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On March 09 2012 07:03 Shinespark wrote:
I had no idea Orb was so BM, every time I've seen him cast he has conducted himself properly. I have to say I find his BM... hilarious.
I've seen him stream a few times, and he definitely composes himself in a professional manner when he does Korean Weeklys and NASL stuff, and in the end, thats what REALLY matters, right?
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I think, just the same with Katu, Orb needs to be given a second chance, TT1, dragon, etc. they are all outcasted, but that doesn't make it right at all. They need to be rehabilitated and not cast away as part of the past. Destiny routinely says the N word and no one has given him shit about it yet, well there was one thread but i wouldn't call that shit. This double standard needs to end.
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On March 09 2012 06:55 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:51 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 06:21 Legend` wrote:
would care but like you said, more than one featured streamer uses the word If that's true then TL needs to examine it's standard for featured streamers. But other people's poor behavior does not excuse Orb's. I agree, all swearing should now be banned or fined with a £100 per swear penalty. Esports needs to clean up it's act if it's to be recognized how dare people express their anger through words.
You're absolutely correct. Public figures within the SC2 community should be allowed to say "Nigger" and call people "faggots" while proclaiming that they do illegal drugs as much as they want. We should all just stfu because it's no big deal.
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On March 09 2012 06:58 Moa wrote:saying nigger is not a good thing to do but it doesn't mean that someone is racist.
and why would that be? any non racist person wouldn't use this word AT ALL and surely not when people are watching. He deserves every bit of hate he gets now and I personally really hope his esports career is over after this. No mercy to racists!
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On March 09 2012 07:02 valaki wrote:
Okay, guys. For someone who doesn't live in the US, can you tell me how it's totally normal for black people to call themselves and even other people niggers, while when white people use the term it becomes a criminal offense? I'm aware the history of black people in America, but doesn't this a bit too hypocrite? Not to mention that only like 2% of SC2's userbase is black (according to a non representative poll in one of the threads back then) so chances that the guy is indeed black and got offended too is...slim. For me, as long as you don't use the word nigger in an offensive conxtext against a black people, it's no worse than faggot or gay or any kind of petty insult. (or you think is an insult)
Ehh. Faggot is a pretty harsh insult to use. I have no respect for anyone that uses that word, even if it's just joking around.
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On March 09 2012 07:03 ImbaTosS wrote:
Why do people think that because it's normal, it's acceptable? How can a man who is clearly incredibly rude, unsportsmanlike and frankly downright horrible to people on ladder, be a face of the community or respected by anybody?
Ever see Artosis rage?
Not saying he was as offensive, but he's awesomely BM.
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> Calls random people "dumb nigger" and "faggot" on Bnet
> Lies to EG about it
> Lies to Public about it
> Lies about only saying "nigger" once
> Pointing this out is "baseless slander"
> Pointing this out is "illogical"
> Pointing this out makes you a "hater"
> Racism and homophobia is perfectly normal and should be tolerated
> Lying about it is totally excusable and should be tolerated
TL community logic herpdiderp
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Couldn't care less, all of this drama can stay in Reddit as far as I'm concerned.
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When I first saw him cast a few times, I thought he was one of the best casters. Then I watched his stream a few times and it shocked me that he was so BM. ><" It's really hard to separate the two personalities when you're watching him, especially when he's doing a great job casting.
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I don't think it's a very big deal, and it's up to whomever employs him or w.e (EG?) to deal out some kind of disciplinary action.
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Yeah...he should stop doing that...like it or not, he's becoming a fixture in the community with the amount of casting work he does. He's an idiot. First, for throwing around racial slurs in ladder games, and second, for covering it up so fucking poorly.
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Fake. I would see it at least once while watching his stream for a year.
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Please keep r/Starcraft out of TeamLiquid. Ugh.
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On March 09 2012 07:04 shabby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:59 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On March 09 2012 06:15 BabyGiraldo wrote:
Wow SC2 players are so sensitive... Get on any other console/game and that's completely normal. (If you don't believe me play COD for 5 minutes). It's nice that this is a gm community but jesus this doesn't need it's own thread... and that's a good thing? why should we accept racism? Why should we accept attacks on homosexuality? Or attacks on a persons intellect? Or attacks on ones bodily or facial features? You're drawing a line that suits you, racism isnt "worse" than talking smack about anything else you're born with and can't change.
Did I ever say that we should accept attacks on homosexuality or a persons intellect? No I did not, that's clearly not my point and you know it. Way to interpret what im saying in an absurd way.
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Imagine if an athlete from a different sport/profession said something like "fuck you nigger." even if it was in his personal time and people found out it would be a big deal. I don't understand the people who are trying to defend this. I'm not saying he should get fired or anything but it shouldn't be a thing where people are like "HES NOT RACIST SO SAYING NIGGER DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING." It shouldn't go without some sort of disciplinary action from EG in my opinion.
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Vulgarity can be fun in moderation when not in a professional environment. Bad manner can be ok in non pro games. We should never be fine with racism or sexism though, especially from someone who represents the community. And weather the community or he thinks of himself as such does not matter when he is the face of an official event.
I can't comment on Orb himself since I have not watched allot of his content, he seems to be doing ok at the EGMC event.
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On March 09 2012 07:04 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:02 valaki wrote:
Okay, guys. For someone who doesn't live in the US, can you tell me how it's totally normal for black people to call themselves and even other people niggers, while when white people use the term it becomes a criminal offense? I'm aware the history of black people in America, but doesn't this a bit too hypocrite? Not to mention that only like 2% of SC2's userbase is black (according to a non representative poll in one of the threads back then) so chances that the guy is indeed black and got offended too is...slim. For me, as long as you don't use the word nigger in an offensive conxtext against a black people, it's no worse than faggot or gay or any kind of petty insult. (or you think is an insult) why is it ok for gay people to make gay jokes? why is it ok for poor people to make jokes about how poor they are but when filthy rich people do it it's discusting, because if you're in the shit, it's ok.
That's what I'm saying. If you want to take this seriously, noone should use this word.
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On March 09 2012 07:04 docvoc wrote:
I think, just the same with Katu, Orb needs to be given a second chance, TT1, dragon, etc. they are all outcasted, but that doesn't make it right at all. They need to be rehabilitated and not cast away as part of the past. Destiny routinely says the N word and no one has given him shit about it yet, well there was one thread but i wouldn't call that shit. This double standard needs to end.
I agree that the double standard needs to end. Lets get rid of Destiny too.
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On March 09 2012 06:59 FlamingTurd wrote:
Is this thread for real? Great attempt at creating drama - not. People rage and act like complete idiots all the time. How does this affect you IRL? Stop creating drama.
Personally, after defeating 1 of the current pros (whom I will leave nameless) I received tons of $hit talking after the game. Did I screen shot it and take it to TL to say how bad of a person they are? Of course not. That's completely pointless.
Did he use downright hateful and offensive speech? If so, that shit should be known.
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Yeah, -orb- is kind of a dick...
But we all knew that from a long time ago, right? If he can keep his composure during casts then it doesn't bother me at all. Sorry. ;/
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