EPTOrb, racist remarks on ladder and personal stream - Page 9
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OGzan
United States289 Posts
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achristes
Norway653 Posts
IDK about Destiny though, he brings in a lot of viewers (~2500) almost every time he streams, and un-featuring could MAYBE (please note this word) have minor backlash at TL. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:04 ToD wrote: geting mad after a game is standard, the n word shouldnt be used ever "the n word". It's not like we are in 2012. Racism will exist as long we behave like there is a boundary. I am white, he is black and the other one is yellow. We are all people. Saying a fact about a skin color shouldn't be taken as an insult even if it's addressed like one. Would you get mad if I called you "You mammal"? | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Oh no wait, it's out of context in rap/hiphop. Wasn't it here??? | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
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Dingodile
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:10 ReturnStroke wrote: I REALLY doubt he's racist. This is definitely childish and he never should have lied about it, if that's what happened, especially to his team management. Now for using this language, I think EG did a great job giving him a one-time, stern, warning. What EG does for lying about it, if he did, I think should be more severe. IDK, maybe he didn't think about it coming back to bite him at the time. That's fair. I just hope he didn't lie to his team about it. I wouldn't want to be in his situation either, but don't dig the hole deeper, man. You know that using racial slurs is like...the modus operandi of a racist right? If it talks like a racist it's probably a racist. Especially since it seems like non racists manage to make it through the day without using those words. I find this site very humorous and helpful. And you can submit your own questions if you're not sure! http://yoisthisracist.com/ Has anyone ever heard of the BET litmus test for racism? | ||
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keioh
France1099 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:05 Pharnax wrote: > Calls random people "dumb nigger" and "faggot" on Bnet > Lies to EG about it > Lies to Public about it > Lies about only saying "nigger" once > Pointing this out is "baseless slander" > Pointing this out is "illogical" > Pointing this out makes you a "hater" > Racism and homophobia is perfectly normal and should be tolerated > Lying about it is totally excusable and should be tolerated TL community logic herpdiderp User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. OOOOh I was THAT close to answer with some >implying there ever was logic on teh intarwebz but the Fate has protect me to post such simple post. So I'll argue the following : orb (seemingly) used prohibited (reasons are not the point here) words in a private game. In public apparition it seems he never uses the power of rage or of non politically correct insults. This is what matters. Because you have the right to be what you want in your private sphere. If he is reported to Blizz, then he'll face the consequence (which shall never be the same again). I personnally don't give a damn about those words he said in a game where he raged. I do think his stream his rated M for mature (language at least) and as long as he stay "professional" on public streamage, there is no problem there. /rant | ||
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Gecko4lif
United States42 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:11 Psychobabas wrote: Oh no, Orb said "nigger". I'm definately losing sleep over this. Right after I figure out how to convince hiphop singers (including non-blacks) who enjoy throwing the word in half their sentences. Oh no wait, it's out of context in rap/hiphop. Wasn't it here??? Clearly a stiff white guy ^ | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
Instead, there are a bunch of posts that are like "What? Why is it bad to be racist?" and we have to have a huge debate over whether it's actually bad. It's bad. The fact that a bunch of other people do it online doesn't make it any better. You should be happy that the Starcraft community is big and broad enough to include people who have a problem with it. | ||
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KingOfAmerica
United States246 Posts
This behavior is completely unacceptable in any social setting. Doesn't mean Orb is a racist, or bad person. But it does mean he is someone I don't want to associate with, and it does mean he has some personality issues to work through. People defending this as "its just ladder it happens" need to take their heads out of the sand. Rationalize your own BM how ever you want, but socially healthy people don't behave like this in any setting. And now that he is a professional, the "personal stream" defense is completely out of play. This is the real world, learn to live in it and accept consequences. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:10 legaton wrote: Katu, Orb, IEM drama about the hostel, it is amazing how such a small community as the SC2 fans can create so much drama on so little time. it's like a never-ending influx of Joseph Kony like causes. I'm sure SC2 is going to disappear as an industry. Not only the community is small, but it is so full of itself, uptight and self-righteous, it would be crazy to put any money on it. Tournament organizers and sponsors get burned constantly and must make wonders (SC2 standards for tournaments are several times higher that for any other game) just to satisfy a mere 20 000/40 000 viewers. IEM drama? Do you call anyone talking about anything drama? It was just players saying they had small hotel rooms. No drama. I'd rather have a community full of people who actually care when public figures start spewing out words like nigger and faggot while streaming to the public than a community of people who dont care at all. Plus if you think there are only 20,000 viewers you are pretty oblivious. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:11 Psychobabas wrote: Oh no, Orb said "nigger". I'm definately losing sleep over this. Right after I figure out how to convince hiphop singers (including non-blacks) to stop throwing the word in half their sentences. Oh no wait, it's out of context in rap/hiphop. Wasn't it here??? Exactly, these hip-hop singers use these words all the time and its SO much bigger then esports, maybe we should take a page out of their book. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:11 ceaRshaf wrote: "the n word". It's not like we are in 2012. Racism will exist as long we behave like there is a boundary. I am white, he is black and the other one is yellow. We are all people. Saying a fact about a skin color shouldn't be taken as an insult even if it's addressed like one. Would you get mad if I called you "You mammal"? If mammal were derogatory, yes. What a strange argument. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
and many EG members on record use these racial slurs. Huk does often lets get mad guys! | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Are you racist? The correct word is Euro-Caucasian.  | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On March 09 2012 07:11 HorsemasterK wrote: I hear orb swore at someone at a bar, is that revelant to this discussion? Please don't post without reading the OP. It clutters the thread. If you actually read the OP, you'd notice that this wasn't a single, isolated incident where Orb was not streaming. In fact, it has been shown that he's done this while streaming as well. This was proven *after* Orb lied to both Alex Garfield and the community, saying this was the only time he'd used racial slurs. So Orb does not only do this in private, which your post implies. He also lied to EG about the incident. | ||
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