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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
March 08 2012 22:07 GMT
#141
On March 09 2012 07:05 Pharnax wrote:
> Calls random people "dumb nigger" and "faggot" on Bnet
> Lies to EG about it
> Lies to Public about it
> Lies about only saying "nigger" once

> Pointing this out is "baseless slander"
> Pointing this out is "illogical"
> Pointing this out makes you a "hater"
> Racism and homophobia is perfectly normal and should be tolerated
> Lying about it is totally excusable and should be tolerated

TL community logic herpdiderp

I love how you cant make a coherent paragraph, so you just list out a bunch of nonsense points with no support in your post to back it up.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:09:39
March 08 2012 22:07 GMT
#142
If he just apologized profusely and admitted he messed up, it would be fine (after a while). But the fact that he tried to cover it up so hard, and failed so many times, it's just terrible. I also think it's outrageous that people are trying to defend his use of the word. Yeah, maybe he didn't mean it specifically in a racist way, but you don't just use n**ger as a casual insult after a frustrating ladder game.

Think about it, has anyone that uses "the N word" so many times in such a serious context (serious meaning that he wasn't just having a laugh about it, he said it in a fit of anger) been widely accepted by the community?

edit: This reminds me of that time Spades called Hwangsin a "gook". The only real difference is that Orb did it several times, with a different word, and he has some fans trying to defend him.
memes are a dish best served dank
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 08 2012 22:07 GMT
#143
On March 09 2012 07:04 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 06:58 Moa wrote:saying nigger is not a good thing to do but it doesn't mean that someone is racist.


and why would that be? any non racist person wouldn't use this word AT ALL and surely not when people are watching. He deserves every bit of hate he gets now and I personally really hope his esports career is over after this. No mercy to racists!


Just wanted to note that the title says "racist bm" not "orb's racist".
Sometimes, words can slip out of your mouth (or finger) and you do not really mean it.
However that does not make this excusable though.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
March 08 2012 22:07 GMT
#144
If you want to have a career in eSports this is not how you should conduct yourself, EVER, your slate doesn't suddenly get wiped clean because you join EG.

Everyone gets mad after losing, but calling someone a "nigger" is something that you should never say so loosely.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:08:18
March 08 2012 22:07 GMT
#145
On March 09 2012 07:05 Pharnax wrote:
> Calls random people "dumb nigger" and "faggot" on Bnet
> Lies to EG about it
> Lies to Public about it
> Lies about only saying "nigger" once

> Pointing this out is "baseless slander"
> Pointing this out is "illogical"
> Pointing this out makes you a "hater"
> Racism and homophobia is perfectly normal and should be tolerated
> Lying about it is totally excusable and should be tolerated

TL community logic herpdiderp



It's sad that so few people actually seem to understand this.
<3 Moonbattles
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
March 08 2012 22:08 GMT
#146
On March 09 2012 07:04 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 06:58 Moa wrote:saying nigger is not a good thing to do but it doesn't mean that someone is racist.


and why would that be? any non racist person wouldn't use this word AT ALL and surely not when people are watching. He deserves every bit of hate he gets now and I personally really hope his esports career is over after this. No mercy to racists!


Sooooo wrong.

I can't walk down the hall at school without hearing the word shouted by whatever 'gangsta' people happen to be hanging around a classroom.

Its not a word you tend to hear during civilized conversation, but its CERTAINLY not used exclusively by racist people.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
March 08 2012 22:08 GMT
#147
who cares? why waste time with this meaningless business?

User was warned for this post
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
March 08 2012 22:08 GMT
#148
On March 09 2012 07:06 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:04 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:02 valaki wrote:
Okay, guys. For someone who doesn't live in the US, can you tell me how it's totally normal for black people to call themselves and even other people niggers, while when white people use the term it becomes a criminal offense? I'm aware the history of black people in America, but doesn't this a bit too hypocrite? Not to mention that only like 2% of SC2's userbase is black (according to a non representative poll in one of the threads back then) so chances that the guy is indeed black and got offended too is...slim. For me, as long as you don't use the word nigger in an offensive conxtext against a black people, it's no worse than faggot or gay or any kind of petty insult. (or you think is an insult)



why is it ok for gay people to make gay jokes? why is it ok for poor people to make jokes about how poor they are but when filthy rich people do it it's discusting, because if you're in the shit, it's ok.




That's what I'm saying. If you want to take this seriously, noone should use this word.


On the other hand, it's a bit easier to be politically correct in the sc2 community than to go out on the streets and beat up people everytime they use the word nigger...
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#149
You said nigger a few times and you lied about it. Orb, you should just stop "defending" yourself and go on, so that we can go on. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
OGzan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States289 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#150
On March 09 2012 07:07 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:05 Pharnax wrote:
> Calls random people "dumb nigger" and "faggot" on Bnet
> Lies to EG about it
> Lies to Public about it
> Lies about only saying "nigger" once

> Pointing this out is "baseless slander"
> Pointing this out is "illogical"
> Pointing this out makes you a "hater"
> Racism and homophobia is perfectly normal and should be tolerated
> Lying about it is totally excusable and should be tolerated

TL community logic herpdiderp

I love how you cant make a coherent paragraph, so you just list out a bunch of nonsense points with no support in your post to back it up.


His post is actually pretty logical and given from the posts from this thread, pretty credible. You can always you know, try to be less of a dick.
(Zan) :: http://www.twitch.tv/byzantiumsc :: Terran Player currently teamless ::
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#151
I don't care about this guy but EG should be able to find a better cater who is not doing retarded stuff like this
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#152
On March 09 2012 07:07 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:04 Tofugrinder wrote:
On March 09 2012 06:58 Moa wrote:saying nigger is not a good thing to do but it doesn't mean that someone is racist.


and why would that be? any non racist person wouldn't use this word AT ALL and surely not when people are watching. He deserves every bit of hate he gets now and I personally really hope his esports career is over after this. No mercy to racists!


Just wanted to note that the title says "racist bm" not "orb's racist".
Sometimes, words can slip out of your mouth (or finger) and you do not really mean it.
However that does not make this excusable though.

yeah sure, the title of the thread is very neutral and doesn't say he's a racist. I, and I guess a few others, are just saying he's a racist.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#153
On March 09 2012 07:06 valaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:04 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:02 valaki wrote:
Okay, guys. For someone who doesn't live in the US, can you tell me how it's totally normal for black people to call themselves and even other people niggers, while when white people use the term it becomes a criminal offense? I'm aware the history of black people in America, but doesn't this a bit too hypocrite? Not to mention that only like 2% of SC2's userbase is black (according to a non representative poll in one of the threads back then) so chances that the guy is indeed black and got offended too is...slim. For me, as long as you don't use the word nigger in an offensive conxtext against a black people, it's no worse than faggot or gay or any kind of petty insult. (or you think is an insult)



why is it ok for gay people to make gay jokes? why is it ok for poor people to make jokes about how poor they are but when filthy rich people do it it's discusting, because if you're in the shit, it's ok.




That's what I'm saying. If you want to take this seriously, noone should use this word.


There's a view that says that the marginalized group is allowed to co-opt the offensive to word so they can give it their meaning and power and the majority group isn't allowed to use it because they already abused it.

So yeah...you're not allowed to get upset when a minority makes a minority joke.
#2throwed
MercilessMonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada150 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:10:05
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#154
On March 09 2012 07:08 latan wrote:
who cares? why waste time with this meaningless business?


Quite obviously a lot of people care, which is it has become such a big issue. Something being meaningless to you doesn't make it meaningless to everyone else.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#155
On March 09 2012 07:05 K3Nyy wrote:
When I first saw him cast a few times, I thought he was one of the best casters. Then I watched his stream a few times and it shocked me that he was so BM. ><" It's really hard to separate the two personalities when you're watching him, especially when he's doing a great job casting.


This is kind of funny since I kind of had the opposite experience. I only knew Orb from when he'd stream in beta and early sc2, where he was just a hilarious BM and mediocre player. Really fun to watch. I had no idea he was even casting till like a couple months ago and I was shocked how... civilized he was acting.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#156
On March 09 2012 07:06 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:04 shabby wrote:
On March 09 2012 06:59 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
On March 09 2012 06:15 BabyGiraldo wrote:
Wow SC2 players are so sensitive... Get on any other console/game and that's completely normal. (If you don't believe me play COD for 5 minutes). It's nice that this is a gm community but jesus this doesn't need it's own thread...



and that's a good thing? why should we accept racism?


Why should we accept attacks on homosexuality? Or attacks on a persons intellect? Or attacks on ones bodily or facial features? You're drawing a line that suits you, racism isnt "worse" than talking smack about anything else you're born with and can't change.


Did I ever say that we should accept attacks on homosexuality or a persons intellect? No I did not, that's clearly not my point and you know it. Way to interpret what im saying in an absurd way.


It was to make a point. When someone calls someone a fag or calls them dumb, or calls them ugly, you shrug it off, no big deal. You don't immediately call it a hatecrime against homosexuals or discriminating against unattractive people. In the same way, saying the n-word doesn't make you a racist either, no matter how much the community wants the drama. It is just acting out because he's angry, and then and there wants to hurt someones feelings. Most likely he doesn't even know his opponents skin color.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
March 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#157
Katu, Orb, IEM drama about the hostel, it is amazing how such a small community as the SC2 fans can create so much drama on so little time. it's like a never-ending influx of Joseph Kony like causes. I'm sure SC2 is going to disappear as an industry. Not only the community is small, but it is so full of itself, uptight and self-righteous, it would be crazy to put any money on it. Tournament organizers and sponsors get burned constantly and must make wonders (SC2 standards for tournaments are several times higher that for any other game) just to satisfy a mere 20 000/40 000 viewers.

No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
March 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#158
On March 09 2012 06:18 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
Racist pig. I find it disgusting how he uses this king of language on the ladder


I REALLY doubt he's racist. This is definitely childish and he never should have lied about it, if that's what happened, especially to his team management. Now for using this language, I think EG did a great job giving him a one-time, stern, warning. What EG does for lying about it, if he did, I think should be more severe. IDK, maybe he didn't think about it coming back to bite him at the time. That's fair. I just hope he didn't lie to his team about it. I wouldn't want to be in his situation either, but don't dig the hole deeper, man.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#159
On March 09 2012 07:07 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:05 Pharnax wrote:
> Calls random people "dumb nigger" and "faggot" on Bnet
> Lies to EG about it
> Lies to Public about it
> Lies about only saying "nigger" once

> Pointing this out is "baseless slander"
> Pointing this out is "illogical"
> Pointing this out makes you a "hater"
> Racism and homophobia is perfectly normal and should be tolerated
> Lying about it is totally excusable and should be tolerated

TL community logic herpdiderp

I love how you cant make a coherent paragraph, so you just list out a bunch of nonsense points with no support in your post to back it up.


Did you actually just post in the thread without reading the OP? The lying and proof that he has said this sort of stuff multiple times is very, very confirmed. He lied to his boss and the entire community. He's toast.
mell0w
Profile Joined September 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:12:07
March 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#160
Orb is a cool guy. We all get heated sometimes and say shit we dont mean. Im not justifying racism, but you all need to hop off the liberal high horse and understand its context, and not the word itself. He wasnt openly coming out and saying he hates africans, it was just empty talk in a heated moment.

Shit talking is part of the competitive spirit. Deal with it.
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