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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
StuartLove
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany267 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#441
im black and it serious hurts when a person calls me a nigger just cause of my skin color, it hurts even more when a Caster says it without getting blocked/removed from featured list/banned for it.

and stop using the argument "its the internet,deal with it" even when we are on the internet we, we the gamers should show a bit respect.
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jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#442
On March 09 2012 06:16 pt wrote:
its just racist comments dawg... its only a big deal because other people make it a big deal.


This is exactly my thoughts. there is about 20 pages of crap posted in here. This guy got it right on the first page. If instead of "Nigger" he used the word "Cunt", would there be a thread? This is just insane I support freedom of speech and a right to privacy. This thread and all the people harassing orb, are violating those two things.

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garbodor
Profile Joined October 2011
269 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#443
On March 09 2012 07:52 Yosho wrote:
Amazing how all the white Americans don't find this offensive and this is too much of a response to his actions. And shameful to my other Belgians who think so too. People in the pro scene simply can't act this way... There are some seriously low social standards in this thread that surprise me. It's not ok for anyone to use racist slang's despite how common it is...


White Americans don't find this offensive,eh?
Nice generalization there, bud. You're just as racist as orb.
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#444
On March 09 2012 07:56 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:54 Trsjnica wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:48 Kuja wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:44 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:39 Kuja wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote:
If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.

He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).

If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating.
What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail.


My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist.

again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good.
CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan.


Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority.

Racism doesn't have anything to do with majority/minority. From Webster:

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


Webster defines "webster" as Middle English, from Old English webbestre female weaver, from webbian to weave; akin to Old English wefan to weave
First Known Use: 12th century

Thus webster isn't a dictionary.

Hint: being in a minority is a big part of racism.

I have no idea what you are even trying to argue. Webster is the name of Daniel Webster, whose name is not on a popular dictionary, as you know...

I was stating that his definition of racism was too narrow. I am unsure what you are hoping to say.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#445
of course it`s stupid, immature and not cool at all! All it does: make him look like a little angry kid.

BUT don`t make a witchhunt out of it. How was that science fictional saying ... "the one without guilt, throw the first stone" or something like that. Ask yourself if you always act correctly while playing a computer game in your private time. And this is what actually happened here. An (temporarly) idiot sitting at home and writing stupid stuff to his cannon rushing opponent.

If you guys have too much energy and want to do the right thing: go help the homeless, go tell your goverment to stop all military actions on foreign soil, go and raise awareness of how bad the education for most people is or go and fight for a fair sharing of all wealth. These things are worth spending your energy for. Witchhunting someone over the internet, because he said stupid stuff, is not.
keep it deep! @zulison
MercilessMonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada150 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#446
On March 09 2012 08:00 Blade Fox wrote:
Good job ruining this guys life. Can't believe he doesn't even get a second chance. Feels like TMZ.

This thread and the stuff that happened on reddit disgust me, who really cares what he said to someone in the heat of several moments. Jesus.

Sad - sad day for this 'community'.


I don't think his casting career being harmed, or even ending, is ruining his life. If he gets fired from his job he can get a new one. No one is harassing his friends/family etc in real life or anything of the sort.
Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
March 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#447
On March 09 2012 07:58 oxxo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:56 Striding Strider wrote:
Welcome to real life. People get mad and BM.


In 'real life' (where ppl claim to want SC2/esports to go) there are consequences for needlessly getting mad and BM, especially for people with the type job orb has.


Wonder how idra became so successful...
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#448
You can rage(we all do it at some level) without going to the lowest and most idiotic form and using racial slurs. That's what people have an issue with.

Rage all you want but, the moment you start using racial slurs and expect to grow your public image it will come back to bite you in the ass. Say that the community are hypocrites all you want, but we aren't all trying to be the face of a league/tournament/organization. People at the top need to be held to higher standards because that's who people who aren't "in the know" will go to check out. It's his own fault really. There's a difference between using that language privately among people you know won't get offended and spouting racist bullshit to random people you don't know in public streams/games.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Xirroh
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada146 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#449
Surprised I haven't seen more mods in this thread yet, some of these comments...

Also Surprised BNet hasn't filtered these words yet.
GatorGar
Profile Joined December 2011
Somalia77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 23:04:53
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#450
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Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#451
Do you people really believe orb hates black people? Really? If you don't, then why are you losing your shit over this? Because he used a naughty word? Big fucking deal.

I can't count how many times I've been called faggot and nigger online, I don't honestly believe any of those people are racist homophobes. Jesus Christ.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#452
On March 09 2012 07:53 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:51 darkscream wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:45 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:43 darkscream wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:34 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:32 frozenrb wrote:
Wonder how many times, you called something gay, even if you didn't have anything homophobic in mind...

It's childish like hell still... He is so stiupid:D


The fact that you think the term "gay" can be used to describe something you don't like is inherently homophobic.


no it's not what the fuck.

This is a real problem, the internet all of a sudden became super uptight and politcally correct.


News flash, people make their own defintions for words all the time. We use rape and gay and fuck and whatever else in a totally different context within gaming compared to the outside world.

Saying "gay" as a negative doesn't make you a homophobe any more than it makes you a sociopath. Gay also means happy, so if you call something gay negatively it doesn't mean you hate happiness. And if you call someone a nigger (especially someone whose race you can't possibly know) it doesn't mean you hate black people.

Sorry this isnt 1950, popular culture changes the definition of words very quickly and if you get hung up on one meaning from one time period, you have to be sensitive to a LOT more words than just nigger and faggot.


This isn't 1950? Because your post sure seems like it is. It's amazing that people think context is the magical tabula rasa for a word. Hint: it's not



Uh, okay, so we just have magic blacklisted words than always offend people now? Alright, well, I'm going on a witch hunt then. Anyone who has said the word "Nazi", I will campaign against. Anyone who has said "Faggot", I'm making them lose their job. "Jew" or "Nigger"? Fuck yeah, I'm getting you fired. "Rape" offends me regardless of context too, so that's out. Gay in any context, absolutely out of the question. "Hell" or "Damn" should not ever be present in any cast or stream either, they are curse words after all.

Where do you draw the line? or do you just draw the line at "nigger" because that's the only offensive word in the world by your arbitrary standard?


I draw the line at those derogatory words you used that aren't choices. It's a choice to be a Nazi so that's trite but fair game. Damn or Hell don't refer to any specific group of people so they aren't even comparable.

All the other words you listed are off limits...is that really a revelation/surprise for you?


Klondikebar, as ever, wording things in a way I just can't. But suffice to say, I agree.
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MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#453
On March 09 2012 07:58 takinmehigh wrote:
I think this is really serious... racism is a crime...
+ Show Spoiler +
AND CRIME IS FOR NIGGERS!


LOL

User was warned for this post
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#454
On March 09 2012 08:00 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:59 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:57 MasterKang wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:57 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:56 Gator wrote:
why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me.


It isn't about ruining his life its about sending a message that this community will not stand for racism or homophobia. We will not tolerate it.


Using the word "faggot" is not homophobia, it's just an unfortunate result of society developing in a way that made this word into a popular insult


You're wrong. You might not be homophobic, but you're at least ignorant.


If you categorize every single person who's used the word "faggot" in their life as homophobic, then you're clearly the ignorant one here.


I used to do this when I was in middle school until one day I did it in front of a person who was actually gay. They stopped me and told me to my face that I was being an ignorant shit and explained how it felt to be persecuted. That was 14 years ago and I haven't said it since.
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Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#455
Things like this only matter if you pay attention to them...
Ewic
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 23:04:10
March 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#456
I AM SO TIRED of these nit-picking threads. (re: PlayhemTV casters)

People, how un-empathetic can you get??? Everyone experiences frustration on ladder. Even IF Orb said those things (not sure if he did, doesn't matter though) it's none of your business and certainly not grounds for a thread. I can't believe people make these threads to broadcast someone's mistakes to the whole world. This is literally insane. I am disappointed in the fact that threads like these aren't cleaned up because none of us are entitled to discuss this topic except for the people involved. It's like if a kid got an F on a report card and his parents phone all his friends and family and tell everyone about how bad a student their son is.

Ugh just sick of people trying to make others look like dirt and broadcast it to the world.
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frozenrb
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland389 Posts
March 08 2012 23:03 GMT
#457
Racist, Homopchobic... people use that words all the time even if they aren't racist and homophobic...

People use word moron all the time, and they don't think about illness.... we all are doing it all the time. We are using bad words...
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 23:06:51
March 08 2012 23:03 GMT
#458
Isnt this happening on his own stream? If you complaing about using taboo words ingame its blizzard issue and it should be reported.
People shouldn't need to be aruing if he is racist or not. Just think about a sec if he thinks about certan ethinicity when he uses the words he used. No, can't you relate to anger of losing in ladder? Even when YOU play sc2?

It's another thing to discuss whether public people should stop using any words we/some people don't want them to in their own private streams.




This is exactly my thoughts. there is about 20 pages of crap posted in here. This guy got it right on the first page. If instead of "Nigger" he used the word "Cunt", would there be a thread? This is just insane I support freedom of speech and a right to privacy. This thread and all the people harassing orb, are violating those two things.

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MercilessMonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada150 Posts
March 08 2012 23:03 GMT
#459
On March 09 2012 08:01 Striding Strider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:58 oxxo wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:56 Striding Strider wrote:
Welcome to real life. People get mad and BM.


In 'real life' (where ppl claim to want SC2/esports to go) there are consequences for needlessly getting mad and BM, especially for people with the type job orb has.


Wonder how idra became so successful...


Because his rage/BM doesn't use unnecessary racist slurs. Nor does he lie to EG and try to pretend it wasn't him doing it.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
March 08 2012 23:03 GMT
#460
On March 09 2012 08:00 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 07:53 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:51 darkscream wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:45 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:43 darkscream wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:34 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 07:32 frozenrb wrote:
Wonder how many times, you called something gay, even if you didn't have anything homophobic in mind...

It's childish like hell still... He is so stiupid:D


The fact that you think the term "gay" can be used to describe something you don't like is inherently homophobic.


no it's not what the fuck.

This is a real problem, the internet all of a sudden became super uptight and politcally correct.


News flash, people make their own defintions for words all the time. We use rape and gay and fuck and whatever else in a totally different context within gaming compared to the outside world.

Saying "gay" as a negative doesn't make you a homophobe any more than it makes you a sociopath. Gay also means happy, so if you call something gay negatively it doesn't mean you hate happiness. And if you call someone a nigger (especially someone whose race you can't possibly know) it doesn't mean you hate black people.

Sorry this isnt 1950, popular culture changes the definition of words very quickly and if you get hung up on one meaning from one time period, you have to be sensitive to a LOT more words than just nigger and faggot.


This isn't 1950? Because your post sure seems like it is. It's amazing that people think context is the magical tabula rasa for a word. Hint: it's not



Uh, okay, so we just have magic blacklisted words than always offend people now? Alright, well, I'm going on a witch hunt then. Anyone who has said the word "Nazi", I will campaign against. Anyone who has said "Faggot", I'm making them lose their job. "Jew" or "Nigger"? Fuck yeah, I'm getting you fired. "Rape" offends me regardless of context too, so that's out. Gay in any context, absolutely out of the question. "Hell" or "Damn" should not ever be present in any cast or stream either, they are curse words after all.

Where do you draw the line? or do you just draw the line at "nigger" because that's the only offensive word in the world by your arbitrary standard?


I draw the line at those derogatory words you used that aren't choices. It's a choice to be a Nazi so that's trite but fair game. Damn or Hell don't refer to any specific group of people so they aren't even comparable.

All the other words you listed are off limits...is that really a revelation/surprise for you?
Really? aren't people born Nazi's?


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