EPTNatus Vincere disbands its StarCraft 2 squad - Page 3
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Firesilver
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Oasx
Denmark72 Posts
On December 31 2011 01:28 The_13abyKnight wrote: I'm not going back to DotA 2, I'm currently looking for a good team to join. I am practicing very hard now, quit school 1 month ago and I believe 2012 will be a good year for me, in SC2. Great news  | ||
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ClanWISH
Canada21 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On December 30 2011 23:08 conz wrote: Legend? No just a good cs team that was made a few years ago SK, 3D, fnatic I'd give the legendary tag to.You do not follow CS. Na'Vi is the Cinderella story of esports, coming from a country that wasn't all that known in CS to then becoming the #1 team in the world and putting Ukraine on the map. In 2010 they set the record for the most prize money earned in a year for a CS team and it wasn't beaten in 2011, they weren't able to recreate 2010's success, but they haven't fallen either. I saw an interview with element who played for 2003 SK.Swe and he said Na'Vi were the best team of all time. Also the only top Dota team in the world that isn't Asian, they made 1,000,000 in 1 single day. That means each player in the last year has earned more than the highest achieving SC2 player MVP. So yes it's fair to say they are a legendary org. It wouldn't surprise me to see them put together an all-star roster in the next few months though, after their recruitment thread a few months back, after all in the announcement it says they were removed for the lack of results, nothing to do with the game or the scene, just in the individual players. | ||
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
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GenoPewPew
United States347 Posts
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discobaas
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On December 30 2011 23:08 conz wrote: Legend? No just a good cs team that was made a few years ago SK, 3D, fnatic I'd give the legendary tag to.The by far most dominating team in modern cs isn't "just a good cs team". On December 31 2011 02:45 Tidus Mino wrote: I saw an interview with element who played for 2003 SK.Swe and he said Na'Vi were the best team of all time. http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/33200-elemeNt_33_NaVis_timing_is_perfect | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36917 Posts
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
But there is something significant here, and that's the DOTA2 aspect. In a small way I'm beginning to feel that DOTA-style games are really taking off...this is just my opinion as I feel that SC2 completely overshadows any dota game in terms of complexity but this is a sign of how the "better" game isn't necessarily the one which makes $$$... | ||
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
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conz
United Kingdom163 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:45 Tidus Mino wrote: You do not follow CS. Na'Vi is the Cinderella story of esports, coming from a country that wasn't all that known in CS to then becoming the #1 team in the world and putting Ukraine on the map. In 2010 they set the record for the most prize money earned in a year for a CS team and it wasn't beaten in 2011, they weren't able to recreate 2010's success, but they haven't fallen either. I saw an interview with element who played for 2003 SK.Swe and he said Na'Vi were the best team of all time. Also the only top Dota team in the world that isn't Asian, they made 1,000,000 in 1 single day. That means each player in the last year has earned more than the highest achieving SC2 player MVP. So yes it's fair to say they are a legendary org. It wouldn't surprise me to see them put together an all-star roster in the next few months though, after their recruitment thread a few months back, after all in the announcement it says they were removed for the lack of results, nothing to do with the game or the scene, just in the individual players. Actually I played top tier 1.6 and source before in late quit in 2010, And the top ukr teams were always good and getting good finishes in tournaments before NaVi, so to say it put them on map is ignorant yes they're an amazing CS team their dominance was very impressive but when I think of an legendary orgas SK/mTw/fnatic are the only ones I would consider in europe. as for 10years, (less for fnatic) they've dominated different games with teams and been consistently at the top, navi formed what very late 2009 early 2010? and as for their dota team winning 1,000,000 single day? yes it's nice i'm not taking anything away from them but it's just 1 tournament I don't follow dota so I won't pretend to know anything about but it's early days in that game, and it's still 1 tourny regardless of prize money. I wouldn't call stephano a legendary SC2 player even though he's won more tournys, same as I wouldn't call man city a legendary football club even though they're most likely the best team in the premiership right now, all my point was they're a good CS team one of the best however they're not as an orga on the same level as an SK, mTw. also "Also the only top Dota team in the world that isn't Asian, they made 1,000,000 in 1 single day. That means each player in the last year has earned more than the highest achieving SC2 player MVP. So yes it's fair to say they are a legendary org." The stupidity of this comment annoys me, It doesn't actually matter how much they make in their team game to mvp in a year so I won't even go there, How does winning a PR tourny in a new game make your orga legendary? when na'vi dominate and stay up their at the top of scene like other orgas, until 2020 then they'll be legendary. | ||
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conz
United Kingdom163 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:56 discobaas wrote: The by far most dominating team in modern cs isn't "just a good cs team". http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/33200-elemeNt_33_NaVis_timing_is_perfect Jeez why is the term good considered bad? Ok navi are holy fuck amazing at CS, so I don't confuse you I didn't say they wasn't one of the most dominating CS teams. I don't think they're the best of all time, as they aren't continuing their domination from 2010. However I do think they're one of the top3 all time great teams,and I think it's hard to actually decide on nr1 because it's like pele vs messi the game and skill level was different. Having the considered best 1.6 team for 8-10months doesn't IMO make your orga legendary that's it, sigh fucking forums. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On December 31 2011 04:54 Diamond wrote: This is why big teams with good budgets who know nothing about SC2 need to actually hire a real talent scout full time instead of just relying on "free advice". This. I feel like LG suffered similar issues, nice budget, okay team. No management. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On December 31 2011 04:56 Torte de Lini wrote: This. I feel like LG suffered similar issues, nice budget, okay team. No management. LG, SK, coL for the longest time, etc. All them want their advice on player pickups for "free" because "we have 4 other guys giving us picks for free". You get what you pay for. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On December 31 2011 05:03 Torte de Lini wrote: Some of us work for free anyways D:< Like I say, you get what you pay for. Talent scouting is hard and very few people just "get it" (CatZ is a GREAT example of someone that does). It's not really something you can learn, and the people that get it aren't going to give it out for free. Free advice is why coL was not even relevant in SC2 for the better part of the year, free advice is why the great SK is nothing more then a sponsor in SC2, free advice is not good. The best of the best are going to want to get paid and until they do the teams will suffer for their cheapness. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I feel like you're quoting Moneyball here. In any case, I inquired to SK whether they'd widen their team and they said: "It has to make sense". The direction most foreign team organizations are going is mainly Koreans anyways. So, whether or not your rationale is the way to go, most are going for shortcuts anyways and what they sense would get their organization on the mainstage and exposure. You can scout for up and coming talent or you can pave a big money road and just buy or "partner" up with Korean teams/players. | ||
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