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On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality.
The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this
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If you want more women to get into e-sports then don't be creepers and stop making a big deal out of them. They aren't some rare and exotic species of animals, they don't need to be singled out and given weird degrees of special attention. Introduce your friends, male or female, to Starcraft. If they're interested, they'll come to TL, and they'll go to MLGs. If they aren't then they aren't. Male or female makes no difference in this case.
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On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this
Rofl yea just put out the hammer and smash randomly at things: IT IS COMMON IN GERMANY TO DO SO(even promoted by Alice Schwarzer), he is not suggesting ANYTHING. Don't pull things out of context.
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On January 18 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:
While the idea of a female discount is hilariously bad and offensive (even more, perhaps, to the gay community because they're ignored all together,) they could do something like a 1 day spectator pass for $15 to accomodate those situations. That's about the cost of taking someone to the movies. Save yourself an extra $10 for 2 footlong subs from Subway.
There, I just created the first MLG Date package.
That, on the other hand, is a great idea!
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-.- I am a woman and I dragged a guy friend along. (Not completely dragged along, but I wanted to go more than he did so it was my birthday present.)
1. You are wrong that females only participate in esports events because their bfs dragged them there.
2. Get a significant other who can genuinely appreciate something that really matters to you. In other words, she may not be the biggest esports fan, but she should be happy to go with you for one weekend to an event you've probably been looking forwards to all year.
3. There's no need to discount passes for women. IT'S $25 FOR 3 DAYS JEEZ.
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On January 18 2012 02:11 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:06 Witten wrote:
Lowering ticket prices for females does not necessarily correlate into more females buying tickets and attending an event. A drop in price isn't going to attract a different demographic alone. If MLG is interested in getting more females to MLG events then there are much better ways to attract a female crowd then merely lowering the price of a female ticket. Ads specifically targeted to women, on websites that receive lots of female traffic, would arguably reach much more female eyes than lowering prices. If MLG lowered prices by $10, the only females who would even notice are those who were already interested in going. I don't think it makes any sense to assume that females are going to look at an MLG that they previously weren't interested in and then change their mind based on a price decrease. Making more female friendly events and areas at an MLG, and making the event more female friendly in general, would be a much better route to take if this is something MLG is interested in.
But I guess that's just my opinion. Show nested quote +What you are missing is the fact that there might be a lot of females who were thinking about going there but in the end decide to not base on the spending. And as I stated before; attracting those is important to grow the awarness and acceptance of eSports which will then correlate in way more audience(of different demographic gropus).
While that's certainly possible, we don't have any statistics or knowledge to necessarily back that claim up. Any comment we make on that specific point is mostly assumption, but I would argue that it's likely that that specific demographic (females who want to attend an MLG but find the price too steep) is probably a very, very small demographic. Outside of that, whether or not the price is too steep for that demographic could be based either on financial constraints, or that those females don't consider the event worth that amount of money. If it is the latter case (which is easier to deal with than the former), a better option (in my opinion of course) would be to increase the value of the event to female viewers. Not only would this make the event seem more appealing to females in general, but would make the event a better value and more marketable to those who want to go but find it too expensive. Events that appeal even more to these females would likely help them justify the price to themselves and encourage attendance.
On an unrelated note, I keep typing MLF instead of MLG. Don't know why.
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MLGs doesn't happen every week. Spending a few bucks for your own enjoyment doesn't hurt. And about the lack of girls thingie, I believe it will chance sometime in the future once gaming becomes more mainstream. You see alot of girl gamers playing call of duty, the next step might be SC2 or some other esport games.
But I still don't see a problem with how it's now.
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On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this
how many times have you argued for female only leagues?
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A price discount won't bring girls in. It'll just be cheaper for those BFs who obviously have to pay for their GFs if they want to them to tag along wich might be the motivation for this OP.
Anyways, progamers get more attractive to women as the pricepool goes up. So we need to promote E-sports untill progamers drive at least a Porsche, then they will come.
Maybe the progamers need to buff up and take off their shirt in ceremonies....like Anytime in that proleague final match vs Stork. Although that might become weird and awkwardly homo erotic if there's just dudes around.
Maybe we should market the cute cuddlyness of the contenders like Korean BW......
We could pressure Sundance into hiring some strippers.
The absolute best way to get more girls in is probably by saying they can't come. Cuz it's a guys only thing and women are not allowed.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't want to sound sexist, but that's what I am so that's how it comes out.
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I hope they give female discounts so I can go as a ladyboy. Skinny girls should eat free at restaurants as well since they'll want to keep skinny and won't eat much.
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I'm not sure if it's in MLG's interest to take an interest to make a mixer out of their spectator floor, but I'll leave that up to them to decide. The 'Ladies night' comparison is a valid argument. Perhaps it can generate more revenue for MLG the same way it does for bars... perhaps in some way shape or form, who knows. That's up to MLG to decide. For all the people calling it sexist or offensive in this thread, I pity you. That is all.
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On January 18 2012 02:23 blamekilly wrote:
I hope they give female discounts so I can go as a ladyboy. Skinny girls should eat free at restaurants as well since they'll want to keep skinny and won't eat much.
Whatever sex it says on your driver's license would fly, I'd imagine...
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On January 18 2012 02:20 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:11 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 02:06 Witten wrote:
Lowering ticket prices for females does not necessarily correlate into more females buying tickets and attending an event. A drop in price isn't going to attract a different demographic alone. If MLG is interested in getting more females to MLG events then there are much better ways to attract a female crowd then merely lowering the price of a female ticket. Ads specifically targeted to women, on websites that receive lots of female traffic, would arguably reach much more female eyes than lowering prices. If MLG lowered prices by $10, the only females who would even notice are those who were already interested in going. I don't think it makes any sense to assume that females are going to look at an MLG that they previously weren't interested in and then change their mind based on a price decrease. Making more female friendly events and areas at an MLG, and making the event more female friendly in general, would be a much better route to take if this is something MLG is interested in.
But I guess that's just my opinion. What you are missing is the fact that there might be a lot of females who were thinking about going there but in the end decide to not base on the spending. And as I stated before; attracting those is important to grow the awarness and acceptance of eSports which will then correlate in way more audience(of different demographic gropus). While that's certainly possible, we don't have any statistics or knowledge to necessarily back that claim up. Any comment we make on that specific point is mostly assumption, but I would argue that it's likely that that specific demographic (females who want to attend an MLG but find the price too steep) is probably a very, very small demographic. Outside of that, whether or not the price is too steep for that demographic could be based either on financial constraints, or that those females don't consider the event worth that amount of money. If it is the latter case (which is easier to deal with than the former), a better option (in my opinion of course) would be to increase the value of the event to female viewers. Not only would this make the event seem more appealing to females in general, but would make the event a better value and more marketable to those who want to go but find it too expensive. Events that appeal even more to these females would likely help them justify the price to themselves and encourage attendance. On an unrelated note, I keep typing MLF instead of MLG. Don't know why.
I am not against adding stuff for girls to the tournament. To do both would be the way to go imo.
On a side now: be happy it is not FML 
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Uh, aren't most tickets bought online? How would they enforce this?
edit: NVM thought of like 4 ideas.
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How about we call it companion pass or something?
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On January 18 2012 02:26 DamageControL wrote:
Uh, aren't most tickets bought online? How would they enforce this?
edit: NVM thought of like 4 ideas.
You have to check in at the door and you're given a wrist strap. It would occur there.
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On January 18 2012 02:21 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this how many times have you argued for female only leagues?
Female only Leagues are a different story. It is to HELP encourage more females to be involved in the community and in the competitive scene. This is not a hard concept to understand.
On January 18 2012 02:20 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 02:19 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On January 18 2012 02:14 Blurio wrote:On January 18 2012 00:58 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:55 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:53 Jiddra wrote:On January 18 2012 00:41 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 00:18 iamperfection wrote:
I kind of surprised with all the negativity against this. Price discrimination happens all the time and this would be great way to improve female attendance. Same. I don't get all the herps and derps from those guys. "I want to herped the same way as everyone else gets derped." wtf? You guys really are THAT ignorant? No wonder no females want to particpate in such a horrible community. On January 18 2012 00:39 Finrod1 wrote:On January 18 2012 00:14 Grovbolle wrote:
That sounds like sexism It is. Terrible idea that should not be promoted in esports. we dont need to copy societys sexism. Rofl what? Do you really live in germany? Liebe Leserinnen und Leser. Liebe Lehrerinnen und Lehrer. Liebe Elterinnen und Eltern. Who would argue that this is sexism really has a problem with his on sexlife i guess. That has NOTHING to do with sexism. Otherwise you could also argue that building things for handicapped is discrimination .... If thats what u call ethics, im sure we will all burn in hell. So what does different names have to do with actually treating people different beacuse of their sex, when it isn't necessary? To even bring handicap is just silly, and I hope you know it and is just trolling. Erm as it seems you toally don't get a bit of my references so why comment on it? And no I am not trolling, having a handicapped mother, i appreciate every institution which supports them. So why did I mention it? Because it is some mordern-retardness to claim discrimination because something/one gets treated different than you are. THERE IS a freakin right to do that if it has some based argument to do so. Or am I discriminated as a smoker because i need to smoke outside? Hell no. So explain in englis so we can understand then. And this is not retardness, it is really not necessay. Smoking is another bad example, as it is a danger to others. He argumented in "gendering" which is a practice of writing basically Doctor and "Doctoress" when referring to the job "Doctor". It's really retarded but apparently promotes equality. The only thing it promises is more sexism and more discrimination! This makes no equality. We don`t need special treatment. Just stop suggesting things like this Rofl yea just put out the hammer and smash randomly at things: IT IS COMMON IN GERMANY TO DO SO(even promoted by Alice Schwarzer), he is not suggesting ANYTHING. Don't pull things out of context.
I don't care if its common in Germany. The thing is this is unfair and will just cause more problems! Like I said earlier:
"I know many ladies who went to events like MLG. Now while bars and clubs give discounts to ladies or have ladies night, they also make a profit off the drinks sold. However MLG sales tickets for people to GET into the event. Many females are actually interested in the game and dont want special treatment just because of their gender. Now what you could do is suggest to the MLG for a group discount. IE: If 2 people want to go together, lets say a couple, then maybe they can offer a discount for buying 2 tickets at once. They could also apply this to like friends who want to go together. For example, lets say John and 4 of his friends want to go to MLG. Now if they all pull their money together and have 1 person buy all of their tickets, then maybe MLG could offer them a discount deal for buying more then one ticket at a time. NOT because of their gender though."
Also do me a favor and don't pm me again. The pm you sent was pointless and a total waste of time.
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So you want "equal" rights for woman in esports as well, I see.
Pretty sure it's troll thread though.
Also please don't start with alice schwarzer, makes me more ashamed of being german than hitler will ever be able to...
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On January 18 2012 02:20 RedJustice wrote:
-.- I am a woman and I dragged a guy friend along. (Not completely dragged along, but I wanted to go more than he did so it was my birthday present.)
1. You are wrong that females only participate in esports events because their bfs dragged them there.
2. Get a significant other who can genuinely appreciate something that really matters to you. In other words, she may not be the biggest esports fan, but she should be happy to go with you for one weekend to an event you've probably been looking forwards to all year.
3. There's no need to discount passes for women. IT'S $25 FOR 3 DAYS JEEZ.
I am glad other ladies are taking the time to post here.
On January 18 2012 02:30 Lorch wrote:
So you want "equal" rights for woman in esports as well, I see.
Pretty sure it's troll thread though.
Yes we want equal rights. There is nothing wrong with wanting that. There are leagues for this group or that group, so having a females only league is not as bad as people want to make it sound. Its the same as North American only leagues or how WCG does leagues based on location. So yes, we want the same type of fricken equal rights as what you guys get. We just want to enjoy starcraft, the same as you, without special treatment based on our damn gender.
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