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xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 14:40:34
June 16 2012 14:29 GMT
#1
If there is no obvious responsible party, we find a scapegoat. And what happens if no acceptable scapegoats are in sight? We credit a supernatual one.

- Matthew Hutson, The 7 Laws of Magical Thinking.

http://magicalthinkingbook.com/book/
http://www.amazon.com/The-Laws-Magical-Thinking-Irrational/dp/1594630879

I have just finished reading the book and I think it is excellent. It discusses, among many things, why belief in God and irrational beliefs is actually good for us and our sanity. I think it offers a good and discussion point for believers, atheists, and god-haters on the psychological and practical uses of such belief system. I would like to present here for discussion some points from the book.

The existence of suffering in the world has made people question their faith for millennia. And yet many believers, rather than reject their faith, attempt to understand the purpose of the suffering. They see it as part of God’s plan

Both Christian and Muslim leaders claimed the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami that killed a quarter of a million people in Indonesia was punishment from God. After Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans in 2005, Mayor Ray Nagin said God was “mad at America” for the Iraq war, while a Christian group noted a resemblance between a satellite image of the storm and an ultrasound image of a fetus, suggesting that Katrina came to avenge the “ten child-murder-by-abortion centers” in Louisiana. Glenn Beck called the earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan in early 2011 a “message” to humanity. And of course Noah would have something to say on the matter of floods. It’s no coincidence the legal term for an unpreventable natural disaster is an “act of God.”

We might even give more credit to a higher power for bad stuff than for good stuff. We tend to think more about what causes negative experiences than positive experiences, in part because they’re more unexpected and in part because they mean something’s wrong and needs diagnosing and fixing. And our favorite types of explanations are those involving intentional agents (usually a person or animal), rather than chance or impersonal causality, because we can do more with that information. So it makes logical sense that good fortune goes unquestioned but disruptions become whodunits.

All this belief and blaming on the supernatural (God) provide a good handle to people to get a perspective on the problem and approach it properly, whether the manner of doing this is theological (praying and doing good works) or practical (directly taking responsibility and eventually addressing the issue). The more important issue therefore is not on the empirical evidence of the existence of God, but on why such beliefs offer a reinforcing feedback on some people in their encounter with problems in life.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
June 16 2012 14:35 GMT
#2
i don't see this thread ending well... you should generally try to avoid religious discussions on tl
LucidityDark
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom139 Posts
June 16 2012 14:36 GMT
#3
If people can't accept that bad things happen and end up pinning it on a supernatural being, they're only being foolish as we have many explanations for such disasters. While religion may contribute to solving problems, things that aren't religious also contribute to solving problems. People would send aid to areas that have been devastated regardless of whether a religious organisation was telling them to do it or not.
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
June 16 2012 14:36 GMT
#4
I didn't seen you mention the antagonists of the mind like buddha. He is very important part of the psycological aspect of belief in idels and shouldn't to be forgot. Sometimes the mind is like a jaguar, sometimes like a lion, but all the time like a brain. It is this beliefes that holds us tether to the stone.
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
June 16 2012 14:37 GMT
#5
I think we have different definitions of sanity.
alderamin
Profile Joined June 2012
80 Posts
June 16 2012 14:37 GMT
#6
How are believing irrational things and being sane the same thing? Being insane could mean you believe irrational things.

Only thing that matters is if the beleif is true or not. If you don't care about what is true adn what is not, we don't have anything to talk about.
logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
June 16 2012 14:38 GMT
#7
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."
-- GK Chesterton
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
June 16 2012 14:39 GMT
#8
On June 16 2012 23:35 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
i don't see this thread ending well... you should generally try to avoid religious discussions on tl


TL is probably one of the only online forums where you can talk about religion without it becoming a massive flame/shitstorm.
Meantime
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany140 Posts
June 16 2012 14:39 GMT
#9
On June 16 2012 23:35 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
i don't see this thread ending well... you should generally try to avoid religious discussions on the internet


fixed that for you.
I've been thinking what to do wit' my future. I could be a mud doctor. Checkin' out the eart'. Underneat'
EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 14:43:50
June 16 2012 14:41 GMT
#10
Leave the religious discussions off of TL... just for the sake of saving headaches trying to argue with religious people is pointless because what they think they believe isn't based off of a logical standpoint.

Being in a world filled with religious people is not good for my sanity at all, hence your title is clearly an incorrect hypothesis.

I think if everyone DIDN'T believe in talking snakes and magical trees, invisible sky daddies, I'd feel a hell of a lot saner.
Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
June 16 2012 14:42 GMT
#11
Yes, we atheists all go insane and need medical support.
Seriously i can understand that people are weak and need to belive in something to not crumble, but we for the most part would be a lot better off without god. And by a lot better off i mean i'd be living on the moon right now.
People need to man up and accept that when we die we return to nothingness. Basically people's weakness are the reason we are not more technologically advanced. Also a lot more people would be alive if it wasn't for the church.

In relation to the quote : in the middle age they also found a supernatural scapegoat in witches, see how that turned out ?

Having said all of that i will admit that i don't recall buddah doing anything bad for mankind, so i guess i wouldn't mind if everyone who can't handle life belived in a god as inoffensive as him.

Also a religion thread here is like a trollbait.
#adun giveafuck - - - "Did this guy just randomly finger me?" - Sayle
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
June 16 2012 14:43 GMT
#12
Be mature guys. Downright negativity and back seat moderating is not a way to discuss topics. If you feel it is too much for you, you may choose not to chime in. There are others who will happily discuss things that you don't find important.
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
June 16 2012 14:43 GMT
#13
On June 16 2012 23:42 Marti wrote:
Also a lot more people would be alive if it wasn't for the church.


This is a ridiculous claim backed by absolutely no proof whatsoever.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 14:46:49
June 16 2012 14:43 GMT
#14
I actually saw something interesting about this on youtube:

among other things it explains how religion is one of the things that can keep a person sane. Apart from that, I'm not really religious myself, but I usually find it a charming trait as in my eyes it shows a certain modesty if a person is willing to accept that there will always be someone/something above them, regardless of how powerful they get.


On June 16 2012 23:42 Marti wrote:
Yes, we atheists all go insane and need medical support.
Seriously i can understand that people are weak and need to belive in something to not crumble, but we for the most part would be a lot better off without god. And by a lot better off i mean i'd be living on the moon right now.
People need to man up and accept that when we die we return to nothingness. Basically people's weakness are the reason we are not more technologically advanced. Also a lot more people would be alive if it wasn't for the church.

In relation to the quote : in the middle age they also found a supernatural scapegoat in witches, see how that turned out ?

Having said all of that i will admit that i don't recall buddah doing anything bad for mankind, so i guess i wouldn't mind if everyone who can't handle life belived in a god as inoffensive as him.

Also a religion thread here is like a trollbait.


Apparently it is bait for short sighted people like you. You "can't understand that people are weak and need to believe in something to not crumble"? Easy to say for someone he is sitting on his ass behind his computer being cynical about the world. Open your eyes man, there are people who go through such unimaginable suffering that to me it's not so strange that they would choose to believe in something that might be unimaginable for others.
EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 14:49:19
June 16 2012 14:44 GMT
#15
On June 16 2012 23:43 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
Be mature guys. Downright negativity and back seat moderating is not a way to discuss topics. If you feel it is too much for you, you may choose not to chime in. There are others who will happily discuss things that you don't find important.


No, it's because it's important and we find it important that it shouldn't be discussed on TL like this.

@Above: Religion is the OPPOSSITE of modesty. It's based off of narcissism. Ever seen a religious person who disagrees with what god does? no. Funny how they always share the same opinions. Funny how religious people get offended when you badmouth god...it's almost as if you're talking about THEM.

Isn't it strange how if you ask a religious person "what if god said killing children was ok (which he does anyway)" they say "he wouldnt say that"....what they mean is "I Wouldn't say that" because they are "god" in their subconscious.

Religion is the oppossite of modesty, it's extreme narcissism and that's why they're so grounded in their beliefs. It protects their ego to pretend their beliefs are divinely inspires. Without it, they feel insecure.

Also, you act like all atheists think they're the best person in the world...ridiculous. I know there's always better PEOPLE than me which is more important.
Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
vgrezende
Profile Joined May 2012
Brazil66 Posts
June 16 2012 14:45 GMT
#16
On June 16 2012 23:29 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:

Both Christian and Muslim leaders claimed the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami that killed a quarter of a million people in Indonesia was punishment from God. After Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans in 2005, Mayor Ray Nagin said God was “mad at America” for the Iraq war, while a Christian group noted a resemblance between a satellite image of the storm and an ultrasound image of a fetus, suggesting that Katrina came to avenge the “ten child-murder-by-abortion centers” in Louisiana. Glenn Beck called the earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan in early 2011 a “message” to humanity. And of course Noah would have something to say on the matter of floods. It’s no coincidence the legal term for an unpreventable natural disaster is an “act of God.”


Yeah, that's exactly how I would describe sane people.
Born to fast expand
Zihua
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands177 Posts
June 16 2012 14:45 GMT
#17
On June 16 2012 23:39 Meantime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2012 23:35 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
i don't see this thread ending well... you should generally try to avoid religious discussions on the internet


fixed that for you.


Well, yes, if you're a theist. In real life you can appeal to "decency" and act offended and make it seem like you're not completely full of shit. No such luck on the internet.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
June 16 2012 14:46 GMT
#18
this will inevitably turn into a shit show, but here's my 2 cents. religion sucks and shouldn't exist, but it's so deeply rooted in human history that it always will. people will believe what they believe. ignorance is bliss, but i don't see stephen hawking falling apart at the seams.
The universe created an audience for itself.
jakek95
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom351 Posts
June 16 2012 14:47 GMT
#19
The belief in death keeps us sane not god as it gives us a reason to do stuff otherwise what would be the point?
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 16 2012 14:48 GMT
#20
I don't understand the point of these ideas. Any thinking person knows this not to be true.
All this belief and blaming on the supernatural (God) provide a good handle to people to get a perspective on the problem and approach it properly, whether the manner of doing this is theological (praying and doing good works)

I don't think approaching a problem properly involves praying...might just be me but you should actually act and work towards solving something if you want to get it done, instead of standing around waiting for the hand in the sky that never comes. And secondly doing "good works" has nothing to do with being theological. It's a philosophical/moral realm. So you contradict yourself when you say a belief in God gives a good handle on how to solve problems and approach it properly.
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