The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
On March 09 2012 07:56 Gator wrote: why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me.
It isn't about ruining his life its about sending a message that this community will not stand for racism or homophobia. We will not tolerate it.
Cursing and calling people words is not being racist or homophobic. These are just common curse words people use here and there, it doesn't automatically mean you're a racist. (you CAN be ofc but it doesn't prove it.)
seriously? every online multiplayer game involves bm and rage and bad language. its not the first time and it wont be the last. get used to it and grow up. only good guy on bnet is sheth...everyone knows that.
On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote: If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.
He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).
If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating.
What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail.
My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist.
again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good.
CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan.
Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority.
Klondi lol Racism can go any way, doesn't matter if it's minority or majority, it's judging someone on their race/colour of skin.
And for some reason racism always seems to affect minorities and never seems to bother majorities. That might have SOMETHING to do with the fact that if a minority runs around screaming about the majority is bad they...get put in jail. But the majority faces no such consequences.
So sure, you can theoretically say that racism can run both ways, but in reality it doesn't.
Doesn't matter. You just won't see it much because you're relying on mainstream views, which are based on what the majority thinks/says. What do you think about the Southern US during slavery or Apartheid SA? This is also why you have a republic, to avoid mob rule
On March 09 2012 07:56 Gator wrote: why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me.
It isn't about ruining his life its about sending a message that this community will not stand for racism or homophobia. We will not tolerate it.
Cursing and calling people words is not being racist or homophobic. These are just common curse words people use here and there, it doesn't automatically mean you're a racist. (you CAN be ofc but it doesn't prove it.)
The obvious lying is the problem here for me.
Whoa man...words don't like... "mean things" man its all like human perception you know like what if we see the same color but like really its a diffrent color?? dude....
On March 09 2012 08:02 Gheed wrote: Do you people really believe orb hates black people? Really? If you don't, then why are you losing your shit over this? Because he used a naughty word? Big fucking deal.
I can't count how many times I've been called faggot and nigger online, I don't honestly believe any of those people are racist homophobes. Jesus Christ.
The issue isn't that Orb hates a group of people. The issue is that Orb is normalizing the use of a racial slur. You are also normalizing the use of a racial slur. You are making people who ARE RACIST feel better about expressing their hate in public. This is not okay to do.
Exactly! It's so mind boggling that people think such behavior is excusable.
On March 09 2012 07:44 Jinsho wrote: It's not ok to say nigger,fa ggot, *bitch*, or chink. Not on stream, not to your friends, not to anyone. Never.
That's it. That's all. Discussion over. Orb needs to get a severe reprimand and realize that he isn't a dumb kid anymore and same for everyone who posted stupid shit in this thread about how you totally use nigger with your black friends.
Are you the mother of TL? Gonna wash all of our hands with soap?
On March 09 2012 08:02 Gheed wrote: Do you people really believe orb hates black people? Really? If you don't, then why are you losing your shit over this? Because he used a naughty word? Big fucking deal.
I can't count how many times I've been called faggot and nigger online, I don't honestly believe any of those people are racist homophobes. Jesus Christ.
Gheed, you've been called faggot and nigger by people who aren't publicly representing themselves as faces of the SC2 community, whereas orb is a public face of the SC2 community.
Unless IMMvp hangs out in bronze league and dies to worker rushes, I guess.
Orb is not representing the community in ladder games. If he started calling people niggers on stream, sure, grab your pitchforks. But this is just an immature kid saying immature things. Should he stop? Yes. Should we all publicly shit on him for doing what hundreds of raging bronzies to do me weekly? No.
If you decide to make yourself a public figure (in this case, commentating for a major organization in the SC2 community) then your other actions outside of that also should be scrutinized.
I'm glad we can agree that he should stop. An honest apology and a reformation of his behavior in the future would go a long way towards redeeming him in my eyes.
On March 09 2012 08:07 Disarm22 wrote: seriously? every online multiplayer game involves bm and rage and bad language. its not the first time and it wont be the last. get used to it and grow up. only good guy on bnet is sheth...everyone knows that.
On March 09 2012 08:04 CodECleaR wrote: It's okay for Destiny to say stuff like this but not Orb? Community bias much? I can understand how diff. organizations would reprimand each Destiny/orb differently, but the community is so blatantly biased it's almost funny.
Destiny is kind of a nobody in terms of his impact on the scene. He's a fringe entertainer who structures his casts to appeal to high school aged kids since they are a the types who can watch streams a lot. Its really well understood that who he is on his stream isn't an actual representation of the community.
EG, on the other hand, is basically THE e-sports organization out there, and casters are always the face of an organization, whether it be GSL, MLG, etc. Orb spewing racism is coming from a different person, from a different organization. Its totally different.
On March 09 2012 07:57 MonkSEA wrote: This is all blown out of proportion.
E-sports needs this shit to go away for it to be legit? Let me tell you my friends, A LOT of this shit goes down in sports. The only reason most people don't hear about it is because NOBODY CARES. Are you saying football isn't legit now because they get into bar fights and use racial slurs and sexist remarks all the time?
This isn't about legitimacy of E-sports, this is just everyone blowing on soup that is already cold. You say that this behaviour is hurting E-sports, so how about we do what other sports do and just ignore what goes on outside of televised games? All this retarded drama you juvenile kids bring up is what is hurting SC2. When he says that shit on something that isn't his own personal stream or ladder games then you can jump on his balls and bite them because his representing something other then himself.
Now should he use this language? Obviously from a spectator standpoint nobody should be using this type of language, and I don't think it should be repeated by anyone, famous or not. Obviously some people are just short tempered and it just flows. Shit happens.
Stop the unnecessary drama kids, focus on something actually related to SC2 like Feast and how his a power house. This stupid drama shit needs to stop because right now, there's a lot of SC2 content but not a lot of talking about it, what's the point of trying to pierce into E-sports as SC2 if we can't even focus on the actual sport and rather focus on irrelevant shit?
It's strange, why don't I get offended when someone calls me whitey or honkey? It has the exact kind of demeaning implication. The only reason the word nigger is so stigmatic isn't because black people get offended by it, it's because media and the western society has kept talking about how offensive and racist it is. Now if people would just stop iterating over and over again how bad of a word it is and would stop pretending to be insulted maybe it would go away completely.
The reason you don't get upset is because there isn't a system of racial discrimination in your country that works against you on a daily basis. Your grandparents didn't grow up being unable to attend college because of their skin. Your great grandparents didn't grow up on a plantation. Are you fucking 12 years old?
We don't live in the 1950s, what system of racial discrimination? Huh? this is getting offtopic now if you're going to bring that up.
and regardless of orb and your opinions on this i think we can agree people who keep finding this crap and bringing it up have some serious problems themselves.
On March 09 2012 08:07 GatorGar wrote: Us black folk is severely oh-fended by a white man from the suburbs with his fancy intuhnet SLANDERINNN awuh people.
For real. We're kind of over it by now. As is in they know not to say it to our face, so that's good enough for me.
Funniest post since the one which linked to orb commenting SlayerS_Jessica needing some pr management :D
Esports drama getting out of hand. Sick of reading this garbage, everything gets blown out of proportion especially when Reddit is involved. Looks like it won't get dragged out too long with the statement from Alex Garfield but still, for it to even come to this point is absurd.
But I guess people cant pass up on this golden opportunity to ruin someones life from the safety of the internet. All while complaining about someone elses ethics. It is nothing but sad.
On March 09 2012 08:08 justinpal wrote: If our community spent as much time creating drama as they did playing SC we might just be able to have a non-Korean at Code S level.
Koreans aren't raging they are playing another game.
On March 09 2012 08:02 Gheed wrote: Do you people really believe orb hates black people? Really? If you don't, then why are you losing your shit over this? Because he used a naughty word? Big fucking deal.
I can't count how many times I've been called faggot and nigger online, I don't honestly believe any of those people are racist homophobes. Jesus Christ.
Gheed, you've been called faggot and nigger by people who aren't publicly representing themselves as faces of the SC2 community, whereas orb is a public face of the SC2 community.
Unless IMMvp hangs out in bronze league and dies to worker rushes, I guess.
Orb is not representing the community in ladder games. If he started calling people niggers on stream, sure, grab your pitchforks. But this is just an immature kid saying immature things. Should he stop? Yes. Should we all publicly shit on him for doing what hundreds of raging bronzies to do me weekly? No.
He watched the replay on stream. Is there a difference between doing it live and watching a replay of it live?
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