I'm apologizing about bad post's on teamliquid.net and team-aaa.com about team electronic Sahara .
I wrote that esahara didnt payed me salary for last 2 month after i left team .That way they would punish me for i announced my leave without telling esahara's direction . That was reasons for me do thing like this , one of this was my deal with Ryad Abour - esahara CEO . Than i wrote some posts about they wont pay me salary up and something . But today i recieved money for last 2 month . So we go each other ways with piece .
My apologizes to community about all this sitaution , i was very care about my money , and now i recieved it . I made mistakes so take bad reputation like my deals , not like esahara's .
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
On March 13 2012 05:18 eSaharaVerdi wrote: I'm apologizing about bad post's on teamliquid.net and team-aaa.com about team electronic Sahara .
I wrote that esahara didnt payed me salary for last 2 month after i left team .That way they would punish me for i announced my leave without telling esahara's direction . That was reasons for me do thing like this , one of this was my deal with Ryad Abour - esahara CEO . Than i wrote some posts about they wont pay me salary up and something . But today i recieved money for last 2 month . So we go each other ways with piece .
My apologizes to community about all this sitaution , i was very care about my money , and now i recieved it . I made mistakes so take bad reputation like my deals , not like esahara's .
I'm apologizing about my bad posts on TL and Team-aaa.com about the team E-sahara + Show Spoiler +
I wrote that esahara didn't pay me my last 2 months salary after I left the team. That way they would punish me for not annoucing my departure, There were reasons for me doing something like this, one of them was my deal with Ryad Abour (esahara CEO) Then I wrote some posts about why they wont pay my salary or so, but today I recieved money for the last 2 months so we go our own ways peacefully I'm aplogising about my bad posts on TL and Team-aaa.com about the team esahara
I rewrote a more english friendly version if it's correct with what you meant.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
On March 13 2012 05:25 Marcus420 wrote: he claimed eS didnt pay 2 months salary.
eS payed the 2 month salary
gg glhf all. XD
yep end of story. for all those bosses out there, pay your employees on time. nothing more frustrating, also dont let them miss lunch. craziest shit happens when ppl are hungry and have to work
hmm.. seems like EGBurgerMan actually did this to help the poor fellow. Now everyone feels sorry for him due to geoffs comments, and will ignore his mistakes!
Verdi thank you for taking the time to try to clear things up and apologize since you feel like you did something wrong. glad everything worked out. feel better. gg
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
You’ve got to be kidding me. I’ve been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I actually have in certain occasions. But sometimes I've decided really to go far to even use anything to do more like for want of some places. Not really here though.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
I found this post very funny. Am I a bad man?
Keep your sense of humor in check. This is serious business after all.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
I found this post very funny. Am I a bad man?
One of the bad men of TL xD
I find the trolling in this thread to be quite fun!
It's nice that Verdi came out with the truth though. He's should probably update his OP with the "transmorgrified" version posted a bit further down tho'.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
I found this post very funny. Am I a bad man?
Pretty hard not to laugh at that imo. We shouldn't though
Well I'm glad they stepped up and paid what was due, I'm also glad to see your professionalism in admitting your mistakes and in apologizing. I hope this trend of high standards and professionalism continues by both teams and players.
The trolls, the trolls! They make my life sad...On the internet! Oh, the Internet. I can count on everyone there... And I will, I will! Because people.. Yes, those people! They're my true friends... On Internet, oh Internet.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
I found this post very funny. Am I a bad man?
Nope, I personally thought it was the best post in this thread so far.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
Bombing another serious post in the name of getting attention, nice one. Although I didn't read the original rant on eSahara I respect going out and making things right after the team has done so themselves.
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
That's exactly what I dislike about Incontrol; here he makes fun of this guy just because english isn't his first language (which itself isn't a no-go, it's just uncalled for), but in any recent occasion he was laughed at his reaction was totally thin-skinned and he replied with a bunch of swear words.
And how good is your russian Incontrol? I think Verdi speaks 100 times better english than you russian. He tries hard to speak and to write english. Don't blame him for it. It's unfair!
Didn`t really like Incontrol`s post as he just tries to display superiority, but oh well...
Good that Verdi got his money and nice that he made an apology that seemed sincere. On the other hand I hope that it will not be the only decent move that Verdi will be known for in the esport world so please start to treat your opponents with respect and manner up. There is no need for a reincarnation of the young Naniwa back in his Warcraft days.
not trying to be mean but can you just write it in your language and ask someone to translate that for you? I would like to know what happened to esahara.
On March 13 2012 07:10 Terminal wrote: EGBurgerMan trying to be the center of attention again.
He has to be good at something I suppose.
he has to do something between eating. obv playing sc2 isn't it.
but still, i guess it wouldn't hurt to have someone look over the post and correct it. no need to make fun of him trying to be a good person and reach out though.
On topic: I think this is an honorable apology. Definitely the right thing to do, and I hope that eSahara is happy with this apology. Good luck in the future.
On March 13 2012 07:14 Roggay wrote: Ahahah good job incontrol! You turned this otherwise plain and not that interesting thread into a fine, entertaining one.
On March 13 2012 07:10 Terminal wrote: EGBurgerMan trying to be the center of attention again.
He has to be good at something I suppose.
ROFL ....
Anyways, english native speakers should be more comprehensive towards those guys whose native language isn't english...if you guys don't know, russian is very different to english in every aspect... so let's be more respectful.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
Tout le staff eSahara tient tout d’abord à réitérer ses remerciements à Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov pour tout le travail qu’il a effectué au sein de la structure et tout le temps qu’il a passé à gérer notre équipe Starcraft 2.
Néanmoins, il est bon d’expliquer pourquoi nous en sommes arrivés là aujourd’hui. À ce titre, nous souhaitons rappeler qu’il y a maintenant quelques semaines, des accrochages sont apparus entre Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et certains joueurs de l'équipe. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström en a d’ailleurs fait les frais il y a quelques jours, puisqu'il a été renvoyé par Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, et ce sans raison apparente.
Après enquête, il s'est avéré que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov a bel et bien abusé de ses pouvoirs de manager afin de régler un conflit personnel avec Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, et cela au détriment des intérêts d’eSahara.
Une telle pratique étant inacceptable, l’équipe dirigeante d’eSahara a décidé de réintégrer Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström dans l’effectif vendredi 9 mars dernier.
Suite à ce malencontreux événement, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, qui n'a bien évidemment pas apprécié que son autorité soit remise en question, a décidé de faire savoir son mécontentement en rédigeant un communiqué indiquant son départ, et cela sans nous en avoir informés au préalable.
Nous apprendrons dans ce communiqué que son départ s’accompagne de celui-ci d’ Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, dont par ailleurs, nous ne comprenons toujours pas les raisons, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko ayant toujours bénéficié de l’intégralité des avantages offerts par notre structure, de la même manière que tous les joueurs portant les couleurs d’eSahara. La raison évoquée dans le communiqué est le non-paiement de son salaire, or Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, qui est eSahara depuis maintenant 6 mois, n’a jamais eu de problème au niveau du versement de sa rémunération, et, nous tenons à le rappeler, il en est de même pour les 15 autres joueurs de notre effectif.
Les raisons du départ de Verdi restent floues. Nous savons cependant qu'il a reçu une offre plus attrayante de la part d'une autre équipe. Nous pensons donc que le motif "salaire" n’était qu’un prétexte pour rejoindre sa nouvelle équipe. Nous avions pourtant placé de grandes espérances dans le potentiel d' Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, en lui laissant par deux fois la chance de réintégrer la structure, alors même qu'il nous avait quittés dans des circonstances similaires, c'est-à-dire sans raisons que nous jugions valables.
La position d’eSahara est donc très claire. Nous estimons tout bonnement inadmissibles que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et Artem "Verdi" Avramenko aient décidé de rédiger un communiqué concernant leurs départs, sans en avoir préalablement informé quiconque dans l'équipe dirigeante d'eSahara. Cette action a grandement porté préjudice à notre image, c'est donc pour cette raison que nous avons décidé de geler le salaire de Artem "Verdi" Avramenko jusqu'à nouvel ordre.
Cette affaire prouve une fois encore à quel point Artem "Verdi" Avramenko et Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov manquent de professionnalisme. Ils ne méritaient pas la confiance et l’investissement que nous avions placés en eux.
eSahara fournit à ses joueurs un encadrement et une logistique professionnelle afin d'atteindre des objectifs élevés. Cette annonce a grandement secoué l’ensemble de notre équipe, puisqu'aucun joueur ou membre du staff ne s'était plaint jusqu’alors des conditions offertes par la structure.
Merci d'avoir pris la peine de lire ces explications. Direction eSahara - eSahara.net
E-Sahara explains there was a conflict between one of their players, Satinii, and the manager of the SC2 section, Test. Test abused his position to expel Satinii from the section. After reviewing the actions of both of them, they (read, the owner of E-Sahara) reintegrated Satinii as the manager didn't had the power to take those kind of decisions. Test decided to leave E-Sahara, and he left with his Verdi, a friend of him.
E-Sahara has some really strong words against Verdi, and Test, calling them unprofessional and untrustworthy. They explain they did pay Verdi's salaries, and that they know Verdi received a better offer from another team. Therefore, they think Verdi's announcement was doctored to facilitate his departure from the structure.
E-sports, as dirty as real sports, with 0,0001% the money.
Tout le staff eSahara tient tout d’abord à réitérer ses remerciements à Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov pour tout le travail qu’il a effectué au sein de la structure et tout le temps qu’il a passé à gérer notre équipe Starcraft 2.
Néanmoins, il est bon d’expliquer pourquoi nous en sommes arrivés là aujourd’hui. À ce titre, nous souhaitons rappeler qu’il y a maintenant quelques semaines, des accrochages sont apparus entre Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et certains joueurs de l'équipe. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström en a d’ailleurs fait les frais il y a quelques jours, puisqu'il a été renvoyé par Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, et ce sans raison apparente.
Après enquête, il s'est avéré que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov a bel et bien abusé de ses pouvoirs de manager afin de régler un conflit personnel avec Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, et cela au détriment des intérêts d’eSahara.
Une telle pratique étant inacceptable, l’équipe dirigeante d’eSahara a décidé de réintégrer Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström dans l’effectif vendredi 9 mars dernier.
Suite à ce malencontreux événement, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, qui n'a bien évidemment pas apprécié que son autorité soit remise en question, a décidé de faire savoir son mécontentement en rédigeant un communiqué indiquant son départ, et cela sans nous en avoir informés au préalable.
Nous apprendrons dans ce communiqué que son départ s’accompagne de celui-ci d’ Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, dont par ailleurs, nous ne comprenons toujours pas les raisons, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko ayant toujours bénéficié de l’intégralité des avantages offerts par notre structure, de la même manière que tous les joueurs portant les couleurs d’eSahara. La raison évoquée dans le communiqué est le non-paiement de son salaire, or Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, qui est eSahara depuis maintenant 6 mois, n’a jamais eu de problème au niveau du versement de sa rémunération, et, nous tenons à le rappeler, il en est de même pour les 15 autres joueurs de notre effectif.
Les raisons du départ de Verdi restent floues. Nous savons cependant qu'il a reçu une offre plus attrayante de la part d'une autre équipe. Nous pensons donc que le motif "salaire" n’était qu’un prétexte pour rejoindre sa nouvelle équipe. Nous avions pourtant placé de grandes espérances dans le potentiel d' Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, en lui laissant par deux fois la chance de réintégrer la structure, alors même qu'il nous avait quittés dans des circonstances similaires, c'est-à-dire sans raisons que nous jugions valables.
La position d’eSahara est donc très claire. Nous estimons tout bonnement inadmissibles que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et Artem "Verdi" Avramenko aient décidé de rédiger un communiqué concernant leurs départs, sans en avoir préalablement informé quiconque dans l'équipe dirigeante d'eSahara. Cette action a grandement porté préjudice à notre image, c'est donc pour cette raison que nous avons décidé de geler le salaire de Artem "Verdi" Avramenko jusqu'à nouvel ordre.
Cette affaire prouve une fois encore à quel point Artem "Verdi" Avramenko et Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov manquent de professionnalisme. Ils ne méritaient pas la confiance et l’investissement que nous avions placés en eux.
eSahara fournit à ses joueurs un encadrement et une logistique professionnelle afin d'atteindre des objectifs élevés. Cette annonce a grandement secoué l’ensemble de notre équipe, puisqu'aucun joueur ou membre du staff ne s'était plaint jusqu’alors des conditions offertes par la structure.
Merci d'avoir pris la peine de lire ces explications. Direction eSahara - eSahara.net
E-Sahara explains there was a conflict between one of their players, Satinii, and the manager of the SC2 section, Test. Test abused his position to expel Satinii from the section. After reviewing the actions of both of them, they (read, the owner of E-Sahara) reintegrated Satinii as the manager didn't had the power to take those kind of decisions. Test decided to leave E-Sahara, and he left with his Verdi, a friend of him.
E-Sahara has some really strong words against Verdi, and Test, calling them unprofessional and untrustworthy. They explain they did pay Verdi's salaries, and that they know Verdi received a better offer from another team. Therefore, they think Verdi's announcement was doctored to facilitate his departure from the structure.
E-sports, as dirty as real sports, with 0,0001% the money.
Thank you, i genuinely wanted to know what this was about.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
On March 13 2012 07:10 Terminal wrote: EGBurgerMan trying to be the center of attention again.
He has to be good at something I suppose.
ROFL ....
Anyways, english native speakers should be more comprehensive towards those guys whose native language isn't english...if you guys don't know, russian is very different to english in every aspect... so let's be more respectful.
On March 13 2012 07:10 Terminal wrote: EGBurgerMan trying to be the center of attention again.
He has to be good at something I suppose.
ROFL ....
Anyways, english native speakers should be more comprehensive towards those guys whose native language isn't english...if you guys don't know, russian is very different to english in every aspect... so let's be more respectful.
"...English native speakers should be more *sympathetic* towards those guys..."
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I didn't get your first post, but this is priceless
On March 13 2012 05:19 iNcontroL wrote: i is except for what said you by
be more polite man you talk like that to koreans?
stop lurkin on the forum being a 1st poster on everything, and go practice sc2. surprising anybody buys coaching from you. you can't even coach yourself to beat anyone
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
The thing is, by making fun of TLers that speak english only as a foreign language, you kind of "exclude" them from the community. Im sure Verdi tried his best here, so why troll this serious topic?
To me, making fun of someones language while he is not a native speaker, is just like making fun of a blind man becaus he cant see. Not sure if you wouldn troll the blind man too though.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
Cmone dont get emo over this 5 retards that are searching for every possibility to diss u, keep on trollin.
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
Jokes =/= shitty mockery. Can't you at least get that ?
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
There is nothing wrong with jokes, but if the extent of your humor is mocking other people for their poor English or their "funny" accents, maybe you should spend more time working on your jokes?
Keep reaching for the lowest common denominator Geoff! Stay classy.
On March 13 2012 05:18 eSaharaVerdi wrote: I'm apologizing about bad post's on teamliquid.net and team-aaa.com about team electronic Sahara .
I wrote that esahara didnt payed me salary for last 2 month after i left team .That way they would punish me for i announced my leave without telling esahara's direction . That was reasons for me do thing like this , one of this was my deal with Ryad Abour - esahara CEO . Than i wrote some posts about they wont pay me salary up and something . But today i recieved money for last 2 month . So we go each other ways with piece .
My apologizes to community about all this sitaution , i was very care about my money , and now i recieved it . I made mistakes so take bad reputation like my deals , not like esahara's .
Nice to see that the money situation is all cleared up and everything is just water under the bridge. Good luck in future endeavors!
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I'm usually with you on your humor and the community's inability to get it, but I think you're in the wrong on this one. How many languages do you speak?
On March 13 2012 05:18 eSaharaVerdi wrote: I'm apologizing about bad post's on teamliquid.net and team-aaa.com about team electronic Sahara .
I wrote that esahara didnt payed me salary for last 2 month after i left team .That way they would punish me for i announced my leave without telling esahara's direction . That was reasons for me do thing like this , one of this was my deal with Ryad Abour - esahara CEO . Than i wrote some posts about they wont pay me salary up and something . But today i recieved money for last 2 month . So we go each other ways with piece .
My apologizes to community about all this sitaution , i was very care about my money , and now i recieved it . I made mistakes so take bad reputation like my deals , not like esahara's .
it's still a bad post, grammar mistakes everywhere and bad punctuation.
lol! well I appreciate your apology even though I have no reason to be angry at you because I never saw said posts.
Tout le staff eSahara tient tout d’abord à réitérer ses remerciements à Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov pour tout le travail qu’il a effectué au sein de la structure et tout le temps qu’il a passé à gérer notre équipe Starcraft 2.
Néanmoins, il est bon d’expliquer pourquoi nous en sommes arrivés là aujourd’hui. À ce titre, nous souhaitons rappeler qu’il y a maintenant quelques semaines, des accrochages sont apparus entre Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et certains joueurs de l'équipe. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström en a d’ailleurs fait les frais il y a quelques jours, puisqu'il a été renvoyé par Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, et ce sans raison apparente.
Après enquête, il s'est avéré que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov a bel et bien abusé de ses pouvoirs de manager afin de régler un conflit personnel avec Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, et cela au détriment des intérêts d’eSahara.
Une telle pratique étant inacceptable, l’équipe dirigeante d’eSahara a décidé de réintégrer Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström dans l’effectif vendredi 9 mars dernier.
Suite à ce malencontreux événement, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, qui n'a bien évidemment pas apprécié que son autorité soit remise en question, a décidé de faire savoir son mécontentement en rédigeant un communiqué indiquant son départ, et cela sans nous en avoir informés au préalable.
Nous apprendrons dans ce communiqué que son départ s’accompagne de celui-ci d’ Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, dont par ailleurs, nous ne comprenons toujours pas les raisons, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko ayant toujours bénéficié de l’intégralité des avantages offerts par notre structure, de la même manière que tous les joueurs portant les couleurs d’eSahara. La raison évoquée dans le communiqué est le non-paiement de son salaire, or Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, qui est eSahara depuis maintenant 6 mois, n’a jamais eu de problème au niveau du versement de sa rémunération, et, nous tenons à le rappeler, il en est de même pour les 15 autres joueurs de notre effectif.
Les raisons du départ de Verdi restent floues. Nous savons cependant qu'il a reçu une offre plus attrayante de la part d'une autre équipe. Nous pensons donc que le motif "salaire" n’était qu’un prétexte pour rejoindre sa nouvelle équipe. Nous avions pourtant placé de grandes espérances dans le potentiel d' Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, en lui laissant par deux fois la chance de réintégrer la structure, alors même qu'il nous avait quittés dans des circonstances similaires, c'est-à-dire sans raisons que nous jugions valables.
La position d’eSahara est donc très claire. Nous estimons tout bonnement inadmissibles que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et Artem "Verdi" Avramenko aient décidé de rédiger un communiqué concernant leurs départs, sans en avoir préalablement informé quiconque dans l'équipe dirigeante d'eSahara. Cette action a grandement porté préjudice à notre image, c'est donc pour cette raison que nous avons décidé de geler le salaire de Artem "Verdi" Avramenko jusqu'à nouvel ordre.
Cette affaire prouve une fois encore à quel point Artem "Verdi" Avramenko et Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov manquent de professionnalisme. Ils ne méritaient pas la confiance et l’investissement que nous avions placés en eux.
eSahara fournit à ses joueurs un encadrement et une logistique professionnelle afin d'atteindre des objectifs élevés. Cette annonce a grandement secoué l’ensemble de notre équipe, puisqu'aucun joueur ou membre du staff ne s'était plaint jusqu’alors des conditions offertes par la structure.
Merci d'avoir pris la peine de lire ces explications. Direction eSahara - eSahara.net
E-Sahara explains there was a conflict between one of their players, Satinii, and the manager of the SC2 section, Test. Test abused his position to expel Satinii from the section. After reviewing the actions of both of them, they (read, the owner of E-Sahara) reintegrated Satinii as the manager didn't had the power to take those kind of decisions. Test decided to leave E-Sahara, and he left with his Verdi, a friend of him.
E-Sahara has some really strong words against Verdi, and Test, calling them unprofessional and untrustworthy. They explain they did pay Verdi's salaries, and that they know Verdi received a better offer from another team. Therefore, they think Verdi's announcement was doctored to facilitate his departure from the structure.
E-sports, as dirty as real sports, with 0,0001% the money.
I'll translate directly in english eSahara's statement :
The whole eSahara staff deeply thanks Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov for the work he put through for our organisation and the time he took to manage our SC2 team.
Still, it'd be good to explain why we came to such lengths today. Thus we would like to remind that a few weeks ago, problems happened between Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov and some of our players. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström got the short end of the stick from those a few days ago, since he was fired by Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov without any obvious reason.
After investigating, we found out Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov abused his powers as a manager in order to solve a personal problem with Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, to the detriment of eSahara's interests.
Such conduct being unacceptable, the board of eSahara decided to take back Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström in the team on friday, march 3rd.
Following this regrettable incident, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, unhappy that his authority had been overrun/compromised, released a statement announcing his departure from the team, without informing us beforehand.
We learned in this statement the departure of Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, and to this day we still don't know why he left, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko having been provided with all the advantages our organization offered, as have all the players under our flag. The reason he gave was the non-payment of his salary, while we never had any problems with paying the wages of Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, who has been in eSahara for the last 6 months, as well as our 15 other players, may we add.
The reason for Verdi's departure are still blurry. We do know he has received a better offer from another team. We were thus thinking he used the "salary" reason to join his new team. We were eager to see his potential develop in eSahara, letting him rejoin the team twice, while he had left us in the same way, without any reasons we found worthy.
eSahara's stance is this very clear. We find it unacceptable that Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov and Artem "Verdi" Avramenko published statements regarding their departure of the team, without having warned anyone in eSahara's management. This damaged our public image, that's why we decided to withhold Verdi's salary until further notice.
This further proves the lack of professionnalism show by Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov and Artem "Verdi" Avramenko. They didn't deserve our investment and trust.
eSahara provides their players with logistics and managing on a professionnal level to allow them to fulfill high objectives. This statement shook greatly our whole team, since no player or staff member ever complained of the conditions we provided them with.
Thanks for reading our explanations. eSahara's board - eSahara.net
Sorry if some sentences come out a bit weird, it's been quite some time since I haven't used "official" terms and expressions ><
@ iNcontrol : the first time was funny, the others are NOT.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I have to admit that this was funny and that I like incontrol. But I don't think that making fun of someone you don't know just cause he doesn't have a good english is stupid.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I have to admit that this was funny and that I like incontrol. But I don't think that making fun of someone you don't know just cause he doesn't have a good english is stupid.
But i don't think?
Do you or do you not think it's stupid?
I agree it's stupid, yet i also found it hilarious.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
There is a difference between racism and a joke. Maybe you found it funny, maybe you didn't.
Still people use the ''r'' word way to much. Stereotype jokes aren't racist, i know alot of you think that's it's the first step towards acceptance of racism but i disagree. Is it also an insult to White-Ra when we go around saying Special tektiks?! Hell no, who doesn't love the guy.
Good that the trouble has been sorted out :D. So tired of E-sports ''Drama'' =/
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I have to admit that this was funny and that I like incontrol. But I don't think that making fun of someone you don't know just cause he doesn't have a good english is stupid.
But i don't think?
Do you or do you not think it's stupid?
I agree it's stupid, yet i also found it hilarious.
Tout le staff eSahara tient tout d’abord à réitérer ses remerciements à Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov pour tout le travail qu’il a effectué au sein de la structure et tout le temps qu’il a passé à gérer notre équipe Starcraft 2.
Néanmoins, il est bon d’expliquer pourquoi nous en sommes arrivés là aujourd’hui. À ce titre, nous souhaitons rappeler qu’il y a maintenant quelques semaines, des accrochages sont apparus entre Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et certains joueurs de l'équipe. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström en a d’ailleurs fait les frais il y a quelques jours, puisqu'il a été renvoyé par Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, et ce sans raison apparente.
Après enquête, il s'est avéré que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov a bel et bien abusé de ses pouvoirs de manager afin de régler un conflit personnel avec Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, et cela au détriment des intérêts d’eSahara.
Une telle pratique étant inacceptable, l’équipe dirigeante d’eSahara a décidé de réintégrer Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström dans l’effectif vendredi 9 mars dernier.
Suite à ce malencontreux événement, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, qui n'a bien évidemment pas apprécié que son autorité soit remise en question, a décidé de faire savoir son mécontentement en rédigeant un communiqué indiquant son départ, et cela sans nous en avoir informés au préalable.
Nous apprendrons dans ce communiqué que son départ s’accompagne de celui-ci d’ Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, dont par ailleurs, nous ne comprenons toujours pas les raisons, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko ayant toujours bénéficié de l’intégralité des avantages offerts par notre structure, de la même manière que tous les joueurs portant les couleurs d’eSahara. La raison évoquée dans le communiqué est le non-paiement de son salaire, or Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, qui est eSahara depuis maintenant 6 mois, n’a jamais eu de problème au niveau du versement de sa rémunération, et, nous tenons à le rappeler, il en est de même pour les 15 autres joueurs de notre effectif.
Les raisons du départ de Verdi restent floues. Nous savons cependant qu'il a reçu une offre plus attrayante de la part d'une autre équipe. Nous pensons donc que le motif "salaire" n’était qu’un prétexte pour rejoindre sa nouvelle équipe. Nous avions pourtant placé de grandes espérances dans le potentiel d' Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, en lui laissant par deux fois la chance de réintégrer la structure, alors même qu'il nous avait quittés dans des circonstances similaires, c'est-à-dire sans raisons que nous jugions valables.
La position d’eSahara est donc très claire. Nous estimons tout bonnement inadmissibles que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et Artem "Verdi" Avramenko aient décidé de rédiger un communiqué concernant leurs départs, sans en avoir préalablement informé quiconque dans l'équipe dirigeante d'eSahara. Cette action a grandement porté préjudice à notre image, c'est donc pour cette raison que nous avons décidé de geler le salaire de Artem "Verdi" Avramenko jusqu'à nouvel ordre.
Cette affaire prouve une fois encore à quel point Artem "Verdi" Avramenko et Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov manquent de professionnalisme. Ils ne méritaient pas la confiance et l’investissement que nous avions placés en eux.
eSahara fournit à ses joueurs un encadrement et une logistique professionnelle afin d'atteindre des objectifs élevés. Cette annonce a grandement secoué l’ensemble de notre équipe, puisqu'aucun joueur ou membre du staff ne s'était plaint jusqu’alors des conditions offertes par la structure.
Merci d'avoir pris la peine de lire ces explications. Direction eSahara - eSahara.net
E-Sahara explains there was a conflict between one of their players, Satinii, and the manager of the SC2 section, Test. Test abused his position to expel Satinii from the section. After reviewing the actions of both of them, they (read, the owner of E-Sahara) reintegrated Satinii as the manager didn't had the power to take those kind of decisions. Test decided to leave E-Sahara, and he left with his Verdi, a friend of him.
E-Sahara has some really strong words against Verdi, and Test, calling them unprofessional and untrustworthy. They explain they did pay Verdi's salaries, and that they know Verdi received a better offer from another team. Therefore, they think Verdi's announcement was doctored to facilitate his departure from the structure.
E-sports, as dirty as real sports, with 0,0001% the money.
I'll translate directly in english eSahara's statement :
The whole eSahara staff deeply thanks Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov for the work he put through for our organisation and the time he took to manage our SC2 team.
Still, it'd be good to explain why we came to such lengths today. Thus we would like to remind that a few weeks ago, problems happened between Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov and some of our players. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström got the short end of the stick from those a few days ago, since he was fired by Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov without any obvious reason.
After investigating, we found out Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov abused his powers as a manager in order to solve a personal problem with Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, to the detriment of eSahara's interests.
Such conduct being unacceptable, the board of eSahara decided to take back Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström in the team on friday, march 3rd.
Following this regrettable incident, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, unhappy that his authority had been overrun/compromised, released a statement announcing his departure from the team, without informing us beforehand.
We learned in this statement the departure of Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, and to this day we still don't know why he left, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko having been provided with all the advantages our organization offered, as have all the players under our flag. The reason he gave was the non-payment of his salary, while we never had any problems with paying the wages of Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, who has been in eSahara for the last 6 months, as well as our 15 other players, may we add.
The reason for Verdi's departure are still blurry. We do know he has received a better offer from another team. We were thus thinking he used the "salary" reason to join his new team. We were eager to see his potential develop in eSahara, letting him rejoin the team twice, while he had left us in the same way, without any reasons we found worthy.
eSahara's stance is this very clear. We find it unacceptable that Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov and Artem "Verdi" Avramenko published statements regarding their departure of the team, without having warned anyone in eSahara's management. This damaged our public image, that's why we decided to withhold Verdi's salary until further notice.
This further proves the lack of professionnalism show by Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov and Artem "Verdi" Avramenko. They didn't deserve our investment and trust.
eSahara provides their players with logistics and managing on a professionnal level to allow them to fulfill high objectives. This statement shook greatly our whole team, since no player or staff member ever complained of the conditions we provided them with.
Thanks for reading our explanations. eSahara's board - eSahara.net
Sorry if some sentences come out a bit weird, it's been quite some time since I haven't used "official" terms and expressions ><
@ iNcontrol : the first time was funny, the others are NOT.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
Last I checked russians aren't a race..
Disabled, gays, lesbians, etc, are not either. Your point being ?
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I actually love you Mr. Burgerman Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson. I wish you were streaming atm to be able to respond to your critics in this thread. kekekeke
Good that Verdi made a statement, a pity that there had to be so much drama before this happened. Both party's made mistakes (eSahara not forcing contracts apparently, not paying either. Verdi/Test for leaving the team all of a sudden and doing other bad things (didn't read the whole publication by eSahara).
I hope you get better soon Verdi
Oh, and I don't think it's nice of someone to make fun at the cost of someone else who tries something while being ill. But it's InControl so I guess we're used to it now. Not the end of the world that I don't like him.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
Russia= #1 race!
I do agree tho with the last part. Good to see the "drama" was all cleared up!
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
Last I checked russians aren't a race..
LOLOL what a dodge, someone calls you out on being a dick to someone and you chose to comment on the wording they used? You're that guy that disregards an entire argument when someone saying your instead of you're i bet too.
EG: Say and do whatever you want, as long as you make us money.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Actually this thread is quite interesting. If you examine the posts that got warned, temp and perm banned, apparently, the following triggers are followed by the mods:
Get you warned: mocking another person with minimal vulgarity
Get you temp banned: any post with EGBurgerman. (where did this come from I wonder)
Get you perm banned: homosexual slurs offensive remarks about Incontrol's recent weakness in broadcasted matches attached with vulgarities remarks on Incontrol's personal attributes
and yet, one post mentioned the n-word and slipped through the mod's oversight.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Stay classy EG. What a nice community person you have in burgerman.
Incontrol is a really "like him or hate him" kind of guy (with more of the attention appearing to be on the 'hate him' side of things); there really is no middle-ground. So of course there are going to be mixed responses here (along with a lot of angry people).
Although taking a shot at someones poor english may have been intended as a joke, I don't think it is very appropriate. (Especially given that fact that the guy is english second language).. I mean if english was his first language and he was that bad, I could certainly see making a joke about it.
On March 13 2012 08:35 openbox1 wrote: Actually this thread is quite interesting. If you examine the posts that got warned, temp and perm banned, apparently, the following triggers are followed by the mods:
Get you warned: mocking another person with minimal vulgarity
Get you temp banned: any post with EGBurgerman. (where did this come from I wonder)
Get you perm banned: homosexual slurs offensive remarks about Incontrol's recent weakness in broadcasted matches attached with vulgarities remarks on Incontrol's personal attributes
and yet, one post mentioned the n-word and slipped through the mod's oversight.
Interesting.
Nestea called him BurgerMan. If Boxer can rename Idra into Grack, then Nestea can rename iNcontroL into BurgerMan. I don't think it should be a bannable offense to call him that considering that it's an inside joke from State of the Game/Nestea.
What I don't understand is that everyone is getting worked up about the screwed up English itself rather than the post which really didn't make too much sense really.
If anything, I expected people to say "Oh, what a hero. Looking for attention." but I'm reading all this and people are complaining about the butchered English. Backwards world.
Tout le staff eSahara tient tout d’abord à réitérer ses remerciements à Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov pour tout le travail qu’il a effectué au sein de la structure et tout le temps qu’il a passé à gérer notre équipe Starcraft 2.
Néanmoins, il est bon d’expliquer pourquoi nous en sommes arrivés là aujourd’hui. À ce titre, nous souhaitons rappeler qu’il y a maintenant quelques semaines, des accrochages sont apparus entre Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et certains joueurs de l'équipe. Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström en a d’ailleurs fait les frais il y a quelques jours, puisqu'il a été renvoyé par Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, et ce sans raison apparente.
Après enquête, il s'est avéré que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov a bel et bien abusé de ses pouvoirs de manager afin de régler un conflit personnel avec Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström, et cela au détriment des intérêts d’eSahara.
Une telle pratique étant inacceptable, l’équipe dirigeante d’eSahara a décidé de réintégrer Juha-Matti "Satiini" Backström dans l’effectif vendredi 9 mars dernier.
Suite à ce malencontreux événement, Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov, qui n'a bien évidemment pas apprécié que son autorité soit remise en question, a décidé de faire savoir son mécontentement en rédigeant un communiqué indiquant son départ, et cela sans nous en avoir informés au préalable.
Nous apprendrons dans ce communiqué que son départ s’accompagne de celui-ci d’ Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, dont par ailleurs, nous ne comprenons toujours pas les raisons, Artem "Verdi" Avramenko ayant toujours bénéficié de l’intégralité des avantages offerts par notre structure, de la même manière que tous les joueurs portant les couleurs d’eSahara. La raison évoquée dans le communiqué est le non-paiement de son salaire, or Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, qui est eSahara depuis maintenant 6 mois, n’a jamais eu de problème au niveau du versement de sa rémunération, et, nous tenons à le rappeler, il en est de même pour les 15 autres joueurs de notre effectif.
Les raisons du départ de Verdi restent floues. Nous savons cependant qu'il a reçu une offre plus attrayante de la part d'une autre équipe. Nous pensons donc que le motif "salaire" n’était qu’un prétexte pour rejoindre sa nouvelle équipe. Nous avions pourtant placé de grandes espérances dans le potentiel d' Artem "Verdi" Avramenko, en lui laissant par deux fois la chance de réintégrer la structure, alors même qu'il nous avait quittés dans des circonstances similaires, c'est-à-dire sans raisons que nous jugions valables.
La position d’eSahara est donc très claire. Nous estimons tout bonnement inadmissibles que Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov et Artem "Verdi" Avramenko aient décidé de rédiger un communiqué concernant leurs départs, sans en avoir préalablement informé quiconque dans l'équipe dirigeante d'eSahara. Cette action a grandement porté préjudice à notre image, c'est donc pour cette raison que nous avons décidé de geler le salaire de Artem "Verdi" Avramenko jusqu'à nouvel ordre.
Cette affaire prouve une fois encore à quel point Artem "Verdi" Avramenko et Vlad "TeSt" Bulatov manquent de professionnalisme. Ils ne méritaient pas la confiance et l’investissement que nous avions placés en eux.
eSahara fournit à ses joueurs un encadrement et une logistique professionnelle afin d'atteindre des objectifs élevés. Cette annonce a grandement secoué l’ensemble de notre équipe, puisqu'aucun joueur ou membre du staff ne s'était plaint jusqu’alors des conditions offertes par la structure.
Merci d'avoir pris la peine de lire ces explications. Direction eSahara - eSahara.net
E-Sahara explains there was a conflict between one of their players, Satinii, and the manager of the SC2 section, Test. Test abused his position to expel Satinii from the section. After reviewing the actions of both of them, they (read, the owner of E-Sahara) reintegrated Satinii as the manager didn't had the power to take those kind of decisions. Test decided to leave E-Sahara, and he left with his Verdi, a friend of him.
E-Sahara has some really strong words against Verdi, and Test, calling them unprofessional and untrustworthy. They explain they did pay Verdi's salaries, and that they know Verdi received a better offer from another team. Therefore, they think Verdi's announcement was doctored to facilitate his departure from the structure.
E-sports, as dirty as real sports, with 0,0001% the money.
Thank you very much, this clears up what the OP is referencing, I saw Verdi get mentioned in a few posts but forgot what he was the object of.
And if someone could please PM me what InC's 1st post was translated to in proper English I'd be quite happy. I cannot seem to decipher it after a minute of staring.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
I love it when americans laugh at foreigners for speaking bad english. Especially when its done from some BIG american guy whose girlfriend is known for its participations in beauty competitions. cliché, cliché. USA USA.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
man some people cant take a joke
lol yea nice joke, as you can see people don't like those kind of jokes and if you fail to see why I'm sorry.
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
So entering a serious announcement thread and repeatedly making fun of a foreigner's language now is keeping TL from becoming too dire.
Let's see if this still applies the next time people make ad hominem jokes about Incontrol.
On March 13 2012 07:33 iNcontroL wrote: Guys, I'm want make many apology.
In 1st of my post I maybe mock ed someone for reason I know not good. I try and write russian now, so maybe we feel same together.
Ello, My name is boris Marushinonov. I feel this is problem of my people's and I make, mm, some adjustmints to how you say, my words. If still you feel we need talk? I let akfourseven decide your fate.
Good luck.
Because it's OK to be racist on EG, as long as you don't use the N-word.
He tried his best at English, and it wasn't that great, so what? Not everyone in this global community has great English.
Glad to see some of this eSahara "drama" get cleared up though, it had me pretty puzzled.
man some people cant take a joke
lol yea nice joke, as you can see people don't like those kind of jokes and if you fail to see why I'm sorry.
nope not really cant see why people just need a chill pill sometimes
The high horse that people on temliquid and reddit(lumping it together because its the same thing) is laughable. NOBODY gets offended this easily... if people cant take a joke its THEIR FAULT not the person who told the joke. grow up and grow a backbone people. What the hell ever happened to sticks and stones..
Being offended isnt that bad... nothing happens to you when u are offended. you aren't physically hurt bu being offended. Your just mad for like a day BIG DEAL. suck it up and take a joke
Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they are not fully capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.
What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).
iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.
maybe next time he should do the same kind of joke when WhiteRa announces his next partnership with a new sponsor and see how people react then. lets face it, he just made this comment because its Verdi lol personally I don't like jokes like this even if they are not serious. Pretty sure Verdi didn't find it funny aswell. I think all those EGBurgerman jokes are even worse though...
On March 13 2012 08:49 tWR wrote: Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they do not fully are capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.
What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).
iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.
you realize this community is split between the people who find any possible reason to be upset and the people who enjoy the stuff that people like incontrol does for us. why can't you just enjoy it? remember that the competitive scene in starcraft 2 is nothing without the players or the fans. isnt this what teamliquid is all about? people just need to chill the fuck out because its really no fuckin big deal. i dont get why everyone is trying to make it look like they are smarter than other people just for the sake of doing it.
On March 13 2012 08:35 openbox1 wrote: Actually this thread is quite interesting. If you examine the posts that got warned, temp and perm banned, apparently, the following triggers are followed by the mods:
Get you warned: mocking another person with minimal vulgarity
Get you temp banned: any post with EGBurgerman. (where did this come from I wonder)
Get you perm banned: homosexual slurs offensive remarks about Incontrol's recent weakness in broadcasted matches attached with vulgarities remarks on Incontrol's personal attributes
and yet, one post mentioned the n-word and slipped through the mod's oversight.
Interesting.
Nestea called him BurgerMan. If Boxer can rename Idra into Grack, then Nestea can rename iNcontroL into BurgerMan. I don't think it should be a bannable offense to call him that considering that it's an inside joke from State of the Game/Nestea.
On March 13 2012 08:49 tWR wrote: Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they do not fully are capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.
What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).
iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.
you realize this community is split between the people who find any possible reason to be upset and the people who enjoy the stuff that people like incontrol does for us. why can't you just enjoy it? remember that the competitive scene in starcraft 2 is nothing without the players or the fans. isnt this what teamliquid is all about? people just need to chill the fuck out because its really no fuckin big deal. i dont get why everyone is trying to make it look like they are smarter than other people just for the sake of doing it.
Different people have different opinions. You have what is called an "opinion", or "stance" on a particular matter. Not everyone will share your point of view. Please stop with these dumb posts and making us americans look ignorant just because you lack the understanding of what an opinion is.
To the vast majority of people worldwide on here, I am already perceived as dumb just because of the country stated above all my posts. I don't need you to make that stereotype worse.
On March 13 2012 08:51 Kaitokid wrote: maybe next time he should do the same kind of joke when WhiteRa announces his next partnership with a new sponsor and see how people react then. lets face it, he just made this comment because its Verdi lol personally I don't like jokes like this even if they are not serious. Pretty sure Verdi didn't find it funny aswell. I think all those EGBurgerman jokes are even worse though...
may I add i'm disgusted by most of the people here licking incontrol's big arse
On March 13 2012 08:51 Kaitokid wrote: maybe next time he should do the same kind of joke when WhiteRa announces his next partnership with a new sponsor and see how people react then. lets face it, he just made this comment because its Verdi lol personally I don't like jokes like this even if they are not serious. Pretty sure Verdi didn't find it funny aswell. I think all those EGBurgerman jokes are even worse though...
On March 13 2012 08:49 tWR wrote: Alright I think we all acknowledge that the original post was done in poor English and that is understandable. In a world as diverse as this, there will be many people trying to get across a message in a language they do not fully are capable of using (me talking to my in-laws in broken spanish, they smile, and I know my spanish is terrible but they are thankful for the effort). If we continue to make a mockery of the OP then I think we divide the lines between the korean scene and the foreign scene. I mean why would the Koreans want to play with us competitively if all we did was make fun of them while they don't understand.
What I'm trying to get at is, that we should siphon the meaning from the message, but not judge them based on the form of the message because of the their level of understanding of a language. If anything, we should change the message to be better suited for a english audience (like when a translator translates something from Korean to English for us).
iNcontroL in your 'A Decent Proposal' you called us to bond together as a community, please don't forget the courage you instilled in all of us.
you realize this community is split between the people who find any possible reason to be upset and the people who enjoy the stuff that people like incontrol does for us. why can't you just enjoy it? remember that the competitive scene in starcraft 2 is nothing without the players or the fans. isnt this what teamliquid is all about? people just need to chill the fuck out because its really no fuckin big deal. i dont get why everyone is trying to make it look like they are smarter than other people just for the sake of doing it.
I wasn't trying to state my intelligence over anyone. I acknowledge that iNcontroL was making a joke but I think it was in bad taste aimed at the level of his language. Think of in similar context of people making fun of iNcontroL's level of play.
I'm not condemning iNcontroL he is one of the biggest guys here, and is doing amazing things leading the but for people to listen to his voice, he has to make sure his history isn't stained with silly things such as this.
On March 13 2012 08:57 FreddYCooL wrote: Im not sure about the apology? They did not pay you for 2 months until you went public and now its alright?
And people really need to be more relaxed and chill out.
That's that, he called out eSahara in public about money problem and now that they're solved he apologizes for that. Pretty manner I must say. Hey, Incontrol, what's your 2nd language ?
On March 13 2012 07:35 iNcontroL wrote: NOTE: I got warned for low content so I made sure to include a lot more content in my additional post including my attempt at russian. I appreciate your guys support in trying to make everything as serious as is possible <3 I wouldn't want any jokes on TL either, need to keep this place overly serious and really dire.
It's a sad day when you have to add a sub-note so people didn't get even more butt-hurt.
This what I see everytime someone of note makes a joke comment or topic:
[Incontrol makes a joke during a super serious situation] Poster #1: Outrageous! How dare he say such blasphemy! I've got to do something! Poster #2: Bob, there's nothing you can do. Poster #1: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.
EPT
