The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
On March 09 2012 08:04 CodECleaR wrote: It's okay for Destiny to say stuff like this but not Orb? Community bias much? I can understand how diff. organizations would reprimand each Destiny/orb differently, but the community is so blatantly biased it's almost funny.
It is not about what he said, it's about the fact he tried to act like it didn't happen/it was someone else.
He tried to 'act' like it didn't happen/it was someone else for the 1st screen shot. How can you proclaim it as acting if you yourself don't know it was him in the first screen cap? And if he was 'acting', he has come out and apologized for the incident. Why is he still being punished?
On March 09 2012 07:56 Gator wrote: why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me.
It isn't about ruining his life its about sending a message that this community will not stand for racism or homophobia. We will not tolerate it.
Cursing and calling people words is not being racist or homophobic. These are just common curse words people use here and there, it doesn't automatically mean you're a racist. (you CAN be ofc but it doesn't prove it.)
The obvious lying is the problem here for me.
calling someone a dumb nigger...that's a common curse word? I don't know....but to me I'd think "fuck" or "shit" (both dont have anything to do with race btw) are my go-to words when raging.
My god, nigger is used everywhere from rap songs to the local minimart. Take it easy. Orb fucked up for not apologizing straight away, but give the kid a break, he panicked and reacted badly.
Honestly, this community is so dramatic over every single thing. Jessica tweets something? omg 100 posts 20 page thread is needed. Do you guys have nothing better to discuss than attacking people relentlessly? What is destroying orb's reputation going to do for esports? Nothing at all.
Funny how EG didn't even consider punishing Idra when he said "fuck you" to his opponent in IPL2, but now are probably going to give orb the boot for doing this in ladder matches. Certainly what orb said is worse than what Idra said, but if orb's statement warrants severe punishment, shouldn't Idra's statement have warranted some punishment? Guess EG is following the money trail there...
Not that this post won't get buried in a matter of seconds lol...
On March 09 2012 07:57 MonkSEA wrote: This is all blown out of proportion.
E-sports needs this shit to go away for it to be legit? Let me tell you my friends, A LOT of this shit goes down in sports. The only reason most people don't hear about it is because NOBODY CARES. Are you saying football isn't legit now because they get into bar fights and use racial slurs and sexist remarks all the time?
This isn't about legitimacy of E-sports, this is just everyone blowing on soup that is already cold. You say that this behaviour is hurting E-sports, so how about we do what other sports do and just ignore what goes on outside of televised games? All this retarded drama you juvenile kids bring up is what is hurting SC2. When he says that shit on something that isn't his own personal stream or ladder games then you can jump on his balls and bite them because his representing something other then himself.
Now should he use this language? Obviously from a spectator standpoint nobody should be using this type of language, and I don't think it should be repeated by anyone, famous or not. Obviously some people are just short tempered and it just flows. Shit happens.
Stop the unnecessary drama kids, focus on something actually related to SC2 like Feast and how his a power house. This stupid drama shit needs to stop because right now, there's a lot of SC2 content but not a lot of talking about it, what's the point of trying to pierce into E-sports as SC2 if we can't even focus on the actual sport and rather focus on irrelevant shit?
It's strange, why don't I get offended when someone calls me whitey or honkey? It has the exact kind of demeaning implication. The only reason the word nigger is so stigmatic isn't because black people get offended by it, it's because media and the western society has kept talking about how offensive and racist it is. Now if people would just stop iterating over and over again how bad of a word it is and would stop pretending to be insulted maybe it would go away completely.
The reason you don't get upset is because there isn't a system of racial discrimination in your country that works against you on a daily basis. Your grandparents didn't grow up being unable to attend college because of their skin. Your great grandparents didn't grow up on a plantation. Are you fucking 12 years old?
We don't live in the 1950s, what system of racial discrimination? Huh? this is getting offtopic now if you're going to bring that up.
and regardless of orb and your opinions on this i think we can agree people who keep finding this crap and bringing it up have some serious problems themselves.
So you don't think that racism is alive and well in American of all places okay well thats a totally well throught out and reasonable position good job.
I love watching white people persecute each other relentlessly because one of them said the N word. It just looks like you're all trying to hide your own racist ways.
I said I don't give a fuck. So there's one vote.
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On March 09 2012 08:08 xrapture wrote: so idra's allowed to say faggot dozens of times, but orb saying nigger is so much different?
Last time I checked both are derogatory terms used against a minority.
There is a double standard for everything, It's not only what is said but who says it. Idra is known for being BM and saying shit like this but orb presents himself as a well spoken classy individaual so when he is accused of saying a deragatory word, it seems worse.
Its the internet, people talk shit, flaming gets a whole lot sicker than racist slurs. Most people are not offended by garbage spewed over the internet especially online games where the kid bming is just straight nerd raging.
These are my views, not sticking up for Orb, guy comes off as a bit of a douche, constant whining and balance QQ gets old very quick.
People get mad and that is somethingI empathize with and understand. Although you'd think someone who is in the public eye would bother thinking about his behavior. Honestly the best move for orb would've just been to either apologize straight up and hold his tongue in the future. Or for him to take the IdrA approach and just not give a toss. Because if someone like IdrA or Destiny did that people would just go "lol that's our IdrA" and the same for Destiny.
What I believe got people so riled up is that orb is sitting here lying to us and denying these accusations and hurling insults toward community members. Lying about it is going to turn something that is ordinarilly not an enormous deal (although the useage of racial slurs questionable, I am not bothered by this. A previous poster mentioned that words like that only have power because we as people give it power and I agree with that statement. If people truly wish to crush racism and racists then let them suffer the cruelest fate history has to offer, to be forgotten and rendered innert as a result of that).
Orb's crime here is showing disrespect for this community and not taking responsibility for his actions until it was apparent there was no other way out. He should've come clean and I think at that point regardless of what he did from there it would certainly not have transformed into this witchhunt.
On March 09 2012 08:09 Flonomenalz wrote: This is absurdly blown out of proportion.
My god, nigger is used everywhere from rap songs to the local minimart. Take it easy. Orb fucked up for not apologizing straight away, but give the kid a break, he panicked and reacted badly.
Honestly, this community is so dramatic over every single thing. Jessica tweets something? omg 100 posts 20 page thread is needed. Do you guys have nothing better to discuss than attacking people relentlessly? What is destroying orb's reputation going to do for esports? Nothing at all.
Holy shit.
Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is.
I do feel a little smidgen of sympathy for orb in some respects, because he's been made an easy target while other people have not. Destiny and Huk have also used the word nigger which is kinda glossed over or treated as a joke, but looking from the outside in it appears those slurs have been accepted and will be defended if a "popular" player is saying them.
On March 09 2012 06:19 iNbluE wrote: Hum, orb being a dick at times and using bm quite are known facts. But saying he's racist because he uses "nigga" come on...
On March 09 2012 08:09 Flonomenalz wrote: This is absurdly blown out of proportion.
My god, nigger is used everywhere from rap songs to the local minimart. Take it easy. Orb fucked up for not apologizing straight away, but give the kid a break, he panicked and reacted badly.
Honestly, this community is so dramatic over every single thing. Jessica tweets something? omg 100 posts 20 page thread is needed. Do you guys have nothing better to discuss than attacking people relentlessly? What is destroying orb's reputation going to do for esports? Nothing at all.
Holy shit.
What is the word nigger being normalized going to do for esports?
On March 09 2012 06:17 Tenks wrote: I don't see why everyone is complaining about this thread. It is a nice summary of what has happened. I'm also surprised people are saying "He raged, who cares?" When do you think it is ever appropriate to use racist language like that? Never. If you are trying to represent the community you simply cannot do it. Almost reminds me of the guy last week from the FGC that said sexism is an inherit part of the FGC and should be embraced.
I get frustrated on the ladder like everyone else but every game ends with me saying "GG." I don't even represent the community. I'm not saying he has to be calm after every loss but using language like this should be unacceptable.
Orb doesn't represent the community. The guy who said sexist things did it on a live show, as if someone said it on SotG or something. That's the difference.
On March 09 2012 08:02 Gheed wrote: Do you people really believe orb hates black people? Really? If you don't, then why are you losing your shit over this? Because he used a naughty word? Big fucking deal.
I can't count how many times I've been called faggot and nigger online, I don't honestly believe any of those people are racist homophobes. Jesus Christ.
The issue isn't that Orb hates a group of people. The issue is that Orb is normalizing the use of a racial slur. You are also normalizing the use of a racial slur. You are making people who ARE RACIST feel better about expressing their hate in public. This is not okay to do.
Exactly! It's so mind boggling that people think such behavior is excusable.
dear god people its just a word. being hysterical about it like this gives it power..
On March 09 2012 08:10 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how EG didn't even consider punishing Idra when he said "fuck you" to his opponent in IPL2, but now are probably going to give orb the boot for doing this in ladder matches. Certainly what orb said is worse than what Idra said, but if orb's statement warrants severe punishment, shouldn't Idra's statement have warranted some punishment? Guess EG is following the money trail there...
Not that this post won't get buried in a matter of seconds lol...
As was mentioned before in this thread/by SirScoots, they have made clear that such things aren't tolerated and IdrA hasn't been acting like that lately.
On March 09 2012 07:57 MonkSEA wrote: This is all blown out of proportion.
E-sports needs this shit to go away for it to be legit? Let me tell you my friends, A LOT of this shit goes down in sports. The only reason most people don't hear about it is because NOBODY CARES. Are you saying football isn't legit now because they get into bar fights and use racial slurs and sexist remarks all the time?
This isn't about legitimacy of E-sports, this is just everyone blowing on soup that is already cold. You say that this behaviour is hurting E-sports, so how about we do what other sports do and just ignore what goes on outside of televised games? All this retarded drama you juvenile kids bring up is what is hurting SC2. When he says that shit on something that isn't his own personal stream or ladder games then you can jump on his balls and bite them because his representing something other then himself.
Now should he use this language? Obviously from a spectator standpoint nobody should be using this type of language, and I don't think it should be repeated by anyone, famous or not. Obviously some people are just short tempered and it just flows. Shit happens.
Stop the unnecessary drama kids, focus on something actually related to SC2 like Feast and how his a power house. This stupid drama shit needs to stop because right now, there's a lot of SC2 content but not a lot of talking about it, what's the point of trying to pierce into E-sports as SC2 if we can't even focus on the actual sport and rather focus on irrelevant shit?
It's strange, why don't I get offended when someone calls me whitey or honkey? It has the exact kind of demeaning implication. The only reason the word nigger is so stigmatic isn't because black people get offended by it, it's because media and the western society has kept talking about how offensive and racist it is. Now if people would just stop iterating over and over again how bad of a word it is and would stop pretending to be insulted maybe it would go away completely.
The reason you don't get upset is because there isn't a system of racial discrimination in your country that works against you on a daily basis. Your grandparents didn't grow up being unable to attend college because of their skin. Your great grandparents didn't grow up on a plantation. Are you fucking 12 years old?
Source please. This is 2012, not 1912, what you bring up is exactly the same kind of logical fallacy as it is to blame the inhabitants of Germany today for the holocaust.
On March 09 2012 08:09 Flonomenalz wrote: This is absurdly blown out of proportion.
My god, nigger is used everywhere from rap songs to the local minimart. Take it easy. Orb fucked up for not apologizing straight away, but give the kid a break, he panicked and reacted badly.
Honestly, this community is so dramatic over every single thing. Jessica tweets something? omg 100 posts 20 page thread is needed. Do you guys have nothing better to discuss than attacking people relentlessly? What is destroying orb's reputation going to do for esports? Nothing at all.
Holy shit.
Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is.
I got called a nigger on b.net twice last week. I suppose I'm the unluckiest man in the world?
EPT
