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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 20 2012 19:35 GMT
#6361
The Collison foul was a reaching foul. Lebron will get that call for eternity - even if it isn't technically a foul to just reach, any incidental contact on the drive is going to get the whistle. Don't reach and probably get your hands up to make him alter his shot. You are 7 feet tall on help defense.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:40:29
June 20 2012 19:37 GMT
#6362
On June 21 2012 04:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza have been traded to the Washington Wizards for Rashard Lewis and the #46 pick.

Da fuq, Hornets?


Emeka and Ariza are totally overpaid. It was a straight salary dump.

EDIT: Rashard expires after this year. So it's like bundling two salaries that run until 2015(?) into one that expires in 1 year.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 19:59:05
June 20 2012 19:44 GMT
#6363
On June 21 2012 04:37 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 04:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza have been traded to the Washington Wizards for Rashard Lewis and the #46 pick.

Da fuq, Hornets?


Emeka and Ariza are totally overpaid. It was a straight salary dump.

EDIT: Rashard expires after this year. So it's like bundling two salaries that run until 2015(?) into one that expires in 1 year.

Ya, I think it is actually a good move for both teams in this case.
edit: Ariza will do pretty good with Wall and their up/down system and Okafor is one of smartest guys in the NBA. He can't hurt in terms of Wall and trying to build up a team. His only question is can he stay healthy, and even if he can, how consistent will he be? Nene and Okafor are good upgrades over their bigs from last season in many ways though.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 20 2012 19:57 GMT
#6364
Eh, fair enough, but I don't trust small market teams dumping salary. I guess being better in the short term isn't really a concern.
Remember Violet.
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 20 2012 19:58 GMT
#6365
I dunno if anyone else watches ESPN First Take ever, but man that show cracks me up. Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith are both ridiculous, lol.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
June 20 2012 20:14 GMT
#6366
On June 21 2012 04:58 Leyra wrote:
I dunno if anyone else watches ESPN First Take ever, but man that show cracks me up. Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith are both ridiculous, lol.



I watch it regularly, great entertainment value. And It's nice when they bring players on the show, interesting to hear their views.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 20 2012 20:16 GMT
#6367
On June 21 2012 04:58 Leyra wrote:
I dunno if anyone else watches ESPN First Take ever, but man that show cracks me up. Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith are both ridiculous, lol.


Everyday, but mostly for the entertainment value impossible to take it seriously.
Brow23
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany105 Posts
June 20 2012 20:16 GMT
#6368
Fuck the Heat, I hope they still manage to fuck it up.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 20:31:21
June 20 2012 20:26 GMT
#6369
rashard lewis can be bought out of his 23 mil contract by july 1st for around 14 million. savr the hornets around 30 million if they do that.


rumors are blatche will be amnestied now, couldn't do both lewis and blatche, and hornets will take beal in the draft. wall-crawford-ariza-nene-okafor with beal off the bench looks to be what they are aiming for.


after thinking about it for a moment, noh almost certainly did it so they can match anything gordon is offered
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
June 20 2012 20:31 GMT
#6370
On June 21 2012 04:58 Leyra wrote:
I dunno if anyone else watches ESPN First Take ever, but man that show cracks me up. Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith are both ridiculous, lol.


Yea it is hilarious, Skip picked Miami to win the series thinks OKC can still do it Stephan A picked OKC to win and thinks its over Lebron gots this
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 20 2012 20:40 GMT
#6371
Yeah, I can't really take either of them seriously, but the entertainment value is great lol
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 20:44:58
June 20 2012 20:41 GMT
#6372
On June 21 2012 05:26 Holcan wrote:
rashard lewis can be bought out of his 23 mil contract by july 1st for around 14 million. savr the hornets around 30 million if they do that.


rumors are blatche will be amnestied now, couldn't do both lewis and blatche, and hornets will take beal in the draft. wall-crawford-ariza-nene-okafor with beal off the bench looks to be what they are aiming for.


after thinking about it for a moment, noh almost certainly did it so they can match anything gordon is offered



LOL. Looking for Beal to fall to 10 is not a plan.

Edit: sorry! I can't read. You're talking about the Wizards.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 20 2012 20:42 GMT
#6373
I think he meant Wizards, taking Beal. Which I believe we'd love to do except it's becoming terrifying waiting for the Bobcats' move at 2.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 20 2012 20:43 GMT
#6374
Yeah, that's what he meant. Sorry! I can't read.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 20:45:31
June 20 2012 20:44 GMT
#6375
On June 21 2012 05:41 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 05:26 Holcan wrote:
rashard lewis can be bought out of his 23 mil contract by july 1st for around 14 million. savr the hornets around 30 million if they do that.


rumors are blatche will be amnestied now, couldn't do both lewis and blatche, and hornets will take beal in the draft. wall-crawford-ariza-nene-okafor with beal off the bench looks to be what they are aiming for.


after thinking about it for a moment, noh almost certainly did it so they can match anything gordon is offered



LOL. Looking for Beal to fall to 10 is not a plan.


Wizards pick 3rd, no? I think you've mixed up the Hornets and Wizards, because I've read also that everyone sees this as WAS definitely taking Beal.

This link explains the rest of the rationale pretty well: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8077486/washington-wizards-get-new-orleans-hornets-emeka-okafor-trevor-ariza-rashard-lewis-pick
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 20 2012 20:47 GMT
#6376
nah I put hornets, whoops mah bad. xD
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
June 20 2012 20:48 GMT
#6377
Ahhh... the infamous double-typo move. Well played you two, well played...
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 21:10:23
June 20 2012 20:52 GMT
#6378
On June 21 2012 05:26 Holcan wrote:
rashard lewis can be bought out of his 23 mil contract by july 1st for around 14 million. savr the hornets around 30 million if they do that.


rumors are blatche will be amnestied now, couldn't do both lewis and blatche, and hornets will take beal in the draft. wall-crawford-ariza-nene-okafor with beal off the bench looks to be what they are aiming for.


after thinking about it for a moment, noh almost certainly did it so they can match anything gordon is offered

definitely thinking of Gordon and whoever they can bring around him (don't know their salary cap specifics- is Kaman still under contract?-) and they know they have #1 pick on rookie contract for a few years.

EDIT:
On June 21 2012 05:44 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 05:41 slyboogie wrote:
On June 21 2012 05:26 Holcan wrote:
rashard lewis can be bought out of his 23 mil contract by july 1st for around 14 million. savr the hornets around 30 million if they do that.


rumors are blatche will be amnestied now, couldn't do both lewis and blatche, and hornets will take beal in the draft. wall-crawford-ariza-nene-okafor with beal off the bench looks to be what they are aiming for.


after thinking about it for a moment, noh almost certainly did it so they can match anything gordon is offered



LOL. Looking for Beal to fall to 10 is not a plan.

This link explains the rest of the rationale pretty well: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8077486/washington-wizards-get-new-orleans-hornets-emeka-okafor-trevor-ariza-rashard-lewis-pick
gonna read it so disregard my questions if you like or if it is covered in here.

EDIT2: Kaman off the contract and saw rumors just now of NOH looking into trading #10 for someone a-la-Millsap, which would be dam good..
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
June 20 2012 20:59 GMT
#6379
On June 21 2012 03:44 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 03:19 Kahlgar wrote:
On June 21 2012 02:42 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
On June 21 2012 00:03 Chunhyang wrote:
JH got OKC here. Forget it not guys.


Not even Harden would give himself any slack for his poor play in the Finals just because he was instrumental in getting them there. It's not enough for a player of his caliber to disappear in the Finals as he has, and his impressive play leading up to the series only makes it less excusable, not more. Too many bad passes, too little production, and too many missed wide open perimeter shots. He's better than that and he knows it.


He is also very young, Miami's defense is the toughest he has faced in thoses playoffs by far and he even has had to guard Lebron 1on1 (which can only hurt his energy level on the offensive end).

If you want to blame someone on OKC for their current deficit, blame Brooks.


What does youth have to do with anything? Westbrook and Durant are also young and have performed better. Chalmers is young and outperformed him last night. Youth didn't stop him from producing in the playoffs prior to this series.

Miami's defense is definitely the toughest OKC has seen so far, but that's not an excuse to not produce. Again, Westbrook and Durant have found ways to produce, as have role players like Collison. Great offensive players, which Harden is, are supposed to find ways contribute on offense no matter what defense they face and he hasn't.

Guarding Lebron is definitely going to take a toll, but he can't disappear on offense because of it. Westbrook has been guarding Wade for most of the series, and Durant had been guarding Lebron quite a lot prior to the last game. Lebron, Wade and Bosh are all contributing on both ends of the court. This is a factor, but not an excuse for how little Harden has contributed, particularly last night.

As for Brooks, there's only so much a coach can do from the sidelines. He can't control whether the players make shots, make a correct defensive rotation/read, or make good decisions for them in the game. All he can do is put them in the best position to succeed, which he's done a decent job of. Games 2 and 3 were definitely in reach and arguably were lost due to poor FT shooting. Game 4 was also in reach, and he wasn't the one who repeatedly turned the ball over and missed wide open shots (i.e. Harden). Has he been a great coach? No. Has he outcoached Spoelstra? No. Has he done a good enough job to put his team in a position to win each game? Yes. Does any of this mean that he should get the brunt of the blame for OKC being down 3-1? In my opinion, no. Credit the Heat for playing great and look to the OKC players to step up their play like the MIA players have.


But also, Miami is paying particularly close attention to him. Shutting down the best non-star player has been something Miami's been good at this entire playoffs (Granger vs Indiana and Ray Allen vs the Celtics). It's a good strategy too because the star players are more often than not impossible to stop. They've been more careful to put more bodies in front when he tries to drive and they send him traps more often. Like what they did with Allen/Granger, it seems to be successfully slowing him down.

However, it still doesn't excuse some of his open misses etcetc. He needs to find a way to make an impact for OKC to have a chance.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
June 20 2012 21:06 GMT
#6380
On June 21 2012 05:59 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 03:44 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
On June 21 2012 03:19 Kahlgar wrote:
On June 21 2012 02:42 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
On June 21 2012 00:03 Chunhyang wrote:
JH got OKC here. Forget it not guys.


Not even Harden would give himself any slack for his poor play in the Finals just because he was instrumental in getting them there. It's not enough for a player of his caliber to disappear in the Finals as he has, and his impressive play leading up to the series only makes it less excusable, not more. Too many bad passes, too little production, and too many missed wide open perimeter shots. He's better than that and he knows it.


He is also very young, Miami's defense is the toughest he has faced in thoses playoffs by far and he even has had to guard Lebron 1on1 (which can only hurt his energy level on the offensive end).

If you want to blame someone on OKC for their current deficit, blame Brooks.


What does youth have to do with anything? Westbrook and Durant are also young and have performed better. Chalmers is young and outperformed him last night. Youth didn't stop him from producing in the playoffs prior to this series.

Miami's defense is definitely the toughest OKC has seen so far, but that's not an excuse to not produce. Again, Westbrook and Durant have found ways to produce, as have role players like Collison. Great offensive players, which Harden is, are supposed to find ways contribute on offense no matter what defense they face and he hasn't.

Guarding Lebron is definitely going to take a toll, but he can't disappear on offense because of it. Westbrook has been guarding Wade for most of the series, and Durant had been guarding Lebron quite a lot prior to the last game. Lebron, Wade and Bosh are all contributing on both ends of the court. This is a factor, but not an excuse for how little Harden has contributed, particularly last night.

As for Brooks, there's only so much a coach can do from the sidelines. He can't control whether the players make shots, make a correct defensive rotation/read, or make good decisions for them in the game. All he can do is put them in the best position to succeed, which he's done a decent job of. Games 2 and 3 were definitely in reach and arguably were lost due to poor FT shooting. Game 4 was also in reach, and he wasn't the one who repeatedly turned the ball over and missed wide open shots (i.e. Harden). Has he been a great coach? No. Has he outcoached Spoelstra? No. Has he done a good enough job to put his team in a position to win each game? Yes. Does any of this mean that he should get the brunt of the blame for OKC being down 3-1? In my opinion, no. Credit the Heat for playing great and look to the OKC players to step up their play like the MIA players have.


But also, Miami is paying particularly close attention to him. Shutting down the best non-star player has been something Miami's been good at this entire playoffs (Granger vs Indiana and Ray Allen vs the Celtics). It's a good strategy too because the star players are more often than not impossible to stop. They've been more careful to put more bodies in front when he tries to drive and they send him traps more often. Like what they did with Allen/Granger, it seems to be successfully slowing him down.

However, it still doesn't excuse some of his open misses etcetc. He needs to find a way to make an impact for OKC to have a chance.


Agree that MIA is definitely keying in on Harden and making sure he doesn't get it going. However, as you said, he has had some really good opportunities and just hasn't capitalized on them. I suspect that another part of the problem is that Harden thrives so much on aggressive drives to the basket and getting to the FT line, neither of which has been working because the refs are letting more go and he's less likely to draw fouls against Lebron and Wade when they're guarding him. His inability to get that part of his game going seems to have shaken his confidence because I'm seeing a lot of hesitation and self-doubting in his play lately.
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