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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:12 Whatson wrote: Vysage, you get it. Thank you so freaking much. People aren't forced to watch his stream or hear his casts. That's not how the world works, buddy. You can get fired for all sorts of shit not work related at all if people find out in many jobs. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:12 Whatson wrote: Vysage, you get it. Thank you so freaking much. People aren't forced to watch his stream or hear his casts. God ur dumb...imagine Day9 saying the N word...AT ALL!!!! Please learn what being a professional is before u type anything....an NFL player would get kicked off a team if he publicly said the N word | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:12 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'll even go as far as to quote IdrA here. So your go-to guy on the philosophy of language is idra? | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:15 SovSov wrote: Take Person A: He doesn't say anything. Person B: Uses the word nigger. Who is it safer to assume is racist? Are people retarded for thinking Person B is racist? I would think him using that word ups his chance for being an actual racist. So I fail to see how people are retarded who assuming he is racist when he uses a word associated with racism. You don't get it man, these people knowwwww he's not racist, they KNOW it man! | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On March 09 2012 08:43 Blargh wrote: @ anyone that believes that it might hurt EG for keeping Orb. You must also consider the amount of people who will think EG is stupid if they kick Orb out. Which I imagine is a fairly considerable amount seeing as how there is this much discussion and debate over this. What if SlayerS boot Cella for getting totally fucking wasted and going on stream and saying all sorts of shit? I'm pretty sure that's stupid. How many people are going to stop liking the team SlayerS because Cella did stupid things while drunk? It is the exact same thing as with Orb. No one is going to not watch EGMC or dislike EG any for having Orb after these events. That's absurd. After all, Orb is infinitely better at casting than any main casters. He's also not nearly as obnoxious. The idiocy that ensues after any silly minor event is simply outrageous and depressing. I don't know what benefit Orb provides that makes him better than other casters for EG, but his racism and rage and BM makes him uniquely bad for the job he currently has. | ||
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Ressonance
Brazil14 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:14 suspiciousbear wrote: I hope he doesn't get fired for being an asshat in his personal life, which is what I view his playing ladder games as. Watching the EGMCSL, he's a really good caster. I've enjoyed his work, he's not crazy racist or anything there, and I think that a simple apology should be enough. I hope EG doesn't get enough negative PR that they feel like they need to fire him for this. It sucks that he lied, but he paniced, he loves what he does and didn't want to lose that. I don't condone his actions, but I don't condone this fucking witch hunt either. Playing ladder games in smurf accounts is personal life. When you stream it it's not personal anymore, lol. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
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CounterOrder
Canada457 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Its funny when they kick him out of Eg like 1 week after signing him | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 sam!zdat wrote: So your go-to guy on the philosophy of language is idra? No, he's saying that if they keep IdrA but fire Orb for language, that's double standards. | ||
Rorschach
United States623 Posts
For the love of god please close this thread! | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 sam!zdat wrote: So your go-to guy on the philosophy of language is idra? If EG lets IdrA use words like fag publicly but fires Orb for this then there's double standards. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 HuKPOWA wrote: God ur dumb...imagine Day9 saying the N word...AT ALL!!!! Please learn what being a professional is before u type anything....an NFL player would get kicked off a team if he publicly said the N word LOL nigger barely means anything anymore, just like being called a chink is just like being called "idiot" or "asshole" these days. So when all the NFL players start cussing in private interviews and shit, they don't get fired... | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On March 09 2012 08:57 figq wrote: Playing games on ladder is a personal matter, not a public matter, and should not be in any way related to what you do in your esports professional activities, because it's not a professional activity in itself. Obviously Orb is nether racist, nor homophobic, he just reaches for whatever derogatory word comes to mind when he wants to offend a stranger on the ladder. The further accusation of him "trying to cover it up", I have no idea if it's true, but seriously if it was true - it's also not that shocking. Orb has a history of being very vulnerable to personal accusations, to the point that he really becomes extremely defensive and loses his calm. Above all, Orb is the best single (non-tandem) SC2 caster in the world; his style of casting is very polished and professional, his understanding of the game and in-depth analysis is at the level of only Artosis and active progamers. He is a very intelligent person, with the odd flip-side that he can be verbally offensive on ladder. That part about him is not new, he's always been famous about it, and people have been teasing him about it since beta. It complements perfectly his otherwise highly professional behavior, and frankly is just a personal matter of his, and shouldn't be for the public to control. This is patently untrue. It's not a personal matter. If you rape a goat in the middle of the street how is that in any way shape or form just your personal business? He did it in a public forum, he streamed it so that people could see it. Objectively speaking, using the word nigger as a derogatory term is considered highly inappropriate. He's probably not racist, he's probably not a homophobic person either, though quite frankly I've never met someone who regularly uses the word nigger or faggot who didn't have an incredibly, inherent, guttural, instinctual distaste for both of the groups they're referring to. The problem is that when the derogatory word that comes to mind is nigger, or faggot, it shows a certain level of immaturity and uselessness. Maybe I'm some super human holy shit impossible to tilt person, but even at my highest peaks of anger most of it is pointed towards myself, my tools, my cards, my mouse, but never the other person. It's not their fault I lost to begin with. I swear a lot for sure, but almost exclusively never towards another person and I sure as shit have, genuinely, in my entire life ever angrily called someone a faggot or a nigger. Even in my deepest fits of rage it's very easy to choose other words. For sure, there is a lot of stupidity in this thread revolving around what's going wrong. But ignoring the parties involved, I find it highly suspect that anyone would claim that using nigger as a derogatory word is an acceptable thing. Note that there's a difference between accepted and acceptable. It's widely accepted because people have become desensitized to the 14 year olds on Xbox Live (or, counter-strike 1.6 days) shouting the words in their prepubescent rage, but it shouldn't be accepted by any community that claims to be even remotely intelligent or civilized. It's not about some utopian nice-guy attitude that everyone should have (which, granted, they should. It's not like it's hard to not get mad at things, it's actually kind of hard to get mad in the first place if you have any semblance of self-control). | ||
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ZTZS
4 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:15 pepsimaxibon wrote: if he hadn't so transparently used indignant accusations of "slander" to play everyone like a pack of gullible morons, this thread would never have existed. This is true. | ||
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Ressonance
Brazil14 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:17 Rorschach wrote: For everyone jumping on the bandwagon and saying he should lose his job over this YOU are killing esports, not the casters or what they say or do with their personal time.... For the love of god please close this thread! How the fuck is streaming his personal life? geez... | ||
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kalteras
United States72 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:16 NuclearJudas wrote: So he made a bad remark on ladder, who the fuck cares? Seriously, it's not like he called MMA a faggot for using Terran during a cast. Sure, it's not really appropriate behaviour, but he was playing on his own time. What's the big deal here? The big deal is that he represents a team even on his own time. Tiger woods didn't bang a hooker on the golf course but his sponsors still dropped him because of the terrible press he was bringing in. | ||
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