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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
chestnutcc
Profile Joined July 2011
India429 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#941
I thought it was well known that white boys, and especially little white boys, are not permitted to use the n word under any circumstances.

Regardless of whether you think the word has lost its racist connotation or not, the simple fact is that on the net, the offending party has no way of knowing whether the person he's addressing is black or not, and if they are indeed black, this is a grave offense.
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#942
After reading all the reddit threads and stuff.. I bid orb's career farewell.

Acting like a prepubescent pre-tween while hosting several community shows AND being under the EG tag doesn't seem wise to me.

You do not deserve to be in such a wonderful community. cy@
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#943
On March 09 2012 09:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:27 sam!zdat wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
If you want to persecute every single person who's ever used an inflammatory comment on their stream, or while being played on someone else's stream, or on TeamLiquid I think you'll find yourself left with no foreign scene whatsoever.

Honestly, some crimes aren't worth persecuting. Look at Wal-Mart and CVS, they lose millions a year in petty theft, but they'd lose even more if they persecuted everyone who steals a pack of gum.


It's not persecution.

The criminal is irrelevant; the crime is important. Your analogy is stupid.

.....calling someone a "nigger" or a "faggot" isn't a crime.


Firing someone because they said those things isn't either. IdrA plays for EG and promotes sponsors all the time, all Orb has is his professionalism as a caster, if he's caught on multiple occasions not being professional, he loses all his worth to EG, and thus they can fire him all they'd like.
Hey! How you doin'?
Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#944
On March 09 2012 09:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:19 Razuik wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:12 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Just for the fun of it, I went to the search function on TeamLiquid and used these parameters:

Search Content: faggot
Search: Content Only
Username: IdrA

got something like 23 results from 22 threads.

If Orb DOES get fired, they better justify it via the "lying to management" part, and not the content part.

I'll even go as far as to quote IdrA here.

On February 10 2007 02:18 IdrA wrote:
common useage has basically made fag interchangeable with any other standard insult, 99% of the time a person using it that way has no homosexual-related intentions, its no different than any other insult except it pisses overly sensitive people off a bit more once in a while.


Nobody cares if you say "faggot" anymore. This shouldn't have even been drama in the first place, and I personally don't think Orb should have even had the chance to lie about this to someone.

Keep doing a great job of ruining great casters' opportunities Reddit. I vote you go for DJWheat next, he seems like a nice guy.

The last line is the most interesting part. You think reddit logged on to his account and said all of these things? No, he did. People should always receive the consequences for the things that they did.. Do you disagree with a statement like that?

Yeah, I do.

If you want to persecute every single person who's ever used an inflammatory comment on their stream, or while being played on someone else's stream, or on TeamLiquid I think you'll find yourself left with no foreign scene whatsoever.

Honestly, some crimes aren't worth persecuting. Look at Wal-Mart and CVS, they lose millions a year in petty theft, but they'd lose even more if they persecuted everyone who steals a pack of gum.

If walmart made a staunch example out of a particularly notorious gum thief, there would be less people who would want to steal gum as a whole.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#945
On March 09 2012 09:32 Dfgj wrote:
Ladder BM is news now?


Ladder BM isn't. However, being stupid enough to use racist words (even if his intent wasn't racist) when he is supposedly a professional caster can be. Then add to it that he lied about it and used other professionals in his community to try and excuse his behavior makes it worse.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#946
On March 09 2012 09:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:27 sam!zdat wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
If you want to persecute every single person who's ever used an inflammatory comment on their stream, or while being played on someone else's stream, or on TeamLiquid I think you'll find yourself left with no foreign scene whatsoever.

Honestly, some crimes aren't worth persecuting. Look at Wal-Mart and CVS, they lose millions a year in petty theft, but they'd lose even more if they persecuted everyone who steals a pack of gum.


It's not persecution.

The criminal is irrelevant; the crime is important. Your analogy is stupid.

.....calling someone a "nigger" or a "faggot" isn't a crime.

hate crimes.... it will get you a longer sentence if said during the commission of another crime. by itself, i do not know if its a crime. dont think so.
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#947
On March 09 2012 09:30 Vysage wrote:
It's so easy to say you're offended. What people NEVER try to do is to try to not be offended by things. Literally will make you a better person and let you enjoy things you wouldn't normally enjoy otherwise. Personally, if it was me, it would be much easier to just not be offended by anything than to complain about how something offended me. I understand people don't think that way, but maybe they should, because they'd be a lot more productive.

Instead of jumping on bandwagons, maybe try and consider adapting yourselves to "offensive words." Seriously think about a world where no "bad words" exist. All it takes is to tell yourself "I'm not offended by that; that word means nothing significant." So many problems could be saved from this, but people don't think that way ever.

Everyone talking about this hurting esports? You're hurting esports by starting this discussion. You're hurting esports by not watching orb anymore. You're hurting esports by completely trashing a guy who is exceptional at his job.


Dont need to say more than that.
chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
March 09 2012 00:35 GMT
#948
This thread is so sad, the amount of people saying using the N-word is "no big deal", and "no cares about saying the N-word anymore". I'd like to see your punk white ass walk around the streets of Baltimore calling people niggers and see if it's no big deal.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 09 2012 00:36 GMT
#949
Reddit sure has a alot of time on its hands (as if we didnt know that already). I find it difficult to care, maybe Im thick skinned. I never BM, and ill troll here and there if someone rages at me for a line or 2 but thats as far as its gotten. Unneccessary witch hunt. As for EG, well their just doing what they are supposed to, they probably think its a silly situation to. Itll be sad if this messed it up for him.
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
March 09 2012 00:36 GMT
#950
Its pretty obvious that orb doesn't think that the people he is playing against are homosexual african americans. Anyways, I find these sort of threads hilarious. Oh man, the esports community.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
March 09 2012 00:36 GMT
#951
I really wish this stupid stuff would stay on reddit. If it's already on reddit, then discuss it there, why do you need to discuss it in two places?

So someone I've never heard of used bad words in a game... Sorry I can't bring myself to care, either about this person, or the words, or the future of "esports."

There is enough drama in real life, just enjoy the game. Well, I guess some people don't have real drama in their lives, so they have to drum some up online. 45 pages wow...
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
March 09 2012 00:36 GMT
#952
On March 09 2012 09:34 Lord_J wrote:
That's a bit immature, but is there really any need to make a federal case out of it? Get some perspective, people.

If he had called those people assholes it would have been a bit immature. He called them niggers, so it's blatantly racist.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 09 2012 00:36 GMT
#953
Did Alex Garfield say anything yet?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
March 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#954
On March 09 2012 09:35 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
After reading all the reddit threads and stuff.. I bid orb's career farewell.

Acting like a prepubescent pre-tween while hosting several community shows AND being under the EG tag doesn't seem wise to me.

You do not deserve to be in such a wonderful community. cy@


He didn't say this under the EG tag. Shouldn't this "wonderful community" know facts like that before they decide to make a man lose his job and potentially career?
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
March 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#955
Really, really unprofessional, especially the flat out lying. I'm not sure if formal reprimands are necessary; the hit to his reputation and viewership is probably punishment enough. On the other hand, it's pretty surprising to me how many people are defending him. If a public figure in any other context said these things, the backlash would be extremely severe. Being on the internet should not give someone a free ticket to act like a complete racist jackass with no consequences.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
March 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#956
On March 09 2012 09:35 VirgilSC2 wrote:
It's OK guys,

If orb does get fired from EG, I'll see if he's interested in working for me at the EWM, he can co-cast with Katu that way.

I just snorted some water up my nose, hahaha.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
March 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#957
On March 09 2012 09:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:23 Kich wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:16 sam!zdat wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:12 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I'll even go as far as to quote IdrA here.


So your go-to guy on the philosophy of language is idra?

I happened to have found that quote when I hit the search button, and thought it was extremely appropriate for my stance on the matter, especially since this concerns Evil Geniuses.

I suspect Orb will be getting fired for lying to EG management about this, but should they fire him for his use of offensive language in the past, in his private life, I certainly will find that very extreme, and completely two faced. That's all.


Really, that quote from February 2007, 5 years ago, before Idra was even a member of Evil Geniuses. Super relevant.

The quote from IdrA was to demonstrate the colloquial use of the term "faggot" which, frankly was relevant in 2007, and is relevant now.


And now the colloquial use of 'nigger' and you got a case i think. Double standards, agreed on exhibit F, now the double ones on exhibit N and we'll dismiss the case :p

But seriously, everybody knows by logic that different words have different meanings, different insults have different impact and as far as racial slurs go.. I don't think i've seen Idra (your example) ever using a racial slur. Could be wrong tho in which case there is a double standard present.
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gosu86
Profile Joined June 2011
208 Posts
March 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#958
this guy is terrible
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 00:39:12
March 09 2012 00:38 GMT
#959
Is orb that nerdy guy that occassionally casts with Gretorp on NASL? My opinion of sc2 players continues to drop... raging over a computer game is ridiculous in itself, but using such a hateful language over a game? i don't know what to say...

Not sure what's worse, orb's behavior or all of the other immature sc2ers/keyboard warriors that defend his behavior because they do the same thing.

I just hope these tommy toughnuts defending orb have manners in real life because if you get upset and drop the n-word in a bar, you could get attacked or even shot.

Athroix
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 00:43:52
March 09 2012 00:38 GMT
#960
Completely lost respect for Orb now.
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