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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
My take on the education system is that it actually is okay, but there're only incredibly lazy students who refuse to study. Classe préparatoire is a good system where student willing to work a bit actually succeed. I don't mind all the bashing stuff we get, I like to bash the americans too, like everyone else right ? lol There's nationalistic idiot everywhere, look around. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
French are not cowards, in fact France has one of the most violent histories in the world, waging war after war against every neighbour, and even against most of Europe during Napoleonic times. It is utterly false to say that the french have a history of losing or retreating. In medieval times the english court spoke french as the ruling dynasty was Norman; the Frank kingdom was one of the most powerful at the time; and so was the French kingdom during the Renaissance, and during the Lumières, too. French patriots ousted all foreign troops when a coalition tried to restore the French royalty, while severely outnumbered. Historians have given France the nickname of the "European China", because of its huge population during medieval times. Even the 100-year war wasn't a conflict between France and England, but mostly between two dynasties, and the side of the Valois (France) was vastly outnumbered by the attacks of Burgandy, Brittany, Flanders and Portugal. But the French army was humiliated during WW2, and even before that in 1870, and the peaceful statu quo carved this in stone. This is very bad for national pride, you know? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:09 MandoRelease wrote: Oh come on, everyone bashes everyone, it's not limited to US vs France. Everything said here, except that WWII bs, can be said for almost any country. My take on the education system is that it actually is okay, but there're only incredibly lazy students who refuse to study. Classe préparatoire is actually a good system where student willing to work a bit actually succeed. I don't mind all the bashing stuff we get, I like to bash the americans too, like everyone else right ? lol There's nationalistic idiot everywhere, look around. Canadians bash everyone. Mainly the Brits from what I've noticed. Or maybe it's because most of my friends are descendants of Brits. | ||
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ETisME
12703 Posts
treaty of versailles. quite a lot of historians agree that France was being way too harsh on Germany with this treaty while USA and UK wanted to give Germany a chance to get back up in economy and trade with them, France wanted Germany dead, taking away Germany's most productive lands and setting a huge war bill for them to repay. Not to mention the treaty basically blamed Germans for all the guilts and had to bear the shame of having little to none army size. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
I don't know if he meant it seriously, but as a satire it is pretty good. Considering how Americans think everybody envies them  | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:07 IntoTheheart wrote: Even still, the fact that the education is good can't be a point AGAINST America. Higher education and specialized formation has to be centered somewhere. America is convenient because it's big and has a lot of money. In general, the education in America (undergraduate) is about as good as in the rest of the world. Btw, I really feel bad for all the French here thinking our educationnal system suck. I come from a poor family and am now in the best engineering school in France, being paid around 800€ a month just to study, without having anything to give back. Just because I proved through French examinations that I deserved it. I don't think there's a lot of countries where you have that kind of opportunities, and you can have access to the higher education in your country without ever having to pay anything. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:10 Kukaracha wrote: Okay, so here's my "manly history" moment. French are not cowards, in fact France has one of the most violent histories in the world, waging war after war against every neighbour, and even against most of Europe during Napoleonic times. It is utterly false to say that the french have a history of losing or retreating. In medieval times the english court spoke french as the ruling dynasty was Norman; the Frank kingdom was one of the most powerful at the time; and so was the French kingdom during the Renaissance, and during the Lumières, too. French patriots ousted all foreign troops when a coalition tried to restore the French royalty, while severely outnumbered. Historians have given France the nickname of the "European China", because of its huge population during medieval times. Even the 100-year war wasn't a conflict between France and England, but mostly between two dynasties, and the side of the Valois (France) was vastly outnumbered by the attacks of Burgandy, Brittany, Flanders and Portugal. But the French army was humiliated during WW2, and even before that in 1870, and the peaceful statu quo carved this in stone. This is very bad for national pride, you know? I always find it incredibly frustrating when people push forward the BS stereotype that the French are cowards and always lose. The French have probably had just as much conflict as any other European region, and I can only remember two wars that the French actually lost (Franco-Prussian and Napoleon's reign ended in defeat, but hell that doesn't even count as a loss). Not only that, France came up with the greatest military general in earth's history and the largest mainland European empire in the world's history (Napoleon the Great). | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:02 Euronyme wrote: Peace of versailles. The massive debt put on Germany after WW1 was illadviced, and caused a massive meltdown of the German economy that lasted until WW2 basically. That combined with the French pillage made Hitler's promise of revenge popular enough to rise to power. The lust for revenge was central in Hitler's ideology, and is mainly what made it so popular. Well tell me, was this a decision made by the French people, a consequence of the behaviour of the French army, or simply a consequence of Clemenceau's political views, and his alone? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:21 Kukaracha wrote: Well tell me, was this a decision made by the French people, a consequence of the behaviour of the French army, or simply a consequence of Clemenceau's political views, and his alone? There was a sizable French population that were anti-German to the point where they wanted France to immediately go back to war with the Germans even prior to WWI. They were very, very bitter about the Franco-Prussian War. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On January 21 2012 22:54 Maxquatre wrote: Losing 4.5% of your population, having more than 5 other % wounded and having your country ravaged. It was pretty normal we wanted some way to secure ourselves. Asking for no military, getting back Alsace-Lorraine, asking for huge amounts of money. That's what you do when you win, you want the opponent to not be able to strike back. I don't have to remember you who started this war. Do you realize the debt lasted until 2010? There's a difference between securing a victory and securing the everlasting obliteration of the enemy. | ||
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:15 mr_tolkien wrote: Higher education and specialized formation has to be centered somewhere. America is convenient because it's big and has a lot of money. In general, the education in America (undergraduate) is about as good as in the rest of the world. Btw, I really feel bad for all the French here thinking our educationnal system suck. I come from a poor family and am now in the best engineering school in France, being paid around 800€ a month just to study, without having anything to give back. Just because I proved through French examinations that I deserved it. I don't think there's a lot of countries where you have that kind of opportunities, and you can have access to the higher education in your country without ever having to pay anything. Without ever having to pay anything ? When you come from a poor family maybe, because the French system regarding scholarship and taxe reduction is ludicrous, for the rest of us, one actually has to pay a bit. Not that much over the course of a year, admittedly, but still a decent amount. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:23 Stratos_speAr wrote: There was a sizable French population that were anti-German to the point where they wanted France to immediately go back to war with the Germans even prior to WWI. They were very, very bitter about the Franco-Prussian War. This raises an interesting point; if the french caused WW2, then didn't the germans push them to do so by provoking France into a war simply to... unify Germany (1870)? See where this kind of logic takes you? | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On January 21 2012 22:48 secretary bird wrote: I know all about that, doesnt change my opinion one bit though. The germans practically love France even though France has declared war on them many times. You might like to bash the french but that doesnt make it common. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT? Just kidding, though I live in northrhinewestphalia and although I live on the eastern end of it that state is pretty close to france and the general opinion of them here isn't very good compared to other countries(it's not like we hate them or even dislike them, but I think pretty much everybody 200kms around me would put a dane above a frenchie) | ||
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hitthat
Poland2340 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:25 Kukaracha wrote: Do you realize the debt lasted until 2010? There's a difference between securing a victory and securing the everlasting obliteration of the enemy. Everlasting WHAT??? So what the fuck invaded us in 1939? UN Security Forces? 1 milion of zombies? Or that was just a fucking Zerg rush? French given up most of claims towards the Germany since 1919, Germany could have even their own army. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On January 21 2012 23:21 Kukaracha wrote: Well tell me, was this a decision made by the French people, a consequence of the behaviour of the French army, or simply a consequence of Clemenceau's political views, and his alone? He was elected. Like Hitler; It's true, humiliation after WWI was the worth possible idea and killed the young republic of Weimach. We started them, helped by UK and USA (thats the reason why Hilter used to hate these countries too) | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On January 21 2012 21:49 IveReturned wrote: And you just made yourself look inhumane / amoral / absolutely unrepentant. If you make a law that shuts up the people who dont think like you do, you must be an ignorant retard. Thats my opinion about french. Australians will admit that in the past, we did NOT treat the aboriginals of this land well. We bullied them and absolutely wrecked them. But now reparations are being made. Much emphasis is placed in every institution to improve the lives of Aboriginals. Turks? At least admit things were done in the past. Denying history makes you look like the Japanese - who also have a terrible record of lying to people's faces about the junk they did in the past. The US's occupation of Japan post 1945 is also disgraceful, but let's not go into that. | ||
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Husnan
France298 Posts
On the French bashing "debate", I don't mind it. When it is from comedians, I usually enjoy the jokes about our accent, our supposed cowardice, our hygiene... When it is from a retarded redneck who doesn't like anyone if they don't go to the same church he does every sunday, well, i just feel pity for him. We also have our "rednecks" in France who are never short of totally ignorant anti-America(n) ideas, and well, that's what they are, ignorant. | ||
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
I think some use French as short for a bunch of stereotypes, namely 1. socialist 2. coward 3. elitist/refined 4. arrogant 5. stealing your women. I think because of all the tension with them not supporting the Iraq War and the WWII history we're all apparently still obsessed by. (like seriously, I live in the Netherlands, we were one of the worst countries as far as the Holocaust goes, we had a lot of civilian and military casualties, we still have two remembrance days every year, it's the central feature in our history education system - yet nobody here cares to drag up dumb old incidents or holds it against the Germans. Move on people. >.< ) | ||
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