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On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context"
The thing is Destiny defends context but generally seeks the most offensive thing to say.
He called a Korean player a "gook" because he got cheesed on ladder, there is no real argument here in regards to context.
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On May 06 2012 01:47 Bedrock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:37 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:36 Bedrock wrote:On May 06 2012 01:34 IPA wrote:
The defense of Destiny has left me so disappointed in the community. I though TLers were different than the other mouth-breathing, caveman gaming communities but I was wrong. He has fans. I don't see how hard it is to comprehend that. To be honest, that's pretty hard to comprehend. It may be difficult to comprehend how he has fans, but I was implying the defense of the guy is bc he actually does have fans. Sorry if there was confusion in that.
There is multiple reasons for defending Destiny, and I never watch his stream just FYI:
1. The guy that made that topic didn't have anything good in mind, all he wanted to do was create a witchhunt (which he succeeded in flawlessly) to hurt Destiny as a person.
2. People like to get offended, when they can't be offended by stuff they feel like they are missing something.
3. No-one forces you to watch Destiny's stream, u don't like his language or behavior? Don't watch his stream.
4. People started directly messaging sponsors about this case, which only hurts the general income of the scene, cause these sponsors will have second thoughts BECAUSE they got complaints, not because Destiny said a bad word a few times on his personal stream.
5. If that guy that made the topic really felt hurt or w/e he would have contacted the Quantic management so it could be handled internally, instead he created a retarded witchunt that only has negative aspects for the entire community.
Want more reasons?
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On May 06 2012 01:59 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" The thing is Destiny defends context but generally seeks the most offensive thing to say. He called a Korean player a "gook" because he got cheesed on ladder, there is no real argument here in regards to context.
He's called white people niggers, I don't see the issue.
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On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it.
Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs.
That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse.
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On May 06 2012 02:03 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it. Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs. That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse.
I've seen you post too much stupid shit to consider a serious response 
Everybody here should check out this blog post, btw.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=334009
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On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread. I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue. Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64) 43% Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51) 34% Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18) 12% Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14) 9% Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2) 1% 149 total votes Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense? (Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.
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On May 06 2012 02:06 StarStrider wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 07:22 StarStrider wrote:We should have another TL poll like the one in "DJ Wheat saying Bitches" thread. I'm interested in just how many people there are on each side of this issue. Poll: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense?It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea (64) 43% Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene. (51) 34% Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning) (18) 12% Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended. (14) 9% Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter. (2) 1% 149 total votes Your vote: Is offensive/racial language a teamkick / TL-ban-worthy offense? (Vote): Yes. Get that out of my esports. It is a blight to the professionalism of the scene.
(Vote): Only if sponsors are on the line. Otherwise it doesn't matter.
(Vote): Only if he refuses to apologize and refrain from it in the future. (Warning)
(Vote): It doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, people should just get over it and stop watching his strea
(Vote): Language is what you make it. I should be able to say anything without you getting offended.
Wasn't that the issue with the guy who said his kids watch starcraft?
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On May 06 2012 02:03 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:03 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it. Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs. That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse. I've seen you post too much stupid shit to consider a serious response
That's likely because you don't have a serious response. Saying that he's used "nigger" to refer to white people doesn't really add to or explain the context.
He specifically searches for the most offensive thing when he's actually attempting to insult someone, in this case it was "gook" because his opponent was Korean. There isn't much more to this. He uses slurs and offensive language, companies don't want him representing them because of it. Pretty simple.
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On May 06 2012 02:07 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:03 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 02:03 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it. Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs. That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse. I've seen you post too much stupid shit to consider a serious response That's likely because you don't have a serious response. Saying that he's used "nigger" to refer to white people doesn't really add to or explain the context. He specifically searches for the most offensive thing when he's actually attempting to insult someone, in this case it was "gook" because his opponent was Korean. There isn't much more to this. He uses slurs and offensive language, companies don't want him representing them because of it. Pretty simple.
No it's because I already shut him up yesterday and I don't feel like doing it again.
And oh boy "Offensive Language", I've seen black people that don't move a damn muscle when they hear the word nigger, black people that just don't give 2 shits, and I've seen some that make a huge deal about it, who's right and who's wrong here?
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On May 06 2012 02:03 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:03 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it. Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs. That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse. I've seen you post too much stupid shit to consider a serious response.
Some of us are articulate enough to get our point across without lowering ourselves to petty insults.
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95% of the reason why racism still exists is also because people like to be offended, who fkin cares if some dude on the interwebz calls u a bad word (oh noes). This doesn't even have anything to do with actual racism.
Yeah, right, it has nothing to do with actual racists its the fact that people are offended by someone denying them employment or profiling them based on their race that racism still exists at all.
If you mean the use of "racist" language rather than racism, OK I agree (I've made ethnic jokes with friends all my life without getting into trouble because of a couple nice things called context and intent), but if you mean actual racism (like denying someone employment based on their ethnicity, burning a cross on someones lawn, etc.) than that's ridiculous.
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why is niggers offensive? because black people let themselves be offended by it
why is x offensive? BECAUSE YOU LET YOURSELF BE OFFENDED BY IT.
I mean seriously, if some guy came up to me and called me some dirty sand nigger or french fag, i don't care. His opinion doesn't matter to me, why the hell should it matter to you? if someone calls you a nigger, good for them, they're idiots, move on.
People get offended, nothing is offensive, people are just morons. If you get offended, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Unless, his comment was directed SPECIFICALLY at YOU, you have no right to get offended, and even then, getting offended by someone insulting is pointless, waa, he hurt my feelings, whatever. Just rise above, act like a mature, civilized being and just ignore it. You know why? if you get angry, or if you get offended, the people who offend you are enjoying it. Look at his post, the only thing he's sad about is how it put quantic in trouble, if he had been team-less he wouldn't give a damn.
I hope no one gets offended by my post
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On May 06 2012 02:09 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:03 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 02:03 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it. Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs. That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse. I've seen you post too much stupid shit to consider a serious response. Some of us are articulate enough to get our point across without lowering ourselves to petty insults.
That's not true, you just obfuscate your insults better.
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On May 06 2012 02:01 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:47 Bedrock wrote:On May 06 2012 01:37 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:36 Bedrock wrote:On May 06 2012 01:34 IPA wrote:
The defense of Destiny has left me so disappointed in the community. I though TLers were different than the other mouth-breathing, caveman gaming communities but I was wrong. He has fans. I don't see how hard it is to comprehend that. To be honest, that's pretty hard to comprehend. It may be difficult to comprehend how he has fans, but I was implying the defense of the guy is bc he actually does have fans. Sorry if there was confusion in that. There is multiple reasons for defending Destiny, and I never watch his stream just FYI: 1. The guy that made that topic didn't have anything good in mind, all he wanted to do was create a witchhunt (which he succeeded in flawlessly) to hurt Destiny as a person. 2. People like to get offended, when they can't be offended by stuff they feel like they are missing something. 3. No-one forces you to watch Destiny's stream, u don't like his language or behavior? Don't watch his stream. 4. People started directly messaging sponsors about this case, which only hurts the general income of the scene, cause these sponsors will have second thoughts BECAUSE they got complaints, not because Destiny said a bad word a few times on his personal stream. 5. If that guy that made the topic really felt hurt or w/e he would have contacted the Quantic management so it could be handled internally, instead he created a retarded witchunt that only has negative aspects for the entire community. 6. 95% of the reason why racism still exists is also because people like to be offended, who fkin cares if some dude on the interwebz calls u a bad word (oh noes). This doesn't even have anything to do with actual racism.Want more reasons?
I'd consider editing out this preposterous reason so your other good reasons don't get looked over. It's seriously awful.
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All in all it seems this worked out nicely for everyone.
Destiny gets to not say sorry, but sees that it is too costly for him to continue. So he stops racial blah blah.
TL shows they are the boss by defeaturing him for a month (That is the punishment, not the ban. You hit him in his wallet)
Then when he comes back TL can continue profiting on him in a mutual symbiosis, while TL is safe from his behavior (Next time we will defeature you for 90 days,etc)
Quantic and Razer both evaded any real drama.
The only losers here is the community for possibly damaging sponsor relations and Quantic for being forced to let go of an asset.
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On May 06 2012 02:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:
why is niggers offensive? because black people let themselves be offended by it
why is x offensive? BECAUSE YOU LET YOURSELF BE OFFENDED BY IT.
I mean seriously, if some guy came up to me and called me some dirty sand nigger or french fag, i don't care. His opinion doesn't matter to me, why the hell should it matter to you? if someone calls you a nigger, good for them, they're idiots, move on.
People get offended, nothing is offensive, people are just morons. If you get offended, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Unless, his comment was directed SPECIFICALLY at YOU, you have no right to get offended, and even then, getting offended by someone insulting is pointless, waa, he hurt my feelings, whatever. Just rise above, act like a mature, civilized being and just ignore it. You know why? if you get angry, or if you get offended, the people who offend you are enjoying it. Look at his post, the only thing he's sad about is how it put quantic in trouble, if he had been team-less he wouldn't give a damn.
I hope no one gets offended by my post
I let myself get offended and I find this offensive, fu man.
On a serious note, I couldn't have said it better myself, everything in this post is true.
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On May 06 2012 02:18 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:
why is niggers offensive? because black people let themselves be offended by it
why is x offensive? BECAUSE YOU LET YOURSELF BE OFFENDED BY IT.
I mean seriously, if some guy came up to me and called me some dirty sand nigger or french fag, i don't care. His opinion doesn't matter to me, why the hell should it matter to you? if someone calls you a nigger, good for them, they're idiots, move on.
People get offended, nothing is offensive, people are just morons. If you get offended, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Unless, his comment was directed SPECIFICALLY at YOU, you have no right to get offended, and even then, getting offended by someone insulting is pointless, waa, he hurt my feelings, whatever. Just rise above, act like a mature, civilized being and just ignore it. You know why? if you get angry, or if you get offended, the people who offend you are enjoying it. Look at his post, the only thing he's sad about is how it put quantic in trouble, if he had been team-less he wouldn't give a damn.
I hope no one gets offended by my post I let myself get offended and I find this offensive, fu man. On a serious note, I couldn't have said it better myself, everything in this post is true.
Begs the question why so many of you allow yourself to get so offended after losing a game of starcraft?
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On May 06 2012 02:16 Grend wrote:
All in all it seems this worked out nicely for everyone.
Destiny gets to not say sorry, but sees that it is too costly for him to continue. So he stops racial blah blah.
TL shows they are the boss by defeaturing him for a month (That is the punishment, not the ban. You hit him in his wallet)
Then when he comes back TL can continue profiting on him in a mutual symbiosis, while TL is safe from his behavior (Next time we will defeature you for 90 days,etc)
Quantic and Razer both evaded any real drama.
The only losers here is the community for possibly damaging sponsor relations and Quantic for being forced to let go of an asset.
I dunno- something tells me the sponsors already know theirs the chance they're sponsoring an eccentric player or two when they back a game or team.
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On May 06 2012 02:09 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:03 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 02:03 Leth0 wrote:On May 06 2012 01:55 FlamingForce wrote:On May 06 2012 01:38 Erasme wrote:On May 05 2012 12:40 ETisME wrote:On May 05 2012 12:37 SergioCQH wrote:
I am glad that a racist was kicked off a professional StarCraft 2 team. Destiny can be as racist as he wants on his stream, but that kind of behavior is unacceptable if he wants to be a part of the professional scene. One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. he is not a racist. Stop discriminating and stereotyping people. Well, on one hand we can see on his stream multiples racists behavior and on the othe hand we have Destiny that want us to trust him that he's not racist ... ya if someone call a lot of people gook/nigger but assures me hes not racist, i'll believe him. Can't help but think of something CatZ said a while back. "Some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand context" Ah, found it. Kid plays a video game and gets mad because he loses , curses and insults the winning player with racial slurs. That's the context. You don't just get to say w/e the hell you please and use "context" as an excuse. I've seen you post too much stupid shit to consider a serious response. Some of us are articulate enough to get our point across without lowering ourselves to petty insults.
Insults are insults, you just take the time to conceal yours better, I can't be arsed to do that.
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On May 06 2012 02:13 PlaGuE_R wrote:
why is niggers offensive? because black people let themselves be offended by it
why is x offensive? BECAUSE YOU LET YOURSELF BE OFFENDED BY IT.
I mean seriously, if some guy came up to me and called me some dirty sand nigger or french fag, i don't care. His opinion doesn't matter to me, why the hell should it matter to you? if someone calls you a nigger, good for them, they're idiots, move on.
People get offended, nothing is offensive, people are just morons. If you get offended, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Unless, his comment was directed SPECIFICALLY at YOU, you have no right to get offended, and even then, getting offended by someone insulting is pointless, waa, he hurt my feelings, whatever. Just rise above, act like a mature, civilized being and just ignore it. You know why? if you get angry, or if you get offended, the people who offend you are enjoying it. Look at his post, the only thing he's sad about is how it put quantic in trouble, if he had been team-less he wouldn't give a damn.
I hope no one gets offended by my post
From my perspective it is more the subtle effects that begin to root in society if people are allowed to denigrate an entire race (Just to be clear I really don't care about the Destiny situation this is more to your general point). If it becomes acceptable negative stereotypes begin to form which leads to actual societal implications. It's best to not necessarily be offended per se, but to scold or tell others not to do it out of courtesy. I am probably a prude, but I get personally angered (not offended) when someone makes very stereotypical racist joke.
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