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On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head.
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Sounds like he got what he deserved....to me spouting off racial shit has always been the stupidest part of the online gaming community. I go by the mantra that I wouldn't say anything online that I wouldn't also say to somebody in real life. Going Nigger this and nigger that online just shows how much of an immature douchebag you are....at least there's some accountability when you're supposed to be a "professional".
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On May 05 2012 13:13 Daedalus SEA wrote:Why...would Warden get so hurt after Destiny called him that? I mean sure it is insulting but you can just take it with a pinch of salt. You don't need to show off to the world and tell them that he is a true bad guy. If he insults you, you can just ignore/block him. Stuff happens. People get mad for small reasons. Doesn't mean you have to overreact. Why get so sensitive and hurt about it? I was also thinking.. if Destiny had to leave Quantic and get a huge blow to his reputation because of this, what about the other ragers on SC2? I mean, I've met a lot of users on SC2 that BM even worse than this and never let it go, going as far as to report you. Even if these guys aren't pros should we just let that go? So is it okay if we protest against one player and then ignore the other BM-ers out there? What good does that do if the majority are using racial slurs and the such? :S Also if people don't like Destiny....why watch his stream? I am confused. :S Also all these emailing sponsors and stuff is crap. That won't solve the problem. It'll only make it worse. I am disappointed in the community for doing so. I thought you guys would think twice before doing so as it hurts e-sports. 
Are the other players sponsored by razor? Ah right, They are not.. so they don't need to watch there mouths! Simple as that,
We have used every sports analogy you can think of and still people are finding a way to be disappointed at the people who spotlighted this abusive atrocious racist idiotic behavior... And to all the people screaming "free speech.. In your country it may be ok to call someone a faggot gook .. id love to see you go call a mosque a shithole... lets see your freedom of speech save you from the people who didn't agree with your free speech bullshit... Remember the guy who drew Muhhamed with a bomb in his hat and people tried to kill him.. Where was his freedom of speech .. sure he has it .. but it doesn't mean there wont be repercussions .. And thats where we are with destiny, sure he has that freedom of speech  but doesn't mean he wont get punished for exacting your american right!
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On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head.
Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe).
Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch.
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On May 05 2012 13:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head. Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe). Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch.
Hey, you're argument isn't with me, it's with the 90% of society that would consider using the word 'nigger' in a derogatory way racist and offensive.
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On May 05 2012 13:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head. Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe). Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch.
This isn't about rating insults on your meter of what counts as insulting to you and what doesn't.
"saying it's racists in any way is a very long stretch'
No it's actually the immediate conclusion that anyone is going to make.
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Glad quantic realized what a toxic player destiny is. He is no match for their top roster players and doesnt have the professional attitude required to upkeep the name of such an organization.
I blame the fanboys.
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On May 05 2012 13:23 UkGracken wrote:
We have used every sports analogy you can think of and still people are finding a way to be disappointed at the people who spotlighted this abusive atrocious racist idiotic behavior...
The terms you used to describe it make it sound like a hate crime involving a homicide took place. Just a little over-dramatic don't you think? I'm disappointed because WardenSC posted for the sole purpose of this. He didn't care about racism, he didn't care about the community. He saw an opportunity to spite someone he doesn't like and knew the rabid 'for esports' zombies would jump all over it and he couldn't have been more right.
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With Quantic picking up and taking care of the Vile guys I have no problem with this move. GL to Destiny, the Vile roster that swapped, and to Quantic!
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On May 05 2012 13:27 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head. Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe). Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch. This isn't about rating insults on your meter of what counts as insulting to you and what doesn't. "saying it's racists in any way is a very long stretch' No it's actually the immediate conclusion that anyone is going to make.
As a Chinese person, if I heard an American call an Irishman a "Chink" or "Asiatic", I wouldn't consider that being racist. I'd be extremely confused, because it doesn't seem to make much sense.
There's nothing intrinsically insulting about racist terminology, unlike words like "bitch" or "asshole". It's the fact that it's being said with the knowledge and intent to degrade someone based on their ethnicity, using a term that they don't want used to label themselves.
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On May 05 2012 13:17 Qibla wrote:
I can't believe this thread is still going.
It's pretty simple. Regardless of whether fans emailed the sponsors or not, if the sponsors couldn't defend their reasons, or justify the sponsorship, then they shouldn't have been sponsoring him in the first place. Yes it was Quantic who hired Destiny but Razer should have told Quantic not to hire him. Quantic should have known not to hire him.
The responsibility lies on Qunatic and Razer to perform due diligence when choosing representatives of their brands. Case closed.
So you want Razer to micromanage Quantic?
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On May 05 2012 13:33 xXdom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:23 UkGracken wrote:
We have used every sports analogy you can think of and still people are finding a way to be disappointed at the people who spotlighted this abusive atrocious racist idiotic behavior... The terms you used to describe it make it sound like a hate crime involving a homicide took place. Just a little over-dramatic don't you think? I'm disappointed because WardenSC posted for the sole purpose of this. He didn't care about racism, he didn't care about the community. He saw an opportunity to spite someone he doesn't like and knew the rabid 'for esports' zombies would jump all over it and he couldn't have been more right.
What is it with some people.. I made the very point that destiny put himself in this postion, no-one put a gun to destinys head and said freeze, say something racist or your dead. He did it for fun. Warden didn't do anything wrong he simply exposed this disgusting individual. Thankyou to warden. You highlighted a growing problem.. Destiny thought he could say what he wanted to anyone without there being a problem! well think again angry internet troll razor says no!
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On May 05 2012 13:45 UkGracken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:33 xXdom wrote:On May 05 2012 13:23 UkGracken wrote:
We have used every sports analogy you can think of and still people are finding a way to be disappointed at the people who spotlighted this abusive atrocious racist idiotic behavior... The terms you used to describe it make it sound like a hate crime involving a homicide took place. Just a little over-dramatic don't you think? I'm disappointed because WardenSC posted for the sole purpose of this. He didn't care about racism, he didn't care about the community. He saw an opportunity to spite someone he doesn't like and knew the rabid 'for esports' zombies would jump all over it and he couldn't have been more right. What is it with some people.. I made the very point that destiny put himself in this postion, no-one put a gun to destinys head and said freeze, say something racist or your dead. He did it for fun. Warden didn't do anything wrong he simply exposed this disgusting individual. Thankyou to warden. You highlighted a growing problem.. Destiny thought he could say what he wanted to anyone without there being a problem! well think again angry internet troll razor says no!
Destiny is free to continue he just won't receive any direct cash from any international pc peripheral manufacturers as he continues his journey to self-actualization.
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On May 05 2012 13:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:45 UkGracken wrote:On May 05 2012 13:33 xXdom wrote:On May 05 2012 13:23 UkGracken wrote:
We have used every sports analogy you can think of and still people are finding a way to be disappointed at the people who spotlighted this abusive atrocious racist idiotic behavior... The terms you used to describe it make it sound like a hate crime involving a homicide took place. Just a little over-dramatic don't you think? I'm disappointed because WardenSC posted for the sole purpose of this. He didn't care about racism, he didn't care about the community. He saw an opportunity to spite someone he doesn't like and knew the rabid 'for esports' zombies would jump all over it and he couldn't have been more right. What is it with some people.. I made the very point that destiny put himself in this postion, no-one put a gun to destinys head and said freeze, say something racist or your dead. He did it for fun. Warden didn't do anything wrong he simply exposed this disgusting individual. Thankyou to warden. You highlighted a growing problem.. Destiny thought he could say what he wanted to anyone without there being a problem! well think again angry internet troll razor says no! Destiny is free to continue he just won't receive any direct cash from any international pc peripheral manufacturers as he continues his journey to self-actualization.
Thats fine by me, I'd prefer he wasn't getting any of the money i spend on razer products, he certainly doesn't deserve it (My money that is)
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On May 05 2012 13:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:27 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 13:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head. Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe). Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch. This isn't about rating insults on your meter of what counts as insulting to you and what doesn't. "saying it's racists in any way is a very long stretch' No it's actually the immediate conclusion that anyone is going to make. As a Chinese person, if I heard an American call an Irishman a "Chink" or "Asiatic", I wouldn't consider that being racist. I'd be extremely confused, because it doesn't seem to make much sense. There's nothing intrinsically insulting about racist terminology, unlike words like "bitch" or "asshole". It's the fact that it's being said with the knowledge and intent to degrade someone based on their ethnicity, using a term that they don't want used to label themselves.
As another Chinese person, if I saw him call a white guy a gook, first I'd say, "What's wrong with gooks?" And then, when he laughs it off like a back-pedalling douchebag, I would shoot him a look like I was going to punch him in the face. After he seems suitably embarassed, I would then walk away.
We might run into each other again, and he would try to be super nice and talk about some awesome Chinese thing he saw or did to prove he's so-not-racist, but I would just nod politely, knowing that I would never watch his stream, support his career, or let him near my friend zone again.
But hey, that's me.
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Shame people wrote to sponsors, not team, if they felt they needed to take action.
My only contribution to this subject would be that oppressed, or once oppressed, minorities have historically taken to using words previously used by their oppressors with the goal of empowerment - taking ownership of a word that was used to oppress them. Rappers (cited as justification somewhere in the thread) are just one example of this. Their 'ownership' of words previously used in hate against them could be seen as a 'middle finger' to the oppressors. This should not be confused as a 'green light' to the oppressors to continue using the word; quite the opposite.
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On May 05 2012 13:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:45 UkGracken wrote:On May 05 2012 13:33 xXdom wrote:On May 05 2012 13:23 UkGracken wrote:
We have used every sports analogy you can think of and still people are finding a way to be disappointed at the people who spotlighted this abusive atrocious racist idiotic behavior... The terms you used to describe it make it sound like a hate crime involving a homicide took place. Just a little over-dramatic don't you think? I'm disappointed because WardenSC posted for the sole purpose of this. He didn't care about racism, he didn't care about the community. He saw an opportunity to spite someone he doesn't like and knew the rabid 'for esports' zombies would jump all over it and he couldn't have been more right. What is it with some people.. I made the very point that destiny put himself in this postion, no-one put a gun to destinys head and said freeze, say something racist or your dead. He did it for fun. Warden didn't do anything wrong he simply exposed this disgusting individual. Thankyou to warden. You highlighted a growing problem.. Destiny thought he could say what he wanted to anyone without there being a problem! well think again angry internet troll razor says no! Destiny is free to continue he just won't receive any direct cash from any international pc peripheral manufacturers as he continues his journey to self-actualization.
I also hope he achieves his dream of being a fulltime jackass on the internet for the rest of his life. Reach for the stars, I say!
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On May 05 2012 13:55 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 05 2012 13:27 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 13:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head. Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe). Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch. This isn't about rating insults on your meter of what counts as insulting to you and what doesn't. "saying it's racists in any way is a very long stretch' No it's actually the immediate conclusion that anyone is going to make. As a Chinese person, if I heard an American call an Irishman a "Chink" or "Asiatic", I wouldn't consider that being racist. I'd be extremely confused, because it doesn't seem to make much sense. There's nothing intrinsically insulting about racist terminology, unlike words like "bitch" or "asshole". It's the fact that it's being said with the knowledge and intent to degrade someone based on their ethnicity, using a term that they don't want used to label themselves. As another Chinese person, if I saw him call a white guy a gook, first I'd say, "What's wrong with gooks?" And then, when he laughs it off like a back-pedalling douchebag, I would shoot him a look like I was going to punch him in the face. After he seems suitably embarassed, I would then walk away. We might run into each other again, and he would try to be super nice and talk about some awesome Chinese thing he saw or did to prove he's so-not-racist, but I would just nod politely, knowing that I would never watch his stream, support his career, or let him near my friend zone again. But hey, that's me.
Well, I guess that's where our lines in the sands differ. I'd much prefer it if most racist insults were at a point where they were entirely generic.
With that said, I won't support Destiny in anything he does. I really don't have any issues with Orb, though.
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On May 05 2012 14:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 13:55 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 05 2012 13:27 Leth0 wrote:On May 05 2012 13:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 05 2012 13:18 Defacer wrote:On May 05 2012 13:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Orb getting tarred and feathered seemed like bullshit to me, because he was using a word as a generic insult. Sure the word was "taboo", but it was not used to insult an individual based on his ethnicity.
But it was intended as an insult because of the implied inferiority of another race. So not 'racist' but yeah ... racist enough to deserve a slap upside the head. Not really. Most insults nowadays barely even make sense, other than the fact that people know the statement was supposed to be insulting. Calling someone a "motherfucker" isn't very insulting (saying the sleep with their own mother, maybe). Orb definitely shouldn't have been using sensitive words knowing he was in the public eye, but saying it's racist in any way is a very long stretch. This isn't about rating insults on your meter of what counts as insulting to you and what doesn't. "saying it's racists in any way is a very long stretch' No it's actually the immediate conclusion that anyone is going to make. As a Chinese person, if I heard an American call an Irishman a "Chink" or "Asiatic", I wouldn't consider that being racist. I'd be extremely confused, because it doesn't seem to make much sense. There's nothing intrinsically insulting about racist terminology, unlike words like "bitch" or "asshole". It's the fact that it's being said with the knowledge and intent to degrade someone based on their ethnicity, using a term that they don't want used to label themselves. As another Chinese person, if I saw him call a white guy a gook, first I'd say, "What's wrong with gooks?" And then, when he laughs it off like a back-pedalling douchebag, I would shoot him a look like I was going to punch him in the face. After he seems suitably embarassed, I would then walk away. We might run into each other again, and he would try to be super nice and talk about some awesome Chinese thing he saw or did to prove he's so-not-racist, but I would just nod politely, knowing that I would never watch his stream, support his career, or let him near my friend zone again. But hey, that's me. Well, I guess that's where our lines in the sands differ. I'd much prefer it if most racist insults were at a point where they were entirely generic.
I understand that point-of-view, but I personally think the 'mainstreaming' of racial slurs just gives political and social cover to actual racists.
For every 100 'faux-racists' like Destiny, there is maybe one or two actual racists that you're giving the freedom to openly slander and discriminate against people, and they would use the same argument that Destiny would: "It's just words".
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it is just words tho..
Where does it say I am to love and hug all the nations of the world?:D
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