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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 03 2012 06:30 GMT
#41
GG is not the MEANING of "good game" its like a handshake in soccer or tennis ...
you not understand the sportmanship overall, if you got crushed by someone in tennis you still give him the hand

in the proleagues like korea you would get huge problems not writing gg, even idra do
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
EMPaThy789
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand878 Posts
April 03 2012 06:31 GMT
#42
On April 03 2012 15:13 Bibbit wrote:
I would also say this if I were an asshole

i agree completely. you wouldnt leave a room without saying "goodbye" to a person after u did some sort of activity with them for 10~ mins unless you're socially akaward or something. typing gg when u lose is pretty much a sign of respect and maturity(like saying goodbye to people) rather than being imature and leaving abruptly (like just walking out after a doctor's apointment or something without saying thanks)
CTRLTiLT
Profile Joined February 2011
69 Posts
April 03 2012 06:31 GMT
#43
lol OP you are fucking retarded

User was warned for this post
iWiSHiWASGUD
Profile Joined October 2011
United States35 Posts
April 03 2012 06:31 GMT
#44
It sounds like somebody finally got the permission from their parents to burn some vegatation via pipe..
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
April 03 2012 06:32 GMT
#45
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Being respectful isn't about feeling good--it's about doing the right thing no matter how you feel. It's called being civil. It's called not being selfish.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:34:32
April 03 2012 06:33 GMT
#46
On April 03 2012 15:17 Twistacles wrote:
BMing is rude. Not saying gg isn't.

I'll rarely gg, tbh.


This.

I don't care about glhf / gg (although I prefer to say glhf in hopes that my opponent will be less bm at the end of the game).

But actual bm / insults? Usually at the end of the game? yeah that needs to go plz. every freaking person on ladder does it and it makes laddering such a chore. also makes the sc2 community look like a bunch of immature idra wanna-be's.
FrayzZeUsher
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
April 03 2012 06:34 GMT
#47
On April 03 2012 15:32 lorkac wrote:
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Being respectful isn't about feeling good--it's about doing the right thing no matter how you feel. It's called being civil. It's called not being selfish.


Why is it one or the other? it's not selfish, it's neutral, since nothing has been said.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 03 2012 06:34 GMT
#48
Neither 'gg' nor 'gl hf' should be something you consider rating the game but rather something that is a given. Do you really want your opponent to have luck or argueably fun? (I would adress fun in Starcraft with winning). It doesn't matter if you think it was a bad game, perhaps it wasn't for your opponent.

Its just something you plainly say because you should. Certainly doesn't affect your play by any means.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Ewic
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada121 Posts
April 03 2012 06:34 GMT
#49
On April 03 2012 15:29 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:25 Ewic wrote:
"It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello."

How is that illogical? If someone says "hello" to you, you say "hello" back. Not saying anything DOES make you a rude person.

Also, your post is extremely condescending. Might want to restructure your arguments.

I hope you're just trolling.


You are in a rush, late to get to work and have no time for idle chit chat, and zoom right past the person saying hello. It's unreasonable to say this is a bad person, it just means he wasn't nice. Opinions are not binary, you can be neutral- not black and white dude.


If that's the scenario, then your analogy is simply not a good one. Since when is someone in a rush to leave a game? Also, you did say the person waited 3 minutes for a reply lol... Typing "GG" takes 2 seconds. A better comparison would be how in soccer games, it's customary for both teams at the end, to shake the hands of all the players on the team. It's seen as extremely bad manner if you purposely don't shake someone's hand and all that. I'm not saying that not saying "GG" is extremely bad manner, but it is a little rude.
GrandMaster Terran
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:37:30
April 03 2012 06:34 GMT
#50
I only say gg when I think it was a good game. I refuse to conform to the norm of always saying gg, and I refuse to remove the original meaning, and value, of gg. And I get shit for it all the time, even after I explain my position, and tell them that I meant no disrespect, and did not rage, which leads me to conclude that people get pissed at me just for not conforming, even if they know I am not raging, or disrespecting.

I never rage. I have litteraly never insulted my opponent or raged at him after a game. And yet people who have tell me that I am BM. Go fornicate yourselves, you hypocrites.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
joeyBanana
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany77 Posts
April 03 2012 06:37 GMT
#51
When you're watching Code S everyone says gg, 'cause its a rule there. When you're watching MLG, everyone says gg, 'cause they adhere to the "social code" of StarCraft. But the big difference is, that these are guys who are at an equal-ish level of skill, where they know, that they almost always have a worthy opponent (at least in the upper brackets). But do I, Johnny-Diamond-Whatsoever-League "gg" my 7pooling opponent, who's doing that 50 games the whole day, while im trying my best ? -> Nope ! Not rage, but i just have no respect for someone 7pooling on the ladder.

What i want to say: There is no ultimate rule or reason behind the Mannerism in StarCraft. On a high level, its obligatory to be good mannered, because your opponent deserves the respect. But i will not handshake and "gg" my buddy, who is ten times worse than me @ soccer, because of his lucky penalty shot.
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pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
April 03 2012 06:37 GMT
#52
poor sheth
lol jk but i guess its up to the person to decide?
there is a degree of professionalism that must be displayed at times though :O
*rawr* d(^_^d)
adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
April 03 2012 06:38 GMT
#53
Its nothing to do with whether the game is good or bad, it's social convention because when you beat someone at a game you don't actually want them to be upset, by saying gg you essentially confirm that theres no hard feelings.

If there are hard feelings, expressing them is rude, its a game that you both play to win. It's called being a good sportsman.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
April 03 2012 06:38 GMT
#54
On April 03 2012 15:34 vOdToasT wrote:
I only say gg when I think it was a good game. I refuse to conform to the norm of always saying gg, and I refuse to remove the original meaning, and value, of gg. And I get shit for it all the time, even after I explain my position, and tell them that I meant no disrespect, and did not rage, which leads me to conclude that people get pissed at me just for not conforming, even if they know I am not raging, or disrespecting.

I never rage. I have litteraly never insulted my opponent or raged at him after a game. And yet people who have tell me that I am BM. Go fornicate yourselves, you hypocrites.

you hipster you
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 03 2012 06:40 GMT
#55
i understand not gg is not rude, when it comes to ladder, because that just a scrimmage online with a random opponent and no one is obligated to say glhf and/or gg.

however, when it comes to tournament setting, i think that changes a bit, in a same way any sports will start with a hank shake and whatnot. even boxing where they beat each other up, as long as they dont have personal beef, they end up congratulating each other. tournament setting is professional unlike laddering.

gg would mean good game in ladder setting, gg in tournament setting, firstly means "you win".
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
April 03 2012 06:40 GMT
#56
On April 03 2012 15:25 Ewic wrote:
"It's like this situation for example. You say 'hello' to someone online for instance, and after 3 mins you get no response from them. An illogical assumption would be that this person is rude or hates the person saying hello."

How is that illogical? If someone says "hello" to you, you say "hello" back. Not saying anything DOES make you a rude person.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

OP is probably terribly socially inept and unaware of it. Basic courtesies are a part of human interaction, online games included. Get used to it.
omgimonfire15
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 06:41:11
April 03 2012 06:40 GMT
#57
As stated above, you are taking the meaning of gg way to literally. It is for civility, like athletes shaking hands after a game. it can potentially get people to take us seriously as we have our own "code".

Your argument about chatting is ridiculous. too many variables and situations. what if they are in a rush? what if they just ignore you because they don't like you? what about the busy mode button? what if they went to the bathroom?

As a psychology major, I can say that this slight discomfort people feel who take the game a bit more seriously is justified. When you enter the game, you want to be treated as an equal, it is a human right. Not saying gg, not shaking a hand, is like telling them they are not worth it and are beneath you. People can get away with in in starcraft because it is a game. But in real life, if you are like that, you will get walked over by everyone.

Also from a logical perspective, why would anyone get angry at not receiving a gg? I have rarely seen anyone get truly angry at a lack of gg, even at the highest level of play. When someone does not gg, it is most likely due to rage. rage shows you that you have successfully defeated your opponent and that they are too immature to accept it. Players then rationalize that they wouldn't be that childish and stupid from the game. Then a feeling of superiority comes in, even if the players themselves rage.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
April 03 2012 06:40 GMT
#58
On April 03 2012 15:13 Bibbit wrote:
I would also say this if I were an asshole


Hahaha aww yeah, I was hoping I would find you posting here.

IMO, you're playing with someone else. It doesn't have anything to do with the game being "good" or not, it's social, and good etiquette. I say glhf at the beginning of the game to say hi, and be friendly. I gg to say "goodbye" in a sense. It makes the game so much more enjoyable to me when there are good manners. I have had people message me after a game to compliment some aspect of my play, and that makes me feel 10x better about the game. I try to reciprocate that.

glhf and gg are good yo.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
April 03 2012 06:40 GMT
#59
On April 03 2012 15:34 FrayzZeUsher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:32 lorkac wrote:
[image loading]

Being respectful isn't about feeling good--it's about doing the right thing no matter how you feel. It's called being civil. It's called not being selfish.


Why is it one or the other? it's not selfish, it's neutral, since nothing has been said.


I do not think you understand what the word selfish means....

Selfish does not mean being malicious. It means one doesn't care what the other person thinks or feels. You know, some people call it being neutral. When you don't really care either or. In other words, only thinking of yourself instead of others.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
April 03 2012 06:41 GMT
#60
your logic of "basic knowledge of psychology" is like someone trying to do napkin math of string theory. on acid. with an agenda.
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