EPTOrb, racist remarks on ladder and personal stream - Page 43
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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations. | ||
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 sam!zdat wrote: So your go-to guy on the philosophy of language is idra? Gonna go out on a limb here and say you have no idea what the philosophy of language is. | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:15 compucomp wrote: I don't think IdrA has called anyone a nigger, ever. That's judged by society (fairly or not) to be much worse. He knows not to cross that line, but orb did. So, according to you, being homophobic is ok. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:18 ZTZS wrote: its funny how many TLers think "nigger" is acceptable. what if orb called him a slanty eyed chink? or a greasy ass spic? just because you arent black you miss the point completely. also, i always knew orb was KKK I get called chink every day... People get so butthurt over words these days | ||
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Razuik
United States409 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:12 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just for the fun of it, I went to the search function on TeamLiquid and used these parameters: Search Content: faggot Search: Content Only Username: IdrA got something like 23 results from 22 threads. If Orb DOES get fired, they better justify it via the "lying to management" part, and not the content part. I'll even go as far as to quote IdrA here. Nobody cares if you say "faggot" anymore. This shouldn't have even been drama in the first place, and I personally don't think Orb should have even had the chance to lie about this to someone. Keep doing a great job of ruining great casters' opportunities Reddit. I vote you go for DJWheat next, he seems like a nice guy. The last line is the most interesting part. You think reddit logged on to his account and said all of these things? No, he did. People should always receive the consequences for the things that they did.. Do you disagree with a statement like that? | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:17 Rorschach wrote: For the love of god please close this thread! What are the people who are calling for this thread to be closed really afraid of? My guess is it's that they're afraid they might have to actually examine the way they use language themselves and not just go around the world like idiot children repeating any inanity that comes in through their ear-holes. | ||
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Brandish
United States339 Posts
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On March 09 2012 08:42 Dental Floss wrote: How old are you? This is a serious question, and I'm not trying to be condescending. It's quite disheartening when you look at the youth today. I can say at least for Sweden a lot of young kids have this trivial and respect-less attitude when it comes to racial slurs. I can't say for certain where it originates but one can at least try to guess. A conjecture, if you will, would be that it arises in racist households where the parents of these children liberally use such language in a derogatory and dominant fashion. Youth these days really have no clue about the history and why it is so sensitive when you compare it to the usual personal attack (like asshole, etc.). Then this language finds its way into schools and you can imagine the rest. I sometimes watch a friend of mine play HoN or LoL (the popular game here in Sweden) and the level of racial slurs is absurd and frankly disgusting. When people don't reprimand them for the behavior it enables others to join in. It's not socially acceptable behavior in any circumstance or context. The only people who think such behavior is excusable are most likely part of this group. Also the issue that somehow BM (bad manner, I feel like people forget what it actually stands for) is also something that is casual and OK because it's the internet falls into this category. Being BM already gives a negative reputation and gives a good indication what sort of person they are. There are a lot of players out there who are the exemplars of what a pro-gamer should be like; professionals like Sheth and White-Ra come to mind immediately. Also if you look at the Korean scene it is very clear that they have standards and stick to them. It's players and organizations like these who uphold these standards that help to spread e-sports around the world. If you truly care about e-sports then it becomes quite evident why such disgraceful behavior has to be rooted out. Anything less and e-sports will continue to be viewed as "for kids" or not serious. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:18 Shiori wrote: Gonna go out on a limb here and say you have no idea what the philosophy of language is. Actually, I've studied the philosophy of language somewhat extensively. My main field is theory, but I also have some background in the analytic tradition. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
I mean, you see these kinds of insults so often in the gaming community and claiming that orb is racist because he says nigger is jumping to conclusions. Just because he uses the word does not mean he means it in racist terms. It's a stupid conclusion. But this is a moot point. The main thing is he raged. Disappointing, certainly. To get all up in arms over when you see this often (especially when you have known ragers like Idra)? Overblown. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:18 give.ViviD wrote: The thing isnt that he said the n-word, its that he blatantly lied countless times, tried to cover it up, made excuses for SOME of the occasions but not all, and that he tried to put other profiles in the SC2 community in a bad light (Totalbiscuit) Not that i care personally but as an employer that's definitely enough to fire someone. | ||
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
He must have been really scared to try and cover it up, because its a bit uncharacteristic of him to not just say, "Back off, I'm not racist I just let it slip/bm sometimes." | ||
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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scarper65
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
EG already said it themselves: "We at EG are all going to believe him, but have told him that if we find out that this is not the case, your story does not flush, and this is your behaviour and you continue to act this way, then you will be very, very quickly removed from our world." Trying to cry foul or doublestandards mean NOTHING when EG has already given their stance on the matter. | ||
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Vandalman
United States66 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 NuclearJudas wrote: So he made a bad remark on ladder, who the fuck cares? Seriously, it's not like he called MMA a faggot for using Terran during a cast. Sure, it's not really appropriate behaviour, but he was playing on his own time. What's the big deal here? The big deal is that he lied to the community and to EG, which then backed him. The community and EG then found out he lied and everything blew up. He should have just been honest and it would have been a lot easier for EG to not get as invovled as they will have to now. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:10 Vysage wrote: Uh, when orb is at home playing ladder games, that's his personal life. Nothing of that should be connected to his work. If you don't want to see him enjoying his free time, don't hunt him down, don't watch his stream. This made me lol. As for the first bit, when you are an adult and have a job, you have responsibilities. Some of these responsibilities are to be an adult, others are to understand that you represent someone and anything you do is now associated with them and vice versa. Rage is fine - look at Idra - but is cussing and racism ok? Well that is up to EG to decide. As it is, EG needs to find out if Orb did this or if his friend did it. If Orb did it, then they have to decide if it is worth penalizing him over. Personally if Orb did it, I think he ought to be fired to being such a pussy about it (I mean this kind of thing reminds me of situations where you accidentally cussed in elementary school, then when someone tells the teacher and then you're all like "oh no no no, it was a MISUNDERSTANDING, I didn't actually say fuck you I said SILLY you" and of course the teacher gives you the benefit of the doubt (even though she knows) because you've no doubt learned your lesson as you almost shit yourself), but the act itself isn't worth any punishment in my eyes as it's not that big of a deal - tell him not to use those words and a slap on the wrist. But sadly it's already escalated into a whole incident and frankly, I don't care how it turns out. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 sam!zdat wrote: So your go-to guy on the philosophy of language is idra? I happened to have found that quote when I hit the search button, and thought it was extremely appropriate for my stance on the matter, especially since this concerns Evil Geniuses. I suspect Orb will be getting fired for lying to EG management about this, but should they fire him for his use of offensive language in the past, in his private life, I certainly will find that very extreme, and completely two faced. That's all. | ||
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Hexxed
United States202 Posts
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