 2012 03:19 GHSTxJet wrote:
I beat MaximusBlack twice on ladder can I be on Quantic? -_- Become one of the most popular Youtube personalities of all time, plus become one of the most popular Twitch steamers of all time. Then maybe. actually, forget what i wrote before. i want something of whatever you're smoking. Talking about Starcraft 2 content, ofcourse. Also, crack.
that makes more sense then, haha.
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On August 11 2012 03:27 Tom Cruise wrote:
whatever you're smoking, i want some.
Diamond League Headies... not even that good tbh.. come to MD and I might be able to hook it up.
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On August 11 2012 03:33 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:27 Tom Cruise wrote:
whatever you're smoking, i want some.
Diamond League Headies... not even that good tbh.. come to MD and I might be able to hook it up.
i have no idea what you just wrote, but it's all good.
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Awesome. I love the stream and I'm hoping he can get past his mental blocks and improve to GM level, and I think this will help him on his way.
If he were a bit better, I could actually see Quantic using him as a team league sniper, since very few pros would know who he is or how he plays and his all-ins are usually pretty strong (almost beat MVP with one, for example).
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Sucks that xSix just started selling their MaximusBlack shirts too.
Kind of a weird pickup by Quantic.
I don't exactly agree with the decision.
Check-Six is losing some of their main players recently. Sleep, Suppy, now Maximus. Wonder what's going to happen with them.
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On August 11 2012 03:46 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Awesome. I love the stream and I'm hoping he can get past his mental blocks and improve to GM level, and I think this will help him on his way.
If he were a bit better, I could actually see Quantic using him as a team league sniper, since very few pros would know who he is or how he plays and his all-ins are usually pretty strong (almost beat MVP with one, for example).
While I love his stream for the entertainment, his all-ins tend to be late and mistimed. If his all-ins were that strong, he would be more highly rated on the ladder.
Hopefully he can dedicate himself to improving the glaring holes in some of his gameplay, but at this point he is purely an entertainer for Quantic like maximus mentioned in his post.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
This, sorry but if Quantic is going down this route instead of picking up worthwhile talent...
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Really don't like this...I mean he is popular for being an entertainer, and he is really good at that. To join a professional team when you really ( no offense Maximus ) don't have the potential to become a professional competitive player is just silly. Its almost as if it is making a mockery of the pro system. I mean football/basketball/rugby teams pickup players for their skill, not for their personality. But if you look at a team like ROOT gaming, they have all these awesome personalities on their roster. Even though they do not have the highest skill level of player and aren't winning tournaments or doing well in the GSL, everyone loves them for their quality of entertainment they bring to the table.
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On August 11 2012 04:13 Skiblet wrote:
Really don't like this...I mean he is popular for being an entertainer, and he is really good at that. To join a professional team when you really ( no offense Maximus ) don't have the potential to become a professional competitive player is just silly. Its almost as if it is making a mockery of the pro system. I mean football/basketball/rugby teams pickup players for their skill, not for their personality. But if you look at a team like ROOT gaming, they have all these awesome personalities on their roster. Even though they do not have the highest skill level of player and aren't winning tournaments or doing well in the GSL, everyone loves them for their quality of entertainment they bring to the table.
For as much as we hate on KESPA and Blizzard, there's no doubting that in Korea only the best players could get a progamer license. I'm sure the pro teams would separate from the casual ones if players required more investment.
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I have played max many times.. good pickup, good luck!
Quantic is picking up talent and the community gives them crap(mostly from bronze kids who color while watching max stream)
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Ugliest and funniest pic ever. Regardless..grats.
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what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some.
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On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some.
desWOW tried to eat him so things got a bit hairy between the two
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On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some.
He did coach him, why?
Did something else happen afterwards? o.o
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On August 11 2012 04:32 AcesAnoka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. desWOW tried to eat him so things got a bit hairy between the two
quite unneccesary
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Congrats MB! Another good step on your Quest to GM
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I don't really use reddit but people were mentioning some thread there so I poked around ... MaximusBlack's post in this thread here is literally copypasta of his comment on reddit. Or vice-versa, who knows. Seriously? Put some effort in man.
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This maximum pigmented bouse has something many others don't. His stream is always a lot of fun. Congrats for moving forward !
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On August 11 2012 04:38 pigmanbear wrote:
I don't really use reddit but people were mentioning some thread there so I poked around ... MaximusBlack's post in this thread here is literally copypasta of his comment on reddit. Or vice-versa, who knows. Seriously? Put some effort in man.
Wow, someone is actually mad.
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You never know when people will shine. Some people just need a spotlight for the extra umph. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt though, in anyway; good luck.
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Congrats Jeff! Great pickup for Quantic
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okay heres how it works for those wondering why he got signed
Quantic = Business
Streaming = Viewers
Maximusblack = Usually over 1k viewers when streaming
Maximusblack = is a mediocre masters player at this point in Sc2 after playing thousands of games and in various Lan events.
Maximusblack with no stream probably doesn't get signed into Quantic or an academy.
Quantic signing Maximusblack = 1k+ more people knowing of Quantic assuming they didn't already.
Maximusblack = expendable after his contract is up since those viewers will then know of Quantic and I highly doubt he'll improve to a competitive level. (Many EU,KR,NA GM's without being on a team at Quantic's level and are far better then him so please don't try to tell me hes going to become Sase by being with Quantic when hes still midmasters at this point of Sc2)
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On August 11 2012 04:43 XercesSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:38 pigmanbear wrote:
I don't really use reddit but people were mentioning some thread there so I poked around ... MaximusBlack's post in this thread here is literally copypasta of his comment on reddit. Or vice-versa, who knows. Seriously? Put some effort in man. Wow, someone is actually mad.
Cats and dogs understand things through the spectrum of "glad" and "mad." If you're not feeding them, you must be mad at them. If you pet them, you're happy with them. Oh, you fed them? Now you're happy. No treat? Must be mad ...
Maybe I'm not mad but I thought it was lazy to copy-paste the message that way.
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Gratz for both ! Cool pickup!
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Quantic?
Holy shit I did NOT think it would be Quantic. GRATS BOUSE! AND GOOD LUCK!
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On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some.
He said he felt a bit mistreated, I guess that was because desrow was really harshly critizising him and not that much appreciating what he had to say. But MaximusBlack said that things calmed down and they're still friends.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
Pretty much spot on. Personality goes further than skill in the foreign sc2 scene.
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Still, considering how much he has improved the last 6 months and the fact that he seems quite dedicated He could be heading towards some better results in the future.
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Grats, Maybe he will later be able to take the step from personality/billboard to kicking ass and taking names with the academy.
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Congrats to both QuanticGaming and MaximusBlack!
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Congrats Jeff!!!!!! You will have a great bunch of people to play and practice with. Nevermind all the haters. They just be hatin because they want your life. Good luck and make it to masters!
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On August 11 2012 04:59 BOILINGWATER wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. Pretty much spot on. Personality goes further than skill in the foreign sc2 scene.
More like north american scene..
on topic: Well, he seems a good entertainer (just checked his stream after this thread showed up and he was dancing, signing, ..) and that's basicly it. Gratz and goodluck to both parties nonetheless.
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I played this guy in diamond a few months ago and it was the most pathetic attempt at a cannon rush ive ever seen. Why people care about this guy I'll never know. In my opinion a talentless hack.
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On August 11 2012 05:12 drgonzhere wrote:
I played this guy in diamond a few months ago and it was the most pathetic attempt at a cannon rush ive ever seen. Why people care about this guy I'll never know. In my opinion a talentless hack.
To be fair, when a cannon rush doesn't work, it always looks pathetic (unless gaulzi's doing it; then it's tragic and heroic).
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On August 11 2012 05:08 ibo422 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:59 BOILINGWATER wrote:On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway. Pretty much spot on. Personality goes further than skill in the foreign sc2 scene. More like north american scene.. on topic: Well, he seems a good entertainer (just checked his stream after this thread showed up and he was dancing, signing, ..) and that's basicly it. Gratz and goodluck to both parties nonetheless.
And you wonder why the North American teams are the richest teams despite everyone telling them they never post results...
Hmm... I wonder..
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I love this. So much. Congrats to MB, Quantic is a stable team with the means to help him grow as a player. This is like triumph of the nerds. Epic win for Jeff. Actually, epic win for Quantic and Razer, too.
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On August 11 2012 05:21 ridethecatbus wrote:
I love this. So much. Congrats to MB, Quantic is a stable team with the means to help him grow as a player. This is like triumph of the nerds. Epic win for Jeff. Actually, epic win for Quantic and Razer, too.
though it's not in the interest of quantic to see him grow.
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maximus works so hard at getting better, he deserves getting picked up by a team like quantic
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On August 11 2012 05:22 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:21 ridethecatbus wrote:
I love this. So much. Congrats to MB, Quantic is a stable team with the means to help him grow as a player. This is like triumph of the nerds. Epic win for Jeff. Actually, epic win for Quantic and Razer, too. though it's not in the interest of quantic to see him grow.
You posted here 7 times. Your fixation on Maximus pleases me. How mad u are.
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It's a point of teams to be fostering talent, as opposed to just picking up the latest winner of "X" tournament.
Not to mention it makes a good story, when someone overcomes strife and naysayers, to rise up and discover their potential.
I wish him good luck in his journey!
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hey Quantic, im a nice guy, doesnt stream but i have an awesome personality! sign me?
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On August 11 2012 05:40 ridethecatbus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:22 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 11 2012 05:21 ridethecatbus wrote:
I love this. So much. Congrats to MB, Quantic is a stable team with the means to help him grow as a player. This is like triumph of the nerds. Epic win for Jeff. Actually, epic win for Quantic and Razer, too. though it's not in the interest of quantic to see him grow. You posted here 7 times. Your fixation on Maximus pleases me. How mad u are.
yes, i must be mad because i've posted in this thread 7 times thus far.
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Good to hear, should make for some higher quality internet televisioning.
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What's with all the foreign teams being nothing but a bunch of booth boys/girls?
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Oh, wow. Congrats, Jeff! And to think, one of our boys from little 'ol Halifax...
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people question why you would pick someone up for personality but in anything you need personality in order to keep it entertaining who wants to watch a bunch of dry players. No need to hate on someone who genuinely wants to improve his game and is working hard to find ways to do just that.
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand.
SaSe and the partnership with ST are the only reasons now that Quantic can be seen as a serious team which concentrates on talent/ strong players. Thought this team was gonna be different after they picked up Apoc, SaSe and Naniwa but I guess I was wrong.. the merge with Vile, picking up flo because she is female and now this is something I can't relate myself to. I am kind of dissappointed, because Quantic used to be my favorite foreign team for a long time.
i agree with you but nowadays, teams want media attention in order to grow :/
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From idra
"congrats to quantic for finding a suitable replacement for Naniwa."
I laughed!
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Quantic rely more on popularity now. More popular than good players to be honest, at least that's my opinion, people might disagree.
Good luck tho!
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On August 11 2012 05:37 Chamby wrote:
maximus works so hard at getting better, he deserves getting picked up by a team like quantic
i work hard to get better but i still suck balls, do i deserve it too? ;/
im happy for him as an entertainer, he seems to get plenty of viewers for whatever it is he does (i dont watch) and im sure razer want to get in on that action. he isnt their first personality who has been very far away from pro level.
on the added comments of 'working towards becoming pro level', thats great and all, but i dont see it as a realistic goal, being master on NA ladder is nice and stuff, but thats nowhere even close to being competitive. he will need to work his ass off for months and months if he wants to get anywhere, thats a lot of commitment.
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I don't like the idea of teams contracting people as players that aren't actually going to contribute to making that team a better SC2 squad (namely Quantic here and CheckSix with Ailuj).
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The only thing that bothers me in this thread is that a lot of people seem to have a basic missunderstanding of what a "professional" really is. In short a professional is someone who get's paid for a certain set of skills or a certain thing that he or she does. MaximusBlack makes his living by playing Starcraft 2 full time, and apparentely he is not doing too bad, which makes him a professional Starcraft 2 player. It really takes a lot of dedication and courage to make such a step, especially when you are far from playing at the top level. (he has to make that lack of skill up otherwise, which he does somehow with his personality) I'm actually certain that some posters in this thread are better players than MB, but they lack the courage, the dedication, and the balls to say to themselves "I'm going to make a living out of this and I will do everything that is necessary to accomplish it". This attitude also separates pros from wannabes. What I'm trying to say here is: MB deserves respect (and not for his level of play), he is a SC2 pro player (he makes his living playing SC2), and therfore it is not really surprising that a team picked up someone who plays SC2 professionally. (but not for his level of play)
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Wow, how can people read this as he's signed as a player? He's a caster with ambitions to become a better player to make him better at his job.
On August 11 2012 06:23 Dosey wrote:
What's with all the foreign teams being nothing but a bunch of booth boys/girls?
You mean American teams. Don't make it sound like European teams are doing this.
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On August 11 2012 07:16 Mr Showtime wrote:
I don't like the idea of teams contracting people as players that aren't actually going to contribute to making that team a better SC2 squad (namely Quantic here and CheckSix with Ailuj).
If thats the case we can make a huge list of players that are on pro teams and have around 30% win rate and talk bad about the other players, i dont wanna say names but its a huge list, when there is people that are better than them and they arent on a team.
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On August 11 2012 07:17 Sorkoas wrote:Wow, how can people read this as he's signed as a player? He's a caster with ambitions to become a better player to make him better at his job. Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:23 Dosey wrote:
What's with all the foreign teams being nothing but a bunch of booth boys/girls? You mean American teams. Don't make it sound like European teams are doing this.
Well... that's partly due to the fact that a majority of European pros lack a personality to exploit -_-
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My friend has beaten him on ladder, I have passed him on ladder, and he only 4 gates or DT rushes. To put my thoughts bluntly, I sincerely think, with no racism: + Show Spoiler +(if you're easily offended by messages taken in multiple ways don't open even though I already stated I have no intention of being racist + Show Spoiler +He's on the team due to him being black, much like some girls are on a team due to being a girl
As a player who has tried joining teams that are entry level, being behind the top players on those teams, who also are trying to get further, in GM and high masters get passed up by a low masters 4 gating Protoss is fucking bullshit IMO. Some have argued Flo isn't Pro-quality as well, and she has even admitted on stream that she is on due to being a Female, but she's at least high masters an beating GMs, she may not win MLGs but she can still compete well enough.
i work hard to get better but i still suck balls, do i deserve it too? ;/
im happy for him as an entertainer, he seems to get plenty of viewers for whatever it is he does (i dont watch) and im sure razer want to get in on that action. he isnt their first personality who has been very far away from pro level.
on the added comments of 'working towards becoming pro level', thats great and all, but i dont see it as a realistic goal, being master on NA ladder is nice and stuff, but thats nowhere even close to being competitive. he will need to work his ass off for months and months if he wants to get anywhere, thats a lot of commitment.
Also this is a great point. I have dedicated almost all my free time for a year to go from no competitive RTS experience (playing command and conquer skirmishes and WC3 customs don't count as competitive) starting from bronze doing 6 gate 2 robo 2 SG off 2 base PVT, to being a high masters on NA was probably the hardest work I've ever done, and now I'm not even done, I'm STILL practicing and working harder to get what one can call GOOD. People defend Max because he is a personality that is kind hearted over trolling (IE incontrol), and completely ignore that regardless of "hard work", he still sucks. I've worked harder at being a player than he has and I'm still teamless, and better than him.
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On August 11 2012 07:23 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:17 Sorkoas wrote:Wow, how can people read this as he's signed as a player? He's a caster with ambitions to become a better player to make him better at his job. On August 11 2012 06:23 Dosey wrote:
What's with all the foreign teams being nothing but a bunch of booth boys/girls? You mean American teams. Don't make it sound like European teams are doing this. Well... that's partly due to the fact that a majority of European pros lack a personality to exploit -_-
Not as much as the English knowledge. Stop trying to defend US by make them look more outgoing or something lol you have to realize you can't generalize like that. It's really ignorant.
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On August 11 2012 07:29 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:23 Dosey wrote:On August 11 2012 07:17 Sorkoas wrote:Wow, how can people read this as he's signed as a player? He's a caster with ambitions to become a better player to make him better at his job. On August 11 2012 06:23 Dosey wrote:
What's with all the foreign teams being nothing but a bunch of booth boys/girls? You mean American teams. Don't make it sound like European teams are doing this. Well... that's partly due to the fact that a majority of European pros lack a personality to exploit -_- Not as much as the English knowledge. Stop trying to defend US by make them look more outgoing or something lol you have to realize you can't generalize like that. It's really ignorant.
But Khaldor, 2gd, and so on have no personality!!!11!1one
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On August 11 2012 07:29 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:23 Dosey wrote:On August 11 2012 07:17 Sorkoas wrote:Wow, how can people read this as he's signed as a player? He's a caster with ambitions to become a better player to make him better at his job. On August 11 2012 06:23 Dosey wrote:
What's with all the foreign teams being nothing but a bunch of booth boys/girls? You mean American teams. Don't make it sound like European teams are doing this. Well... that's partly due to the fact that a majority of European pros lack a personality to exploit -_- Not as much as the English knowledge. Stop trying to defend US by make them look more outgoing or something lol you have to realize you can't generalize like that. It's really ignorant.
I'm defending nothing. You're the one who responded with a trollish remark and I responded in kind. It seems that my comment may have actually hit home, when yours did not
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Unfortunately, being an extrovert and having a "personality" is what society wants and is marketable and being an introvert is shunned at, which is funny because real sports market the best of the best--the champions, and don't care for having personality, or at least its secondary to having actual results/championships.
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dont see why people are giving quantic hate for signing maximus, there are no high profile pros in there price range they need to spread there brand and get more sponsors so they can actually afford to sign the good players
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On August 11 2012 07:40 Forikorder wrote:
dont see why people are giving quantic hate for signing maximus, there are no high profile pros in there price range they need to spread there brand and get more sponsors so they can actually afford to sign the good players
He's low-mid masters....
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You guys make it seem like he is joining as a player, which is definately not true. On his stream he made it clear, that his role is in the media side of things, hes not part of the players budget. He even said he wouldn't want to take the opportunity away from another good player that is up and coming. You guys are giving too much hate, yes he isnt good, but thats not the reason hes on the team. As a personality and then he has more options, into perhaps becoming a professional player or caster.
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congrats to the Bouse!
everyone hating is just jealous they can't get paid to play Starcraft, Minecraft, and IWBTG....heck, even Mario earns him cash-money
way to go Jeff!
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Seems like alot of undue hate going towards a pick up, Has MB in anyway done anything to the community for this hate?
HAS he done anything for the community at all?
The answers to the questions are obvious, and anything above and beyond that is just conjecture of what QUANTIC has done, they decided to pick him up, noone would turn down thew opportunity for what it would do to their SC2 careers, so (and im pretty objective, as I haven't watched much if any of MB, ) why is this hate being directed at him.
If anything the derision should be directed at Quantic, not MB for their decision, as MB's decision is the most cut and dry one that anybody looking to become a professional could make.
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Those complaining about Quantic's move are ignoring the fact that this scene rewards personalities over skill and will continue to do so in the near future.
Still, I'm very happy for him
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On August 11 2012 06:57 OpTiKDream wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand.
SaSe and the partnership with ST are the only reasons now that Quantic can be seen as a serious team which concentrates on talent/ strong players. Thought this team was gonna be different after they picked up Apoc, SaSe and Naniwa but I guess I was wrong.. the merge with Vile, picking up flo because she is female and now this is something I can't relate myself to. I am kind of dissappointed, because Quantic used to be my favorite foreign team for a long time. i agree with you but nowadays, teams want media attention in order to grow :/
Recently signing The_StC and Golden doesn't bolster their player base at all? I'm sure they acquired those players for the sake of media attention and not because they're great players. rofl
Good luck to Maximus and Quantic ^^'
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LoL...... Wow Can i join EG?? IS TL picking up?? Maybe i should down grade my skill level and maybe Team ST will invite me. I ain't a hater but Maximus Black is pretty trash. He is low masters at best. It sad........................................... AND DEGRADING LIKE MY GRAMMAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR AND SPELLING
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Forgive my ignorance, but he is trying to be a pro? I've only ever seen screenshots of him dressed in silly costumes. I assumed he was just messing around with a SC stream. GL though, I'm guessing everyone will get what they want out of the deal.
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On August 11 2012 08:58 cruxArked wrote:
LoL...... Wow Can i join EG?? IS TL picking up?? Maybe i should down grade my skill level and maybe Team ST will invite me.
what does this has to do with the topic?
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand.
SaSe and the partnership with ST are the only reasons now that Quantic can be seen as a serious team which concentrates on talent/ strong players. Thought this team was gonna be different after they picked up Apoc, SaSe and Naniwa but I guess I was wrong.. the merge with Vile, picking up flo because she is female and now this is something I can't relate myself to. I am kind of dissappointed, because Quantic used to be my favorite foreign team for a long time.
so true, quantic is becoming more and more complexity
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I am going to boycottttt Razer products. Im tired of teams and sponsors supporting noobs who don't deserve it. Anyways have a good day.
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On August 11 2012 07:44 Nightshade_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:40 Forikorder wrote:
dont see why people are giving quantic hate for signing maximus, there are no high profile pros in there price range they need to spread there brand and get more sponsors so they can actually afford to sign the good players He's low-mid masters....
And he is worth more to a team than some random foreign high masters/mid GM. Neither player will ever be competitive, but one already has a large fan base and pressence in the community. Guess which one that is. You really think some mid tier GM on EU or NA has any more of a shot vs. Koreans than MB? Makes me laugh. At least MB has accepted that and made himself successful in other spheres of SC2.
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On August 11 2012 09:04 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:44 Nightshade_ wrote:On August 11 2012 07:40 Forikorder wrote:
dont see why people are giving quantic hate for signing maximus, there are no high profile pros in there price range they need to spread there brand and get more sponsors so they can actually afford to sign the good players He's low-mid masters.... And he is worth more to a team than some random foreign high masters/mid GM. Neither player will ever be competitive, but one already has a large fan base and pressence in the community. Guess which one that is. You really think some mid tier GM on EU or NA has any more of a shot vs. Koreans than MB? Makes me laugh. At least MB has accepted that and made himself successful in other spheres of SC2.
I for one would get really excited to see qxg.gaulzi. Will it be a mothership rush or cannon rush? WHICH ONE??
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Razer has lost my business. Steel Series all the way from now on.
I absolutely can't stand teams that sign players for the publicity and popularity alone. I want to support players that actually strive to improve in this game and players we can see on a featured stage at an MLG or NASL. This player, however he chooses to rationalize the "hater's" hate, is none of these things. You can't 4 gate to win a dreamhack. MaximusBlack doesn't take constructive criticism well at all. I've seen his stream and he disregards every good piece of advice as "hate".
I "hate" to be the bearer of bad news, but this partnership will go nowhere. Your "good lucks" are better off used to get to the end of the rainbow.
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Definatly a step up. Congrats !
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mid masters in a pro house, why?
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MC is the boss toss Maximus is the bouse toss.
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Kaitokid wrote:
starting to dislike Quantic more and more :/ this is a pure marketing move as MaximusBlack shows 0 potential to become good.... even if he ever gets GM on NA which he is far away from rigthnow, so what? the 2nd reason to pick him up "he wants to become the best player he can be" seems more like an excuse to justify picking someone up purely because of his fanbase consisting of a bunch of low level players to help spreading your own brand.
SaSe and the partnership with ST are the only reasons now that Quantic can be seen as a serious team which concentrates on talent/ strong players. Thought this team was gonna be different after they picked up Apoc, SaSe and Naniwa but I guess I was wrong.. the merge with Vile, picking up flo because she is female and now this is something I can't relate myself to. I am kind of dissappointed, because Quantic used to be my favorite foreign team for a long time.
Agree with ya, but hey teams have to do what will get fans and please sponsors. From a purely sponsorship point, this deal wont be bad at all.
Saw him playing a couple customs with Destiny the other day, wasn't too impressed with his play... He made similar mistakes as I do in Gold lol, but oh well... Everyone can improve.
Team wise: It's all about Root now! RootNaniwa inc?
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Congrats MaximusBlack and Quantic.
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yeah!!! representing Nova scotia! i met him at a lan and hes a cool dude, glad hes on a sick team! gratz
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On August 11 2012 09:52 FlukyS wrote:
MC is the boss toss Maximus is the bouse toss.
Wow, what an awful post.
Anyways, I understand that they're signing him as a personality rather than a player. I first became a fan of MB through his Youtube work. Once WCF sort of died/went off, I lost interest in him rather fast. His stream IS interesting but I find myself watching it for the same reason I watch Orb's: To see them lose and then whine about balance.
MB is not a very good player at all, and I think many people would agree with me on that. His mechanics aren't good and he doesn't have a good understanding of the game in general. Which makes me think, why would they hire him as a caster?
Anyways, good-luck and all that stuff, but still not too happy about the pick-up.
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Those hating about teams picking up players for popularity....
IdrA.
Nuff said.
Those saying that the Bouse is a bad player, I believe that if he truly works hard and plays a lot and keeps working for it, I really believe that he could get to Grandmasters and eventually be able to compete with other top North American players. Do I think he will be much better than, say, iNcontroL or maybe someone like HuK, I doubt it, but HuK and iNcontroL are both very valuable players if nothing else for their contributions to the community.
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Grats Maximus
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On August 11 2012 07:27 Nightshade_ wrote:My friend has beaten him on ladder, I have passed him on ladder, and he only 4 gates or DT rushes. To put my thoughts bluntly, I sincerely think, with no racism: + Show Spoiler +(if you're easily offended by messages taken in multiple ways don't open even though I already stated I have no intention of being racist + Show Spoiler +He's on the team due to him being black, much like some girls are on a team due to being a girl As a player who has tried joining teams that are entry level, being behind the top players on those teams, who also are trying to get further, in GM and high masters get passed up by a low masters 4 gating Protoss is fucking bullshit IMO. Some have argued Flo isn't Pro-quality as well, and she has even admitted on stream that she is on due to being a Female, but she's at least high masters an beating GMs, she may not win MLGs but she can still compete well enough. Show nested quote +
i work hard to get better but i still suck balls, do i deserve it too? ;/
im happy for him as an entertainer, he seems to get plenty of viewers for whatever it is he does (i dont watch) and im sure razer want to get in on that action. he isnt their first personality who has been very far away from pro level.
on the added comments of 'working towards becoming pro level', thats great and all, but i dont see it as a realistic goal, being master on NA ladder is nice and stuff, but thats nowhere even close to being competitive. he will need to work his ass off for months and months if he wants to get anywhere, thats a lot of commitment.
Also this is a great point. I have dedicated almost all my free time for a year to go from no competitive RTS experience (playing command and conquer skirmishes and WC3 customs don't count as competitive) starting from bronze doing 6 gate 2 robo 2 SG off 2 base PVT, to being a high masters on NA was probably the hardest work I've ever done, and now I'm not even done, I'm STILL practicing and working harder to get what one can call GOOD. People defend Max because he is a personality that is kind hearted over trolling (IE incontrol), and completely ignore that regardless of "hard work", he still sucks. I've worked harder at being a player than he has and I'm still teamless, and better than him.
This has nothing to do with skill he is signed on as a media personality. Also can't help but feel that you are jealous he is being pay to play starcraft 2 and you are not despite being better player then him. By the way he has stop completly dt rushing and has cut down on his 4gate considerably.
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On August 11 2012 10:19 andy50 wrote:
*SNIPPY SNIPPY*
Also can't help but feel that you are jealous he is being pay to play starcraft 2 and you are not despite being better player then him. By the way he has stop completly dt rushing and has cut down on his 4gate considerably.
Agreed.
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As they say, personality goes a long way. The most vocal people in this thread don't seem to understand that.
And just for the record, I don't have any particular feelings about this piece of news.
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He is signed on as a fucking media personality, not as a player. So everyone whining about this can just shut the hell up. Maximus Black has worked incredibly hard to get to where he is now and this is great news or him. Stop filling this thread with your whiny bullshit.
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Regardless of the reasonsing, I'm happy he's progressing in the SC2 scene. GL MB!
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On August 11 2012 10:18 Psychonian wrote:
Those hating about teams picking up players for popularity....
IdrA.
Nuff said.
Those saying that the Bouse is a bad player, I believe that if he truly works hard and plays a lot and keeps working for it, I really believe that he could get to Grandmasters and eventually be able to compete with other top North American players. Do I think he will be much better than, say, iNcontroL or maybe someone like HuK, I doubt it, but HuK and iNcontroL are both very valuable players if nothing else for their contributions to the community.
Did you really just compare IdrA's play to the SC2 stylings of MaximusBlack? Seriously?? And HuK is "valuable" for his play 100 times more than for any value to the "community."
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Congrats Jeff and Quantic!
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On August 11 2012 10:18 Psychonian wrote:
Those hating about teams picking up players for popularity....
IdrA.
Nuff said.
Those saying that the Bouse is a bad player, I believe that if he truly works hard and plays a lot and keeps working for it, I really believe that he could get to Grandmasters and eventually be able to compete with other top North American players. Do I think he will be much better than, say, iNcontroL or maybe someone like HuK, I doubt it, but HuK and iNcontroL are both very valuable players if nothing else for their contributions to the community.
If I just read that correctly then you have problems. If you try to compare someone like HuK to a player with no potential like this guy.... Cmon man think. I understand incontrol...but HuK??? And HuK and the community don't make any sense.
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On August 11 2012 09:52 FlukyS wrote:
MC is the boss toss Maximus is the bouse toss.
Honestly as someone said above just no. MC's name should never appear in the same sentence as MB. Thats just like disrespectful to MC's actual proven title as "The Boss Toss" (which MC actually has earned with his library of builds and achievements.). Kind of seems like Desrow wasted his time coaching if someone can still only run 2 builds and expect to do well.
Moral of the story is dont go disrespecting someone's actual title he earned by winning tournaments, creating sick viable builds and having some awesome celebrations (ceremonies to others ) to an internet personality that cant even come close to touching MC as any kind of toss..
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On August 11 2012 11:08 Random_Guy09 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 09:52 FlukyS wrote:
MC is the boss toss Maximus is the bouse toss. Honestly as someone said above just no. MC's name should never appear in the same sentence as MB. Thats just like disrespectful to MC's actual proven title as "The Boss Toss" (which MC actually has earned with his library of builds and achievements.). Kind of seems like Desrow wasted his time coaching if someone can still only run 2 builds and expect to do well. Moral of the story is dont go disrespecting someone's actual title he earned by winning tournaments, creating sick viable builds and having some awesome celebrations (ceremonies to others ) to an internet personality that cant even come close to touching MC as any kind of toss..
The people that compare him to even a freaking semipro disgust me.
Fanboys man.
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I really don't understand what's so hard to understand about this pick up. It's a MEDIA pickup, not a player pickup (the parties involved have stated this themselves). As a media pickup, this is a very great pickup for Quantic. The whole Razer House thing just shows that MB just wants to try and keep up with his game knowledge as much as possible, even if he'll never be a pro (and I'm not trying to shit on MB by saying this will never happen, just showing how even the pessimistic side of the argument is stupid).
And sorry folks, but media sells way better than top players who barely interact with their audience or even stream (I.E. koreans). You want players to be able to go overseas to play tourneys? People like MB are needed to make that happen, to keep the money flowing to teams. Anyone saying MB is bad for "e-sports" is full of themselves and isn't looking at the bigger picture. Hell, since when did such a decent portion of the SC2 community turn into the portion of the FGC that thinks "e-sports" is hurting their "scene?" Would anyone saying that MB joining Quantic is hurting e-sports would also agree that InControl is as well (sorry InC, no disrespect, but you yourself have even touched on this subject)?
Anyways, gratz MB, and I hope you continue to see your business flourish.
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On August 11 2012 07:44 Nightshade_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:40 Forikorder wrote:
dont see why people are giving quantic hate for signing maximus, there are no high profile pros in there price range they need to spread there brand and get more sponsors so they can actually afford to sign the good players He's low-mid masters....
and Quantic is supposed to be one of the more legitimate, competitive teams.
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I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way)
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On August 11 2012 10:18 Psychonian wrote:
Those hating about teams picking up players for popularity....
IdrA.
Nuff said.
Those saying that the Bouse is a bad player, I believe that if he truly works hard and plays a lot and keeps working for it, I really believe that he could get to Grandmasters and eventually be able to compete with other top North American players. Do I think he will be much better than, say, iNcontroL or maybe someone like HuK, I doubt it, but HuK and iNcontroL are both very valuable players if nothing else for their contributions to the community.
Nuff said? Idra was by far the best foreign player when EG picked him up. This was before Jinro took that title.
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Ugh... more personality pick-ups... de-legitimizes the whole scene imo, especially when its a personality like this kid.
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You guys seriously need to relax. It's a personality pickup, which is a totally business-minded move. Nothing wrong with that - you've got the guys who win you tournaments and the guys who win you fans/viewers. He's a funny guy, seems to care about the game, I really don't get the angst.
Maybe it's all muddled by the fact that he's also participating in tournaments and the Razer Academy... but seriously. Chill.
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On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way)
He isnt a player. He is a media personality. *facepalm*
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On August 11 2012 10:18 Psychonian wrote:
Those hating about teams picking up players for popularity....
IdrA.
Nuff said.
Those saying that the Bouse is a bad player, I believe that if he truly works hard and plays a lot and keeps working for it, I really believe that he could get to Grandmasters and eventually be able to compete with other top North American players. Do I think he will be much better than, say, iNcontroL or maybe someone like HuK, I doubt it, but HuK and iNcontroL are both very valuable players if nothing else for their contributions to the community.
You do realize when EG picked up idra he was the best foreigner in both SC2 and BW and was the only foreigner actually able to compete with koreans at the time?
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On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way)
Dude i agree with you 100% ... whats your paypal. When I get my paycheck im going to send you the full amount
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On August 11 2012 12:40 andy50 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way) He isnt a player. He is a media personality. *facepalm*
Couldn't agree more KueKue & Andy. This brings all affiliated companies down a few levels in my book. They should put in tiny writing somewhere with an asterisk... *All invites will mostly be based on your popularity, not your skill... so if you are at progamer level of skill, you would still need to act like an idiot and have lots of people watch you for you to get in.
EDIT: I'm sure his "personality" is just what Quantic needs instead of more talented players... At least EG picked up Suppy. An actual talent.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
Yes excuse me if I don't take your point of view seriously. Doubt Quantic would waste money sending a personality to tournaments if they didn'tt believe he could bring results plus with his training at the Razor Academy he will more then likely only improve. So try being more optimistic man it doesn't pay to have such negative views.
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On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some.
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel.
After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel.
After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
$300 for "hush money"? Damn, that's cheap. I'm surprised he didn't just go 50/50 with you from the outset on the whole production; would've seemed like a decent and fair thing to do. It sounds like MaximusBlack took advantage of you not being so business-savvy about all of this, sadly this kind of stuff happens all the time. Live and learn, I guess.
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Uh wow. Obviously something happened between you guys but I don't think it's cool to trash him like that desrow.
He would have made some of that money streaming that week anyway.
And, he's more popular and thus in the stronger situation. You got more viewers after the event, yes?
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Just gonna throw in my 2 cents. I think companys will indeed make decisions that are right for them but as I see it right now StarCraft has a HUGE problem with cultivating new talent especially in North America, I am not sure about Europe or Korea. The Semi-Pro league is a good step but there are many GMs, High Masters, even Mid masters players with lots of time to invest into the game but no training partners (these are harder to find than you think, at least the ones with good mindset.)Nor, opportunities to market themselves. So yes I see where everyone's head scratching is coming from, but keep in mind I'm sure Quantic is looking at Maximus as an investment in content and community expansion.
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I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^
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On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^
? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point
He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it.
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On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it.
it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue.
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On August 11 2012 14:43 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it. it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue.
you wouldn't be top8 masters then
xenoSC is top gm and wins vs pros and he is recognized.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
Seems like he offered you a flat rate and the extra benefits and you accepted. The only mistake he made was letting you know the amounts of how much he made overall. That had nothing to do with you since you got paid what you agreed to.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
In the context of the scenario you are describing, asking someone for more money later on is an awkward way of doing business, as it was not part of the original deal. Sure it would have been a cool thing for Maximus to do; but he is not obligated too. If you were happy enough to accept the original offer, then pressuring someone for more money implies your mind is geared towards improving your current financial state; as opposed to recognizing that there was a flaw in your original negotiations, and introspecting as to how you could avoid such an outcome by objectively improving this aspect of your life. It seemed like you used the opinions of others to gain the confidence to justify/actuate such a non-progressive internal desire. As you are describing, the deal you agreed to did not include a parameter which scaled based on the revenue of Maximus' stream. I feel like you should calm down; I don't know exactly how Maximus reacted to the situation because your description is the only context... Since you claim he was being aggressive I assume that spawned from a defensive reaction that someone might have after being done with a week-long project, and feeling like they had already facilitated their end of the deal. I don't really know either of you; but I hope everyone calms down.
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On August 11 2012 14:35 Scufo wrote:
Uh wow. Obviously something happened between you guys but I don't think it's cool to trash him like that desrow.
He would have made some of that money streaming that week anyway.
And, he's more popular and thus in the stronger situation. You got more viewers after the event, yes?
100% agree. Plus most of that money was donations so he couldnt have planned to get that much. If you had already agreed on a number it's not exactly like he was obligated to pay you more if he had problems with what you did. And I don't think the money amount is any of TLs business.
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On August 11 2012 14:45 Candide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:43 LgNKami wrote:On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it. it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue. you wouldn't be top8 masters then xenoSC is top gm and wins vs pros and he is recognized.
I never said im perfect, I lose games too..
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
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wtf dude? You agreed to 500$ plus, then he gave you MORE with the mic that was not even asked for and then AFTER the fact you come back looking for more and more??
That's not how you do business dude. Jeff Paid you for your services. End of story,
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On August 11 2012 14:47 WhalesFromSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite. In the context of the scenario you are describing, asking someone for more money later on is an awkward way of doing business, as it was not part of the original deal. Sure it would have been a cool thing for Maximus to do; but he is not obligated too. If you were happy enough to accept the original offer, then pressuring someone for more money implies your mind is geared towards improving your current financial state; as opposed to recognizing that there was a flaw in your original negotiations, and introspecting as to how you could avoid such an outcome by objectively improving this aspect of your life. It seemed like you used the opinions of others to gain the confidence to justify/actuate such a non-progressive internal desire. As you are describing, the deal you agreed to did not include a parameter which scaled based on the revenue of Maximus' stream. I feel like you should calm down; I don't know exactly how Maximus reacted to the situation because your description is the only context... Since you claim he was being aggressive I assume that spawned from a defensive reaction that someone might have after being done with a week-long project, and feeling like they had already facilitated their end of the deal. I don't really know either of you; but I hope everyone calms down.
It sounds more to me like desrow isn't that experienced a businessman and got swindled, and then clumsily tried to get a fair cut. Is MaximusBlack legally in the right? Of course, but it isn't very classy move by MB nonetheless.
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whoa i never realized any of this ever happened :/
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Wow Desrow, that sounds like a pretty shitty thing to do.
I mean how would you feel if you made a deal with someone, fufil your end of the bargain (+ give a 70$ mic), then a couple of weeks later the guy is asking you for more money & when you don't give him any he goes & tries to sabotage a great opportunity you have. You would be so pissed, & probably the 1st one to come here & complain.
The guy had no idea he would make that much money. Essentially he took a risk. His project could have failed & he could have made less money then it cost to pay you, & you would have still wanted him to keep his end of the bargain no? And rightly so might I add.
Would you have waived the money he promised you if he wouldn't have made enough money? Of course not & why should you. I dunno man, as far as I'm concerned you pulled a dick/greedy move here & you've lost my esteem (but that's not important). From what you said, it looks like your ""friends"" are the ones who got into your head & made you think you were getting ripped off. Don't listen to them man, they are either jealous of you or jealous of the other guy (maximus).
How could you go & sabotage that guys deal? Can you imagine how outraged & disgusted you would be if someone did that to you? Next time you should, instead of getting paid a fixed fee, ask for a share of the profits/donations. But once again, if you do that you'll be taking a risk, much like that other guy (Maximus, damn I keep forgetting his name) did.
Come on Desrow. Apologize to the man for trying to sabotage his deal & move on. Keep training, kicking ass, & being the nice guy you promised you would start being. Stuff like this will on ly make the haters hate you more, & possible partners/teams/tournaments not want to work with you even more.
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On August 11 2012 14:51 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:47 WhalesFromSpace wrote:On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite. In the context of the scenario you are describing, asking someone for more money later on is an awkward way of doing business, as it was not part of the original deal. Sure it would have been a cool thing for Maximus to do; but he is not obligated too. If you were happy enough to accept the original offer, then pressuring someone for more money implies your mind is geared towards improving your current financial state; as opposed to recognizing that there was a flaw in your original negotiations, and introspecting as to how you could avoid such an outcome by objectively improving this aspect of your life. It seemed like you used the opinions of others to gain the confidence to justify/actuate such a non-progressive internal desire. As you are describing, the deal you agreed to did not include a parameter which scaled based on the revenue of Maximus' stream. I feel like you should calm down; I don't know exactly how Maximus reacted to the situation because your description is the only context... Since you claim he was being aggressive I assume that spawned from a defensive reaction that someone might have after being done with a week-long project, and feeling like they had already facilitated their end of the deal. I don't really know either of you; but I hope everyone calms down. It sounds more to me like desrow isn't that experienced a businessman and got swindled, and then clumsily tried to get a fair cut. Is MaximusBlack legally in the right? Of course, but it isn't very classy move by MB nonetheless.
uh this sounds like blackmail lol. desrow got what was previously agreed upon, then after tried to pull maximus' heart strings to give him more money, and then when maximus was understandably like "uh wtf bro" he goes behind the scenes to try to sabatoge maximus' reputation with people who employ him? and then EVEN THOUGH maximus gave him more money, he still goes public?
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On August 11 2012 14:50 Logun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
. wtf dude? You agreed to 500$ plus, then he gave you MORE with the mic that was not even asked for and then AFTER the fact you come back looking for more and more?? That's not how you do business dude. Jeff Paid you for your services. End of story,
If MaximusBlack is streaming and there's something negative about him on reddit or TL, seems like we're always guaranteed some little flash mob...
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On August 11 2012 14:48 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:45 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:43 LgNKami wrote:On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it. it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue. you wouldn't be top8 masters then xenoSC is top gm and wins vs pros and he is recognized. I never said im perfect, I lose games too..
are you actually reading anything he's typing? you claimed to be top 8 masters "playing against pros", he states another GM player(who is more likely to play pros) wins vs pros and is recognized and you are replying with a sentence that doesnt say anything.
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Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible.
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Can we leave all this fucking petty high-school drama behind? Just ignore desWOW if you don't like what he has to say; that said, his comments don't belong here either.
Both parties are getting WAY too worked up over this, just fucking let it blow over.
edit: MB why didn't you fucking lay out the rules for desWOW before all this shit started? You know the type of person he is and the types of jokes he makes. You get surprised he makes a joke about your fiance? I'm not condoning it at all but jesus christ don't act like this is a shocking revelation.
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On August 11 2012 14:55 DougJDempsey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:48 LgNKami wrote:On August 11 2012 14:45 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:43 LgNKami wrote:On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it. it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue. you wouldn't be top8 masters then xenoSC is top gm and wins vs pros and he is recognized. I never said im perfect, I lose games too.. are you actually reading anything he's typing? you claimed to be top 8 masters "playing against pros", he states another GM player(who is more likely to play pros) wins vs pros and is recognized and you are replying with a sentence that doesnt say anything.
lol you're taking it too far. this thread is about maximusblack, not me. if you want to talk to me, pm me. thanks.
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On August 11 2012 14:55 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:50 Logun wrote:On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
. wtf dude? You agreed to 500$ plus, then he gave you MORE with the mic that was not even asked for and then AFTER the fact you come back looking for more and more?? That's not how you do business dude. Jeff Paid you for your services. End of story, If MaximusBlack is streaming and there's something negative about him on reddit or TL, seems like we're always guaranteed some little flash mob...
....? I stand by my comment. imo it's pretty black and white
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On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible.
Why are you bringing other people into this? For the record, lastshadow has a long history of pissing people off.
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On August 11 2012 12:40 andy50 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way) He isnt a player. He is a media personality. *facepalm*
I was venting -.- Read the bottom. The PUBLICITY (Media) type of sponsoring is going to lead to a ton of phone-calls. I was just venting/screwing around mang
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Wow Desrow -_-, I just heard what Jeff said. I lost major respect from you Desrow
Also congrats Jeff on joining Quantic & Razer Academy, you were the first player I met at NASL, I hope to see you again =)
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On August 11 2012 14:58 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Why are you bringing other people into this? For the record, lastshadow has a long history of pissing people off.
MaximusBlack just revealed the entire thing on his stream, and part of his reasoning was Desrow going on a large rant about LastShadow, revealing personal details about him and forcing MaximusBlack to delete 8 hours worth of content on his channel because LastShadow was pissed about it and he didn't want the drama.
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On August 11 2012 14:58 Logun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:55 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2012 14:50 Logun wrote:On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
. wtf dude? You agreed to 500$ plus, then he gave you MORE with the mic that was not even asked for and then AFTER the fact you come back looking for more and more?? That's not how you do business dude. Jeff Paid you for your services. End of story, If MaximusBlack is streaming and there's something negative about him on reddit or TL, seems like we're always guaranteed some little flash mob... ....? I stand by my comment. imo it's pretty black and white
I'm just saying sometimes it seems unfair that MB raises up this little army every time there's something coming up. You could say that players like IdrA have their own little armies too, but I've never seen IdrA going buck wild about some post on his stream, he just plays games. Some players seem to cultivate drama.
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On August 11 2012 14:58 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Why are you bringing other people into this? For the record, lastshadow has a long history of pissing people off.
So that makes DesRow's comments ok?
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On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible.
Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet?
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I don't get it.
Why would Desrow ask for more money after the fact? That's just bad business.
There was an agreement for coaching for a specific dollar value. Services provided, and paid for as agreed.
You don't come out later and ask for more money if you found out your EMPLOYER did well on the gig after the fact.
He got lots of exposure, lots of feedback, and lots of followers. And he got paid as well, as he AGREED in ADVANCE.
MB was your EMPLOYER Desrow.
Now, what's worse - that MB offered some additional money after the fact - call it what you want, even if you want to call it shut up money, or whatever - out of good will?
OR:
that Desrow is asking for more money after the fact? So, can a prosective team that is looking to pick up Desrow be afraid that if the team lands a big sponsor - that desrow is going to ask for more money because his employer is making more?
Come on......... what a joke of a situation.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
unless theres more stuff that u didnt talk about i think ur the one whos in the wrong in this situation =/
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I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost.
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On August 11 2012 15:01 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:58 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Why are you bringing other people into this? For the record, lastshadow has a long history of pissing people off. MaximusBlack just revealed the entire thing on his stream, and part of his reasoning was Desrow going on a large rant about LastShadow, revealing personal details about him and forcing MaximusBlack to delete 8 hours worth of content on his channel because LastShadow was pissed about it and he didn't want the drama.
Couldnt he just edit out the 2 minutes of last shadow stuff?
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On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet?
Maximus just told the whole story on his stream.
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On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet?
Apparently he's getting his viewers to all back him up in this thread right now. I'll be damned if he gets my view. I feel really bad for desrow, now he's got a hate mob after him.
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On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet?
Yeah, on his stream. The VODs should be up later, unless MB decides to delete them.
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On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet?
Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes.
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DESROWS AN ASSSSS.
User was banned for this post.
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Technically MB didn't really do anything wrong, but he still lowballed Desrow like a motherfucker if those numbers are roughly accurate.
Pretty cold if you ask me.
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On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes.
Well would someone care to tell me what was said?
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On August 11 2012 15:04 Gamegene wrote:
Technically MB didn't really do anything wrong, but he still lowballed Desrow like a motherfucker if those numbers are roughly accurate.
Pretty cold if you ask me.
I think that's what many people in this thread don't understand. In the business world, unless you're so big that people can't afford to *not* do business with you (Day9, who I'm mentioning incidentally, he seems like a good enough guy), this kind of stuff is just poison for future partnerships. There's a difference between being legally and morally right.
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On August 11 2012 15:03 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Apparently he's getting his viewers to all back him up in this thread right now. I'll be damned if he gets my view. I feel really bad for desrow, now he's got a hate mob after him.
He didn't say anything about going on this thread and hating Desrow. He got linked to Desrows post by a viewer, told the stream what happened, and went back to his games. He seems pretty annoyed by it, but he constantly reiterated the fact that Desrow is a nice guy, and that you shouldn't attack him throughout.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
Say i was Idra or something and i got offered 500 dollars to go down and coach someone i barely knew. I wouldnt go and ask for more money after what was agreed on top of making jokes that werent even funny and were hurtful to that persons wife along with him giving a microphone to me. But you would go out and ask for more? what a joke
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On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said?
In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW.
Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
You don't agree to something and then go back and ask for more. You be smart about it from the beginning and if it is an issue.
you're in the wrong here. Oh and by the way.. Those jokes weren't funny.
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On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess.
Ok....but what did he say?
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On August 11 2012 15:01 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:58 Logun wrote:
....? I stand by my comment. imo it's pretty black and white I'm just saying sometimes it seems unfair that MB raises up this little army every time there's something coming up. You could say that players like IdrA have their own little armies too, but I've never seen IdrA going buck wild about some post on his stream, he just plays games. Some players seem to cultivate drama.
good post, I appreciate it when people actually want to have a discussion. I would agree with you on that MaximusBlack does seem to have a decent amount of drama, with him. I've got my own theories but that's just opinion - for instance he's an entertainer, he actively interacts with his audience on a very personable level. This is something I don't see from IdrA. He's very much a consumate pro and (imo) treats his stream as such. For him it's not about being entertaining. For him it's about practice and allowing eSports fans to have a peek
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desrow you are not very intelligent....
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On August 11 2012 15:05 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:03 pigmanbear wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Apparently he's getting his viewers to all back him up in this thread right now. I'll be damned if he gets my view. I feel really bad for desrow, now he's got a hate mob after him. He didn't say anything about going on this thread and hating Desrow. He got linked to Desrows post by a viewer, told the stream what happened, and went back to his games. He seems pretty annoyed by it, but he constantly reiterated the fact that Desrow is a nice guy, and that you shouldn't attack him throughout.
I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)"
He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation.
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On August 11 2012 15:08 desrowisafatfaggot wrote:
Hahahaha desrow is a prick dude, he can go fuck himself. That fat triple chin faggot lmfao. Let's see how much revenue he makes after getting ddos'd for a month straight.
And what do you think *this post* says about *you*? Or a segment of MaximusBlack's viewership, for that matter?
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On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say?
You really think I'm going to bother typing out 15 minutes worth of ranting?
Watch the vod later or something, I'm sure you can get the gist of it from this thread.
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On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost.
honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50
there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION
not maximus + desrow
wtf common sense
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Tommy, just what was said.
That a SALARY was agreed upon, flight was paid etc etc.
That after the fact, more money was made than Desrow was happy with, and that desrow asked for more money after the deal was already done.
I think 1070 in total costs to MB for a weeks worth of sitting on your ass doing some training, is a good deal - desrow came home with a $500 cash in his pocket for his efforts, got to go to the East Coast of Canada all expenses paid, and got some great exposure for himself as well.
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On August 11 2012 15:09 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? You really think I'm going to bother typing out 15 minutes worth of ranting? Watch the vod later or something, I'm sure you can get the gist of it from this thread.
well it would be nice <3
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I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill.
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When I was watching the stream I read the chipin donation thing as "Donate for Desrow and Maximus to go to MLG"... I didn't donate, because well, meh.
But as far as I can see during the time, people chipping in were supposed to be donating to get them both to MLG???
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On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense
Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time:
Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get?
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On August 11 2012 15:10 Grimmyman123 wrote:
Tommy, just what was said.
That a SALARY was agreed upon, flight was paid etc etc.
That after the fact, more money was made than Desrow was happy with, and that desrow asked for more money after the deal was already done.
I think 1070 in total costs to MB for a weeks worth of sitting on your ass doing some training, is a good deal - desrow came home with a $500 cash in his pocket for his efforts, got to go to the East Coast of Canada all expenses paid, and got some great exposure for himself as well.
That's not what a salary is, but I digress. Since when did "thought work" (being sedentary in nature) become less valued because you're sitting? desrow is a top-level foreign Protoss. I never was a fan of his in particular, but I think he has some balls coming out like this and I respect him for it.
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On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get?
I fail to see the relevence...
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I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)"
He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation.[/QUOTE]
How self centered are you to have such a narrow minded way of thinking? You honestly think that someone who just got signed to a big name team and trying to make it big would want his fan base who he respects and loves and tells them that on a daily basis, wants those same people to crush and destroy his chances of becoming big over something stupid? Seriously get your head off your high horse and have some reasoning logic?
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On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get?
The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them.
Pretty hard to tell either way.
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On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill.
Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament.
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I am not a fan of Maximus but if i got this strait.. You agreed at a price, when he earned more money you are bitching that he didn't give you more? And you even pressured him to give you more and he is the bad guy? It doesn't mater if he earned a million dollars it is not your problem or your money. And that advisers from "e-sports" that made you ask for more money is very convenient..
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On August 11 2012 15:13 xjulz23x wrote:
I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)"
He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation.
How self centered are you to have such a narrow minded way of thinking? You honestly think that someone who just got signed to a big name team and trying to make it big would want his fan base who he respects and loves and tells them that on a daily basis, wants those same people to crush and destroy his chances of becoming big over something stupid? Seriously get your head off your high horse and have some reasoning logic?
I don't even understand what your main point is, I'm sorry.
I think someone in the chat said desWOW lost over 250+ followers on twitch because of the MB rant? Black even said himself "HAHA well I'm going to un-sub right now!" which of course he knows his fans are going to try and copy him and thus un-sub as well.
All this is making my head hurt.
edit: fixed the quote since you somehow fucked it up.
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Desrow is just Jelly
User was warned for this post
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On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say?
Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points
- Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance
- MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day
- MB got really mad about it
- Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him
- MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well
- MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect
- Desrow leaves
- Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations
- MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments
- Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people
- MB gets more annoyed
- Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard
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On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote:
edit: god my post looks ugly, why couldn't you properly quote!!
Because he just registered, like so many others frantically joining TL right now to dump on desrow
Edit: Sorry guy, looks like you just have really low post count. But there are a bunch of people making first posts in the last hour, and quite a few seem to be quite unfamiliar with TL etiquette. You just didn't quote properly, no big deal i guess, just tough to read.
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Canada13386 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way.
Watching the stream though, there were times where DesRow was saying some pretty insulting things to Jeff and others as well. And more than "you suck at sc2" kind of insulting. I would have thrown him out of my house if some of those things were said to me to be honest.
I dont remember how the chip in was worded but if we resign ourselves from that fact, my understanding was that the chip in was to help cover the costs of the coaching week and possibly help with a trip to MLG once the initial costs were covered.
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On August 11 2012 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? I fail to see the relevence...
The relevance is that both parties knew what they were getting into. Both knew about possible Advert revenue. Both knew about the donations possibility. An amount was agreed upon, and that agreement was fullfilled.
Relevance is that instead of being a SINGLE sponsor, it was a group of individuals, each pitching in - each being their own little sponsorship of the event and players.
A contract is a contract. Business is business. If the event was a flop, and MB came out in the red, is it fair for him to ask for Desrow to offer his services for less money after the fact? No, it isnt. A deal was made, and as an investor in the project with his own money, MB came out in the black and the event was profitable.
Desrow made good money for a weeks worth of work, at no expense to himself. The deal was done in advance, and he was paid on that deal.
On the flip side, it would be like a venue asking an organiser for a certain amount for a rental agreement, and then asking for more money when the event is a massive success.
Now. If their agreement involved an even split of profits, or a contingency of some sort, then this would be a different story. But, given that desrow got a salary and all expenses paid flight and food, it makes logical sense based on FACT that there was no such a contingency in the coaching agreement.
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On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say?
Here's the boiled down version (read: paraphrasing MB's rant until the vod of it comes out).
-MB approached Desrow with the idea of coaching, he offered him $500, which was "more than [Desrow] was expecting"
-MB paid for airfair (~$400) and food ($~80)
-Coaching went alright, and Des was a good coach, and it was a good experience
-Except for that (paraphrasing) Des is kind of obsessed with people better off than him
-Desrow made lots of sexual jokes at MB's Fiance. Made a comment about people Gang-Banging her, and continued these comments after being asked to stop a few times
-MB, after seeing how well the bootcamp was doing (as far as viewers and ads and what not) went, decided to get Desrow a gift, and bought him a "$140" microphone one morning before Desrow woke up.
-Last day of the week, MB was really annoyed with Desrow, especially the Fiance comments.
-Desrow got into something with LastShadow, called him names on stream, etc
-MB didn't want the drama, so the three of them (MB, Desrow and LS) stayed up discussing what to do as apparantly LS was really upset and wanted to post to reddit/TL.
-Everyone calmed down, Jeff deleted the entire 8 hours worth of content, both because he was bothered by the comments, and the LS drama.
After this I can't recall MB's statements well enough to feel comfortable paraphrasing them. Essentially it went as Desrow said, he went around to various 'Big Names' and sort of tried to drag MBs name in the mud (this is what I got from it).
Edit: Last statement MB made while I was typing this up (paraphrased) - Honestly if I had known that people were going to make such ridicuously large donations, I would have offered him more in the first place, or would have offered him more afterwards had the week not been so bad [in regards to the sexual jokes/drama].
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On August 11 2012 15:18 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote:
edit: god my post looks ugly, why couldn't you properly quote!! Because he just registered, like so many others frantically joining TL right now to dump on desrow
You couldn't be more wrong about anything and we'll leave it at that good sir.
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On August 11 2012 15:18 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way. Watching the stream though, there were times where DesRow was saying some pretty insulting things to Jeff and others as well. And more than "you suck at sc2" kind of insulting. I would have thrown him out of my house if some of those things were said to me to be honest. I dont remember how the chip in was worded but if we resign ourselves from that fact, my understanding was that the chip in was to help cover the costs of the coaching week and possibly help with a trip to MLG once the initial costs were covered.
Just feels like the donation thingy shud have been a 50/50 split deal and w/e happens happens
desrow asking for money after everything was over is obviously retarded though
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Ok so DesRow agreed to a set amount of money from the start as far as I can tell, therefore, Maximus technically did nothing wrong in this case. The arguement is that Maximus is morally in the wrong for not splitting 50/50 correct? The problem with this arguement is that DesRow allegedly made VERY inappropriate comments about Maximus' fiance while in his house and insulted Lastshadow to the point where Maximus had to delete VODs. If I were Maximus I would have kicked that fat fuck out of my house immediately but he let him stay and then paid DesRow more than was even agreed to. So how is Maximus in the wrong technically or morally in this case?
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On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:13 xjulz23x wrote:
I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)"
He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation.
How self centered are you to have such a narrow minded way of thinking? You honestly think that someone who just got signed to a big name team and trying to make it big would want his fan base who he respects and loves and tells them that on a daily basis, wants those same people to crush and destroy his chances of becoming big over something stupid? Seriously get your head off your high horse and have some reasoning logic? I don't even understand what your main point is, I'm sorry. I think someone in the chat said desWOW lost over 250+ followers on twitch because of the MB rant? Black even said himself "HAHA well I'm going to un-sub right now!" which of course he knows his fans are going to try and copy him and thus un-sub as well. All this is making my head hurt. edit: fixed the quote since you somehow fucked it up.
Wow so a celebrity has a problem with someone and unfollows him because that's how he feels and you think the massive amounts of people that do the same are his problem? Its not, they do so at their own convenience. He has no control over however many people over the internet that's just stupid to try and do. Also, obviously did the post wrong don't usually quote people sorry about that.
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I'm not really biased on the issue but it seems like kind of a dick move to get paid more money then you had orginally agreed to and then come out and trash MaximusBlack anyway.
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Canada13386 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:21 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:18 ZeromuS wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way. Watching the stream though, there were times where DesRow was saying some pretty insulting things to Jeff and others as well. And more than "you suck at sc2" kind of insulting. I would have thrown him out of my house if some of those things were said to me to be honest. I dont remember how the chip in was worded but if we resign ourselves from that fact, my understanding was that the chip in was to help cover the costs of the coaching week and possibly help with a trip to MLG once the initial costs were covered. Just feels like the donation thingy shud have been a 50/50 split deal and w/e happens happens desrow asking for money after everything was over is obviously retarded though
Oh, I completely agree. I think it should have been decided upon before the donation pot went up at all.
The whole thing is messy but I don't think desrow even needed to bring it up. He gained a lot of exposure from the week and gained a lot of followers I am sure on both twitter and twitch.
And Maximus didn't say a word and insisted the two were on good terms since the coaching happened but now that he gets on a team desrow decides to chime in -_-
Its just a mess and would have been better off left alone.
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Your in someone elses house and disrespect the women of the house :O Well thats pretty low desrow. Very low. And then ask for more money? Wow. And the fact Maximusblack gave him more so no drama would continue, then we have this lol. Feel really bad for maximusblack. Goodluck @ Quantic Dude.
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On August 11 2012 15:18 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote:
edit: god my post looks ugly, why couldn't you properly quote!! Because he just registered, like so many others frantically joining TL right now to dump on desrow
I hate these noobs! When I want to go and dump on the person I disagree with, they come in here and try to defend him! Why can't they let me just whale on him like a pinata in peace!
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On August 11 2012 15:18 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard
I dont understand why he couldnt just edit out the 5 minutes that included the Last shadow part? As for the "sex jokes" im sure a lot of people found them funny, but when MB told him to stop he shouldve stopped so thats his fault.
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On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense
uhh not if it wasnt part of the deal, im sure maximusblack told desrow up front wat he was going to pay him and how much of his expenses he was going to cover. desrow shouldnt ask for something if it wasnt pre-negotiated, his job was to coach maximusblack.. nothing more nothing less, theoretically hes supposed to be his employer no?
desrow should have just asked him to take his name off the donation box if he was against it, if there was an issue he should have brought it up while he was over maximusblack's house
edit: that being said it was wrong of maximus to have both their names on the chip-in box in the first place, but its not as if he knew how much money he was going to make so.. dunno tbh this situation seems pretty fucked up either way. we probably dont even know the full story
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On August 11 2012 15:25 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:18 RockIronrod wrote:On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard I dont understand why he couldnt just edit out the 5 minutes that included the Last shadow part? As for the "sex jokes" im sure a lot of people found them funny, but when MB told him to stop he shouldve stopped so thats his fault.
Twitch VODs don't work like that sadly, and it was a lot longer than 5 minutes. The sex jokes weren't very funny, they were just abstract references to his fiance getting banged by dudes at random times.
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On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way.
Heres help to clarify
Here's what my receipt from the Chipin says:
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Paid By: Scott ******* (grimm********@*******.com)
For: DesRow Costs/MLG
Method: PayPal (grimm********@*******.com)
Total: $10.00
This receipt confirms that you authorized a payment to The Bouse for the event DesRow Costs/MLG. Should you have questions regarding this transaction, please visit our FAQ or contact us at contact.chipin.com.
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The chipin went to MB directly. There was no share on it with desrow. It was intended to be a chip in to help cover the event costs.
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On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:
The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them.
Pretty hard to tell either way.
This is a good point but one I've not seen DesRow bring up himself. Maybe I read into his post too much but to me it just seemed like he thought he deserved more after the fact.
This sort of eludes to a larger issue with regards to the overall experience and maturity seen in eSports. (I mean that from a longevity point of view not the insulting "immature" way).
DesRow really needed to look out for himself holistically - which includes securing compensation for any VOD's he may be a part of through the boot camp process. That is his responsibility, not MaximusBlack's.
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On August 11 2012 15:26 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:25 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:18 RockIronrod wrote:On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard I dont understand why he couldnt just edit out the 5 minutes that included the Last shadow part? As for the "sex jokes" im sure a lot of people found them funny, but when MB told him to stop he shouldve stopped so thats his fault. The sex jokes weren't very funny, they were just abstract references to his fiance getting banged by dudes at random times.
As a person that watched the live streams, this is unfortunately the case. They were awkward for viewers, and what I only could interpret as clearly frustrating for MB
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On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament.
I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots.
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On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots.
Maybe you didn't understand what I originally posted.
Watch 5 of his games when he streams, you will see he is SUPER far away from doing OK at major tournaments.
Is that better?
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On August 11 2012 15:28 Logun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:
The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them.
Pretty hard to tell either way. This is a good point but one I've not seen DesRow bring up himself. Maybe I read into his post too much but to me it just seemed like he thought he deserved more after the fact. This sort of eludes to a larger issue with regards to the overall experience and maturity seen in eSports. (I mean that from a longevity point of view not the insulting "immature" way). DesRow really needed to look out for himself holistically - which includes securing compensation for any VOD's he may be a part of through the boot camp process. That is his responsibility, not MaximusBlack's.
I don't think, due to the nature of the stream, and the nature of desrows employment agreement (a flat fee structure) that he is entitled to any VOD or stream revenue. Now, if desrows payment was a percentage of revenue, this might be a different story, but the flat fee does not support this factually.
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On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots.
nah, he is SUPER far away. i'm not a hater, just stating my opinion of his skill (i like his WCF)
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On August 11 2012 15:26 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense uhh not if it wasnt part of the deal, im sure maximusblack told desrow up front wat he was going to pay him and how much of his expenses he was going to cover. desrow shouldnt ask for something if it wasnt pre-negotiated, his job was to coach maximusblack.. nothing more nothing less, theoretically hes supposed to be his employer no? desrow should have just asked him to take his name off his donation box if he was against it, if there was an issue he should have brought it up while he was over maximusblack's house edit: that being said it was wrong of maximus to have both their names on the chip-in box in the first place, but its not as if he knew how much money he was going to make so.. dunno tbh this situation seems pretty fucked up either way. we probably dont even know the full story
I posted a copy of my chipin receipt, to help clarify that the chipin was intended to help out with the Desrow Costs, not to split with Desrow.
I Hope this helps.
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On August 11 2012 15:34 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. nah, he is SUPER far away. i'm not a hater, just stating my opinion of his skill (i like his WCF)
Is WCF still updated? Most of my time is spent in China and good ol' Youtube is blocked there.
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And I should add:
Desrows skill as a player, or his tournement success is not subject for discussion in my opinion.
MB and Desrow agreed on what a fair dollar value for Desrow's services would be. At that exact point in time, that amount was valuated. If the player was SK_MC, that value might have been higher. Regardless, it was agreed upon by both parties at that time, as what fair market value would be.
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deserves this less than a child deserves cancer.
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So let me make sure I understand this properly, leaving all subjective items out of it:
- MaximusBlack paid for Desrow's flight, food, and provided lodging for a week, as well as $500 cash and a $130 microphone.
- A donation thing was set up, which made more money than expected, but which was not accounted for in the initial agreed-upon price because donations are unpredictable.
- Having effectively made over $1000 (including flight, lodging, food) for a week of work, as well as gaining more viewers and subscribers in a week than he'd gotten in the previous 3 months due to exposure on MB's channel, Desrow returns home.
- A week later, Desrow decides to ask for more money, because MB made more than he did.
- MB refuses, so Desrow tells him he's contacted major figures in eSports and ruined his reputation.
- MB decides to give him an extra $300 just to put an end to it.
- Desrow goes public anyway, but in a non-objective way.
I know things about how business fees work, and Desrow is entirely in the wrong. If I agree to pay someone $500 for their services, and then as a result of their services I make $3000, that person is not entitled to any extra money just because I did well.
To put this in perspective, Blair Witch Project cost $25,000 to make, and after it was filmed it was sold to Fox for $1,100,000. It then went on to make $250,000,000 in box office and DVD sales. It was sold to Fox for 44x what it cost to make, and then it went on to make Fox 10,000x more than it cost to make. The people who made the movie don't then get to demand more money from Fox because their movie did well, they have to live with the contract at hand. What they can do, however, is use the success of that movie to get a bigger cut out of the next one. That is how business works.
By the same token, there is absolutely no standing for Desrow to have done any of the things he did after leaving MB's house, be it soiling his name, demanding more money, or anything else. What he should have done was make a note of that success, and then the next time an opportunity like this came up, he would say "The last time I did this, the person I coached made a bunch of money by setting up donations. I would like so-many dollars, plus so-much percent of a similar donation drive." You don't try to extract more money than was agreed upon from the last guy, you parlay that into more money from the next guy. That is how you do business: by using past successes to demonstrate value for future work. Trying to extract more money from the last guy just makes you come across as petty and greedy, regardless of whether it's the case.
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On August 11 2012 15:36 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:34 opterown wrote:On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. nah, he is SUPER far away. i'm not a hater, just stating my opinion of his skill (i like his WCF) Is WCF still updated? Most of my time is spent in China and good ol' Youtube is blocked there.
still on, the newest one was a few days ago =]
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On August 11 2012 15:44 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:36 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:34 opterown wrote:On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. nah, he is SUPER far away. i'm not a hater, just stating my opinion of his skill (i like his WCF) Is WCF still updated? Most of my time is spent in China and good ol' Youtube is blocked there. still on, the newest one was a few days ago =]
I love WCF. I know he's not the highest ever player or even super pro or super close but hes an great entertainer.
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On August 11 2012 15:42 DiMono wrote:
So let me make sure I understand this properly, leaving all subjective items out of it:
- MaximusBlack paid for Desrow's flight, food, and provided lodging for a week, as well as $500 cash and a $130 microphone.
- A donation thing was set up, which made more money than expected, but which was not accounted for in the initial agreed-upon price because donations are unpredictable.
- Having effectively made over $1000 (including flight, lodging, food) for a week of work, as well as gaining more viewers and subscribers in a week than he'd gotten in the previous 3 months due to exposure on MB's channel, Desrow returns home.
- A week later, Desrow decides to ask for more money, because MB made more than he did.
- MB refuses, so Desrow tells him he's contacted major figures in eSports and ruined his reputation.
- MB decides to give him an extra $300 just to put an end to it.
- Desrow goes public anyway, but in a non-objective way.
I know things about how business fees work, and Desrow is entirely in the wrong. If I agree to pay someone $500 for their services, and then as a result of their services I make $3000, that person is not entitled to any extra money just because I did well.
To put this in perspective, Blair Witch Project cost $25,000 to make, and after it was filmed it was sold to Fox for $1,100,000. It then went on to make $250,000,000 in box office and DVD sales. It was sold to Fox for 44x what it cost to make, and then it went on to make Fox 10,000x more than it cost to make. The people who made the movie don't then get to demand more money from Fox because their movie did well, they have to live with the contract at hand. What they can do, however, is use the success of that movie to get a bigger cut out of the next one. That is how business works.
By the same token, there is absolutely no standing for Desrow to have done any of the things he did after leaving MB's house, be it soiling his name, demanding more money, or anything else. What he should have done was make a note of that success, and then the next time an opportunity like this came up, he would say "The last time I did this, the person I coached made a bunch of money by setting up donations. I would like so-many dollars, plus so-much percent of a similar donation drive." You don't try to extract more money than was agreed upon from the last guy, you parlay that into more money from the next guy. That is how you do business: by using past successes to demonstrate value for future work. Trying to extract more money from the last guy just makes you come across as petty and greedy, regardless of whether it's the case.
I think you might be a little bit crazy if you think you left any subjectiveness out of your account.
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On August 11 2012 15:32 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. Maybe you didn't understand what I originally posted. Watch 5 of his games when he streams, you will see he is SUPER far away from doing OK at major tournaments. Is that better?
Well he's not with Quantic because he's a professional player anyway. He's on the team as a media personality. People like him help the eSports industry grow by getting people interested in the game. Sure he's not as big as Day9, but he is for sure just as passionate. Plus, the eSports industry can use all the help it can get. As he does his thing as a media personality, who says he can't work at becoming a professional player as well? He's killing two birds with one stone from the way I see it.
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this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it
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Desrow comes off looking as a scumbag, which is sad.
It is incredibly low-status to ask for more compensation than originally agreed. How anyone doesn't know this is beyond me.
And then to come on the forum and post about it as if MaximusBlack was in the wrong..
The dude obviously has problems.
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On August 11 2012 15:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it
Desrow's name was only on it because it was basically asking people to help Maximus pay for Desrow's Fee(which was pre-established) and anything that went beyond that was to get him to MLG.
Read the receipt its pretty straightforward.
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On August 11 2012 15:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it
I mean, if they wanted to make things completely fair, MB could have set it up like a stake deal. Donations-500(x%) So if the donations didn't break $500, he wasn't completely in the hole. Desrow may have handled it poorly, but I definitely don't think he was in the wrong to speak out about how he was swindled, especially if MB put both their names on the donation box.
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On August 11 2012 15:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it
The donation box was titled "DesRow Costs/MLG"
Why would DesRow be deserving of 50% of the proceeds? The donation is to cover the costs of Desrow's employment, with the rest going towards MB's MLG trip. Anything more than that is just fans wanting to go above and beyond.
To be clear, it wasn't a 'DesRow/MaximusBlack' donation box. It was a 'DesRow's cost was 1k, donate to help me cover it'. DesRow was being payed the same whether people donated 0 dollars or 10,000 dollars.
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so it wasn't to get desrow to MLG as well? thought it was both of them
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On August 11 2012 15:49 PencilFlavor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:32 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. Maybe you didn't understand what I originally posted. Watch 5 of his games when he streams, you will see he is SUPER far away from doing OK at major tournaments. Is that better? Well he's not with Quantic because he's a professional player anyway. He's on the team as a media personality. People like him help the eSports industry grow by getting people interested in the game. Sure he's not as big as Day9, but he is for sure just as passionate. Plus, the eSports industry can use all the help it can get. As he does his thing as a media personality, who says he can't work at becoming a professional player as well? He's killing two birds with one stone from the way I see it.
Are you even reading what the fuck your posting? You said he was not "SUPER far away from being at a professional level" and I said he is clearly far away.
Why are you bringing up other irrelevant shit no one cares about?
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On August 11 2012 15:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it
I disagree. MaximusBlack paid for, out of his own pocket, around $1.1k to have him there, more than the ad revenue he made for that week ($850). They agreed on $500 beforehand, and Desrow actually expected less apparently. That, in my opinion, is a fair amount of money.
A flat rate is much better than an a fluctuating, random number like donations (unless you're expecting MB to pay $500 PLUS ad revenue, which is silly). The bulk of the donations came in the form of ridiculously big numbers ($800 and $500 if I recall correctly), towards the end of the week, after MB had to tolerate constant sex references about his fiance (which is relevant given the personal nature of the endeavor) and had considered just stopping the boot camp.
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On August 11 2012 15:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it
Fayth, someone already posted the receipt that already debunks that, and I remember distinctly the wording of the chip in.
It was to pay for desrow's costs and flight/trip to mlg. The second part, which is the only part that would be financial gain, had no mention of desRow. And DesRow's comments on his fiance do have relevance, it shows his character. He was asked repeatedly to stop and kept doing it, it shows he has a lack of character and hurts his credibility. If you think that someone's reputation and personality doesn't affect business then you're mistaken.
I tried not to sound like a fanboy, but watching bootcamp every day, I witnissed almost everything that MB said desRow did, meaning he instantly has more credibility than desrow. And even if MB was in the wrong, desrow goign public even after getting EXTRA money he didnt deserve is just sick. Desrow has lost all my respect, he's a shady person and a complete jackass.
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On August 11 2012 15:47 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:42 DiMono wrote:
So let me make sure I understand this properly, leaving all subjective items out of it:
- MaximusBlack paid for Desrow's flight, food, and provided lodging for a week, as well as $500 cash and a $130 microphone.
- A donation thing was set up, which made more money than expected, but which was not accounted for in the initial agreed-upon price because donations are unpredictable.
- Having effectively made over $1000 (including flight, lodging, food) for a week of work, as well as gaining more viewers and subscribers in a week than he'd gotten in the previous 3 months due to exposure on MB's channel, Desrow returns home.
- A week later, Desrow decides to ask for more money, because MB made more than he did.
- MB refuses, so Desrow tells him he's contacted major figures in eSports and ruined his reputation.
- MB decides to give him an extra $300 just to put an end to it.
- Desrow goes public anyway, but in a non-objective way.
I know things about how business fees work, and Desrow is entirely in the wrong. If I agree to pay someone $500 for their services, and then as a result of their services I make $3000, that person is not entitled to any extra money just because I did well.
To put this in perspective, Blair Witch Project cost $25,000 to make, and after it was filmed it was sold to Fox for $1,100,000. It then went on to make $250,000,000 in box office and DVD sales. It was sold to Fox for 44x what it cost to make, and then it went on to make Fox 10,000x more than it cost to make. The people who made the movie don't then get to demand more money from Fox because their movie did well, they have to live with the contract at hand. What they can do, however, is use the success of that movie to get a bigger cut out of the next one. That is how business works.
By the same token, there is absolutely no standing for Desrow to have done any of the things he did after leaving MB's house, be it soiling his name, demanding more money, or anything else. What he should have done was make a note of that success, and then the next time an opportunity like this came up, he would say "The last time I did this, the person I coached made a bunch of money by setting up donations. I would like so-many dollars, plus so-much percent of a similar donation drive." You don't try to extract more money than was agreed upon from the last guy, you parlay that into more money from the next guy. That is how you do business: by using past successes to demonstrate value for future work. Trying to extract more money from the last guy just makes you come across as petty and greedy, regardless of whether it's the case. I think you might be a little bit crazy if you think you left any subjectiveness out of your account.
sorry man but anyone with real world business experience is going to tell you that this is how things work. just look at professional sports. jeremy lin is a good example - he was getting paid a pittance last season when he was tearing up the sport and bringing the knicks brand a lot of good press and exposure. so now he knows what he's worth and is getting paid a lot more with a new team. it would be utterly retarded of him to phone up the owner of the knicks and demand more money for a season he already played.
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On August 11 2012 15:58 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
this whole deal was handled pretty poorly, if Maximus was gonna make a donation box and put his name + desrow's name on it they shud split this amount 50/50
everything else, be it 500$ for coaching fees, lodging, food w/e else shudn't have anything to do with the donations, maximus was just paying for desrow's services (however mediocre they may be)
and the whole fiance thing is completely irrelevent to this entire thing, it just means desrow is extremely awkward when it comes to women and that's it The donation box was titled "DesRow Costs/MLG" Why would DesRow be deserving of 50% of the proceeds? The donation is to cover the costs of Desrow's employment, with the rest going towards MB's MLG trip. Anything more than that is just fans wanting to go above and beyond. To be clear, it wasn't a 'DesRow/MaximusBlack' donation box. It was a 'DesRow's cost was 1k, donate to help me cover it'. DesRow was being payed the same whether people donated 0 dollars or 10,000 dollars.
well that's entirely different from what I had heard
if it was this clear why the fuck is desrow whining about anything, he got paid for his job and this is it...
he should be sending the 300$ back to MB
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On August 11 2012 15:47 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:42 DiMono wrote:
So let me make sure I understand this properly, leaving all subjective items out of it:
- MaximusBlack paid for Desrow's flight, food, and provided lodging for a week, as well as $500 cash and a $130 microphone.
- A donation thing was set up, which made more money than expected, but which was not accounted for in the initial agreed-upon price because donations are unpredictable.
- Having effectively made over $1000 (including flight, lodging, food) for a week of work, as well as gaining more viewers and subscribers in a week than he'd gotten in the previous 3 months due to exposure on MB's channel, Desrow returns home.
- A week later, Desrow decides to ask for more money, because MB made more than he did.
- MB refuses, so Desrow tells him he's contacted major figures in eSports and ruined his reputation.
- MB decides to give him an extra $300 just to put an end to it.
- Desrow goes public anyway, but in a non-objective way.
I know things about how business fees work, and Desrow is entirely in the wrong. If I agree to pay someone $500 for their services, and then as a result of their services I make $3000, that person is not entitled to any extra money just because I did well.
To put this in perspective, Blair Witch Project cost $25,000 to make, and after it was filmed it was sold to Fox for $1,100,000. It then went on to make $250,000,000 in box office and DVD sales. It was sold to Fox for 44x what it cost to make, and then it went on to make Fox 10,000x more than it cost to make. The people who made the movie don't then get to demand more money from Fox because their movie did well, they have to live with the contract at hand. What they can do, however, is use the success of that movie to get a bigger cut out of the next one. That is how business works.
By the same token, there is absolutely no standing for Desrow to have done any of the things he did after leaving MB's house, be it soiling his name, demanding more money, or anything else. What he should have done was make a note of that success, and then the next time an opportunity like this came up, he would say "The last time I did this, the person I coached made a bunch of money by setting up donations. I would like so-many dollars, plus so-much percent of a similar donation drive." You don't try to extract more money than was agreed upon from the last guy, you parlay that into more money from the next guy. That is how you do business: by using past successes to demonstrate value for future work. Trying to extract more money from the last guy just makes you come across as petty and greedy, regardless of whether it's the case. I think you might be a little bit crazy if you think you left any subjectiveness out of your account.
I listed only the facts, verifiable. I didn't say anything about what happened during the week, nothing about what Desrow got paid vs what he normally makes in a week, just the quantifiable results, to put forth a complete view of what Desrow got out of it (we know what MB got out of it, being training). The point is that Desrow came out well ahead, and then tried to get more that he wasn't entitled to. That's dirty pool.
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On August 11 2012 15:59 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:49 PencilFlavor wrote:On August 11 2012 15:32 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. Maybe you didn't understand what I originally posted. Watch 5 of his games when he streams, you will see he is SUPER far away from doing OK at major tournaments. Is that better? Well he's not with Quantic because he's a professional player anyway. He's on the team as a media personality. People like him help the eSports industry grow by getting people interested in the game. Sure he's not as big as Day9, but he is for sure just as passionate. Plus, the eSports industry can use all the help it can get. As he does his thing as a media personality, who says he can't work at becoming a professional player as well? He's killing two birds with one stone from the way I see it. Are you even reading what the fuck your posting? You said he was not "SUPER far away from being at a professional level" and I said he is clearly far away. Why are you bringing up other irrelevant shit no one cares about? First of all, I wasn't the one who said that. What I'm trying to to say is that people posting here keep acting like Quantic hired MaximusBlack because of his skill. Clearly that's not the case.
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On August 11 2012 15:58 ROOTFayth wrote:
so it wasn't to get desrow to MLG as well? thought it was both of them
MB explained in stream that he wasn't going to attend MLG because of Anaheim and the traveling costs he had already spent, but he was going to add the donation box so that if he got enough, he would go. DesRow wasn't involved. I can definitely see how someone who wasn't aware might be confused, but then all that MaximusBlack can be accused of is improper wording, his own intentions are clear. For DesRow to demand more money because of something like that is pretty shameful.
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seems to me desrow went and asked for more money just because some retards told him he deserved more, hopefully desrow is gonna fix this, send the money back and make public apologies
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This already happened a while ago Fayth, I doubt desrow would do that. I think des is just a shady person and thought that he could get away with this story and make it look like he was in the right. If he had any intentions of doing the right thing, he would not have posted this in the first place.
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On August 11 2012 16:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
seems to me desrow went and asked for more money just because some retards told him he deserved more, hopefully desrow is gonna fix this, send the money back and make public apologies
i agree completely. Maybe even throw in a 100 for all this drama lol.
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haha it's pretty funny at all the low-post counters in here :D
nothing bad on them, but it's been a while since i saw so many with <5 posts in one thread
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If I understood correctly all this business of the extra $300 occured about a week after the bootcamp ended, which was a month+ ago. So he's had this money for over a month, and then still goes public.
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On August 11 2012 16:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
seems to me desrow went and asked for more money just because some retards told him he deserved more, hopefully desrow is gonna fix this, send the money back and make public apologies
I think it's completely dependent on whether or not desrow was made aware of the donation box before the agreed upon rate. If not, then MB is totally in the wrong. That'd be like JP paying for a player to come out and do a face to face interview for "Real Talk" and then putting a "Cost Donations" box up after the fact. That player was just as much a part of the show as JP and he would be completely in the wrong for seeking another source of revenue using that players name.
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On August 11 2012 16:11 opterown wrote:
haha it's pretty funny at all the low-post counters in here :D
nothing bad on them, but it's been a while since i saw so many with <5 posts in one thread
its funny cause there were a ton of low post count peeps that always showed up in desrow threads for show matches and stuff a few months back, pro desrow, while now they are against him.
no im not saying they are the same peolpe, just pointing out a funny observation.
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On August 11 2012 15:58 ROOTFayth wrote:
so it wasn't to get desrow to MLG as well? thought it was both of them
Negative, I posted to this effect, with a copy of my Chipin receipt to support.
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On August 11 2012 16:14 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
seems to me desrow went and asked for more money just because some retards told him he deserved more, hopefully desrow is gonna fix this, send the money back and make public apologies I think it's completely dependent on whether or not desrow was made aware of the donation box before the agreed upon rate. If not, then MB is totally in the wrong. That'd be like JP paying for a player to come out and do a face to face interview for "Real Talk" and then putting a "Cost Donations" box up after the fact. That player was just as much a part of the show as JP and he would be completely in the wrong for seeking another source of revenue using that players name.
if anything MB just mis worded his shit leading to some people donating for desrow when they were actually donating to MB, so MB shud just give back the donations that were destined to desrow
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Dosey, the wording on the chip in wasn't confusing to anyone with a elementary school education. And even then, desrow had a week to comment on it. The donation paid off desrow's trip. That's part of his pay, because he didnt spendm oney to travel. The rest went to maximusblack for mlg. It was clearly stated and written. Desrow commented on multiple donations on stream, but didn't make any hint torwads him thinking he should get some, and he didn't have a problem until he "talked with friends" which is common for him either deciding he wants more or actually getting duped by someone who didn't understand the situation. Obviously we have to wait on desrow's response before we can make any further assumptions, but so far there is nothing that gives desrow any legitimacy to what he claimed.
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So MB is on Quantic as a.... personality/student type thing?
Not quite sure whats happening, it says hell learn from the current team, but wont that take away valuable practice time?
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On August 11 2012 16:12 LeisureFap wrote:
If I understood correctly all this business of the extra $300 occured about a week after the bootcamp ended, which was a month+ ago. So he's had this money for over a month, and then still goes public.
Lol. That name is pretty ace.
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Desrow loves to play the victim, then eat something.
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this is crazy how many jealous people there are in here.
The SC2 community is really bad when it comes to trying to grow the industry, as so many of them are spolit little kids that think they know best.
When lol first came out it was completely shit on and hated by this community, even though it was just increasing the esport community.
This is a massive step up for maximusblack. He already puts alot into the community with vods and such, and now if hes getting paid more which i assume he is, hes only gonna put more back in. Who cares if hes not the best player? all the kids who are higher ranked them him and beat him on ladder are just jealous about it, and cant seem to get over themselves to wish him luck or whatever.
Also, all the people saying that they 'watch him recently' and his play hasnt improved might as welll leave now. Desrow isnt the best player, but his coaching of Jeff has made such a difference. The people who say it hasnt obviously havent wathced him stream much, if at all.
Gratz jeff, with all the work you put in you definitely deserve this. Best of luck Bouse
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On August 11 2012 16:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
seems to me desrow went and asked for more money just because some retards told him he deserved more, hopefully desrow is gonna fix this, send the money back and make public apologies
Yeah man I think a lot of people are missing that part. It's the "friends" who apparently got in his head & made him think he was getting ripped off. Before that he was fine with everything, & why shouldn't he have been. He made a deal, he did his job poorly & still got paid in full + extra + publicity. Then his friends get into his heaad (maybe jealous of him or MB) & make him go back to MB & ask for more. The worst part (imo) is that he went to the CSN thing & tried to get MB into trouble. That's just a bullshit thing to do whichever ay you look at it. Even if Desrow would be in the right about getting 50/50, there is no excuse for going to someones employer & trying to get them in trouble.
That's like if someone sold you a pc, then a couple of weeks later (after talking to friends) comes back & says you owe him more money, & when you don't pay he tries to get you fired from your job.
Desrow not gonna be making any fans from this bit of drama. I doubt it makes him more attractive to teams/teammates.
Anyways, love your stream man! Keep it up
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On August 11 2012 16:14 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:05 ROOTFayth wrote:
seems to me desrow went and asked for more money just because some retards told him he deserved more, hopefully desrow is gonna fix this, send the money back and make public apologies I think it's completely dependent on whether or not desrow was made aware of the donation box before the agreed upon rate. If not, then MB is totally in the wrong. That'd be like JP paying for a player to come out and do a face to face interview for "Real Talk" and then putting a "Cost Donations" box up after the fact. That player was just as much a part of the show as JP and he would be completely in the wrong for seeking another source of revenue using that players name.
What? I'm not seeing what is immoral about that. Isn't that how businesses operate?
And its not like Maximus Black was using DesRow's fame to make money. This is DesRow we are talking about after all, if anything DesRow got more popular after doing the bootcamp. And if you aren't aware, MB regularly gets donations (every day, in fact. People sometimes donate 50 bucks just to get a song played on stream. The only strange thing about this whole event is that DesRow feels that he deserves more.
(The fact that DesRow is including the money made from advertisements in his calculations, as if he didn't know that MB would be streaming it ahead of time, makes him look even shadier. Really disappointing, and I hope he apologizes and, more importantly, learns a lesson about contracts and business.)
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On August 11 2012 16:18 LeisureFap wrote:
Dosey, the wording on the chip in wasn't confusing to anyone with a elementary school education. And even then, desrow had a week to comment on it. The donation paid off desrow's trip. That's part of his pay, because he didnt spendm oney to travel. The rest went to maximusblack for mlg. It was clearly stated and written. Desrow commented on multiple donations on stream, but didn't make any hint torwads him thinking he should get some, and he didn't have a problem until he "talked with friends" which is common for him either deciding he wants more or actually getting duped by someone who didn't understand the situation. Obviously we have to wait on desrow's response before we can make any further assumptions, but so far there is nothing that gives desrow any legitimacy to what he claimed.
If Des was aware of the donations before the agreed upon rate, then he has no claim to anything and owes MB an apology. However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.
edit: confusing wording o_O
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As far as I understand, MaximusBlack is mainly signed with Quantic as a media person. To bring a personality to the team. He will stlil be practicing with the players though, as he's trying to improve and they allow for that =). Maybe if he gets good enough his status in Quantic will change? Time will tell.
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Even if MB snuck it in afterwards, none of that money should go to Desrow. Desrow got paid for the work he did. He was happy with the pay. You don't get to ask for more money just because he made money. I don't get to act like I deserve a pay raise at my job just because the company gains a lot of money or anything directly form my work. I'm an employee, and I don't get more than agreed.
The donation box was clearly worded, desrow's pay and promises were fulfilled, and maximus earned money from the stream he hosted. Desrow wasn't hosting the stream, maximusblack was. Desrow put his information in to the chat every 2 minutes, so if anyone wanted to donate specifically to him they could.
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On August 11 2012 16:22 ThatGuy89 wrote:
this is crazy how many jealous people there are in here.
The SC2 community is really bad when it comes to trying to grow the industry, as so many of them are spolit little kids that think they know best.
When lol first came out it was completely shit on and hated by this community, even though it was just increasing the esport community.
This is a massive step up for maximusblack. He already puts alot into the community with vods and such, and now if hes getting paid more which i assume he is, hes only gonna put more back in. Who cares if hes not the best player? all the kids who are higher ranked them him and beat him on ladder are just jealous about it, and cant seem to get over themselves to wish him luck or whatever.
Also, all the people saying that they 'watch him recently' and his play hasnt improved might as welll leave now. Desrow isnt the best player, but his coaching of Jeff has made such a difference. The people who say it hasnt obviously havent wathced him stream much, if at all.
Gratz jeff, with all the work you put in you definitely deserve this. Best of luck Bouse
I watched his stream for what, maybe an hour? hour and a half? His play was the same shit it was before.
Also why would people be jealous? Is it because of the money? I can safely assume there are a lot of people here who make more money than he does. I can also safely assume there are a lot of people here who could beat MB in a showmatch. Are we supposed to be jealous of his fanbase or something? I'm missing the connection.
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grats to mb for signing on quantic, don't see why anyone should have a problem with him making money. also seems very classless/stupid of desrow to make that post.
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On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.
Why? I find your morality confusing.
If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it?
If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence?
I think you are just confused.
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bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.
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On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.
You can pretty much ignore anything 'bees' posts, all he does is defend desWoW (I don't get it) on TL and twitter. Not going to get an unbiased response from him.
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On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.
I, uh, still don't know what people would really be jealous of.
Top NA masters isn't something that's terribly hard to achieve, especially when 4 gating a large chunk of the games.
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On August 11 2012 16:33 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.
You can pretty much ignore anything 'bees' posts, all he does is defend desWoW (I don't get it) on TL and twitter. Not going to get an unbiased response from him.
Huh? I said earlier desWOW's comments were out-of-line and he shouldn't have said what he did on TL.
Of course I'm going to have bias because I like him more than MB, but that doesn't mean I condone his actions he's taken in this situation. I know it's a pretty hard concept to understand, sorry.
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On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.
Why? I find your morality confusing. If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it? If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence? I think you are just confused.
Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?
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Dosey, I see the confusion. The donation box that said "help pay for desrow's costs" was for desrow. All of that money covered the costs that maximusblack paid out of his own pocket. The donation was to return maximus's expense.
Maximus paid all the moneyi n cash, then asked his viewers to donate him back the money so he didn't lose like a grand to bring desrow, then asked for more after that was finished to go to MLG. None of that money was meant for desrow whatsoever.
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On August 11 2012 16:37 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.
Why? I find your morality confusing. If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it? If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence? I think you are just confused. Your analogies are completely irrelevant. Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?
What if it said 'Help Me Pay for zefreaks Costs!'
Yes I am really telling you that I don't think I deserve any of JP's donations that he was raising to cover the cost of my trip.
"Maximus paid all the moneyi n cash, then asked his viewers to donate him back the money so he didn't lose like a grand to bring desrow, then asked for more after that was finished to go to MLG. None of that money was meant for desrow whatsoever."
This is what I'm talking about.
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this controversy is all a bit silly =/
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On August 11 2012 16:40 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:37 Dosey wrote:On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.
Why? I find your morality confusing. If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it? If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence? I think you are just confused. Your analogies are completely irrelevant. Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations? What if it said 'Help Me Pay for zefreaks Costs!' Yes I am really telling you that I don't think I deserve any of JP's donations that he was raising to cover the cost of my trip.
Then we are of different opinion and should just agree to disagree. If someone is using my name to earn money behind my back, then I would have a serious problem with it. But like I said, if Desrow was aware of all of this before the fact then he deserves nothing and owes MB an apology.
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Wow......reading this makes me so sick..
I've been watching Jeffs stream since he started.. been a huge fan from the start. so happy he's making it big time in the sc2 scene.
What makes me sick is that I watched A LOT of the training sessions with Desrow and the stuff he said on stream (only jeff knows what he said offstream) was really out of the line. There was a incident when Desrow called Jeff about being fat.. and he 'reasoning' was cause he was looking out for his Fiance or some bs.
Everyone on the stream was saying how anti-social desrow was, how he says things without thinking, how it was SO clear that Jeff was taking it like a man and not saying anything to him. If it wasn't for the 'fans' jeff would've kicked him out of his house like any normal person would've.
In any 'JOB' situation (Desrow being the 'Employee' and Jeff being the 'Employer') would ANYONE say these kind of things to their Employers etc?
Sc2 advertises professionalism. There was nothing professional about desrow during and after that week. He said a lot of things about that last shadow guy. That says a lot of things about his character. Who knows what he said about jeff... the guy who welcomed him into his house. Oh wait....
Good luck to you Jeff! Gratz and GG
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On August 11 2012 16:37 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.
Why? I find your morality confusing. If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it? If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence? I think you are just confused. Your analogies are completely irrelevant. Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?
Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
If i think my image is worth that much i am going to put that down, some percentage of event revenue cause i know my image sells. That is not what happened, i agreed to flat rate off 100$ in your example cause i felt that was a fair price for my service. I dont get to go after the fact and ask for more money cause i learned that JP made a lot of money. If Desrow felt he was worth more then 1000$ or whatever amount he should not of agreed. He was paid for in full for an amount he agreed on for a job he completed.
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Desrow this is f-ing insane bro.
First off your gonna talk about this the day I get on Quantic where this was a good day for me.
You guys wanna know the truth here you have it. I'm not being bias at all when I say this.
Desrow agree'd to $500. I asked him how much he makes per week and wanted to pay more. He was super happy about the $500 as I was paying for his flights/food and staying at my house. Here are my costs as follow:
Flights-$400
Food-$70ish
Pay-$500
Bought him a bed to sleep on (Got my dad to leave work to help me move it to the apartment)
$200
=$1170
The first day I got a huge donation from a big support of mine. So at 9am in the morning after being up til 4am. I went to best buy to buy him a microphone. Which cost me $130. I have recipt if he wants to see it. Just because I did really well that day and didn't want to be "greedy"
So now we're at a total of $1300.
Durning this event many things happened. First he started talking about my fiance in a sexual manner muti times. I muted my stream TWICE telling him to stop. He said sorry he was just trying to be funny. When you're in someones home that invites you there you don't talk about the mans girl like that ever. Anyway that is done. The next day he plays lostshadow on ladder and loses and RAGES hard. Calling him f*g this and that and going into this LOOONG story about what LastShadow did or didn't do in Korea. At that point I was forced to shut off the stream abd delete the VOG so no one would get it and post on reddit.
Lastshadow was pissed off and I talked to LS till 3am trying to clam him down so he didn't go public and then the whole bootcamp would be ruined. Ok that's done everything works out. The next day he starts talking about my girl again and this time it's about dudes gangbanging her. On stream I said wtf dude stop talking about her in that way. At that point the stream wasn't to happy and they could tell I was pissed. I didn't get over that since the end. So everyone on the stream thought I was upset later in the week because Desrow was hard on me but infact I was super pissed off.
Another large donation comes in and it gets topped off at the goal. In total the donations were $3500.
ON THE CHIP IN IT SAID THIS
Chip-in from Desrow Costs/MLG Trip
then below that it said $0-$9001 and it listed again. (I made it very clear that the rest of the money would be going to me as I didn't even want people thinking any would go to him)
I even told people on the stream what the money was for and DESROW KNEW. He knew the whole time we even talked about it. He said man you did well even got your trip paid for etc.
The stream made $800 in ads that week because we streamed about 12 hours a day for 7 days with 3k plus people.
So guys at the end of the day I made some money. I made more than Desrow BUT it was my RISK, I promoted the event from LAGTV my solo channel and pumped it up for a month before hand. Desrow agree'd to an amount that we both thought was fair. I didn't expect to do so well by the fans. So I got him the microphone as a thank you gift.
Now the fun part. He pm's me on skype saying he didn't think it was fair I made so much and him so little. I explained to him what I just did here. I told him flat out NO you don't deserve shit after what you said about my fiance and also fucking up the bootcamp with LastShadow stunt.
Also guys to be honest I was losing out on money, I had some stuff prerecorded but this was a time when NovaWar Says and When Cheese Fails wasn't posted in almost 3 weeks because I didn't have a chance to get with Adam because DesRow was here. I had material pre-recorded but it wasn't the high view material that we normally have up.
Anyway back to the story. CSN comes to be about a sponsorship to go to Quakecon. The first thing out Andrews mouth was I heard about desrow thing. At that point I'm like WTF. So this dude is now talking shit about me to companys. I went back to talk to him. At that point he said he went to 10 different people and most of them called him "stupid" for agreeing to the deal. He said he wanted more money and he would be happy with $300 more.
That's when I said FINE. Just so you don't run your mouth no more. TAKE THE DAMN MONEY but don't EVER ask me to do anything for you again.
Might I also add he got more followers and subscribers than what he gets in months from that one week? Also Desrow was known to be a bit of a hot head and he did very well with the public selling himself to my fan base. Which was great for him.
The whole time my fans at NASL on my stream and what not were saying how such a great person he is and all that shit and it took EVERYTHING in my power not to come out and say what I just said now.
Yeah I gave him the money $800 in total the flights/food.microphone thousands of new followers. He also compared me to Day9 making way more than dApollo and how that isn't fair. I told him I'm the one with the idea, I'm taking you here you work for ME not the other way around. Then he called me greedy.
Listen guys if he came to me FIRST without running his mouth to other people in the community and asked me nicely I MIGHT have just given him more money. (Prob not though because of what he was saying about my fiance)
Yeah I paid him off to shut up about it. It's none of anyways buiness to know how much I make or how much money Desrow makes when a deal is made between us. I don't go telling people what Quantic is giving me to be on the team. I don't expect anymore to talk about what I made that week. It's bullshit and uncalled for. This happened a month ago. You got your money what more do you want?
You lost a fan from me, I wish you the best of luck in your future.
This was just uncalled for and pointless to bring up. Thanks for sharing personal info to the public and also thanks once again for showing your true colors. I wanted to for the past month but out of respect didn't say anything because we once again had an agreement that I pay you and that was it.
(Sorry for grammar it's 5am here)
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Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
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Embarrasing and childish. Hokay. I'm nto trying to ride maximusblack, I just hate when people get shit on for no reason. Maximusblack is in the right, has every right to respond any way he pleases, and to be honest I think he's being pretty goddamn mature. I've known people like desrow who have tried to rip me off. Ntohing pisses me off more, and I know first hand how Maximus feels.
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On August 11 2012 16:57 MaximusBlack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Desrow this is f-ing insane bro.
First off your gonna talk about this the day I get on Quantic where this was a good day for me.
You guys wanna know the truth here you have it. I'm not being bias at all when I say this.
Desrow agree'd to $500. I asked him how much he makes per week and wanted to pay more. He was super happy about the $500 as I was paying for his flights/food and staying at my house. Here are my costs as follow:
Flights-$400
Food-$70ish
Pay-$500
Bought him a bed to sleep on (Got my dad to leave work to help me move it to the apartment)
$200
=$1170
The first day I got a huge donation from a big support of mine. So at 9am in the morning after being up til 4am. I went to best buy to buy him a microphone. Which cost me $130. I have recipt if he wants to see it. Just because I did really well that day and didn't want to be "greedy"
So now we're at a total of $1300.
Durning this event many things happened. First he started talking about my fiance in a sexual manner muti times. I muted my stream TWICE telling him to stop. He said sorry he was just trying to be funny. When you're in someones home that invites you there you don't talk about the mans girl like that ever. Anyway that is done. The next day he plays lostshadow on ladder and loses and RAGES hard. Calling him f*g this and that and going into this LOOONG story about what LastShadow did or didn't do in Korea. At that point I was forced to shut off the stream abd delete the VOG so no one would get it and post on reddit.
Lastshadow was pissed off and I talked to LS till 3am trying to clam him down so he didn't go public and then the whole bootcamp would be ruined. Ok that's done everything works out. The next day he starts talking about my girl again and this time it's about dudes gangbanging her. On stream I said wtf dude stop talking about her in that way. At that point the stream wasn't to happy and they could tell I was pissed. I didn't get over that since the end. So everyone on the stream thought I was upset later in the week because Desrow was hard on me but infact I was super pissed off.
Another large donation comes in and it gets topped off at the goal. In total the donations were $3500.
ON THE CHIP IN IT SAID THIS
Chip-in from Desrow Costs/MLG Trip
then below that it said $0-$9001 and it listed again. (I made it very clear that the rest of the money would be going to me as I didn't even want people thinking any would go to him)
I even told people on the stream what the money was for and DESROW KNEW. He knew the whole time we even talked about it. He said man you did well even got your trip paid for etc.
The stream made $800 in ads that week because we streamed about 12 hours a day for 7 days with 3k plus people.
So guys at the end of the day I made some money. I made more than Desrow BUT it was my RISK, I promoted the event from LAGTV my solo channel and pumped it up for a month before hand. Desrow agree'd to an amount that we both thought was fair. I didn't expect to do so well by the fans. So I got him the microphone as a thank you gift.
Now the fun part. He pm's me on skype saying he didn't think it was fair I made so much and him so little. I explained to him what I just did here. I told him flat out NO you don't deserve shit after what you said about my fiance and also fucking up the bootcamp with LastShadow stunt.
Also guys to be honest I was losing out on money, I had some stuff prerecorded but this was a time when NovaWar Says and When Cheese Fails wasn't posted in almost 3 weeks because I didn't have a chance to get with Adam because DesRow was here. I had material pre-recorded but it wasn't the high view material that we normally have up.
Anyway back to the story. CSN comes to be about a sponsorship to go to Quakecon. The first thing out Andrews mouth was I heard about desrow thing. At that point I'm like WTF. So this dude is now talking shit about me to companys. I went back to talk to him. At that point he said he went to 10 different people and most of them called him "stupid" for agreeing to the deal. He said he wanted more money and he would be happy with $300 more.
That's when I said FINE. Just so you don't run your mouth no more. TAKE THE DAMN MONEY but don't EVER ask me to do anything for you again.
Might I also add he got more followers and subscribers than what he gets in months from that one week? Also Desrow was known to be a bit of a hot head and he did very well with the public selling himself to my fan base. Which was great for him.
The whole time my fans at NASL on my stream and what not were saying how such a great person he is and all that shit and it took EVERYTHING in my power not to come out and say what I just said now.
Yeah I gave him the money $800 in total the flights/food.microphone thousands of new followers. He also compared me to Day9 making way more than dApollo and how that isn't fair. I told him I'm the one with the idea, I'm taking you here you work for ME not the other way around. Then he called me greedy.
Listen guys if he came to me FIRST without running his mouth to other people in the community and asked me nicely I MIGHT have just given him more money. (Prob not though because of what he was saying about my fiance)
Yeah I paid him off to shut up about it. It's none of anyways buiness to know how much I make or how much money Desrow makes when a deal is made between us. I don't go telling people what Quantic is giving me to be on the team. I don't expect anymore to talk about what I made that week. It's bullshit and uncalled for. This happened a month ago. You got your money what more do you want?
You lost a fan from me, I wish you the best of luck in your future.
This was just uncalled for and pointless to bring up. Thanks for sharing personal info to the public and also thanks once again for showing your true colors. I wanted to for the past month but out of respect didn't say shit because we once again had an agreement that I pay you and that was it.
(Sorry for grammar it's 5am here)
If he was aware of the donations the whole time then you owe him nothing and he owes you an apology.
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On August 11 2012 17:04 Gamegene wrote:
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
I'm sure Quantic didn't hire Maximus Black to be professional or PC. Let's also not forget that Naniwa was on Quantic. I don't think this makes Quantic look bad at all, and I'm sure many people are interested in this side of the story.
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On August 11 2012 17:07 LeisureFap wrote:
Embarrasing and childish. Hokay. I'm nto trying to ride maximusblack, I just hate when people get shit on for no reason. Maximusblack is in the right, has every right to respond any way he pleases, and to be honest I think he's being pretty goddamn mature. I've known people like desrow who have tried to rip me off. Ntohing pisses me off more, and I know first hand how Maximus feels.
I'm feeling you. Money .... to see their true colours? HEH, good trade.
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Los of people hating in this thread.
Just because he plays a certain way, doesn't mean he'll never be pro. You know Wayne Gretzky was never drafted, but to this day still holds tons of records in professional hockey.
Until he actually tries his hand at being a pro gamer, nobody can say for certain that he will fail. In life, death is the only absolute.
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On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.
Yeah because 4 gating to masters is actually hard right? Honestly there are people that are a hell of alot better than him that deserve a spot on a team no matter what their doing. Put him in a PvP against a Korean and see how his 4 gate does. Oh thats right they wouldnt even need an FF to block the ramp they'd just out micro him then out macro him and crush him. If you cant macro to save your life there is no way in hell your going to even touch GM. There is a reason why even being Top 8 master means nothing because there is such a large skill jump from a rank 1 master player (unless your a pro that missed out on getting GM at the start of a season) to top 200 in NA GM.
4 gating and dt rushing to top 8 means absolutely nothing. I'd like to see you and MB even try to 4 gate your way up to masters on KR.
Real players that actually care wouldnt accept any payment for playing bad. Was even said in Liquid Rising Ret returned his month's salary because he said he didnt deserve it because he didnt work for it. A persona only gets you so far in anything and once you slip out of it you have nothing. Dont even think going to the Quantic training house will help him any if coaching from DesRow didnt.
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On August 11 2012 17:04 Gamegene wrote:
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
It's childish to bring up a personal issue that's already been resolved in a thread like this. Desrow was trying to make MB look bad, which is painful for me to admit since despite all this I still respect Desrow for his dedication to the game and his constant attempts to improve himself.
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On August 11 2012 17:04 Gamegene wrote:
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
This. The majority here to an extent agree with you but the way it's being handled is very poor on both parts.
I don't get it, on stream you said countless times "I'm gonna be the bigger man and drop this" and yet, here we are.
Anyways, I suppose this thread should just get closed as it's no longer discussing MB's signing. Personal differences aside, it IS a big deal to get signed to any team and hopefully shit goes well.
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See, you're full of shit, because you said he 4gated to get to masters, but he rarely 4gates, and only against protoss now. Meaning he's keeping his ranking through solid macro play. And maybe coaching from someone who he gets along with will help. And not to be mean, but desrow isn't even THAT good. Better than me, yes. Better than most pro players? no.
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On August 11 2012 17:04 Gamegene wrote:
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
Did you even read MB post, he was never going to bring it up, kept quite this whole month. He was going to take the high road and let nothing be known to the public. Not only did desrow try to go and slander MB name behind his back to people in the industry if you look back on page 11 he tried to do the same thing on TL. So jeff is supposed to let someone drag his name through the gutter. Ya........................................ >.>
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On August 11 2012 17:04 Gamegene wrote:
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
I agree... somewhat. I think he should have cooled off before posting, but people wanted his side of the story and there it is. I don't think it makes his new team look bad, some may think it makes him look worse, but I don't think he did anything wrong from a business point of view. I can also understand where Desrow is coming from. If made a lot less than some one else in a business venture I'd be jealous too, but that still doesn't mean I have any right to more money.
I especially don't like how Desrow went and talked to professionals in the community and badmouthed Jeff. It reminds me of a child running to someone parents or teachers and trying to get them in trouble. Low. And then he goes and does it again in a TL thread announcing Jeff joining a team; A month later!
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Edit: Oh well, not going into this, since this wouldn't make any sense tho. But also, from most of comments I've read, someone is surely lying, do not know which one, but one seriously is.
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On August 11 2012 17:10 EntropicXG wrote:
Los of people hating in this thread.
Just because he plays a certain way, doesn't mean he'll never be pro. You know Wayne Gretzky was never drafted, but to this day still holds tons of records in professional hockey.
Until he actually tries his hand at being a pro gamer, nobody can say for certain that he will fail. In life, death is the only absolute.
Btw do some research Gretzky didnt need to be drafted. After the WHA folded the Oilers team could hold onto 4 players total (2 goalies and 2 players) when they went to the NHL. Even though he wasnt chosen to be safe the contract he signed (10 year personal service contract) in his first and only year in the WHA prevented him from even being in the draft or picked up by another team.
So many people think they know simple facts when they're completely wrong because they dont do research. Good job you just made yourself look like a dumbass. Do your research next time before stating something so stupid.
And you cant compare the skills of hockey to those of an RTS its apples and oranges. GG
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On August 11 2012 16:34 NickVids1313 wrote:So for all of you who wanted the other side of the story, the vod just went live after Jeff (MaximusBlack) went offline on TwitchTv link to vod : http://www.twitch.tv/lagtvmaximusblack/b/328209754Skip ahead to 12 minutes 50 seconds
tbh its all he said she said atm, someone credible just told me that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand
its funny because the story keeps changing, at first we were talking about whether or not it was morally incorrect for mb not to split the donations with desrow because he had both their names on it, afterwards it was proven that the box said "desrow costs/mb mlg trip" and now someone told me that desrow said that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand, unless mb confirms this this shit is just going to continue, if he does confirm it then hes the one who didnt keep his end of the bargain obv
all i got out of this story is that either desrow or mb isnt telling the truth, now i know not to trust anyone that i dont know in this community ^_^
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Well, if they agreed beforehand, then it wouldn't have taken so long/other people for desrow to feel he deserved more, and he would've said that in the first place. That's definitely not true.
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On August 11 2012 17:20 ROOTT1 wrote:tbh its all he said she said atm, someone credible just told me that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand its funny because the story keeps changing, at first we were talking about whether or not it was morally incorrect for mb not to split the donations with desrow because he had both their names on it, afterwards it was proven that the box said "desrow costs/mb mlg trip" and now someone told me that desrow said that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand, unless mb confirms this this shit is just going to continue, if he does confirm it then hes the one who didnt keep his end of the bargain obv all i got out of this story is that either desrow or mb isnt telling the truth, now i know not to trust anyone that i dont know in this community ^_^
I dont now who this person is that told you this, but it was clear to all viewers on stream and was stated numerous times throughout the stream that the donations were to pay for the cost of MaximusBlack bringing Desrow to live in his house for a week and for paying for MaximusBlack's trip to mlg. I did not hear Desrow say anything about that, and he didnt even really mention in his comments that he made this 50/50 deal with Jeff, he only mentioned that he thought he deserved more then he got and that some he thought other people might o thought that some of the donation were going to him, which was clearly not the case.
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On August 11 2012 17:20 ROOTT1 wrote:tbh its all he said she said atm, someone credible just told me that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand its funny because the story keeps changing, at first we were talking about whether or not it was morally incorrect for mb not to split the donations with desrow because he had both their names on it, afterwards it was proven that the box said "desrow costs/mb mlg trip" and now someone told me that desrow said that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand, unless mb confirms this this shit is just going to continue, if he does confirm it then hes the one who didnt keep his end of the bargain obv all i got out of this story is that either desrow or mb isnt telling the truth, now i know not to trust anyone that i dont know in this community ^_^
Then why did Desrow not say as much in the first place? He never mentioned agreeing to split the donations beforehand. Also, who would have this inside information? Unless they were there in person when it was discussed, they would be going on the word of Desrow or MB(unlikely).
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man my last comment has so many spelling mistakes in it but who cares 4:30 am
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On August 11 2012 17:20 ROOTT1 wrote:tbh its all he said she said atm, someone credible just told me that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand its funny because the story keeps changing, at first we were talking about whether or not it was morally incorrect for mb not to split the donations with desrow because he had both their names on it, afterwards it was proven that the box said "desrow costs/mb mlg trip" and now someone told me that desrow said that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand, unless mb confirms this this shit is just going to continue, if he does confirm it then hes the one who didnt keep his end of the bargain obv all i got out of this story is that either desrow or mb isnt telling the truth, now i know not to trust anyone that i dont know in this community ^_^
Seems highly unlikely considering the fact that DesRow didn't bring it up in his post. It would be kind of an important detail, as I'm sure you are aware..
You might want to adjust your 'credibility value' for the person that gave you this information, btw
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On August 11 2012 17:20 ROOTT1 wrote:tbh its all he said she said atm, someone credible just told me that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand its funny because the story keeps changing, at first we were talking about whether or not it was morally incorrect for mb not to split the donations with desrow because he had both their names on it, afterwards it was proven that the box said "desrow costs/mb mlg trip" and now someone told me that desrow said that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand, unless mb confirms this this shit is just going to continue, if he does confirm it then hes the one who didnt keep his end of the bargain obv all i got out of this story is that either desrow or mb isnt telling the truth, now i know not to trust anyone that i dont know in this community ^_^
Dude, you'll be just fine, if you follow one golden rule about deals.
Everything is in writing in advance of closing the deal. Full disclosure. Do that, and your gaming career will be full of less headaches.
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On August 11 2012 17:20 ROOTT1 wrote:tbh its all he said she said atm, someone credible just told me that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand its funny because the story keeps changing, at first we were talking about whether or not it was morally incorrect for mb not to split the donations with desrow because he had both their names on it, afterwards it was proven that the box said "desrow costs/mb mlg trip" and now someone told me that desrow said that they verbally agreed to split the donations beforehand, unless mb confirms this this shit is just going to continue, if he does confirm it then hes the one who didnt keep his end of the bargain obv all i got out of this story is that either desrow or mb isnt telling the truth, now i know not to trust anyone that i dont know in this community ^_^
Desrows own post
On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
Ya see that part, if you agree to split you are not going to ask if you "deserve" more. You are going to ask for how much you agreed too.
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Not sure if mentioned in long thread, but damn the perspective of that photograph is unflattering, haha. Good luck to all parties.
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If I compare Desrow's to MB's 'testimony', I would say that MB is totally and utterly in the right, not Desrow.
However, let's see how this evolves. It's Desrow's turn to argue now.
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MB,
congratz on your fiance, btw.
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To be honest, I think DesRow is way out of line. I can understanding him wanting more money, but talking behind Jeff's back about it really makes him seem like Jeff got ripped off. He got verbally attacked as an end result of it all, and now there's a bunch of crap going on about it.
Jeff just needs to be more careful about who he deals with in the future, and DesRow needs to stop complaining and focus on his own game, not on what Jeff is up to.
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When i first came to read this thread, people were critizing mb for being in quantic (Not that i care). Now i read back and there is some drama going on about desrow and mb.
1. desrow claims its a joke. Too bad desrow isnt smart enough to realize those jokes are hurting some people. He cant keep thinking its a "joke".
2. i dunno why desrow even stated something private out in public. The way i see it, he cant keep his mouth shut about mb's fiance or the situation between them.
3. He AGREED to the payment, whether he deserves more or not It shouldnt be a negotiable thing.
I see alot of fault on desrow in this drama so far
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Not sure what the hell happened here because I'm too tired/buzzed to go through and find out. Will look in the morning for anything ban worthy.
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