EPTRefusing to GG/refusing to thank your opponent(s) for a good game is a much bigger statement than just doing it.
"Basic understanding of psychology", get the f out...
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
Refusing to GG/refusing to thank your opponent(s) for a good game is a much bigger statement than just doing it. "Basic understanding of psychology", get the f out... | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
This is not wanting "appraisal for our skills" and being "narcissistic"; it's just simply being friendly, and it's social custom now. Over many years of gaming it's become essentially a handshake. If a player is mute at the start of the game, and leaves silently at the end of a game without a GG, I would consider them to be a bit of a dick, yes. 'Handshaking' is completely standard in sports, and being civil to your opponents is part of being a good sportsman. At the start of every game I say "have fun! :D". I genuinely mean it. I chat with my opponents after some games, and I now have many people on my friends list that I chat to and practice buddy with. Your argument is essentially "why should I be nice to my opponents?". My argument would be "why NOT be nice to your opponents?". | ||
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j3i
United States357 Posts
boys dont | ||
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Alacast
United States205 Posts
Come back when you understand anything about real psychology. Protip: normative social influence. | ||
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Leopoldshark
United States176 Posts
I'm not a fan of social conventions, I look at their literal meaning and find that they seem too endearing for my purpose. For example, I don't like using "Dear" to start off a message because it feels too affectionate and not professional. But in reality, it is just a general term people use that has an understood meaning but not a literal one, and not doing it is harmful if you want to have any decent social interaction. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
I say it because it reminds me to be calm and collected; it reminds me the fact that losing the game is always my fault. Also, if the other player is purposely trying to make you rage, swear at them and rage quit only makes them happy. I know, because I feel great when I make people rage quit. I say gg because I would not grant them that pleasure of being an asshole. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
Social codes and being respectful is something anyone with a decently serious job learns. Not being polite to someone can still be viewed as something bad. Just because you don't call someone a asshole doesn't mean they won't think badly of you. GG-ing is something that's been around since BW and it's about respect. I get that people on ladder don't give a shit, i don't either, but in tournaments you expect pros to behave professional. Just like in any sport. | ||
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-Switch-
Canada506 Posts
On April 03 2012 15:17 MLG_Wiggin wrote: I remember my first Psych 101 class :D LOL so true | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
go live in Korea or anywhere in APAC and learn about their culture, then revisit your OP. "Westerners" and Asians differ much in the regard of the value of self vs your part of community/family/etc and thus their reasoning for doing the same things as us (such as saying GG) can be completely different. I'm assuming you were applying the OP worldwide | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
You get a gift from your mother. You don't say thanks. Since you said nothing, it's neutral. You're not being rude. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
And yes not responding when someone greets you with a "gl hf" is more like not responding when someone says hi than just not caring. Edit : And citing "basic understanding of psychology" at the end is Narcissistic, discuss. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
wp gg -> good game We already have this convention | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
Whenever I question people on how unnecessary it is to pretend a game was good I get met with insults and anger. Not only is it untruthful but it is mathmatically impossible for every game to be 'good'. Since positivity is relative to a standard, in theory no more than 50% of games can be considered good regardless of how much you enjoy the average game, it is a relative statement and can not apply 100%. So atleast half the time someone is liying if they say 'gg' every game. Are you a robot? If someone says "Good Morning" to you, do you say "Average Morning" in response, because not every day can be good? gg is not a declarative sentence, it's an action. Technically it would be an Illocutionary speach act, I think, but I only took one semester of linguistics. If you grew up playing sports, 'good game' is the american convention. Usually accompanied by a handshak. It doesn't matter if you won 10 goals to 1 because you aren't actually "appraising their skill" when you say this. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
Also about the argument that "gg" has gotten a new meaning, yeah you can go around and assign random meanings to words. Like "car" suddenly means "potato" or something.. good game is simply good game. this is why we have words guys. if you want to acknowledge another players existence like you all seem so eager to do, i suggest getting a new acronym more in line with what it means. | ||
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sm0b
United States157 Posts
On April 03 2012 15:37 joeyBanana wrote: When you're watching Code S everyone says gg, 'cause its a rule there. When you're watching MLG, everyone says gg, 'cause they adhere to the "social code" of StarCraft. But the big difference is, that these are guys who are at an equal-ish level of skill, where they know, that they almost always have a worthy opponent (at least in the upper brackets). But do I, Johnny-Diamond-Whatsoever-League "gg" my 7pooling opponent, who's doing that 50 games the whole day, while im trying my best ? -> Nope ! Not rage, but i just have no respect for someone 7pooling on the ladder. What i want to say: There is no ultimate rule or reason behind the Mannerism in StarCraft. On a high level, its obligatory to be good mannered, because your opponent deserves the respect. But i will not handshake and "gg" my buddy, who is ten times worse than me @ soccer, because of his lucky penalty shot.  What's wrong with 7 pooling on the ladder? It's part of the game. What game are you playing? | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
"oh hello so nice to see you darling!" I love "social norms" and there is a reason why even in sports the handshake is not requested in the same moment you lose but after everyone has calmed down again. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Chained
United States137 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 03 2012 15:13 FrayzZeUsher wrote: handshakes are not made every 10 minutes. You are right, they are done before the start of every match. | ||
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omgimonfire15
United States233 Posts
On April 03 2012 15:51 Daimai wrote: I gg sometimes, sometimes I dont. But to me gg is a sign of submission, that you are bad and that you lost. Also the fact that "gg" has gotten a new meaning, yeah you can go around and assign random meanings to words. Like "car" suddenly means "potato" or something.. good game is simply good game. this is why we have words guys. if you want to acknowledge a payers existence like you all seem so eager to do, i suggest getting a new acronym more in line with what it means. I guess we should stop shaking hands too then because the act itself it utterly meaningless. We should just nod to each other, that acknowledges each others existence. | ||
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