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On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T
You need to calm down. it's not THE END OF THE WORLD
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On November 06 2005 11:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2005 11:34 Kaolla wrote: well maybe but at the same time u want to say ToT isnt good enough to beat even non semi pro's and thats kinda bad imho... specially cause u (ToT) tried to prove u could lately... and i think if i would've played and lost no one would've cared... just the fact that u check replays to look for it says alot imho... still have a loooooooooong way to go
lol u are stupid.. wtf are u even talking about ? Several different things, which have really nothing to do with this account sharing thing. WHAT DO U WANT TO TELL US ? O.o OG) cheated ~> Cheating ~> ban simple isnt it ?
well if i would have account shared no one would have complained and if u had any brains u would have thought like asla... jang is a better player he would have most probably won as well.. who cares about account sharing... its not like a significantly better player (probably even worse) played on his acc... its just kinda lame to get a win like this imho... thats all im saying... and ToT obviously isnt good enough to beat koreans if they claim this? sure its against the rules, but no one would care if a significantly worse player would have played.. So win by rules or win by skill, makes quite a difference in this case imho.. woulda been different if some pro gamer played tho.. but this is no pro, its just a player of the same (or less) skill lvl
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On November 06 2005 11:39 asla wrote: yep it sure is against the rules, but the thing is, it didnt have any effect to the outcome.. It doesnt matter if midian would have won jang or firefist, still tot would have lost and there is not a damn thing that changes it.. Its not like i think this is a good thing, but it just happens to be so that this "abuse" or whatever changes nothing at all..
nonsense ? shooting at someone is no problem if u miss the target, cause u didnt hurt him then ?
its abuse.. no matter what the war ended like, abuse is abuse.. and the rules say it leads to a ban.. we dont even need to discuss this.. its obvious..
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
Kaollo, question: If you suspected someone of maphacking and you had the means to check one way or another, would you check? I believe you would. This was effectively the same situation, I didn't believe that Jang could play zvz to that level, since he is a terran player, and thus I checked... It has nothing to do with me trying to make excuses for losing... And if you honestly believe we go around trying to prove we're better than semi pros,or whatever the fuck you're suggesting, then you are just a complete and utter retard. We play against the best competition we can find, it's called a challenge, we don't attempt to prove shit.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T
Because he's not even in their SCCL team I think -.-a
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Ok here is what happend when something simular happend in the wc3l.
***[K2] caught cheating! During today's clanwar we encountered some discrepancies. After further investigations we found out that Focus[K2] did not play his games vs Pentagram.NightWOlf, but instead it was Go)Winner playing for him. After confronting him with our proofs he admitted the deed and gave us the following statement:
Yes, its right that Go)Winner played instead of me and I am very sorry about this.Yesterday, I didn't sleep that much and i felt very sick today, as u can see at my default lose in the ige league. Anyways i waited for HappY today, but he didnt came online because it was too early i guess. I couldn't stay online any longer because i have problems to breath, so i decided to ask Go)Winner for playing instead of me. I know this was the wrongest choice i could ever take, but i guess my sickness harrased my brain too much so i wasn't thinking clearly. I am really sorry to CNN and specially to my teammates, that i cheated them all and i will take all debt on my shoulder.
We would like to mention, that the clan [K2] was very cooperative after being confronted with the unfortunate happenings, nonetheless the WC3L does not and will not accept such a behaviour. Therefore the clan [K2] will be disqualified from the ongoing qualifier tournament and the two players involved along with the clan are banned from the WC3L.
This should be an example for the SCCL.
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On November 06 2005 11:48 iD.MidiaN wrote: Kaollo, question: If you suspected someone of maphacking and you had the means to check one way or another, would you check? I believe you would. This was effectively the same situation, I didn't believe that Jang could play zvz to that level, since he is a terran player, and thus I checked... It has nothing to do with me trying to make excuses for losing... And if you honestly believe we go around trying to prove we're better than semi pros then you are just a complete and utter retard. We play against the best competition we can find, it's called a challenge, we don't attempt to prove shit.
sure i would check the replays, but deep analysing and comparing hotkeys.. well maybe u expected a tvz and got zvz but still i think it should not be made a big deal if another probably worse player played... I mean a loss is a loss and it was fair play (in game terms)... ok maybe it was account sharing but its not like u got disadvantage because of that (unless u practised 30 games zvz all day) ... i think it doesnt matter that much, but maybe im wrong... obviously its against the rules, so nothing to argue there, not denying that... Its just that if u want to take a win like this i think it kinda proves is not there yet on the same level as the korean teams, who would play any matchup (unless heavily practised on a specific matchup)... and i just thought ToT was trying to prove they were on the same level... And it seems quite obvious this wasnt planned and firefist did not practise anything for it either... It seems quite fair to me except that it was against the rules... thats all im saying...
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T
seaman wasnt informed properly of the rules and didnt know that you could replace players like that and he thougt he was letting the team down if he didnt get someone else to play.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Is it a permanent ban? 1 season ban sounds better ; 0
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On November 06 2005 11:55 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2005 11:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the statement on oG is ''ok'' . But still i dont see how ToT) did anything wrong.. except some flaming by certain persons. WHich is one thing.. account sharing is another.. ANd u dindt even say directly, that AN OTHER PERSON PLAYED WITH NICK OF AN OTHER PERSON. Why in the hell did they not simply replace the player ? .. T_T
seaman wasnt informed properly of the rules and didnt know that you could replace players like that and he thougt he was letting the team down if he didnt get someone else to play.
That doesn't matter these things happend before in the esl like I just posted as what happend to project-k2. Rules are rules
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
I never said anything about us not getting punished, I dont decide on that. just explaining what happened.
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Belgium9944 Posts
Well I am sure it has all been brought to your attention that the recent SCCL match between oGaming and the Templars of Twilight has produced all sorts of controversy ranging from manner and racism through to cheating.
Before I will go into the cheating incident I would just like to say that in nearly 100 matches that I have organised for my clan oGaming. I have never been more disgusted with the amount of racism and abuse directed at my team mates. We as in my clan oG) were looking very much forward to this clanwar all week and it pretty much ended up being a disaster as soon as the very first of the ToT) members entered the channel. Our players were instructed even before the match took place that we would be expecting abuse and that we were not to retaliate. But the abuse shown on the behalf of ToT) was pathetic and showed no signs of sportsmanship what so ever. Then not long after, our clan was tagbanned from the channel: “op ToT)” simply because ToT)Mondragon( lost his 2 opening games.
Now going into the account sharing controversy. Yes oGaming is at fault and we will accept what ever punishment is handed to us. I am sure you may all want to know what happened and who is at fault ? The fault lies in myself and the management of oGaming for not making the SCCL rules clearer to our players.
The incident however did go unnoticed by our clan until it was found out by ToT)Midian( after the matches had actually finished, that a non listed oG) member played for oG)Jang . The reason this happened as we later found out is that after the draw was made at 16:30CET time, oG)Jang was unable to play and went offline. Causing our Korean manager oG)Seaman to panick, and not wanting to let oGaming down he selected a non registered player of his to replace oG)Jang without knowing the rules of abuse. and then after it was found out that the account sharing took place and the match being reversed 2-0 in favour of ToT).
oGaming would like to appologise to all our supporters who we may have let down and also to the administration of SCCL who have made a huge effort to get this league up.
- Freezer
He says it as if the koreans arent in the team. And he claims firefist to be a 'non-listed oG) member' as if the entire Sea. clan are unlisted oG) members
oh and there are people in this thread that arent involved at all who are taking this event too seriously
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How come everybode thinks that jang got replaced by another player is worse then the obvious discusting trashtalk by tot of oG´s koreans. I think that deserves more of a ban than the player replacements
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On November 06 2005 10:14 {88}iNcontroL wrote: wow @ mym's lineup, they arent fucking around this time
PJ HBQ BlackMan forgot other, but thats a damn good lineup ~_~
why would they fuck around to begin with? It is usually a coin flip when it comes to them... but, I would say Suncow and Enjoy have to prove themselves moreso than the other players. ;o
As for the oG) scenario... you guys need screenshots. Account Sharing in Clan Leagues is a serious offence so hopefully the Admins justify it.
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Has nothing to do with taking this too serious, but rule is rule and Kaolla is pissing me off with his stupid , unlogic shit talking. It makes no sense. He's bringing up stupid examples and does as if account sharing is okey. It IS NOT. No matter who does it and no matter if he knows its allowed or not. Its his duty to know the rules. If he doesnt its his own problem. As unlucky this is for oG), u cant account share under what conditions ever and not get the punishment stated in the rules..
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On November 06 2005 12:07 taDa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2005 10:14 {88}iNcontroL wrote: wow @ mym's lineup, they arent fucking around this time
PJ HBQ BlackMan forgot other, but thats a damn good lineup ~_~ why would they fuck around to begin with? It is usually a coin flip when it comes to them... but, I would say Suncow and Enjoy have to prove themselves moreso than the other players. ;o As for the oG) scenario... you guys need screenshots. Account Sharing in Clan Leagues is a serious offence so hopefully the Admins justify it.
they already said they did account share
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So ToT wins becouse oG hacks yea ??
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no rupbar i am also talking about the BM situation. There is a penalty for that as well.
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