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As anyone knows who has gone to an MLG event the event is disproportionately populated by males. While I attended MLG Columbus last year I drug my girlfriend along. Being a good sport she agreed. From my general observation at the event the only females there were in the same situation as me. Simply coming along as a good gesture to their boyfriends.
The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. It would be nice if there was an option to purchase a ladies pass at a discounted rate. Not only for a 1+1 situation but maybe make the idea of coming to an MLG as a lady, not attached to a male, more appealing due to the lower price of entrance. I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink instead of the MLG red as well. The precedent is set already at bars which have a ladies night to try and even the numbers.
I feel like if I could purchase a pass for my girlfriend at a discounted rate it would be easier for me, on a personal level, to have her just come and go as she pleases from the event. She was very lethargic and, honestly, bored during the second day of the event.
Anyways just a suggestion. Thanks for reading.
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Not sure if troll thread, if not, no.
One of the biggest demands for Females actually involved in the e-sports community is to be treated the same as males, this would just stick a big middle finger up to that concept.
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Let's reverse the situation: If I go to an MLG event because my girlfriend want sto go there, am I allowed to pay lower prices aswell?
In other words: Stupid idea, same rights, same prizes...
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MLG wouldn't allow a discount for such a thing as that.
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How about Ladies free before 11:00pm? Oh wait, forgot MLG isn't a club...
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Having a girlfriend and being a nerd is a bitch ain't it lol. That kinda shit doesn't happen for sports games etc, so Idk if that would ever happen
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Support, more females to MLG is always good.
Discounted pass is definitely a good idea, if not even just letting them enter for free.
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Yeah, I think this is a bad idea. If they really don't enjoy it then simply don't bring them along, it's silly to have a discounted rate just because they don't like it as much as someone such as yourself.
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The idea is right, the method is wrong. Yes MLG might need some more females, but lowering the prices isnt the correct answer.
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Good idea, I would support this. Though it would cause to much controversy to actually be applied
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On January 17 2012 23:55 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
The idea is right, the method is wrong. Yes MLG might need some more females, but lowering the prices isnt the correct answer.
I'm not going to stand obstinate to my idea but I'd appreciate to hear yours
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Why is this in any way, shape or form necessary. Girls don't get a discount at any sports matches... and most of the time they just don't go (in my experience). If it doesn't interest them, it doesn't interest them... and making the entrance fee cheaper isn't going to get your girlfriend interested in Starcraft all of a sudden.
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On January 17 2012 23:48 Tenks wrote:
As anyone knows who has gone to an MLG event the event is disproportionately populated by males. While I attended MLG Columbus last year I drug my girlfriend along.
You drugged your girlfriend to go to MLG Columbus with you? :D
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Passes are for people enjoying the event or being genuinely curious enough to give it a try. Lowering prices won't spark people's interest if they aren't into gaming in the first place, regardless of gender.
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On January 17 2012 23:55 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
The idea is right, the method is wrong. Yes MLG might need some more females, but lowering the prices isnt the correct answer.
Can you explain to me why MLG "needs" more females? fair enough it would be great if more people generally came to MLG (Male or Female) but I don't understand why it specifically needs to be females. These thought processes people have are actually frustrating. Yes ok, E-sports is male dominant but that doesn't mean we HAVE to unfairly give females advantages to get them involved in the industry, if they like e-sports that much then they will go out of their own way and spend their time on it, if they don't, they don't.
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I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them.
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Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden.
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On January 18 2012 00:01 Jiddra wrote:
Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden.
I'd assume so. Most bars on a designated day of the week waive cover and offer discounted drinks for females.
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Male Population: 51%
Female Population: 49%
...ähmmm JUST NO?!
MLG |= Party-Club.
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On January 18 2012 00:02 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:01 Jiddra wrote:
Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden. I'd assume so. Most bars on a designated day of the week waive cover and offer discounted drinks for females.
Ok, such things are illegal here.
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On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them.
Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event.
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While I do think that the discounted rate thing is a tad silly, I do think that MLG should try and cater more to gamer's friends and family at the event. There should be more extra-starcrafticular events and offerings, similar to what the Stride booth does now. There's no reason that friends and family shouldn't enjoy themselves too, and I think that that is the deeper issue you're trying to get at.
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They should set a price per-seat.
That way you can bring anyone else free; as long as they sit on your lap.
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On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event.
Well so could some of the apm of those players there. Don't be discriminating alligators, I would totally welcome an alligator to sit beside me during the event.
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This is just blatant sexism, i'm completely lost and kind of appalled by this. MLG is not a party club. Why do people want to get women interested in esports by just throwing money at them anyways?
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On January 18 2012 00:06 confusedcrib wrote:
While I do think that the discounted rate thing is a tad silly, I do think that MLG should try and cater more to gamer's friends and family at the event. There should be more extra-starcrafticular events and offerings, similar to what the Stride booth does now. There's no reason that friends and family shouldn't enjoy themselves too, and I think that that is the deeper issue you're trying to get at.
Fair point. If they added more activities outside of just standing around watching Starcraft that would work as well. However I assumed simply discounting the price would be easier than adding a bunch of non-eSports stuff.
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On January 18 2012 00:06 Klive5ive wrote:
They should set a price per-seat.
That way you can bring anyone else free; as long as they sit on your lap.
Terrible idea, some of us Canadians don't exactly fit on a single seat. With that policy, we'd have to pay double.
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On January 18 2012 00:06 confusedcrib wrote:
While I do think that the discounted rate thing is a tad silly, I do think that MLG should try and cater more to gamer's friends and family at the event. There should be more extra-starcrafticular events and offerings, similar to what the Stride booth does now. There's no reason that friends and family shouldn't enjoy themselves too, and I think that that is the deeper issue you're trying to get at.
...No its not, he said what issue he was trying to get at. Get more chicks to the event by making it cheaper, cause Starcraft is boring to them.
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On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event.
Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them?
On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for.
Still get the discount, none of the discrimination
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Starcraft is about whining about imbalance and orgasming at players harassing each other digitally, not girls. Go to a club for that. MLG really doesn't need 'more girls'. But it does need 'more attendees' and 'more publicity'.
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On January 18 2012 00:09 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event. Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them? On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for. Still get the discount, none of the discrimination
I thought of that as well but rarely do you see people there by themselves. Most people would just buy a 1+1 pass for him and his buddy. So it wouldn't really solve the problem I was trying to address.
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On January 18 2012 00:09 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event. Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them? On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for. Still get the discount, none of the discrimination
Nah when your in your game, you are really focused on your game at these events, there is so much background noise etc that you have to drown out I doubt I would notice if someone got into a fight right behind me. I think that this is a bad idea, and that females should be treated the same. If they wanted to come they would pay the price of entry, I've played vs all female halo teams at these events before that got sponsored cause they were female, yet we beat them and moved on, however we payed our own way. So being male is not always advantageous at these events money wise unless your the best and have sponsors.
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On January 18 2012 00:11 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:09 Hassybaby wrote:On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event. Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them? On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for. Still get the discount, none of the discrimination I thought of that as well but rarely do you see people there by themselves. Most people would just buy a 1+1 pass for him and his buddy. So it wouldn't really solve the problem I was trying to address.
Um yes it does? You go with your girlfriend and the two of you get a discount? If you mean single girls, then wtf, why would you care about single girls going? They don't go because they're not interested. They wouldn't go if it was free if they weren't interested.
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On January 18 2012 00:09 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event. Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them? On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for. Still get the discount, none of the discrimination
However, I haven't really seen a 2011 MLG event struggle with low numbers of visitors. Would be really bad business to lower prices to sold out events.
= Will never happen, boy or girl.
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On January 18 2012 00:12 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:09 Hassybaby wrote:On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event. Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them? On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for. Still get the discount, none of the discrimination Nah when your in your game, you are really focused on your game at these events, there is so much background noise etc that you have to drown out I doubt I would notice if someone got into a fight right behind me. I think that this is a bad idea, and that females should be treated the same. If they wanted to come they would pay the price of entry, I've played vs all female halo teams at these events before that got sponsored cause they were female, yet we beat them and moved on, however we payed our own way. So being male is not always advantageous at these events money wise unless your the best and have sponsors.
No background noise does matter, it means you're getting proxied. As happened in many occasions. 
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No, bad idea. If a girl is really genuinely interested she will pay up anyway.
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On January 18 2012 00:10 Louis8k8 wrote:
Starcraft is about whining about imbalance and orgasming at players harassing each other digitally, not girls. Go to a club for that. MLG really doesn't need 'more girls'. But it does need 'more attendees' and 'more publicity'.
Fact: EVERYTHING gets better the more attractive girls are around. This is common knowledge, and not very surprising either.
I'm totally for this babes pass idea
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What about having more of a motivation for the better half to also be there? Like the play-rooms at stores where the children can play.. A pedicure/manicure play-room where they can wash of the nerdiness for a while..
Joke of course.
I don't see this discount thing happening. Difficult to implement. Perhaps something like a "family pass" could be feasible but it would be difficult with girlfriend/boyfriends that are not married as it would be easily abused.
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On January 18 2012 00:14 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:09 Hassybaby wrote:On January 18 2012 00:03 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them. Don't be ridiculous, alligators are a hazard to everyone there, and could likely eat some of the cables that power the event. Dude, girls are a hazard to MLG as well. Do you think nerds will be able to concentrate as well with more females around them? On topic, its an intersting idea, but you could easily just make it a 1+1 thing, as opposed to straight up giving girls a discount. Just say that buying a ticket gives you a discount for a second ticket, whoever it is for. Still get the discount, none of the discrimination However, I haven't really seen a 2011 MLG event struggle with low numbers of visitors. Would be really bad business to lower prices to sold out events. = Will never happen, boy or girl.
They're not struggling like as if they're going out of business, but more business makes anyone smile (indifferent to the consumer). I would like all 7 billion of us in there.
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ehm this sounds horrible.
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I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance.
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I support this.. But only for participants of the wet t-shirt contest and the mud wrestling.
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On January 18 2012 00:16 ShotgunMike wrote:
What about having more of a motivation for the better half to also be there? Like the play-rooms at stores where the children can play.. A pedicure/manicure play-room where they can wash of the nerdiness for a while..
Joke of course.
I don't see this discount thing happening. Difficult to implement. Perhaps something like a "family pass" could be feasible but it would be difficult with girlfriend/boyfriends that are not married as it would be easily abused.
If I was MLG quality, I would wish my parents to see me play for a discount. tbh. Family passes sounds better than female passes.
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On January 18 2012 00:18 Velr wrote:
I support this.. But only for participants of the wet t-shirt contest and the mud wrestling.
I change my mind, I totally support this.
er double post @__@" mea culpa
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Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her.
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Not sure why it'd need to be gender specific, why not just a +1 pass if at all? Covers gay guys who might be in a similar situation that way and no-one needs to feel bad at being "the wrong gender" for a discount.
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I don't think creating incentives for people who do not want to be at an event is very productive.
I rather see MLG invest money into creating good deals for returning customers or supporting BarCraft's across the world.
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I think they're going to get a ton of shit for sexism if something like this happens. I just think it's not a good idea. I get your premise, but way too many people will get upset about it.
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On January 18 2012 00:21 Mindor wrote:
Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her.
Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people.
Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate.
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I wanna bring my cat to the next MLG. Pet passes are the obvious choice imo.
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I'm more interested in seeing how much MLG think they can raise the price during 2012 and still get full venues. As a business MLGs golden goal is getting the price just right, not as low as possible.
With sold out venues, any kind of discount that wouldn't include silver/gold members would be strange.
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On January 18 2012 00:25 Tenks wrote:
Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate.
Maybe bus pass-like? Like here in toronto, it's 2 adults and 6 children. '2 Adults' doesn't exclude homosexuals but it does exclude group sausage fests.
*EDIT.. wait most of us aren't children. I guess it's hard to bring your bro's and sis' and parents too... D: ignore what i said.
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On January 18 2012 00:06 confusedcrib wrote:
While I do think that the discounted rate thing is a tad silly, I do think that MLG should try and cater more to gamer's friends and family at the event. There should be more extra-starcrafticular events and offerings, similar to what the Stride booth does now. There's no reason that friends and family shouldn't enjoy themselves too, and I think that that is the deeper issue you're trying to get at.
I think that confusedcrib hit the nail on the head here. It is better to make it so those who are reluctant to come go and have a good time rather than giving them a discount to have a bad time.
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On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism
It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism.
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Why not?
By being born as the right gender they have definitely earned all the discounts.
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On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance.
Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys.
"I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf?
You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community.
On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism.
Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess.
That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination ....
If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell.
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On January 18 2012 00:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:21 Mindor wrote:
Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her. Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people. Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate.
Then the thread should be about hourly passes or something...You get a card when going in and pay for however long you've spent there when you check out. What I got from your initial post is that you want to bring your bored to death GF as an armcandy along for a lowered price. And all that for the good of esports to balance the m/f ratio.
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Terrible idea. As if we didn't have enough problems when it comes to genders and our community. This male/female crap is getting old, really fast. Can't we just accept the fact that no matter what gender we are born, we are the one community, after all? Because that is only thing, which should matter.
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Probably prices should be reduced relation to the girl's hotness, let's say 10s get in for free, 9s only pay 10 percent of the actual prize, 8s 20 percent and so on... In order to evaluate the girls we would only need some dudes at the entrance that are willing to judge people based on their outside appearence. Those guys won't be hard to find.
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This isn't a club or a bar.. Its an SC2 event.. And even then, I don't think lower prices will do anything other than bring more girlfriends to MLGs who don't really want to be there, over the regular esports crowd.
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I want to bring my pet bear, why can't there be a bear pass? Sure he might distract some people, or maul someone, or get in a fight with incontrol, but he really wants to learn about SC2, and I think its ridiculous I have to pay full price to bring my pet bear to MLG.
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Wow for real? This is insulting to me, a female who loved MLG Providence more than my husband. Can I get a discount for him? *sigh* so much for community respect.
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On January 18 2012 00:42 Mindor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:25 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:21 Mindor wrote:
Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her. Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people. Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate. Then the thread should be about hourly passes or something...You get a card when going in and pay for however long you've spent there when you check out. What I got from your initial post is that you want to bring your bored to death GF as an armcandy along for a lowered price. And all that for the good of esports to balance the m/f ratio.
UCK. How many young males are here? Really?
I was with my GF at IEM and ESP why? BEcause we like to spent time with each other. Who did pay? Well, me.
Do i need to show off? I guess after 6 years of relationship: no.
Why do I pay? Because it is just fair that i pay if I AM the one who gets most out of it.
Did she liked it in the end? Yes. Would she pay the full price for MLGs and such? No. Why? Because she JUST liked it.
Why would I pay full price? Because i fuckin LOVE it.
On January 18 2012 00:46 Zaranth wrote:
Wow for real? This is insulting to me, a female who loved MLG Providence more than my husband. Can I get a discount for him? *sigh* so much for community respect.
You are just ignorant to 99% of the female community who don't like out of nowhere to go to eSports events ... grats for being ignorant.
edit: editted out some rage.
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the female market is not big enough for mlg to waste resources to implement such stuff.
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Just untie more buttons od Day9's shirt, that should work.
And I really find it more apropiate than reduced prizes.
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On January 18 2012 00:46 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:42 Mindor wrote:On January 18 2012 00:25 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:21 Mindor wrote:
Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her. Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people. Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate. Then the thread should be about hourly passes or something...You get a card when going in and pay for however long you've spent there when you check out. What I got from your initial post is that you want to bring your bored to death GF as an armcandy along for a lowered price. And all that for the good of esports to balance the m/f ratio. FUCK. How many virigins are here? Really? I was with my GF at IEM and ESP why? BEcause we like to spent time with each other. Who did pay? Well, me. Do i need to show off? I guess after 6 years of relationship: no. Why do I pay? Because it is just fair that i pay if I AM the one who gets most out of it.
Although from the input of the thread I'm starting to realize this probably isn't a good idea but I am kind of shocked by the amount of people that don't understand my GF is also my best friend. I don't take her places to "show off" I take her places because I enjoy her company.
Also the amount of comparisons to your pets being the same as a girlfriend ... I just don't even know what to say. Girls aren't a different species completely. She isn't my pet nor property. She is just the person I choose to spend a ton of time with and tries to support my interests. If I have to fork over the cash for two passes to MLG I'll do it regardless of the price. I just thought it would be a nice gesture to try and get the ill represented gender in the door.
However I'm now on board with this being probably a bad idea. So if the admins wish to close/lock this thread feel free.
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On January 18 2012 00:50 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:46 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:42 Mindor wrote:On January 18 2012 00:25 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:21 Mindor wrote:
Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her. Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people. Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate. Then the thread should be about hourly passes or something...You get a card when going in and pay for however long you've spent there when you check out. What I got from your initial post is that you want to bring your bored to death GF as an armcandy along for a lowered price. And all that for the good of esports to balance the m/f ratio. FUCK. How many virigins are here? Really? I was with my GF at IEM and ESP why? BEcause we like to spent time with each other. Who did pay? Well, me. Do i need to show off? I guess after 6 years of relationship: no. Why do I pay? Because it is just fair that i pay if I AM the one who gets most out of it. Although from the input of the thread I'm starting to realize this probably isn't a good idea but I am kind of shocked by the amount of people that don't understand my GF is also my best friend. I don't take her places to "show off" I take her places because I enjoy her company. Also the amount of comparisons to your pets being the same as a girlfriend ... I just don't even know what to say. Girls aren't a different species completely. She isn't my pet nor property. She is just the person I choose to spend a ton of time with and tries to support my interests. If I have to fork over the cash for two passes to MLG I'll do it regardless of the price. I just thought it would be a nice gesture to try and get the ill represented gender in the door. However I'm now on board with this being probably a bad idea. So if the admins wish to close/lock this thread feel free.
Sad that you don't stand to it anymore because of a shitstorm of ... am i allowed to say nerds here?
And due to the fact they compare GFs to pets i guess you and me can imagine how much they would like to have a GF who is their best friend 
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There are tons of people that value their pet more than humans/even relatives.
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On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell.
So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary?
To even bring up handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling.
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On January 18 2012 00:52 sopas wrote:
There are tons of people that value their pet more than humans/even relatives.
What a sophisticated argument. Why are there so many trolls out on the internet?
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On January 18 2012 00:52 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:50 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:46 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:42 Mindor wrote:On January 18 2012 00:25 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:21 Mindor wrote:
Uhm, stop living in the middle ages and don't pay for her if she wants to go with. Or stop bitching if you make her go just to show off. I really don't see any other point in bringing an unintrested SO to such an event other than to establish your masculinity...It's not like she'll magically understand SC from watching it on the bigscreen and hearing a ton of inside jokes that might seem like a foreign language to her. Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people. Maybe the idea of a family pass is a better idea. However I don't see how you wouldn't have a group of 4 guys just buy a family pass at a cheaper rate. Then the thread should be about hourly passes or something...You get a card when going in and pay for however long you've spent there when you check out. What I got from your initial post is that you want to bring your bored to death GF as an armcandy along for a lowered price. And all that for the good of esports to balance the m/f ratio. FUCK. How many virigins are here? Really? I was with my GF at IEM and ESP why? BEcause we like to spent time with each other. Who did pay? Well, me. Do i need to show off? I guess after 6 years of relationship: no. Why do I pay? Because it is just fair that i pay if I AM the one who gets most out of it. Although from the input of the thread I'm starting to realize this probably isn't a good idea but I am kind of shocked by the amount of people that don't understand my GF is also my best friend. I don't take her places to "show off" I take her places because I enjoy her company. Also the amount of comparisons to your pets being the same as a girlfriend ... I just don't even know what to say. Girls aren't a different species completely. She isn't my pet nor property. She is just the person I choose to spend a ton of time with and tries to support my interests. If I have to fork over the cash for two passes to MLG I'll do it regardless of the price. I just thought it would be a nice gesture to try and get the ill represented gender in the door. However I'm now on board with this being probably a bad idea. So if the admins wish to close/lock this thread feel free. Sad that you don't stand to it anymore because of a shitstorm of ... am i allowed to say nerds here? And due to the fact they compare GFs to pets i guess you and me can imagine how much they would like to have a GF who is their best friend
Meh we're all nerds here. You can't actively read TL and not be one
It's a shame though. My GF has a bunch of friends who absolutely adore nerds and nerd culture I could probably bring to the event for a few hours to check it out and get accustomed to the eSports culture. Not going to pay $40 to do it, though
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On January 18 2012 00:46 Zaranth wrote:
Wow for real? This is insulting to me, a female who loved MLG Providence more than my husband. Can I get a discount for him? *sigh* so much for community respect.
Well since most if not all the posters disagree with the OP, shouldn't that be a good thing?
I can see why you are mad on the OP but don't group the whole community with him since most disagree.
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On January 18 2012 00:53 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:52 sopas wrote:
There are tons of people that value their pet more than humans/even relatives. What a sophisticated argument. Why are there so many trolls out on the internet?
Funny how you took it as an argument and felt the need to attack. It is merely a fact.
Look it up if u have time to waste.
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On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling.
Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it?
And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them.
So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so.*
Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no.
edit: *who is interested: the argument in that case would be to get the attention of females by making a special offer. Everyone who just took a brief look into ANY marketingbook would know how normal that is.
"buy one, get one free", "sell your old care to us and get bonus for a new one" etcetetcetcetcetc
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On January 18 2012 00:47 littlemozart7 wrote:
the female market is not big enough for mlg to waste resources to implement such stuff.
The male market is big enough that it's worth it to MLG to add more females. ; )
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On January 18 2012 00:55 HoMM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:47 littlemozart7 wrote:
the female market is not big enough for mlg to waste resources to implement such stuff. The male market is big enough that it's worth it to MLG to add more females. ; )
At least someone who understands marketing.
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I would like to go to the next MLG with my cat. It would be nice if there was an option to purchase a pet pass at a discounted rate.
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MLG would be full of grannies who got bored of TV shows...
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On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no.
So explain in englis so we can understand then.
And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others.
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MLG is not a club, its an event. Does the NFL give free passes to ladies for all home games? No they don't. I do get the idea that a lot of girls are going to events to support there boyfriends, but still it makes no sense to let them in cheaper just to get some eye candy. If MLG wanted to have more eye candy walking around, they would hire girls.
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I don't really see the point of bringing non-starcraft enthusiasts to an MLG. The events are much better because you know everyone there is into starcraft in a pretty big way or they wouldn't be there.
The biggest cost when bringing your significant other along is always travel costs anyway. $10-20 off the pass doesn't make a difference when you're looking at an extra $200 plane ticket etc.
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On January 18 2012 00:06 Klive5ive wrote:
They should set a price per-seat.
That way you can bring anyone else free; as long as they sit on your lap.
I instinctively went for the upvote button. Then I realized TL isn't Reddit.
Have 1000 internets for making my morning, good sir!
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On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others.
Since i was referring to a german I don't feel the need to explain it.
And you should maybe read my posts. Did i say it was discrimination considering smokers?
And what did i say THE SENTECE BEFORE THAT?
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On January 18 2012 00:55 HoMM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:47 littlemozart7 wrote:
the female market is not big enough for mlg to waste resources to implement such stuff. The male market is big enough that it's worth it to MLG to add more females. ; )
Not if the venue is full at max price! 
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Price should be the same for everyone, male of female.
If you want to attract more females : organise stuff that females are more interested in.
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I really hope this is a troll thread. If it isn't you are really saying something about your girlfriend if you think she is not worth the actually ticket price. What about chicks who are really into eSports? They get half off just because they have a vagina? Thats ridiculous.
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Money isn't the reason why girls don't go to SC2 events, so lowering the price of tickets wouldn't make much of a difference.
And if she's your girlfriend and you're inviting her, you should be paying for her anyway so the cost to her is irrelevant.
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On January 18 2012 00:59 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. Since i was referring to a german I don't feel the need to explain it. And you should maybe read my posts. Did i say it was discrimination considering smokers? And what did i say THE SENTECE BEFORE THAT?
You are missing the point, there are based arguments considering this kind of discrimination. You are just raging over something, that is apparantly in german and need no explanation.
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On January 18 2012 00:58 HeeroFX wrote:
MLG is not a club, its an event. Does the NFL give free passes to ladies for all home games? No they don't. I do get the idea that a lot of girls are going to events to support there boyfriends, but still it makes no sense to let them in cheaper just to get some eye candy. If MLG wanted to have more eye candy walking around, they would hire girls.
On January 18 2012 01:00 TheLOLas wrote:
I really hope this is a troll thread. If it isn't you are really saying something about your girlfriend if you think she is not worth the actually ticket price. What about chicks who are really into eSports? They get half off just because they have a vagina? Thats ridiculous.
K, you guys are "killing eSports".
Eye Candy? Did you read the OP? I guess not.
Hire girls? You are the real dick sir.
On January 18 2012 01:01 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:59 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. Since i was referring to a german I don't feel the need to explain it. And you should maybe read my posts. Did i say it was discrimination considering smokers? And what did i say THE SENTECE BEFORE THAT? You are missing the point, there are based arguments considering this kind of discrimination. You are just raging over something, that is apparantly in german and need no explanation.
Since you say I am raging about something "in german" I assume u still dont read my posts so ill stop replying to you.
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On January 17 2012 23:48 Tenks wrote:As anyone knows who has gone to an MLG event the event is disproportionately populated by males. While I attended MLG Columbus last year I drug my girlfriend along. Being a good sport she agreed. From my general observation at the event the only females there were in the same situation as me. Simply coming along as a good gesture to their boyfriends. + Show Spoiler +The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. It would be nice if there was an option to purchase a ladies pass at a discounted rate. Not only for a 1+1 situation but maybe make the idea of coming to an MLG as a lady, not attached to a male, more appealing due to the lower price of entrance. I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink instead of the MLG red as well. The precedent is set already at bars which have a ladies night to try and even the numbers.
I feel like if I could purchase a pass for my girlfriend at a discounted rate it would be easier for me, on a personal level, to have her just come and go as she pleases from the event. She was very lethargic and, honestly, bored during the second day of the event.
Anyways just a suggestion. Thanks for reading.
Yep its definitely illegal to drug someone.
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It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount.
I oppose the idea.
Also;
I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink
lol.
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While the precedent is there there's absolutely 0% chance of this happening. I think enough people in the SC2 community would be pissed that there'd be no economic reason to apply this.
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On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:Also; lol.
Any clue about ecnomics and marekting in general? No? K. I do, I work with and around it.
You won't even believe how much coloring affects females especially. And if there were a said reduce you could just say the production company to give you 10% pink wriststrap for a cost which will only affect fixed costs (they would "just" need to stop machines for several seconds, switch the program and run it again, depending on the output it would be a small amount of %-spending).
On January 18 2012 01:09 SimDawg wrote:
While the precedent is there there's absolutely 0% chance of this happening. I think enough people in the SC2 community would be pissed that there'd be no economic reason to apply this.
So you say that you don't want that eSports will once be accepted in western cultures. How can that help the growth of said economy?
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On January 18 2012 01:10 bluQ wrote:
So you say that you don't want that eSports will once be accepted in western cultures. How can that help the growth of said economy?
I'm assuming you're just German, but yeah, you need to put together a coherent sentence if you want to argue.
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This would be a great idea. I could afford to bring all 6 of my ladies. It's about time they met anyways.
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On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; lol.
The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink
Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma.
I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it.
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I would have thought she would be lethargic if you'd drugged her. Seriously thought, if she didn't enjoy it, why bother going again?
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On January 18 2012 01:13 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:10 bluQ wrote:
So you say that you don't want that eSports will once be accepted in western cultures. How can that help the growth of said economy? I'm assuming you're just German, but yeah, you need to put together a coherent sentence if you want to argue.
"Just". Lovly.
Is it now my fault that u are incapable of abstracting? Or to take it down to your niveau: Mabye you can't abstract because u are American.
Did you maybe ever wondered that acceptance of a thing is needed to grow it in a market?
Or to put it in your words: Try to market electric-charis in europe.
User was warned for this post
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So, go email mlg that. Not like we can change that. But I think its kinda dumb.
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On January 17 2012 23:53 Tomfour wrote:
How about Ladies free before 11:00pm? Oh wait, forgot MLG isn't a club...
This guy... LOL
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I think this is a bad idea this would just add to the number of awkward couples who can't enjoy themselves because the lady isn't interested enough in esports to buy her own ticket.
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On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it.
I don't see how you logically get from gender balance to societal stigma. There's tons and tons of things that are done by 1 gender. Some of these have stigmas, some don't (compulsive shopping, celebrity gawking, playing recreational sports are just a few)
I personally disagree there's a need for this. But more generally do you really expect MLG to do this because of eSports? They're cutting costs like mad, they have a business to run, and this does not get them more revenue/exposure or anything of that nature.
Edit: typos
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On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it.
It is nice to read your posts in this thread. You are one of the few who actually try to put up arguments.
I don't even know if you know anything about econimics but as it seems you could easly live up to a 4th semester marketing student with your way of thinking. And you are 100% right.
But maybe it is part of this community that they don't want "outsiders" to join their "comfort-zone", which is pretty sad.
On January 18 2012 01:19 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it. I don't see how you logically get from gender balance to societal stigma. There's tons and tons of things that are done by 1 gender. Some of these have stigmas, some don't (compulsive shopping, celebrity gawking, playing recreational sports are just a few) I personally disagree there's a need for this. But more generally do you really expect MLG to do this because of eSports? They're cutting costs like mad, they have a business to run, and this does not get them more revenue/exposure or anything of that nature. Edit: typos
So to present your product to a bigger variety of consumers makes u earn less? Tell that some marketing-director please and record his laugh.
Why he arguments in terms of gender? Because eSports shouldn't be male dominant. eSports is imo one of the few Sports where it doesn't matter if you are male and female. By being as ignorant as most ppl in this thread are, you guys seem to force onto eSports that it should be male dominant. Sad.
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I suppose it is possible to introduce a family pass and "couple" pass. Although with their venue constantly overflowing already, i dont see why they would want to do so. Not sure MLG care too much about the nerd to chick ratio at an event. Maybe if the venue was much bigger and they have other sideshows that catered to the other demographics other than young male between 15-30, then this kind of extra catering can happen.
Right now, it just doesnt make any economic sense to give discounts when seats are already all sold out at full price.
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The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth.
If you drag her to an event, which you know she isn't interested in all that much, you should probably care more about her getting at least some entertainment, than you getting your money's worth.
After all she came with you because she cares about you, so you could probably be less egoistic and also care a little about her. And by that I do not mean, that you ask for her to cost less money, so letting her go doesn't hurt your wallet that much.
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On January 18 2012 01:21 DMII wrote:Show nested quote +The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. If you drag her to an event, which you know she isn't interested in all that much, you should probably care more about her getting at least some entertainment, than you getting your money's worth. After all she came with you because she cares about you, so you could probably be less egoistic and also care a little about her. And by that I do not mean, that you ask for her to cost less money, so letting her go doesn't hurt your wallet that much.
Erm, trolling? You ever been into a relationship longer than 3 month? It has NOTHING to with egoistic, no it is even the opposite of what you claim it to be.
Unless you consider trying to share what someone love in a relationship is egoistic.
But I guess i should refrain from posting and reading this thread anymore because it will just demolish my expectations of eSports and this community in general.
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On January 18 2012 01:19 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it. I don't see how you logically get from gender balance to societal stigma. There's tons and tons of things that are done by 1 gender. Some of these have stigmas, some don't (compulsive shopping, celebrity gawking, playing recreational sports are just a few) I personally disagree there's a need for this. But more generally do you really expect MLG to do this because of eSports? They're cutting costs like mad, they have a business to run, and this does not get them more revenue/exposure or anything of that nature. Edit: typos
MLG stands to make alot of money if they can present eSports for mainstream consumption. Professional sports makes billions upon billions of dollars. Mainly through TV deals with the likes of CBS, NBC, ESPN and the likes. If MLG can show ESPN that there is a desire for consumption of their product they have already positioned themselves as the premier organization for North American eSports. They would be the logical choice for something like ESPN to pick up.
So my basic argument is MLG stands to make a ton of money by promoting eSports in general and removing social stigmas
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FUCK. How many young males are here? Really?
I was with my GF at IEM and ESP why? BEcause we like to spent time with each other. Who did pay? Well, me.
Do i need to show off? I guess after 6 years of relationship: no.
Why do I pay? Because it is just fair that i pay if I AM the one who gets most out of it.
Did she liked it in the end? Yes. Would she pay the full price for MLGs and such? No. Why? Because she JUST liked it.
Why would I pay full price? Because i fuckin LOVE it.
I'm not even sure where to start...She's not doing ESP or IEM (or MLG in the OP's case) a favour by going somewhere she doesn't want to but you. It's not the organiser's job to make it cost less for you.
I hate places that discriminate on prices based on sex, because I can't go there with friends some of whom happen to be males without feeling bad that they pay three times the entrance fee as females. (After 6 years in a relationship you can obviously let it slide, but it's a really awkward thing when you just start out and don't want to be 'kept' as a girl. Due to the system, it's still the guy paying.)
So, the fact that discounts based on sex exist doesn't mean that it's okay and that it should be promoted.
Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:46 Zaranth wrote:
Wow for real? This is insulting to me, a female who loved MLG Providence more than my husband. Can I get a discount for him? *sigh* so much for community respect. You are just ignorant to 99% of the female community who don't like out of nowhere to go to eSports events ... grats for being ignorant. edit: editted out some rage.
About 95% of the male population is ignorant to esports, Should they get discount to go to an event as well?
Being labeled as an inferior person who can't even pay for their entertainment the same way a male can is not fun. Try to regard it from our POV after getting over the whole initial 'it's cheaper, all the better for me' argument.
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On January 18 2012 01:21 DMII wrote:Show nested quote +The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. If you drag her to an event, which you know she isn't interested in all that much, you should probably care more about her getting at least some entertainment, than you getting your money's worth. After all she came with you because she cares about you, so you could probably be less egoistic and also care a little about her. And by that I do not mean, that you ask for her to cost less money, so letting her go doesn't hurt your wallet that much.
Go alone and spent the money on a nice dinner, which she is going to appreciate much more than sitting between thousands of nerds.
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On January 18 2012 01:24 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:19 SimDawg wrote:On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it. I don't see how you logically get from gender balance to societal stigma. There's tons and tons of things that are done by 1 gender. Some of these have stigmas, some don't (compulsive shopping, celebrity gawking, playing recreational sports are just a few) I personally disagree there's a need for this. But more generally do you really expect MLG to do this because of eSports? They're cutting costs like mad, they have a business to run, and this does not get them more revenue/exposure or anything of that nature. Edit: typos MLG stands to make alot of money if they can present eSports for mainstream consumption. Professional sports makes billions upon billions of dollars. Mainly through TV deals with the likes of CBS, NBC, ESPN and the likes. If MLG can show ESPN that there is a desire for consumption of their product they have already positioned themselves as the premier organization for North American eSports. They would be the logical choice for something like ESPN to pick up. So my basic argument is MLG stands to make a ton of money by promoting eSports in general and removing social stigmas
Can you be my next girlfriend if mine leaves me? I like intelligent beings. I would even consider being the girl-part.
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On January 18 2012 01:26 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:24 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:19 SimDawg wrote:On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it. I don't see how you logically get from gender balance to societal stigma. There's tons and tons of things that are done by 1 gender. Some of these have stigmas, some don't (compulsive shopping, celebrity gawking, playing recreational sports are just a few) I personally disagree there's a need for this. But more generally do you really expect MLG to do this because of eSports? They're cutting costs like mad, they have a business to run, and this does not get them more revenue/exposure or anything of that nature. Edit: typos MLG stands to make alot of money if they can present eSports for mainstream consumption. Professional sports makes billions upon billions of dollars. Mainly through TV deals with the likes of CBS, NBC, ESPN and the likes. If MLG can show ESPN that there is a desire for consumption of their product they have already positioned themselves as the premier organization for North American eSports. They would be the logical choice for something like ESPN to pick up. So my basic argument is MLG stands to make a ton of money by promoting eSports in general and removing social stigmas Can you be my next girlfriend if mine leaves me? I like intelligent beings. I would even consider being the girl-part.
It would never work. We'd both be dudes. How would I get a discount on a second MLG ticket? ^_^
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Top Gear audience tickets are free, but a condition is that all tickets are awarded in male+female pairings.
Sausage fest succesfully discouraged.
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On January 17 2012 23:48 Tenks wrote:
As anyone knows who has gone to an MLG event the event is disproportionately populated by males. While I attended MLG Columbus last year I drug my girlfriend along. Being a good sport she agreed. From my general observation at the event the only females there were in the same situation as me. Simply coming along as a good gesture to their boyfriends.
The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. It would be nice if there was an option to purchase a ladies pass at a discounted rate. Not only for a 1+1 situation but maybe make the idea of coming to an MLG as a lady, not attached to a male, more appealing due to the lower price of entrance. I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink instead of the MLG red as well. The precedent is set already at bars which have a ladies night to try and even the numbers.
I feel like if I could purchase a pass for my girlfriend at a discounted rate it would be easier for me, on a personal level, to have her just come and go as she pleases from the event. She was very lethargic and, honestly, bored during the second day of the event.
Anyways just a suggestion. Thanks for reading.
Seriously!? This one of the worst things I have read and its insulting to every lady in the starcraft community. I know many ladies who went to events like MLG. Now while bars and clubs give discounts to ladies or have ladies night, they also make a profit off the drinks sold. However MLG sales tickets for people to GET into the event. Many females are actually interested in the game and dont want special treatment just because of their gender. Now what you could do is suggest to the MLG for a group discount. IE: If 2 people want to go together, lets say a couple, then maybe they can offer a discount for buying 2 tickets at once. They could also apply this to like friends who want to go together. For example, lets say John and 4 of his friends want to go to MLG. Now if they all pull their money together and have 1 person buy all of their tickets, then maybe MLG could offer them a discount deal for buying more then one ticket at a time. Not because of their gender though. Now please stop suggesting such insulting things like selling tickets based on gender!
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On January 18 2012 00:15 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:10 Louis8k8 wrote:
Starcraft is about whining about imbalance and orgasming at players harassing each other digitally, not girls. Go to a club for that. MLG really doesn't need 'more girls'. But it does need 'more attendees' and 'more publicity'. Fact: EVERYTHING gets better the more attractive girls are around. This is common knowledge, and not very surprising either. I'm totally for this babes pass idea
I totally agree with him. If marines were hot girls, everyone but sadists would play terran.
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Oh great idea let's do that! And then we put them on the front row to show how eSports can change! Then maybe we can have new discounts for gay people and have them wear a rainbow pinkstrap.
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On January 18 2012 00:01 Jiddra wrote:
Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden.
I wish the US used the Swedish system as a blueprint. Some kinds of discrimination are perfectly legal and in fact sometimes its the law that you have to discriminate.
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I'm totally sure I could still pick up mad chicks at an MLG.
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Girls and girl gamers want equality, give them discounts.
Oh you guys....
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On January 18 2012 01:28 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:26 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 01:24 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:19 SimDawg wrote:On January 18 2012 01:14 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 01:06 phanto wrote:It's easy to cut lines and get into night clubs etc as girls... but since people don't go to MLG to score chicks so I don't see why there's a need for a gender balance or discount. I oppose the idea. Also; I'm sure she'd also love having a wrist strap in a shade of pink lol. The pink thing was kind of an afterthought haha ^^ She actually doesn't care for the color pink Anyways the reason I thought a gender balance would be a good idea because until eSports stops becoming a male dominated sport it will always have this stigma of being a bunch of socially awkward neckbeards getting together and playing video games. I know it isn't true, you know it isn't true but I think society as a whole believes it is very much true. However if we could get to a better gender proportion it would help alleviate this stigma. I actually had to leave for about half of Day 02 at MLG Columbus because I was also participating in this thing called Warrior Dash. Basically it is a huge obstical course. It was pretty fun. Anyways you are on teams which was basically a bunch of my girlfriend's friends and some of their friends and/or boyfriends. They saw my and her MLG passes and I could tell by the looks on their face they thought it was awkward. Remembering back to Day9 saying you should never be overly defensive about the subject I just started going on and on about how cool it was and how happy I was to finally attend an MLG. They seemed to start warming up to the idea that it may actually be a pretty fun event. From personal anecdotal evidence there does seem to be a stigma for eSports that is alive and well. I'd think addressing the gender disparity would be a good first step to alleviate this problem. SC2 will never gain mainstream appeal while there are are a bunch of people blindly hating on it. I don't see how you logically get from gender balance to societal stigma. There's tons and tons of things that are done by 1 gender. Some of these have stigmas, some don't (compulsive shopping, celebrity gawking, playing recreational sports are just a few) I personally disagree there's a need for this. But more generally do you really expect MLG to do this because of eSports? They're cutting costs like mad, they have a business to run, and this does not get them more revenue/exposure or anything of that nature. Edit: typos MLG stands to make alot of money if they can present eSports for mainstream consumption. Professional sports makes billions upon billions of dollars. Mainly through TV deals with the likes of CBS, NBC, ESPN and the likes. If MLG can show ESPN that there is a desire for consumption of their product they have already positioned themselves as the premier organization for North American eSports. They would be the logical choice for something like ESPN to pick up. So my basic argument is MLG stands to make a ton of money by promoting eSports in general and removing social stigmas Can you be my next girlfriend if mine leaves me? I like intelligent beings. I would even consider being the girl-part. It would never work. We'd both be dudes. How would I get a discount on a second MLG ticket? ^_^
To be around with such an intelligent being I would even consider to grow my hair and do some smaller surgeries <3
On January 18 2012 01:32 Jojo131 wrote:
Girls and girl gamers want equality, give them discounts.
Oh you guys....
Not true. I know A LOT of girls who would prove you wrong and not only by actions but cause of their inteligence.
Oh wait I guess TossGirl did the interviewing thing to prove her equality ... and thats because she got so many views on the said interview ... rrrrrriiiight.
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On January 18 2012 ... ... Tenks wrote:
Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people.
Get her together with the girls who DO go to the events then - she will have people to hang out with, and we don't usually hang out in the venue the ENTIRE time (unless we are working, but there are those who work, who obs, who wander and play all the little fun games like the scavenger hunt and AR drone course, etc...) we meet up and break for meals, mini-after-parties (clean fun), etc - there IS a lot to do other than JUST sit up at the main stage and watch matches (I've done all of those aforementioned things - including sit for 10 hours a day in the same spot watching the games)
I invite her to join us, and I'm PMing you a link :D
I hope to see you both next MLG.
~Bright
(a 25$ spec pass is a pretty small price to pay for all the fun WE have)
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On January 18 2012 01:33 BrightSideSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 ... ... Tenks wrote:
Lol. We've been together for 5 years and we live together. I'm kind of over the "showing her off" phase of my life. She does try and learn. She'll watch me play and try to ask questions. She loves MMA and hates IdrA. However when it comes to deep knowledge to really want to stay there for 10 hours a day ... it just isn't there. I'd assume it is like that for many people. Get her together with the girls who DO go to the events then - she will have people to hang out with, and we don't usually hang out in the venue the ENTIRE time (unless we are working, but there are those who work, who obs, who wander and play all the little fun games like the scavenger hunt and AR drone course, etc...) we meet up and break for meals, mini-after-parties (clean fun), etc - there IS a lot to do other than JUST sit up at the main stage and watch matches (I've done all of those aforementioned things - including sit for 10 hours a day in the same spot watching the games) I invite her to join us, and I'm PMing you a link :D I hope to see you both next MLG. ~Bright (a 25$ spec pass is a pretty small price to pay for all the fun WE have)
She has already declared she is going to MLG Columbus with me again if it is coming around. I'll offer this as a suggestion. Thanks. I'll respond with a few questions I have to the PM.
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I have no problems with it, but frankly I don't see any reason why MLG would want to do something like this
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On January 18 2012 01:36 Huggerz wrote:
I have no problems with it, but frankly I don't see any reason why MLG would want to do something like this
Introducing their product to more possible consumers. Easy 1+1 of economics ...
Guess you guys really never heard about marketing, even tho its all around you (special offers here special offers there)
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Calgary25980 Posts
I don't think MLG has cornered the 98% of their market that they need to look at expanding into and improving upon the other 2%. Further, I don't think getting a few more girls to come will make a lot more guys come. They should focus their efforts on improving the experience for everyone.
To the people saying "Why not?", as if this is a free money for zero cost, you're not considering the time cost. Someone has to set this up, and then someone at the door has to manage another type of ticket being used. And then people have to be available for when men show up with women's tickets. I'd say overall it's just not worth it.
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On January 18 2012 01:37 Chill wrote:
I don't think MLG has cornered the 98% of their market that they need to look at expanding into and improving upon the other 2%. Further, I don't think getting a few more girls to come will make a lot more guys come. They should focus their efforts on improving the experience for everyone.
It is a matter of effort and costs.
And in general it is easier(and cheaper) to offer special offers than to upgrade your venue(whatever). Why?
Producing tickets is not a considerable cost.
What happens if they dont sell the tickets? They will only lose the said production cost.
What happens if they sell the tickets? They will earn more money which they wouldn't have earned before (since it is a new audience as so many of you claimed; only few girls are attending today, so the 0,01-1% of girls attending won't hurt as much. To get in some math: if lets say 100 girls were attending the previous MLG without any special offer. You would only need to sell 150 Tickets to girls if u reduce prices by 25%. To reduce your risk make the reduction even less ... ezpz)
Please look up some basic principles of marketing ...
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Yea I'll get right back looking up basic principles of marketing LOL. In the mean time, you can respond to my edited comment on extra costs.
We're talking about a potential extra thousand dollars for little effort and a reasonable amount of management. It's not even worth worrying about.
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On January 18 2012 01:23 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:21 DMII wrote:The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. If you drag her to an event, which you know she isn't interested in all that much, you should probably care more about her getting at least some entertainment, than you getting your money's worth. After all she came with you because she cares about you, so you could probably be less egoistic and also care a little about her. And by that I do not mean, that you ask for her to cost less money, so letting her go doesn't hurt your wallet that much. Erm, trolling? You ever been into a relationship longer than 3 month? It has NOTHING to with egoistic, no it is even the opposite of what you claim it to be. Unless you consider trying to share what someone love in a relationship is egoistic.
I don't consider trying to share something you love with your partner to be egoistic.
However, if you worry more about your money than your partner while doing so, then you are obviously more caring about your own good, than about anyone else. That's what is called egoism, aka, caring more about yourself than others.
While I admit that my relationships so far have not lasted longer than 3 months, I still know, that being in a relationship means caring more about your partner and less about yourself. Otherwise you may call it relationship, but it actually is just you feeling awesome because you have someone to show off.
Edit: On a side note, I don't want to blame the OP to be like that, to me it just sounds a lot like it.
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On January 18 2012 01:41 Chill wrote:
Yea I'll get right back looking up basic principles of marketing LOL. In the mean time, you can respond to my edited comment on extra costs.
Yea I'll get right back to comment on your edit. In the mean time, you can read my edit.
And please leave that to the guys at MLG(or whatever) since i believe they also have some studied ecnomists who can calculate the cost-effort balance and therefor set up some risk-calculation but to use it as an argument in such a discussion takes you no-where.
On January 18 2012 01:42 DMII wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:23 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 01:21 DMII wrote:The issue is since I paid full price for her pass I felt like she needed to be there with me simply to get my money's worth. If you drag her to an event, which you know she isn't interested in all that much, you should probably care more about her getting at least some entertainment, than you getting your money's worth. After all she came with you because she cares about you, so you could probably be less egoistic and also care a little about her. And by that I do not mean, that you ask for her to cost less money, so letting her go doesn't hurt your wallet that much. Erm, trolling? You ever been into a relationship longer than 3 month? It has NOTHING to with egoistic, no it is even the opposite of what you claim it to be. Unless you consider trying to share what someone love in a relationship is egoistic. I don't consider trying to share something you love with your partner to be egoistic. However, if you worry more about your money than your partner while doing so, then you are obviously more caring about your own good, than about anyone else. That's what is called egoism, aka, caring more about yourself than others. While I admit that my relationships so far have not lasted longer than 3 months, I still know, that being in a relationship means caring more about your partner and less about yourself. Otherwise you may call it relationship, but it actually is just you feeling awesome because you have someone to show off. On a side note, I don't want to blame the OP to be that way, it just sounds a lot that way.
Since the OP didn't "whine" about it I think he wants to give MLGs some CONSTRUCTIVE input and wants to discuss it with you. But what happens? He just gets herps and derps with no real arguments.
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Right. And by doing that analysis they've already blown through half the potential profits LOL
There's tons of shit that we could do at my company to say thousands of dollars daily. But the time of the people involved to make it happen means it would be a net loss. People get paid for their time. If they can be doing something that makes more money then they should.
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On January 18 2012 01:39 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:37 Chill wrote:
I don't think MLG has cornered the 98% of their market that they need to look at expanding into and improving upon the other 2%. Further, I don't think getting a few more girls to come will make a lot more guys come. They should focus their efforts on improving the experience for everyone. It is a matter of effort and costs. And in general it is easier(and cheaper) to offer special offers than to upgrade your venue(whatever). Why? Producing tickets is not a considerable cost. What happens if they dont sell the tickets? They will only lose the said production cost. What happens if they sell the tickets? They will earn more money which they wouldn't have earned before (since it is a new audience as so many of you claimed; only few girls are attending today, so the 0,01-1% of girls attending won't hurt as much. To get in some math: if lets say 100 girls were attending the previous MLG without any special offer. You would only need to sell 150 Tickets to girls if u reduce prices by 25%. To reduce your risk make the reduction even less ... ezpz) Please look up some basic principles of marketing ...
By that logic, they should be reducing the costs of any group of people who were stereotypically stingy- as those would be the targeted groups who would come to MLG *if only the prices were lower*.
Except in reality, prices for SC2 tickets are pretty damn cheap, and women of all groups are not rejecting SC2 tournaments *because it's too pricey*.
Do you or the OP even know if women are rejecting tickets because of the costs? Who's to say that lowering the price of tickets would make more women come? If operas and ballets offered cheaper tickets, I wouldn't be any more likely to come...
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On January 18 2012 01:44 Chill wrote:
Right. And by doing that analysis they've already blown through half the potential profits LOL
Oh is that how real economics work? Guess I should tell our business analysts here that they are worthless.
By that logic, they should be reducing the costs of any group of people who were stereotypically stingy- as those would be the targeted groups who would come to MLG *if only the prices were lower*.
Oh my ... how often should i say it: COST AND EFFORT.
So you somewhat imply that they should offer special offers to handicapped, gays etc. but did you ever looked up how many females are living on our planet and compared it to other "groups"?
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On January 18 2012 01:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:39 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 01:37 Chill wrote:
I don't think MLG has cornered the 98% of their market that they need to look at expanding into and improving upon the other 2%. Further, I don't think getting a few more girls to come will make a lot more guys come. They should focus their efforts on improving the experience for everyone. It is a matter of effort and costs. And in general it is easier(and cheaper) to offer special offers than to upgrade your venue(whatever). Why? Producing tickets is not a considerable cost. What happens if they dont sell the tickets? They will only lose the said production cost. What happens if they sell the tickets? They will earn more money which they wouldn't have earned before (since it is a new audience as so many of you claimed; only few girls are attending today, so the 0,01-1% of girls attending won't hurt as much. To get in some math: if lets say 100 girls were attending the previous MLG without any special offer. You would only need to sell 150 Tickets to girls if u reduce prices by 25%. To reduce your risk make the reduction even less ... ezpz) Please look up some basic principles of marketing ... By that logic, they should be reducing the costs of any group of people who were stereotypically stingy- as those would be the targeted groups who would come to MLG *if only the prices were lower*. Except in reality, prices for SC2 tickets are pretty damn cheap, and women of all groups are not rejecting SC2 tournaments *because it's too pricey*. Do you even know if women are rejecting tickets because of the costs?
Please look up some basic principles of marketing ... LOL
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On January 18 2012 01:46 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:44 Chill wrote:
Right. And by doing that analysis they've already blown through half the potential profits LOL Oh is that how real economics work? Guess I should tell our business analysts here that they are worthless.
I'm guessing your business analysts don't run analyses to make an extra $1000. What the fuck are you talking about? This is small potatoes. Risk analysis on a ticket discount?
You're making me insane jesus christ.
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On January 18 2012 01:46 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 18 2012 01:39 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 01:37 Chill wrote:
I don't think MLG has cornered the 98% of their market that they need to look at expanding into and improving upon the other 2%. Further, I don't think getting a few more girls to come will make a lot more guys come. They should focus their efforts on improving the experience for everyone. It is a matter of effort and costs. And in general it is easier(and cheaper) to offer special offers than to upgrade your venue(whatever). Why? Producing tickets is not a considerable cost. What happens if they dont sell the tickets? They will only lose the said production cost. What happens if they sell the tickets? They will earn more money which they wouldn't have earned before (since it is a new audience as so many of you claimed; only few girls are attending today, so the 0,01-1% of girls attending won't hurt as much. To get in some math: if lets say 100 girls were attending the previous MLG without any special offer. You would only need to sell 150 Tickets to girls if u reduce prices by 25%. To reduce your risk make the reduction even less ... ezpz) Please look up some basic principles of marketing ... By that logic, they should be reducing the costs of any group of people who were stereotypically stingy- as those would be the targeted groups who would come to MLG *if only the prices were lower*. Except in reality, prices for SC2 tickets are pretty damn cheap, and women of all groups are not rejecting SC2 tournaments *because it's too pricey*. Do you even know if women are rejecting tickets because of the costs? Please look up some basic principles of marketing ... LOL
Well played XD
I love how people think they can take some principles or theories and always apply them to every situation, regardless of context.
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I understand your suggestion but I don't see the need to bring gender into it.
Instead perhaps they can sell a lower tier pass that has access to less events/games for less
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On January 18 2012 01:47 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:46 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 01:44 Chill wrote:
Right. And by doing that analysis they've already blown through half the potential profits LOL Oh is that how real economics work? Guess I should tell our business analysts here that they are worthless. I'm guessing your business analysts don't run analyses to make an extra $1000. What the fuck are you talking about? This is small potatoes. Risk analysis on a ticket discount? You're making me insane jesus christ.
I hope not. That wouldn't be that good for TL if you go insane
So we are talking about $1000 direct revenue aight? Since you are somewhat into marketing you should also know the effect marketing has on a short-time scale and on the long run. So why you get insane?
On January 18 2012 01:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:46 Chill wrote:On January 18 2012 01:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 18 2012 01:39 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 01:37 Chill wrote:
I don't think MLG has cornered the 98% of their market that they need to look at expanding into and improving upon the other 2%. Further, I don't think getting a few more girls to come will make a lot more guys come. They should focus their efforts on improving the experience for everyone. It is a matter of effort and costs. And in general it is easier(and cheaper) to offer special offers than to upgrade your venue(whatever). Why? Producing tickets is not a considerable cost. What happens if they dont sell the tickets? They will only lose the said production cost. What happens if they sell the tickets? They will earn more money which they wouldn't have earned before (since it is a new audience as so many of you claimed; only few girls are attending today, so the 0,01-1% of girls attending won't hurt as much. To get in some math: if lets say 100 girls were attending the previous MLG without any special offer. You would only need to sell 150 Tickets to girls if u reduce prices by 25%. To reduce your risk make the reduction even less ... ezpz) Please look up some basic principles of marketing ... By that logic, they should be reducing the costs of any group of people who were stereotypically stingy- as those would be the targeted groups who would come to MLG *if only the prices were lower*. Except in reality, prices for SC2 tickets are pretty damn cheap, and women of all groups are not rejecting SC2 tournaments *because it's too pricey*. Do you even know if women are rejecting tickets because of the costs? Please look up some basic principles of marketing ... LOL Well played XD I love how people think they can take some principles or theories and always apply them to every situation, regardless of context.
Because the context is totally not marketing?
I love how people think they can generalize and judge people by reading some posts <3
edit: oh wait Chill ninja'd my post am I now famous on TL?
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As long as the girls have a 3 drink minimum, I'm all for them having cheaper tickets.
Trolololol.
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it is illegal... but not applied. heard some talk about it on the news
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Hey this would discriminate in favour of female homosexual couples and against male homosexual couples, how unfair is that. LESBIANS GET DOUBLE THE DISCOUNT
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Chill relax your being douche try to set an example for ppl -.-.
That said on the matter of selling discounted tickets to women - it would be more of a long term investment into the popularity of e-sports then anything else and I am not sure that is one of MLGs key interests. It would be a loss in the meantime assuming MLG normally sells out (I don't know).
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honestly, yeah. Sure, it might suck for the like, 3 girls out there that actually play starcraft, but for guys bring their gfs it's good
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its not legal, when bars do it it is illegal, they just do it anyway
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On January 18 2012 01:46 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +By that logic, they should be reducing the costs of any group of people who were stereotypically stingy- as those would be the targeted groups who would come to MLG *if only the prices were lower*. Oh my ... how often should i say it: COST AND EFFORT. So you somewhat imply that they should offer special offers to handicapped, gays etc. but did you ever looked up how many females are living on our planet and compared it to other "groups"?
::blinks::
Handicaps and gays are stingy? What?
And oh my gosh there are far more insects than females, so we should only charge $1 per insect ticket. (Most insects enjoy Zerg; most females don't give a shit about SC2. See what I did there?)
Take a cheap, largely-feminine event that guys usually don't go to. And now lower the price even more. How does that give men an incentive to go?
It doesn't. Men who are already interested in that event will go regardless of whether a ticket to that event is 10 or 15 dollars. Or they'll already be going because they're being dragged along by their girlfriends. But the idea of cheaper tickets doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority wouldn't want to go anyway.
Now just switch around the genders and BAM you have StarCraft 2. You're welcome.
If opera or ballet tickets dropped from $30 to $20 (although I hear they can be much more), I wouldn't be any more likely to go. MLG and other tournaments are not super-pricey. It's not like a huge number of women wanted to go but couldn't afford tickets. If there's a way to increase this target audience (women), it's not through making tickets cheaper.
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On January 18 2012 01:55 statikg wrote:
Chill relax your being douche try to set an example for ppl -.-.
That said on the matter of selling discounted tickets to women - it would be more of a long term investment into the popularity of e-sports then anything else and I am not sure that is one of MLGs key interests. It would be a loss in the meantime assuming MLG normally sells out (I don't know).
Im totally with you. But as far as my expierence with business and companies goes. MLG would rather like to search a bigger venue when sold out and attract even more. But yea, if they are fine with their earnings and audience (in terms of numbers) it would be a loss of investment. Thats why I said that this should be discussed by MLG's business analysts (would also invovle alot of business strategy and vision).
And oh my gosh there are far more insects than females, so we should only charge $1 per insect ticket. (Most insects enjoy Zerg; most females don't give a shit about SC2. See what I did there?) Now THAT is discremenation.
Do they really dont give a shit? Or is there some social-hindrance and sub-culture which makes them believe they should better not give a shit? On what do you base the fact that they don't like SC2?
My gf sometimes watch it with me, she just don't like to play it.
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What MLG really needs to do is make 100 Boxer clones to work at the event venues and hundreds of thousands of ladies will immediately flood in even if they have to pay double the original ticket price.
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You guys are being sexist. I could understand doing group discounts but not discounts based on gender. That is sexist and total bs!
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Yeah, no.
Sure, its cool if more girls go to MLG's but blatant gender discrimination is ridiculous. People should enjoy the events they choose to attend. Maybe the MLG should bring out more girl oriented entertainment? Should they? I'd say no. But as with everything, it's debatable.
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busted out laughing at my desk at work when i saw this topic
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Lowering ticket prices for females does not necessarily correlate into more females buying tickets and attending an event. A drop in price isn't going to attract a different demographic alone. If MLG is interested in getting more females to MLG events then there are much better ways to attract a female crowd then merely lowering the price of a female ticket. Ads specifically targeted to women, on websites that receive lots of female traffic, would arguably reach much more female eyes than lowering prices. If MLG lowered prices by $10, the only females who would even notice are those who were already interested in going. I don't think it makes any sense to assume that females are going to look at an MLG that they previously weren't interested in and then change their mind based on a price decrease. Making more female friendly events and areas at an MLG, and making the event more female friendly in general, would be a much better route to take if this is something MLG is interested in.
But I guess that's just my opinion.
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I really don't feel like girls would want to feel like they're being treated differently when they're already a clear minority at the events. Give it some time, by the end of this year, there will be ALOT more female fans attending MLGs than we've seen so far.
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On January 18 2012 01:59 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +And oh my gosh there are far more insects than females, so we should only charge $1 per insect ticket. (Most insects enjoy Zerg; most females don't give a shit about SC2. See what I did there?) Now THAT is discremenation. Do they really dont give a shit? Or is there some social-hindrance and sub-culture which makes them believe they should better not give a shit? On what do you base the fact that they don't like SC2? My gf sometimes watch it with me, she just don't like to play it.
Totally nailed it. I think at an early age, parents work hard to beat the micro out of females.
You're joking, right? My girlfriend doesn't mind the StarCraft scene when I talk about it, and she's even occasionally played BW and SC2 with me, but any person (regardless of gender) is going to experience social hindrances and sub-cultures. Perhaps a cross-gender-stereotype jump might be more difficult, but the push that a girl would need to go to a gaming tournament would not be to make the tickets a little bit cheaper. That's utterly ridiculous, sexist, and there's no reason or data to even suggest such a thing.
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Shouldnt your girlfriend just be a good sport and support you? Why does a discounted ticket matter? The situation would have played out the same. Your girlfriend isnt going to act differently based on her ticket price. Either she should be a good sport, and try to help in your enjoyment, or dont bring her if shes being a downer...
I think the onus is on you guys to make the best of it, not on MLG.
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On January 18 2012 02:06 Witten wrote:
Lowering ticket prices for females does not necessarily correlate into more females buying tickets and attending an event. A drop in price isn't going to attract a different demographic alone. If MLG is interested in getting more females to MLG events then there are much better ways to attract a female crowd then merely lowering the price of a female ticket. Ads specifically targeted to women, on websites that receive lots of female traffic, would arguably reach much more female eyes than lowering prices. If MLG lowered prices by $10, the only females who would even notice are those who were already interested in going. I don't think it makes any sense to assume that females are going to look at an MLG that they previously weren't interested in and then change their mind based on a price decrease. Making more female friendly events and areas at an MLG, and making the event more female friendly in general, would be a much better route to take if this is something MLG is interested in.
But I guess that's just my opinion.
Thanks for your very thoughtfull input Would liek to read more of such comments.
I can agree to alot of what you say. It wouldn't be enough to just drop prices. It would typically involve standard marketing to get the attention of the targetgroup you want to introduce to your product.
And what i really want to emphazize is that the OP never stated that his "concept" would be the perfect but in general he is on the right track.
What you are missing is the fact that there might be a lot of females who were thinking about going there but in the end decide to not base on the spending. And as I stated before; attracting those is important to grow the awarness and acceptance of eSports which will then correlate in way more audience(of different demographic gropus).
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I think what a lot of you have failed to consider is that every person who enters the event is a potential consumer of food and drink. Furthermore, every person who enters the event is BOMBARDED with advertisements. I bet Dr. Depper would be willing to sponsor a "ladies pass" if it meant getting more women to view their signs, and more women to walk around the building carrying their beverage.
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Tickets to the event are pretty affordable, even if you want to drag around your lady friend.
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On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others.
He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality.
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On January 18 2012 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 01:59 bluQ wrote:And oh my gosh there are far more insects than females, so we should only charge $1 per insect ticket. (Most insects enjoy Zerg; most females don't give a shit about SC2. See what I did there?) Now THAT is discremenation. Do they really dont give a shit? Or is there some social-hindrance and sub-culture which makes them believe they should better not give a shit? On what do you base the fact that they don't like SC2? My gf sometimes watch it with me, she just don't like to play it. Totally nailed it. I think at an early age, parents work hard to beat the micro out of females. You're joking, right? My girlfriend doesn't mind the StarCraft scene when I talk about it, and she's even occasionally played BW and SC2 with me, but any person (regardless of gender) is going to experience social hindrances and sub-cultures. Perhaps a cross-gender-stereotype jump might be more difficult, but the push that a girl would need to go to a gaming tournament would not be to make the tickets a little bit cheaper. That's utterly ridiculous, sexist, and there's no reason or data to even suggest such a thing.
What i said several posts before: eSports is one of the few sports which SHOULDN'T be labeld as male-dominant. But yet we have the mark to be. So you need to work against it. How? By marketing.
It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality.
Need to comment on this: To differ between gender doesn't promote equality.
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While the idea of a female discount is hilariously bad and offensive (even more, perhaps, to the gay community because they're ignored all together,) they could do something like a 1 day spectator pass for $15 to accomodate those situations. That's about the cost of taking someone to the movies. Save yourself an extra $10 for 2 footlong subs from Subway.
There, I just created the first MLG Date package.
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On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality.
The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this
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If you want more women to get into e-sports then don't be creepers and stop making a big deal out of them. They aren't some rare and exotic species of animals, they don't need to be singled out and given weird degrees of special attention. Introduce your friends, male or female, to Starcraft. If they're interested, they'll come to TL, and they'll go to MLGs. If they aren't then they aren't. Male or female makes no difference in this case.
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On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this
Rofl yea just put out the hammer and smash randomly at things: IT IS COMMON IN GERMANY TO DO SO(even promoted by Alice Schwarzer), he is not suggesting ANYTHING. Don't pull things out of context.
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On January 18 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:
While the idea of a female discount is hilariously bad and offensive (even more, perhaps, to the gay community because they're ignored all together,) they could do something like a 1 day spectator pass for $15 to accomodate those situations. That's about the cost of taking someone to the movies. Save yourself an extra $10 for 2 footlong subs from Subway.
There, I just created the first MLG Date package.
That, on the other hand, is a great idea!
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-.- I am a woman and I dragged a guy friend along. (Not completely dragged along, but I wanted to go more than he did so it was my birthday present.)
1. You are wrong that females only participate in esports events because their bfs dragged them there.
2. Get a significant other who can genuinely appreciate something that really matters to you. In other words, she may not be the biggest esports fan, but she should be happy to go with you for one weekend to an event you've probably been looking forwards to all year.
3. There's no need to discount passes for women. IT'S $25 FOR 3 DAYS JEEZ.
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On January 18 2012 02:11 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:06 Witten wrote:
Lowering ticket prices for females does not necessarily correlate into more females buying tickets and attending an event. A drop in price isn't going to attract a different demographic alone. If MLG is interested in getting more females to MLG events then there are much better ways to attract a female crowd then merely lowering the price of a female ticket. Ads specifically targeted to women, on websites that receive lots of female traffic, would arguably reach much more female eyes than lowering prices. If MLG lowered prices by $10, the only females who would even notice are those who were already interested in going. I don't think it makes any sense to assume that females are going to look at an MLG that they previously weren't interested in and then change their mind based on a price decrease. Making more female friendly events and areas at an MLG, and making the event more female friendly in general, would be a much better route to take if this is something MLG is interested in.
But I guess that's just my opinion. Show nested quote +What you are missing is the fact that there might be a lot of females who were thinking about going there but in the end decide to not base on the spending. And as I stated before; attracting those is important to grow the awarness and acceptance of eSports which will then correlate in way more audience(of different demographic gropus).
While that's certainly possible, we don't have any statistics or knowledge to necessarily back that claim up. Any comment we make on that specific point is mostly assumption, but I would argue that it's likely that that specific demographic (females who want to attend an MLG but find the price too steep) is probably a very, very small demographic. Outside of that, whether or not the price is too steep for that demographic could be based either on financial constraints, or that those females don't consider the event worth that amount of money. If it is the latter case (which is easier to deal with than the former), a better option (in my opinion of course) would be to increase the value of the event to female viewers. Not only would this make the event seem more appealing to females in general, but would make the event a better value and more marketable to those who want to go but find it too expensive. Events that appeal even more to these females would likely help them justify the price to themselves and encourage attendance.
On an unrelated note, I keep typing MLF instead of MLG. Don't know why.
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MLGs doesn't happen every week. Spending a few bucks for your own enjoyment doesn't hurt. And about the lack of girls thingie, I believe it will chance sometime in the future once gaming becomes more mainstream. You see alot of girl gamers playing call of duty, the next step might be SC2 or some other esport games.
But I still don't see a problem with how it's now.
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On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this
how many times have you argued for female only leagues?
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A price discount won't bring girls in. It'll just be cheaper for those BFs who obviously have to pay for their GFs if they want to them to tag along wich might be the motivation for this OP.
Anyways, progamers get more attractive to women as the pricepool goes up. So we need to promote E-sports untill progamers drive at least a Porsche, then they will come.
Maybe the progamers need to buff up and take off their shirt in ceremonies....like Anytime in that proleague final match vs Stork. Although that might become weird and awkwardly homo erotic if there's just dudes around.
Maybe we should market the cute cuddlyness of the contenders like Korean BW......
We could pressure Sundance into hiring some strippers.
The absolute best way to get more girls in is probably by saying they can't come. Cuz it's a guys only thing and women are not allowed.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't want to sound sexist, but that's what I am so that's how it comes out.
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I hope they give female discounts so I can go as a ladyboy. Skinny girls should eat free at restaurants as well since they'll want to keep skinny and won't eat much.
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I'm not sure if it's in MLG's interest to take an interest to make a mixer out of their spectator floor, but I'll leave that up to them to decide. The 'Ladies night' comparison is a valid argument. Perhaps it can generate more revenue for MLG the same way it does for bars... perhaps in some way shape or form, who knows. That's up to MLG to decide. For all the people calling it sexist or offensive in this thread, I pity you. That is all.
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On January 18 2012 02:23 blamekilly wrote:
I hope they give female discounts so I can go as a ladyboy. Skinny girls should eat free at restaurants as well since they'll want to keep skinny and won't eat much.
Whatever sex it says on your driver's license would fly, I'd imagine...
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On January 18 2012 02:20 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:11 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 02:06 Witten wrote:
Lowering ticket prices for females does not necessarily correlate into more females buying tickets and attending an event. A drop in price isn't going to attract a different demographic alone. If MLG is interested in getting more females to MLG events then there are much better ways to attract a female crowd then merely lowering the price of a female ticket. Ads specifically targeted to women, on websites that receive lots of female traffic, would arguably reach much more female eyes than lowering prices. If MLG lowered prices by $10, the only females who would even notice are those who were already interested in going. I don't think it makes any sense to assume that females are going to look at an MLG that they previously weren't interested in and then change their mind based on a price decrease. Making more female friendly events and areas at an MLG, and making the event more female friendly in general, would be a much better route to take if this is something MLG is interested in.
But I guess that's just my opinion. What you are missing is the fact that there might be a lot of females who were thinking about going there but in the end decide to not base on the spending. And as I stated before; attracting those is important to grow the awarness and acceptance of eSports which will then correlate in way more audience(of different demographic gropus). While that's certainly possible, we don't have any statistics or knowledge to necessarily back that claim up. Any comment we make on that specific point is mostly assumption, but I would argue that it's likely that that specific demographic (females who want to attend an MLG but find the price too steep) is probably a very, very small demographic. Outside of that, whether or not the price is too steep for that demographic could be based either on financial constraints, or that those females don't consider the event worth that amount of money. If it is the latter case (which is easier to deal with than the former), a better option (in my opinion of course) would be to increase the value of the event to female viewers. Not only would this make the event seem more appealing to females in general, but would make the event a better value and more marketable to those who want to go but find it too expensive. Events that appeal even more to these females would likely help them justify the price to themselves and encourage attendance. On an unrelated note, I keep typing MLF instead of MLG. Don't know why.
I am not against adding stuff for girls to the tournament. To do both would be the way to go imo.
On a side now: be happy it is not FML 
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Uh, aren't most tickets bought online? How would they enforce this?
edit: NVM thought of like 4 ideas.
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How about we call it companion pass or something?
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On January 18 2012 02:26 DamageControL wrote:
Uh, aren't most tickets bought online? How would they enforce this?
edit: NVM thought of like 4 ideas.
You have to check in at the door and you're given a wrist strap. It would occur there.
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On January 18 2012 02:21 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this how many times have you argued for female only leagues?
Female only Leagues are a different story. It is to HELP encourage more females to be involved in the community and in the competitive scene. This is not a hard concept to understand.
On January 18 2012 02:20 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this Rofl yea just put out the hammer and smash randomly at things: IT IS COMMON IN GERMANY TO DO SO(even promoted by Alice Schwarzer), he is not suggesting ANYTHING. Don't pull things out of context.
I don't care if its common in Germany. The thing is this is unfair and will just cause more problems! Like I said earlier:
"I know many ladies who went to events like MLG. Now while bars and clubs give discounts to ladies or have ladies night, they also make a profit off the drinks sold. However MLG sales tickets for people to GET into the event. Many females are actually interested in the game and dont want special treatment just because of their gender. Now what you could do is suggest to the MLG for a group discount. IE: If 2 people want to go together, lets say a couple, then maybe they can offer a discount for buying 2 tickets at once. They could also apply this to like friends who want to go together. For example, lets say John and 4 of his friends want to go to MLG. Now if they all pull their money together and have 1 person buy all of their tickets, then maybe MLG could offer them a discount deal for buying more then one ticket at a time. NOT because of their gender though."
Also do me a favor and don't pm me again. The pm you sent was pointless and a total waste of time.
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So you want "equal" rights for woman in esports as well, I see.
Pretty sure it's troll thread though.
Also please don't start with alice schwarzer, makes me more ashamed of being german than hitler will ever be able to...
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On January 18 2012 02:20 RedJustice wrote:
-.- I am a woman and I dragged a guy friend along. (Not completely dragged along, but I wanted to go more than he did so it was my birthday present.)
1. You are wrong that females only participate in esports events because their bfs dragged them there.
2. Get a significant other who can genuinely appreciate something that really matters to you. In other words, she may not be the biggest esports fan, but she should be happy to go with you for one weekend to an event you've probably been looking forwards to all year.
3. There's no need to discount passes for women. IT'S $25 FOR 3 DAYS JEEZ.
I am glad other ladies are taking the time to post here.
On January 18 2012 02:30 Lorch wrote:
So you want "equal" rights for woman in esports as well, I see.
Pretty sure it's troll thread though.
Yes we want equal rights. There is nothing wrong with wanting that. There are leagues for this group or that group, so having a females only league is not as bad as people want to make it sound. Its the same as North American only leagues or how WCG does leagues based on location. So yes, we want the same type of fricken equal rights as what you guys get. We just want to enjoy starcraft, the same as you, without special treatment based on our damn gender.
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On January 18 2012 02:29 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:21 turdburgler wrote:On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this how many times have you argued for female only leagues? Female only Leagues are a different story. It is to HELP encourage more females to be involved in the community and in the competitive scene. This is not a hard concept to understand.
but they make you special and different, just like female only pricing would. im sure there are a few girls who would give mlg a chance if it was cheaper, maybe not many but a few. so in a broad sense female only leagues and female only pricing achieve the exact same things
it encourages girls to take part, but segregates them from the mainstream. and yet your on a different side of the fence on the topics? telling me that its simple to understand doesnt really help me understand why
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Hmmm.... Honestly, after reading over everybody's posts, I have a strong impression that nobody here actually knows and understands the definition of the word Sexism.
sex·ism
[sek-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2.
discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women.
If 95% of people at an MLG event are male, then it's a fact that many women do not attend MLG events. By making a ticket for women at a lower price, is NOT sexist, it is NOT discriminatory,
Just saying that a lot of women don't go to MLG when it's >>>FREAKING TRUE<<< is NOT sexist. It's Not saying women can't enjoy MLG events, it's saying that Maybe we could think of a better more enticing way to make MLG events more interesting to everyone, both women and men.
An example of what sexism truly is: "You CAN'T go to MLG b/c it's for Men only." Or saying "Women shouldn't play video games b/c they need to clean/cook" THAT is a sexist statement.
saying that MLG doesn't have a large women fan base and that there's something that could be done to change that.
That's NOT sexism.
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You honestly think more girls would come if they got discounts? Aside from the fact that's kinda offensive (MLG ain't a club, guy), that's totally illogical. Do girls have a harder time paying like 20 bucks than guys? How do you know that the reason there aren't more girls is cause it's too pricey for them?? I think it's more likely that girls in general are simply less interested in SC2 than your average dood. No offense
If I don't normally get my nails did at the parlor and such, but do you think I'll start going more just cause the beauty salon decides to offer discounts to men? I dunno if it works like that
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be a good friend and pay for your gf or friend that is a girl to come if you really want them to be there with you.
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On January 18 2012 02:33 LittleAtari wrote:
be a good friend and pay for your gf or friend that is a girl to come if you really want them to be there with you.
im glad we are defining good guys as those with spare cash in their wallets
On January 18 2012 02:33 FallDownMarigold wrote:
You honestly think more girls would come if they got discounts? Aside from the fact that's kinda offensive (MLG ain't a club, guy), that's totally illogical. Do girls have a harder time paying like 20 bucks than guys? How do you know that the reason there aren't more girls is cause it's too pricey for them?? I think it's more likely that girls in general are simply less interested in SC2 than your average dood. No offense
its not illogical, if mlg was cheaper more people would come from both sexes, cheaper for girls will affect their turnout rate, if only slightly. its offensive to pretty much everyone, but its not illogical.
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Bad bad bad idea.
All this will do, if it works, is attract Gamer Girls, not Girl Gamers.
The last thing I want is having obnoxious females involved who think they deserve special treatment just because of her gender.
Edit: To Clarify
Gamer Girls are people who thinks they deserve better treatment in video games just because they're girls.
Girl Gamers are gamers who just happens to be a girl and behaves like a typical gamer. You won't notice she's a girl until she tells you.
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I don't know why but I find this idea somewhat appealing. But the price for the whole weekend was ridiculously low. I paid $25 to watch about 20-25 hours of live starcraft. So if I have to pay another $25 for my wife to join me I would have no issue. I am actually surprised at how cheap it was to attend the event and would gladly pay double of what I did.
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No more girls would come and thats pretty f'ed up.
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he drugged his gf along
*giggles*
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On January 18 2012 00:00 Fionn wrote:
I want to bring my pet alligator to MLG, but it will be hard to drag him to the event. Can MLG give me a discounted alligator pass so that it isn't such a hassle to bring him? MLG really needs more pets at their events and this could be a good way to get more of them.
The thread should have ended here! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Really good one Fionn!
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On January 18 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:33 LittleAtari wrote:
be a good friend and pay for your gf or friend that is a girl to come if you really want them to be there with you. im glad we are defining good guys as those with spare cash in their wallets Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:33 FallDownMarigold wrote:
You honestly think more girls would come if they got discounts? Aside from the fact that's kinda offensive (MLG ain't a club, guy), that's totally illogical. Do girls have a harder time paying like 20 bucks than guys? How do you know that the reason there aren't more girls is cause it's too pricey for them?? I think it's more likely that girls in general are simply less interested in SC2 than your average dood. No offense its not illogical, if mlg was cheaper more people would come from both sexes, cheaper for girls will affect their turnout rate, if only slightly. its offensive to pretty much everyone, but its not illogical.
Really? So the assumption is that there are girls who want to come, but don't simply because it's too pricey. I call that un-parsimonious and not very rational
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... I fail to see the point in letting girls get a special discount in getting into MLG.
... they can get it themselves, also gender discrimination is stupid.
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Why does the community necessarily need more females? Sure, it'd be nice if girls would like to play but I don't think it's necessary to buy them into Starcraft
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Okay, so you're saying that if you want to be there you pay normal and if you don't then you get a discount? ...what?
Not a good idea...
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I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist.
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This would be a great idea if it wasn't that the events are usually sold out already(if I'm not mistaken). It wouldn't make sense for MLG to do it at this point.
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instead of making the female pass less expensive I submit we scent it with a popular fragrance and use the word "fabulous" when advertising it.
Problem solved.
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There was actually a ton of girls at providence for Halo.
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On January 18 2012 02:43 iNcontroL wrote:
instead of making the female pass less expensive I submit we scent it with a popular fragrance and use the word "fabulous" when advertising it.
Problem solved.
Make it a pink wristband too. Green/Gold/Red so gross.
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I dont like idea about ladies discount or "i just came because friend made me" discount. But idea about selling some kind of 1+1 packages or packages for group of friends, that includes food vouchers or some other bonus is quite interesting.
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On January 18 2012 02:43 iNcontroL wrote:
instead of making the female pass less expensive I submit we scent it with a popular fragrance and use the word "fabulous" when advertising it.
Problem solved.
Nah, that will just attract blatant homosexuals who boasts of their sexual orientation every chance they get.
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On January 18 2012 02:36 JiPrime wrote:
Bad bad bad idea.
All this will do, if it works, is attract Gamer Girls, not Girl Gamers.
The last thing I want is having obnoxious females involved who think they deserve special treatment just because of her gender.
Edit: To Clarify
Gamer Girls are people who thinks they deserve better treatment in video games just because they're girls.
Girl Gamers are gamers who just happens to be a girl and behaves like a typical gamer. You won't notice she's a girl until she tells you.
Thank you so much! I am glad that you understand the problem and part of the point here!
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On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist.
Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality.
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On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality.
so you order women?
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On January 18 2012 02:38 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:On January 18 2012 02:33 LittleAtari wrote:
be a good friend and pay for your gf or friend that is a girl to come if you really want them to be there with you. im glad we are defining good guys as those with spare cash in their wallets On January 18 2012 02:33 FallDownMarigold wrote:
You honestly think more girls would come if they got discounts? Aside from the fact that's kinda offensive (MLG ain't a club, guy), that's totally illogical. Do girls have a harder time paying like 20 bucks than guys? How do you know that the reason there aren't more girls is cause it's too pricey for them?? I think it's more likely that girls in general are simply less interested in SC2 than your average dood. No offense its not illogical, if mlg was cheaper more people would come from both sexes, cheaper for girls will affect their turnout rate, if only slightly. its offensive to pretty much everyone, but its not illogical. Really? So the assumption is that there are girls who want to come, but don't simply because it's too pricey. I call that un-parsimonious and not very rational
no, i said that there are people of all types and sexes and races who may be put off by price. im not gonna sit here in my house on my pc and pretend to know the finances on every person who loves to go to mlg. who are we to say that for some people 25 dollars isnt too much.
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On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality.
I am sensing sarcasm, but my point is that there was a night every week that did this (Thursday). No night was designated for males to enter free at all.
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On January 18 2012 02:45 iref wrote:
I dont like idea about ladies discount or "i just came because friend made me" discount. But idea about selling some kind of 1+1 packages or packages for group of friends, that includes food vouchers or some other bonus is quite interesting.
I think your onto something here. Naturally if you can get discounts with a group that group will be more likely to come. Also because your with your friends, your going to have a good time.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On January 18 2012 02:49 gold_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality. I am sensing sarcasm, but my point is that there was a night every week that did this (Thursday). No night was designated for males to enter free at all.
Oh I thought you were joking and I was keeping it going. You're serious? You actually went to a club, saw it was ladies' night and angrily walked away?
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On January 18 2012 02:49 gold_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality. I am sensing sarcasm, but my point is that there was a night every week that did this (Thursday). No night was designated for males to enter free at all.
Because it's a club......
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On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality.
Actually, it's fallen out of favour because it implies the opposite, that men and women doing the same job are not equal. I can't recall the last time I heard a female actor being called an actress.
On January 17 2012 23:48 Tenks wrote:
The precedent is set already at bars which have a ladies night to try and even the numbers.
Anyway, the reason they do that is to try and get men to want to spend more there getting the girls drunk.
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On January 18 2012 02:50 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:49 gold_ wrote:On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality. I am sensing sarcasm, but my point is that there was a night every week that did this (Thursday). No night was designated for males to enter free at all. Oh I thought you were joking and I was keeping it going. You're serious? You actually went to a club, saw it was ladies' night and angrily walked away?
i dont see whats wrong with this? everyone knows the reason that places run ladies nights and if you either arent interested in picking up a woman or already have one, i dont see what would be wrong in taking your business elsewhere. people turn away from places for their product choice, their ethics or a multitude of any other reason, if you believe that ladies night is sexist then thats up to you.
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mlg should do this for pokemon as well!
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The whole point behind "ladies night" in a club is b/c every night of the week there's a ration of 10-1 male to female. And then on ladies night it's 5-5 male to female. Doesn't that just make sense? to have an even male-female ration in a club where males and females are looking to hook up with each other (or at least dance with each other)
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On January 18 2012 02:53 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:
The whole point behind "ladies night" in a club is b/c every night of the week there's a ration of 10-1 male to female. And then on ladies night it's 5-5 male to female. Doesn't that just make sense? to have an even male-female ration in a club where males and females are looking to hook up with each other (or at least dance with each other)
you just have to know where to go. there are an equal number of ladies and men out in most areas most nights, its just that the places men want to go dont exactly attract women. go to a micheal buble concert if you want to find out where all the single women went
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On January 18 2012 00:02 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:01 Jiddra wrote:
Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden. I'd assume so. Most bars on a designated day of the week waive cover and offer discounted drinks for females.
they do this to bring in more girls to the bar, which will in turn bring in more guys. I dont think MLG has the mindset that if they bring in chicks to their events it will bring in more males hoping to score later that night.
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On January 18 2012 02:54 FatkiddsLag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:02 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:01 Jiddra wrote:
Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden. I'd assume so. Most bars on a designated day of the week waive cover and offer discounted drinks for females. they do this to bring in more girls to the bar, which will in turn bring in more guys. I dont think MLG has the mindset that if they bring in chicks to their events it will bring in more males hoping to score later that night.
you mean like the 100s of dr pepper girls they hire?
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On January 18 2012 02:54 turdburgler wrote:
go to a micheal buble concert if you want to find out where all the single women went
I laughed so hard at this.
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On January 18 2012 02:49 gold_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality. I am sensing sarcasm, but my point is that there was a night every week that did this (Thursday). No night was designated for males to enter free at all.
If the males at the club can't attract females then the club needs to step in with special offers to do so. I guess you will feel great when there are only males in the club...at least no one had to pay less than you which is what matters!
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On January 17 2012 23:48 Tenks wrote:
As anyone knows who has gone to an MLG event the event is disproportionately populated by males. While I attended MLG Columbus last year I drug my girlfriend along. Being a good sport she agreed. From my general observation at the event the only females there were in the same situation as me. Simply coming along as a good gesture to their boyfriends.
O_O;;
dragged?
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better idea would to go with a friend instead.
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On January 18 2012 02:50 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:49 gold_ wrote:On January 18 2012 02:46 Chill wrote:On January 18 2012 02:41 gold_ wrote:
I remember going to a club once when I was younger and it was ladies free night. I turned around and said fuck this sexist club and we left, never went back. Allowing discounts or free entry because of your gender is extremely sexist. Whenever something is on special I order the opposite in the name of justice and equality. I am sensing sarcasm, but my point is that there was a night every week that did this (Thursday). No night was designated for males to enter free at all. Oh I thought you were joking and I was keeping it going. You're serious? You actually went to a club, saw it was ladies' night and angrily walked away?
Of course, but I first asked what night guys can enter for free. We didn't walk away angrily either, we kinda laughed at how retarded the other guys paying to get in where. Nothing worse than seeing guys get taken advantage of because they are desperate.
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On January 18 2012 02:54 FatkiddsLag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:02 Tenks wrote:On January 18 2012 00:01 Jiddra wrote:
Is that kind of thing legal in the US? Would be gender discrimination in Sweden. I'd assume so. Most bars on a designated day of the week waive cover and offer discounted drinks for females. they do this to bring in more girls to the bar, which will in turn bring in more guys. I dont think MLG has the mindset that if they bring in chicks to their events it will bring in more males hoping to score later that night.
Agreed, besides, whoever thinks that MLG is an appropriate place to score then they are dead wrong.
Remember that guy who proposed to a girl, with the ring and everything, in an MLG?
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While I do think this is a silly idea, I think it would be cool if MLG Gold Members were offered 5 or 10 dollar "guest" passes that could be purchased for one day admission. So, if you had a friend who was into other eSports but had never been to MLG, you could bring them along for a day (at a more reasonable cost than the $25 full weekend admission). This could apply to friends, girlfriends, wives, husbands, lovers, or whatever.
I suggested the guest pass idea on Reddit before MLG Providence, where I had at least two people (wife and a friend) who would have gone for a day but didn't really want to pay full admission price. As an MLG Gold Member, I felt that it would have been a nice addition to the services offered.
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Kennigit
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Would it really make anyone's experience better if there are suddenly girls that don't give enough of a shit about ESPORTS to be bothered to pay $25 for 3 days of entertainment? It would be cool if there were more women at MLG, yeah, but only because that would mean there's more interest in the scene from women; MLG cutting into their profits to appease forever aloners who want to awkwardly gawk and make women uncomfortable doesn't help ESPORTS at all.
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