EPTTo: superpenguin
Subject: Very Serious Accusation.
Date: 5/14 09:02
Hey.. i've been watching reps with your program.. today i downloaded from ygclan a replay of Sea.s2 aka NaDa, Well, according to your program NaDa seems to be 'cheating' in 2 occasion during the game... First he moves on mineral field which he didnt have vision for a goof while, and then he atacks mutalisk that he never saw 'cause they were just built...
anyway please, download the replay and tell me if im wrong (i really wish i am) or tell me NaDa kind of cheated in that game...
Here is the replay link:
http://ygclan.vgaclub.co.kr/?m=replay&board=gosureplay&rno=48293
The next replay vs the same Zerg is here.
http://ygclan.vgaclub.co.kr/?m=replay&board=gosureplay&rno=48295
In that replay he ALSO did very suspicious action, clicking on a Vespene Gayser without vision for a very very good while..
Ill wait for your final answer
Greetings
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From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: Very Serious Accusation.
Date: 5/14 11:07
I will check it, but the more probable explainantion is to check for borderline case, or if the replay is from an old patch/corrupted, or from someone smurfing nada in a fake replay.
If it's one of the 2 first ones, i will ask you to copy 20 times on a paper "I will respect penguin's method before i think someone is a cheater"
From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: Very Serious Accusation.
Date: 5/14 13:57
I watched just 2 times it and i think that your opinion might be accurate, but i will need more time to check and recheck.
The thing that you realy need to be 100% sure is that the player is realy nada, and not any nada copy, nada spoofer, or anything that would make this replay a fake. When i accused selectors and lois, i knew that the wgt bot was there in case of problems to validate the player's name, and also the risk of someone wanting to pretend he is "as good as lois" by copying his name and using a maphack was very low it's important to check this BEFORE you start to explain people that you have doubt about this replay containing maphack proof.
Do you understand korean ? can you check the comments on the site you gave to me, maybe you can try to ask them if they can be sure if it's a spoof or not. Is the replay posted by nada himself ? do you know any nada fan that could check with their excelent knowledge of him if the hotkeys / style / base layout match 100% with nada way of playing (theres more than 1 player that can have a 300 apm).
If you can give me the proof that he is nada for sure, i will continue to investigate to know if the replay contains cheating proof or not, but i cant give my final analyse on this replay if you cant authentify the players in it.
an other thing that i would like to tell you : If you want to accuse someone, you have to be particulary accurate about the exact time of the suspicious actions.
From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: About NaDa replay
Date: 5/15 05:29
ok, your name will remain completely annonymous, and even the fact that "someone else" pointed me the replay if you wish.
i dont know yet if i will use it, but if i do :
I will try to see with other people known in the sc communauty, to ask
1- if they think it's realy nada
2- if they agree on the proof
3- if they think it should stay secret that he cheated "just cos it's nada"
it can take 2 weeks, or more, or less
If they have the same opinion as i do, i will first start a thread "R] is it realy nada in this replay ?", then an other thread about possible proof of cheating in those replays, i will apear to be less than 100% sure, because i'm going to be heavily flamed, like 100x more than when i denounced lois, so i better not announce the fact in a too agressive way
From: superpenguin
Subject: Re: :o
Date: 5/15 11:15
I will do it with my name, but i need 2 weeks before, to talk about this to some other names in the SC communauty, before it goes public.
I still belive it could be a smurf, in general theres more vod than replays for progammers like nada, and i dont want to risk nada reputation if it's not him.
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He never made a thread about it, he didn't want to risk it...
I don't have the replays, but it was this year, Date: 5(May)/14th 09:02, check for your replays, ask penguinplug if you know him for the replay..... look at wgtour, and other replay sites--
Lost Temple, TvZ NaDa at 9 oclock vs Zerg at 3' (at least in one game, dont remember the other one) Nickname: Sea.S2
Someone who wants to have the truth do it, and you'll get it, i myself will be 99% it was him indeed, apm was too high, replay published everywhere... and the style was NaDa , until someone proves me wrong, or NaDa himself does.
