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To: superpenguin Subject: Very Serious Accusation. Date: 5/14 09:02 Hey.. i've been watching reps with your program.. today i downloaded from ygclan a replay of Sea.s2 aka NaDa, Well, according to your program NaDa seems to be 'cheating' in 2 occasion during the game... First he moves on mineral field which he didnt have vision for a goof while, and then he atacks mutalisk that he never saw 'cause they were just built...
anyway please, download the replay and tell me if im wrong (i really wish i am) or tell me NaDa kind of cheated in that game...
In that replay he ALSO did very suspicious action, clicking on a Vespene Gayser without vision for a very very good while..
Ill wait for your final answer
Greetings
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From: superpenguin Subject: Re: Very Serious Accusation. Date: 5/14 11:07 I will check it, but the more probable explainantion is to check for borderline case, or if the replay is from an old patch/corrupted, or from someone smurfing nada in a fake replay.
If it's one of the 2 first ones, i will ask you to copy 20 times on a paper "I will respect penguin's method before i think someone is a cheater"
From: superpenguin Subject: Re: Very Serious Accusation. Date: 5/14 13:57 I watched just 2 times it and i think that your opinion might be accurate, but i will need more time to check and recheck.
The thing that you realy need to be 100% sure is that the player is realy nada, and not any nada copy, nada spoofer, or anything that would make this replay a fake. When i accused selectors and lois, i knew that the wgt bot was there in case of problems to validate the player's name, and also the risk of someone wanting to pretend he is "as good as lois" by copying his name and using a maphack was very low it's important to check this BEFORE you start to explain people that you have doubt about this replay containing maphack proof.
Do you understand korean ? can you check the comments on the site you gave to me, maybe you can try to ask them if they can be sure if it's a spoof or not. Is the replay posted by nada himself ? do you know any nada fan that could check with their excelent knowledge of him if the hotkeys / style / base layout match 100% with nada way of playing (theres more than 1 player that can have a 300 apm).
If you can give me the proof that he is nada for sure, i will continue to investigate to know if the replay contains cheating proof or not, but i cant give my final analyse on this replay if you cant authentify the players in it.
an other thing that i would like to tell you : If you want to accuse someone, you have to be particulary accurate about the exact time of the suspicious actions.
From: superpenguin Subject: Re: About NaDa replay Date: 5/15 05:29 ok, your name will remain completely annonymous, and even the fact that "someone else" pointed me the replay if you wish.
i dont know yet if i will use it, but if i do : I will try to see with other people known in the sc communauty, to ask 1- if they think it's realy nada 2- if they agree on the proof 3- if they think it should stay secret that he cheated "just cos it's nada"
it can take 2 weeks, or more, or less
If they have the same opinion as i do, i will first start a thread "R] is it realy nada in this replay ?", then an other thread about possible proof of cheating in those replays, i will apear to be less than 100% sure, because i'm going to be heavily flamed, like 100x more than when i denounced lois, so i better not announce the fact in a too agressive way
From: superpenguin Subject: Re: :o Date: 5/15 11:15 I will do it with my name, but i need 2 weeks before, to talk about this to some other names in the SC communauty, before it goes public.
I still belive it could be a smurf, in general theres more vod than replays for progammers like nada, and i dont want to risk nada reputation if it's not him.
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He never made a thread about it, he didn't want to risk it...
I don't have the replays, but it was this year, Date: 5(May)/14th 09:02, check for your replays, ask penguinplug if you know him for the replay..... look at wgtour, and other replay sites--
Lost Temple, TvZ NaDa at 9 oclock vs Zerg at 3' (at least in one game, dont remember the other one) Nickname: Sea.S2
Someone who wants to have the truth do it, and you'll get it, i myself will be 99% it was him indeed, apm was too high, replay published everywhere... and the style was NaDa , until someone proves me wrong, or NaDa himself does.
Didn't read all of it but if it's true, I doubt nada really cares because b.net is just b.net for them, and they are the shit when it comes to offline competitions.
So for me it wouldn't really matter, nor would I really care.
OMFG NADA SUCKS NOW I HATE HIM FOR BEING A FORMER HACKER!!! HE DEFINITELY DESERVES TO BE LAST IN KESPA RANKINGS TOO AND HE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF HIS OSL TITLES REVOKED RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111eleven
yeh, neither would i matter twisted i still <3 nada so much, but sometimes just for curious its fun to know things, that Nada someday did hack.. for what purpose? thats another story.
Not the first time a hack is detected in Nada's replay. There was a thread about that before too. Oh, its old PMs, so yah, basicly there was a thread about that already.
On January 02 2006 18:28 Freezer_au wrote: Sea.S2 is not Nada anymore,that account belongs to his friend. Nada uses a different account on West now due to all the people bothering him.
by the time the replay was released NaDa had an interview about 1 or 2 months before, where he confirmed he was playing with that account. Ask WGTour Dinnin.
From my knowledge, some progamers use maphack not because they want to "win", but so that they can take a closer/better look at newly released maps while they're playing, and to study their opponents' timing. My guess is that they tell their opponents before they start their game.
And Twisted put it perfectly.. It doesn't matter to me at all whether he hacked or not, really.
I've been saying this line too much but again.. "Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously"
Maybe him and his opponent were playing with vision of eachother for fun? The possibilities are endless. At the end of the day he is one of the greatest Terran players fucking around on bnet with clanmates and random friends.
On January 02 2006 18:28 Freezer_au wrote: Sea.S2 is not Nada anymore,that account belongs to his friend. Nada uses a different account on West now due to all the people bothering him.
by the time the replay was released NaDa had an interview about 1 or 2 months before, where he confirmed he was playing with that account. Ask WGTour Dinnin.
When Dinnin interviewed NaDa he accepted that he used Skyinthesea at WSL...
On January 02 2006 18:49 wu wrote: From my knowledge, some progamers use maphack not because they want to "win", but so that they can take a closer/better look at newly released maps while they're playing, and to study their opponents' timing. My guess is that they tell their opponents before they start their game.
And Twisted put it perfectly.. It doesn't matter to me at all whether he hacked or not, really.
I've been saying this line too much but again.. "Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously"
Exactly what I was going to say.
Boxer used to hack on b.net too. I really don't think the pros give 2 shits about battlenet, they use the hack as just another practice tool to get timing exactly right.
Edit: This is one of the reasons people hate former hackers so much, because they claim that they got good the "easy way." I really don't care either way, as long as you don't hack in a league or ladder or somesuch.
On January 02 2006 18:28 Freezer_au wrote: Sea.S2 is not Nada anymore,that account belongs to his friend. Nada uses a different account on West now due to all the people bothering him.
by the time the replay was released NaDa had an interview about 1 or 2 months before, where he confirmed he was playing with that account. Ask WGTour Dinnin.
When Dinnin interviewed NaDa he accepted that he used Skyinthesea at WSL...
Yeah, the fact that Nada was hacking may bother some people simply on principle, but I'm sure he had a reason for hacking, whether he didnt' care for the game or he wanted the timings down.
Seriously, who cares if an Ongamenet champion hacks on battle.net once.
Yeah, he definitely needs hacks to win. gg, this clearly proves that all he's accomplished should be revoked and he should be banned from professional leagues.
now bug you have done it, this is the most stupid post i have ever seen, you declare you do this for fun.. yet you dare to believe such nonsense, and to search LIKE A FUCKING FREAK for "hackers" or "cheaters" to even include progamers, if he hacked who cares? we all hav Fvod of him, we all know how gosu he is -_- you are an idiot and a huge one, and Dknight is right, you big gossiper. those were private messages, and you post them here, are u retarded? hey wanna know what to do for your life? work in a show like "paty chapoy" (mexican gossip tv show) u really have the talent and stupidity for that -__- bug understand something you are stupid-hated-and a freak- also you are extremely ugly so FUCK OFF
i second what PaeZ said, who the fuck cares about if he hacked or not? he has won more money than you would ever do so stfu plz... your topics are all useless. it seems that you still dont take the part that everyone everywhere hates you and your stupid topics. seriously, do us a favor and get the hell away from the BW scene...
On January 02 2006 22:08 sTrAtO wrote: i second what PaeZ said, who the fuck cares about if he hacked or not? he has won more money than you would ever do so stfu plz... your topics are all useless. it seems that you still dont take the part that everyone everywhere hates you and your stupid topics. seriously, do us a favor and get the hell away from the BW scene...
lol, like if my hapiness would come of people liking me in bw... and with that comment if the money hahahah you talk like if you will fucking make as much money as him, talk to me in 10 years, bye. And yeah you will have me here until i want to.
On January 02 2006 22:04 PaeZ wrote: now bug you have done it, this is the most stupid post i have ever seen, you declare you do this for fun.. yet you dare to believe such nonsense, and to search LIKE A FUCKING FREAK for "hackers" or "cheaters" to even include progamers, if he hacked who cares? we all hav Fvod of him, we all know how gosu he is -_- you are an idiot and a huge one, and Dknight is right, you big gossiper. those were private messages, and you post them here, are u retarded? hey wanna know what to do for your life? work in a show like "paty chapoy" (mexican gossip tv show) u really have the talent and stupidity for that -__- bug understand something you are stupid-hated-and a freak- also you are extremely ugly so FUCK OFF
i dont think your parents love you, or you have inner problems.
This whole topic is a non-starter. I'm sure WGT)DarkXprT meant well (so let's all give the guy a break, seriously), but I think he lost a bit of perspective in his investigative zeal.
I really wouldn't care at all. If he thinks it's better practice to maphack to get a better feel for how things time out, he can do it. If he just doesn't want a bunch of replays coursing around the internet of a nobody beating him, so he cheats to win against them consistently, I wouldn't mind that either.
Not saying he did it, because I really don't believe he would, but if he did, I would not think any less of him. At the end of the day, he goes up on stage and plays LAN against the best players in the world, and he wins.
Battle.net is a complete joke to that man, just like UMS is a joke to us, there's no way he takes it seriously.
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