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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
April 03 2012 06:42 GMT
#61
It's common practice in most sports that you thank your opponent for a good game after it's done. You might not agree but it's the way it is.
Refusing to GG/refusing to thank your opponent(s) for a good game is a much bigger statement than just doing it.
"Basic understanding of psychology", get the f out...
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:43:13
April 03 2012 06:42 GMT
#62
Starcraft must be a very lonely place for you.

This is not wanting "appraisal for our skills" and being "narcissistic"; it's just simply being friendly, and it's social custom now. Over many years of gaming it's become essentially a handshake. If a player is mute at the start of the game, and leaves silently at the end of a game without a GG, I would consider them to be a bit of a dick, yes. 'Handshaking' is completely standard in sports, and being civil to your opponents is part of being a good sportsman.

At the start of every game I say "have fun! :D". I genuinely mean it. I chat with my opponents after some games, and I now have many people on my friends list that I chat to and practice buddy with. Your argument is essentially "why should I be nice to my opponents?". My argument would be "why NOT be nice to your opponents?".
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
April 03 2012 06:44 GMT
#63
men gg
boys dont
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
April 03 2012 06:45 GMT
#64
'Basic Understanding of Psychology'

Come back when you understand anything about real psychology. Protip: normative social influence.
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Leopoldshark
Profile Joined September 2010
United States176 Posts
April 03 2012 06:45 GMT
#65
You are looking too much into the literal meaning of "GG". Most if not all people will see GG and see its second meaning, which is an acknowledgement of the other person. The literal meaning may not be important anymore, but the second meaning is. So not saying it will mean you are not acknowledging the other person, which would be considered rude.

I'm not a fan of social conventions, I look at their literal meaning and find that they seem too endearing for my purpose. For example, I don't like using "Dear" to start off a message because it feels too affectionate and not professional. But in reality, it is just a general term people use that has an understood meaning but not a literal one, and not doing it is harmful if you want to have any decent social interaction.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:49:32
April 03 2012 06:45 GMT
#66
I don't say GG because I think it's a good game, or because I want to be nice to other players. I mean, there are some douchebags that deserves to be bad mouthed, but even to them I still says gg.

I say it because it reminds me to be calm and collected; it reminds me the fact that losing the game is always my fault. Also, if the other player is purposely trying to make you rage, swear at them and rage quit only makes them happy. I know, because I feel great when I make people rage quit. I say gg because I would not grant them that pleasure of being an asshole.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
April 03 2012 06:46 GMT
#67
What's with these posts from guys who try to write what looks like an article but is complete thrash?

Social codes and being respectful is something anyone with a decently serious job learns. Not being polite to someone can still be viewed as something bad. Just because you don't call someone a asshole doesn't mean they won't think badly of you.

GG-ing is something that's been around since BW and it's about respect. I get that people on ladder don't give a shit, i don't either, but in tournaments you expect pros to behave professional. Just like in any sport.

-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
April 03 2012 06:48 GMT
#68
On April 03 2012 15:17 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
I remember my first Psych 101 class :D


LOL so true
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
April 03 2012 06:48 GMT
#69
psychology... *sigh*
go live in Korea or anywhere in APAC and learn about their culture, then revisit your OP. "Westerners" and Asians differ much in the regard of the value of self vs your part of community/family/etc and thus their reasoning for doing the same things as us (such as saying GG) can be completely different. I'm assuming you were applying the OP worldwide
jaedong imba
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
April 03 2012 06:49 GMT
#70
You play a match of tennis and refuse to shake the hands of your opponent after the game. This isn't rude because you're not doing anything. It's neutral.

You get a gift from your mother. You don't say thanks. Since you said nothing, it's neutral. You're not being rude.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:51:48
April 03 2012 06:49 GMT
#71
I don't see "gg" as an appraisal for skill, more as a thing you say at the end of a match, If I do think it was a good game by my opponent I'll say "wp", "gg" is more a sort of polite way to say goodbye in this case.
And yes not responding when someone greets you with a "gl hf" is more like not responding when someone says hi than just not caring.

Edit : And citing "basic understanding of psychology" at the end is Narcissistic, discuss.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
April 03 2012 06:49 GMT
#72
gg -> end of game

wp gg -> good game

We already have this convention
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:55:00
April 03 2012 06:50 GMT
#73
Whenever I question people on how unnecessary it is to pretend a game was good I get met with insults and anger. Not only is it untruthful but it is mathmatically impossible for every game to be 'good'. Since positivity is relative to a standard, in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good regardless of how much you enjoy the average game, it is a relative statement and can not apply 100%. So atleast half the time someone is liying if they say 'gg' every game.


Are you a robot? If someone says "Good Morning" to you, do you say "Average Morning" in response, because not every day can be good?

gg is not a declarative sentence, it's an action. Technically it would be an Illocutionary speach act, I think, but I only took one semester of linguistics.

If you grew up playing sports, 'good game' is the american convention. Usually accompanied by a handshak. It doesn't matter if you won 10 goals to 1 because you aren't actually "appraising their skill" when you say this.
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:53:00
April 03 2012 06:51 GMT
#74
I gg sometimes, sometimes I dont. But to me gg is a sign of submission, that you are bad and that you lost.

Also about the argument that "gg" has gotten a new meaning, yeah you can go around and assign random meanings to words. Like "car" suddenly means "potato" or something..

good game is simply good game. this is why we have words guys. if you want to acknowledge another players existence like you all seem so eager to do, i suggest getting a new acronym more in line with what it means.
To pray is to accept defeat.
sm0b
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
April 03 2012 06:51 GMT
#75
On April 03 2012 15:37 joeyBanana wrote:
When you're watching Code S everyone says gg, 'cause its a rule there. When you're watching MLG, everyone says gg, 'cause they adhere to the "social code" of StarCraft. But the big difference is, that these are guys who are at an equal-ish level of skill, where they know, that they almost always have a worthy opponent (at least in the upper brackets). But do I, Johnny-Diamond-Whatsoever-League "gg" my 7pooling opponent, who's doing that 50 games the whole day, while im trying my best ? -> Nope ! Not rage, but i just have no respect for someone 7pooling on the ladder.

What i want to say: There is no ultimate rule or reason behind the Mannerism in StarCraft. On a high level, its obligatory to be good mannered, because your opponent deserves the respect. But i will not handshake and "gg" my buddy, who is ten times worse than me @ soccer, because of his lucky penalty shot.


What's wrong with 7 pooling on the ladder? It's part of the game. What game are you playing?
Charon1979
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria317 Posts
April 03 2012 06:51 GMT
#76
"pleasdontseemepleasdontseemepleasdontseemepleasdontseeme... SHIT"
"oh hello so nice to see you darling!"

I love "social norms"

and

there is a reason why even in sports the handshake is not requested in the same moment you lose but after everyone has calmed down again.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 03 2012 06:52 GMT
#77
Disagree. At this point it's more common courtesy than actually expecting the other guy to complement you on a well-played game. If there wasn't this social convention within this subcommunity it may be, but at this point it's just what you do.
Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
April 03 2012 06:52 GMT
#78
Just use Hello and Bye, instead, YAY.

sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 03 2012 06:53 GMT
#79
On April 03 2012 15:13 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:09 opterown wrote:
It's accepted social convention, so it's a bit rude if you refuse it. Sort of like refusing a handshake or high 5


handshakes are not made every 10 minutes.


You are right, they are done before the start of every match.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
omgimonfire15
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States233 Posts
April 03 2012 06:53 GMT
#80
On April 03 2012 15:51 Daimai wrote:
I gg sometimes, sometimes I dont. But to me gg is a sign of submission, that you are bad and that you lost.

Also the fact that "gg" has gotten a new meaning, yeah you can go around and assign random meanings to words. Like "car" suddenly means "potato" or something..

good game is simply good game. this is why we have words guys. if you want to acknowledge a payers existence like you all seem so eager to do, i suggest getting a new acronym more in line with what it means.


I guess we should stop shaking hands too then because the act itself it utterly meaningless. We should just nod to each other, that acknowledges each others existence.
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