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I cant believe they still play lineage1.. Is lineage 2 dead because of Aion?
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On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea.
That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world.
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On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ?
MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more?
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WC3 is so fr up the charts for that stupid Naruto mod they play...like seriously I walked into a PC room once and 20 computers were playing the same game -.-
However I did start to see more people play SC2 before I came back! SC1 is so popular because for kids they don't need ID cards to make accounts so that makes it easier....also Koreans in general think that SC2 is too hard and they don't want to play it...however when they play a little bit they enjoy it
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Someone should put up a poll and keep a score in this thread of what side is in the lead argument wise between SC1 and SC2.
EDIT. what, Warcraft3 has a Naruto mod? holy shit must download and try it, sounds awesome!
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On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more?
NESTEA GOOD AT BW?
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On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world.
He put up more precise information than you did at least.
On December 26 2011 22:05 dde wrote:
Because in all PC bangs you dont need to pay separately for MMORPG games and obviously wc3,LOL, sc1 is free. While u gotta pay for your sc2 account so basically in order to play sc2. In pc bang u gotta first purchase sc2 then hourly rate. Isnt it obvious why sc2 is not on the list LOL?. Im sure most sc2 users play the game from home.
Well, then it is understandable.
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On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW?
NESTEA good at SC2??
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On December 26 2011 22:12 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW? NESTEA good at SC2??
no.
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On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW?
Anyone on that list really.... lol....
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On December 26 2011 21:43 Integra wrote:
Wonder if Mods will use this as Jailbait and start banning everyone that posts in it after a certain date and time... It has happened before lol.
Oh yeah I remember that!
Link to the thread please? :S
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On December 26 2011 22:12 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW? NESTEA good at SC2??
TROLL
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51624 Posts
On December 26 2011 22:13 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW? Anyone on that list really.... lol....
Tyler was a beast.[/fanboy]
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It's a real shame blizzard's killed popularity in korea by restricting the game's usage in PC bangs. I am yet to see sc2 being playing in a net cafe here, the stats are hardly surprising. If you can't get enough grass roots support here then it's never going to take off in terms of mainstream sponsors the way BW did (other than blizzard) and it shows in the studio crowds.
The expansion won't change anything. I feel SC2 on free to air TV would help alot, Gom just doesn't cut it here. OGN is a must at some point if you want to reach a bigger fanbase.
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On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.
^ this.
Maybe SC2 won't become the new eSport to look for in Korea but maybe it will become THE eSport to look for in way more countries in the western scene in the future. I wouldn't mind that much tbh.
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On December 26 2011 22:11 Amanebak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world. He put up more precise information than you did at least.
Go read the statistics of MLG and then come back.
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On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world.
China population is much more larger than some countries so yeah china isn't the whole world ...
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The game is only 1 year geez...
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To be fair to the OP as some seem to be doubting the validity of his PC Bang ranking...
I found a south korean ranking of the most searched games a few months back, and it was pretty much the same as his PC Bang list, minus WC3/SC1 etc. for obvious reasons (they aren't new games so not searched about recently) and SC2 was also absent from this list, and I believe it was ranked up to 12 spots. Just to clarify that although SC2 could potentially be doing well, it's still well out of the top 10 range in terms of popularity.
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On December 26 2011 22:17 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world. China population is much more larger than some countries so yeah china isn't the whole world ...
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but China obviously isn't the whole world, especially when it comes to developed demographics, which is what we're talking about when discussing eSports.
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