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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:38 iTsCaRNaGe wrote: Well he's not a pro because he's no longer on a team  Grubbys not on a team...hes not a pro too? If you can sustain yourself then your a pro. Destiny can do that through streaming. If his viewers were to drop so low he cant sustain himself he will no longer be a pro. But if he can make a living streaming LOL hell become a pro LoL player/entertainer. | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
Have any of you ever considered what most black people think about using "nigger" as an insult? Or a gay person using "faggot"? An Asian using "gook"? What about the NAACP? GLAAD? | ||
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brokor
Greece235 Posts
however anyone who gets offended by smth people say , especially on the internet, is just a fragile little kid who cannot survive on his own. i have never, ever called someone racist and whenever smth has offended me i just let it slide because i know i am better than preaching to someone on the intricasies of being offended. also i usually just get over it and go on with my life (i was a nerdy asthmatic kid, albeit tall , so i have been picked on quite a lot in my time. i am still as nerdy and sunstarved although now i am a hairy broadshouldered man but i don't get how people let what others say offend them, and give them power by akcnowledging it) good luck to destiny and quantic. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:40 CaptainCrush wrote: That's a double standard on the part of TL, especially when their own mod was acting just as out of line as Destiny was. Sad but Destiny should know better arguing with one of the TL mod isn't gonna bring a pretty outcome. He should just tolerated it. | ||
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iTsCaRNaGe
22 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:41 Littlemuff wrote: Grubbys not on a team...hes not a pro too? If you can sustain yourself then your a pro. Destiny can do that through streaming. If his viewers were to drop so low he cant sustain himself he will no longer be a pro. But if he can make a living streaming LOL hell become a pro LoL player/entertainer. Once again, guess I should have made it more obvious I was joking. | ||
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
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freetgy
1720 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:35 BXiT wrote: Did I say something like that ? Don't write words in my name. It's not unlikely that when somebody point out some weakness of my solutions to a problem, I respond with a gentle faggot. More likely when I'm still right. Maturity is not defined by your langage, but by the awareness you have. The ability you have to understand what somebody really means, the ability to put your attention where is matters. In a way, it's like when we says, Masters know how much they sucks at the game. For me, in term of mind awareness, you seems like a bronzie, unable to understand what I say. How am i supposed to understand the insult as his opponent (if i didn't know destiny? he insulted me directy period). People still defending destiny, because he was kicked out of the team (aka "he left out of his own free will"). That the result if you use racistic language in a supposed to be professionall eviroment. What do you think every other "real" sport team would do if a player was insulting the opponent player like this on camera using racistic language. (punishment of course) Just because he was angry doesn't remove he intention in using racistic terms to insult his opponent specifically. It is just sad that he doesn't realize it is wrong for a professional player to do it, just because "he doesn't really mean it in a racist way". | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:40 Corrosive wrote: Can you explain how my posts came across as homophobic when the first thing i said about "faggot" was that warden was using it in a non-homophobic context, and then explaining that most people don't use it in a homophobic context anymore? Seems like you're just trying to bait out angry responses from people. You realize that you don't get to just magically choose the context of your words right. They have a meaning and a history. | ||
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:26 BXiT wrote: Well nigger is a bit strong where I live, but the equivalent of pussy or faggot wouldn't be the first. I guess I work with people with a more mature mind on average that this community. I guess the main difference it is far more easier to guess the correct mind of the people saying these kind of words, irl. The point is just that acting professionally does not really means anything, since it is our acting that define what is it. It's not like it is defined by some superior being we should listen to. What defines professional behaviour is what your profession decides is professional behaviour. Your work in an office, presumably, surrounded by co-workers and have a somewhat bantering environment wherein that sort of language is deemed okay. I doubt that any PR people that work there will go out and use that language when interacting with customers/clients and I suspect if you did so while representing the company they'd take a dim view of that. I work more directly with the general public and I would get fired, instantly, for using language like that regardless of whether there was a complaint or not because my boss and the company wouldn't tolerate the poor representation. And that's more what happened with Destiny, he was on his stream, in public, representing his team and sponsors and said what he did, if he was in a more insular team environment with no public stream he might get away with saying stuff like that but he was presenting the public face of the Quantic team. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:43 SnuggleZhenya wrote: You realize that you don't get to just magically choose the context of your words right. They have a meaning and a history. You mean a word that for most of its history didn't mean homosexual male? | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:35 BXiT wrote: Did I say something like that ? Don't write words in my name. It's not unlikely that when somebody point out some weakness of my solutions to a problem, I respond with a gentle faggot. More likely when I'm still right. Maturity is not defined by your langage, but by the awareness you have. The ability you have to understand what somebody really means, the ability to put your attention where is matters. In a way, it's like when we says, Masters know how much they sucks at the game. For me, in term of mind awareness, you seems like a bronzie, unable to understand what I say. Oh so your company does actually care how you curse? You can't simply throw offensive words here and there willy nilly--it has to fit the situation at hand. It's kind of like, you need to keep the language appropriate for the current situation you are in. You don't call your boss who gave you a raise an ass monkey, but you can call your co-worker a faggot, but only when you are in having a lighthearted exchange where you understand yourself as being in the right. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia981 Posts
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Racism is bad and racist comments have no place, in gaming and in the world. Let's move on. | ||
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BXiT
France44 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:43 freetgy wrote: How am i supposed to understand the insult as his opponent, if i didn't know destiny. People still defending destiny, because he was kicked out of the team (aka "he left out of his own free will"). That the result if you use racistic language in a supposed to be professionall eviroment. What do you think every other "real" sport team would do if a player was insulting the opponent player like this on camera using racistic language. (punishment of course) Just because he was angry doesn't remove he intentionally used racistic terms to insult his opponent specifically. It is just sad that he doesn't realize it is okay for a professional player to do it, just because he doesn't really "mean it in a racist way". You don't know destiny, and that is my point. I really don't respect "real" sport. Some players on the french national team recently made a scandale my hiring minor whore from east europe. It is morally wrong in many ways and illegal, they have been blamed by media and so. They still play. In regard to that, I really thing you should continue your silly crusade against Destiny. Rofl. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On the other hand i would admin stream lists like the forum and keep it clean. The moderation is a problem, but if you look at youtube, there are tons of copy right hunters that just skim through youtube, to have videos blocked (well in germany). So it can easily work over reports. But thats the decision of the admins of a website, how to handle their site. But one part of destiny is pretty nice, you can avoid him fairly easily. There is only his stream and a few threads that you must not click. And on Ladder just cheese him with a probe rush and leave with a gg. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:39 BXiT wrote: I've seen far too much conference and Ph.D defense to disagree when you say you can't clearly insinuate someone is stupid in front of everyone, and stay untouched by that. Acting professionlly means acting within acceptable limits, the problem is that we probably have not set the limits at the same point. Stating that has the same public significancy that the CEO of Quantic (for what is worth) or Razer in front of a press conference is really far fetch. Even in this case, I bet you that the customers really don't watch that and by their products only for their products, not for the personnality of their CEO, and even less from the one of Destiny... You should stop thinking that the world is lead by esport. lol. The limits are set by society and it is widely accepted that racism and race-hate language are not acceptable. Hell, here in the UK racism is a crime, punishable by criminal law. Technically someone doing that kind of thing here could be taken to court. And it DOES have the same significance, because he was a chosen representative of Quantic and Razer. Quantic didn't HAVE to have him representing them and Razer doesn't HAVE to sponsor Quantic. They chose to do so, therefore the actions of their employees and the people they sponsor are their responsibility. To take other examples: when "famous" people are in adverts for a particular product then they are representing that product. That is why when people have scandals the company drops them and stops the advert involving them. Your last comment is merely hyperbole. E-sport is led by e-sport. No more, no less. If people want it taken seriously rather than as a childish mess of racism, bigotry, misogny and homophobia then they have to deal with those issues when they come up. Because they are issues taht matter to society and therefore reflect on e-sport's place in society. Ultimately it isn't up to e-sport to change society conventions on language as you seem to think. | ||
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GatorGar
Somalia77 Posts
This community really seems to have gone to shit lately. There must be something in the water. In my opinion it's blood. It's the blood of Katu and Orb and DJ Wheat for being mean on SOTG and Destiny and Day9 for not doing SOTG and Cloud for being vocal and all these other community figures who you little power-trippers hang out to dry. I used to be proud of this community; now I realize it's primarily a bunch of pretentious squabblers who don't get the attention they need in real life, so they come to the internet to get it. It's been a long night with this research paper I had to get that off my chest. Yes my grammar is fucked because my brain is fried (9 hours straight of writing). | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
On May 04 2012 18:29 Incognoto wrote: etc. + Show Spoiler + Now let's take this example: http://i.imgur.com/y8F8n.jpg Imagine if instead, it had said "the absolute epitome of being a skill-less fucking fucking idiot, fuck off you dog" If that's what had been said there would have been none of this pointless drama, even though both of expressions mean the same thing. The one thing that annoys me is that no one is going to really change their mind of the issue, yet they're going to refuse to at least hear the other side of the argument. I don't want people to change their minds, I want people to agree to disagree. I'm pretty sure that no one who's faced Destiny on the ladder has gone off and killed themselves or broke down to tears after Destiny flamed them. etc. So why didn’t Destiny use the term dog or something like that, instead of gook? In fact he could have chosen any word in the dictionary, but instead he latched on to the thing Warden gave him which he thought might sting the most: “ᄌᄌ” or in other words, a race based attack. In truth these words do have different implications, especially on the reciving end - calling someone a gook is not the same as calling them a dog, or a duck, or a sausage. You might have seen Destiny post a Stephen Fry clip, where he’s talking about the use of swearing, along similar lines to the argument Destiny uses in the video. But Stephen Fry was talking in the context of general free expression, not justifying “You fucking gook” insults targeted towards other people; in fact Stephen Fry threatens to leave Twitter all the time over internet insults like Destiny’s. You know why? Because he has manic depression, despite his intelligence he has an emotional response to these insults. You know how it’s really illogical to go into a big SC2 tournament and get nervous and play like shit because of it? Like, I could just say.. don’t get nervous, you idiot, it’s 100% an emotional response. But even the most rational people in the world can’t help getting nervous. Some people have an emotional response to certain insults in the same way for whatever the reason; you can’t just presume everyone’s brain interoperates the world in the same way, or that they should get over it. So perhaps people should be considerate and just not use these words or put forward the intent for the sake of being dark & edgy, because it makes ladder really shitty to play on sometimes. Mite b cool. Not to say Destiny is the only one who does it, it feels like many of the foreigners try to act as idiotic as possible sometimes. I don’t like Idra’s targeting of Cruncher either or his “kimchi man” antics, but I wouldn’t defend either him or Destiny on this topic. In fact I get the feeling many who exercise their freedom of expression by calling Cruncher and Incontrol fat are the ones defending Destiny. | ||
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