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spessmuhreen
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
December 26 2011 12:31 GMT
#21
1.aion
2.sudden attack
3.fifa online2

6.dungeon&fighter
7.lineage1
8.maple story
9.league of legends

Do Koreans hate fun? i mean look at this! dont they get all the games we get over there?
yeah
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 26 2011 12:32 GMT
#22
I see you put a lot of thought behind your post.

................
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 26 2011 12:33 GMT
#23
On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.

Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea.


That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs.

I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop.

Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans.


Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 26 2011 12:34 GMT
#24
On December 26 2011 21:27 Ryps wrote:
I would say GOM failed in Korea. It's their job to promote it and they would benefit the most from it, also surprising w3 higher than BW ?! I'm starting to doubt that list.


whats so surprising MMOs have been plaguing Korean PC baangs for so long.

and WC3 is high because of all the UMSes that it has compared to BW.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:34:56
December 26 2011 12:34 GMT
#25
awesome, we really needed another SC1 vs SC2 thread because.... they really do useful things for TL.net?..

EDIT: Lol at lineage and Warcraft3, Seriously. haha.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
December 26 2011 12:34 GMT
#26
Not you particularly, Sawamura or Itsmedudeman. I am just tired and wary of the kind of nonsense that the OP want to incite again (twice, check his history). It's almost 2012, TL is better than that.
Thank God and gunrun.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:35:55
December 26 2011 12:35 GMT
#27
On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.


How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.


Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?


Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?


ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.

Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel.

Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 26 2011 12:38 GMT
#28
On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.


How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.


Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?


And blizzard takes money from foreign tournaments, with total biscuit saying 100% advertisement revenue, while sponsoring gsl prize money... will you guys try to protest them too?
They're adamant in trying to promote SC2 in Korea, I'd say. Does it mean that BW's once multi billion dollar industry still ecplises in revenues those 180 countries SCII is able to reach out to currently? Who knows...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 26 2011 12:38 GMT
#29
On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.


How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.


Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?


Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?


ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.

Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel.

Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?


the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing.

yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:41:57
December 26 2011 12:38 GMT
#30
On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.


How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.


Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?


Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?


ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.

Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel.

Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?


http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/

The gomtv.net (the foreigner/English/Tastosis) VODs receive 60000 to 160000 views on the average. You can infer how much ticket sales that comes up to, fairly easily, from there.
Thank God and gunrun.
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
December 26 2011 12:40 GMT
#31
this thread is bad and you should feel bad.

Plenty of other threads to talk about it in.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 26 2011 12:41 GMT
#32
On December 26 2011 21:40 Headnoob wrote:
this thread is bad and you should feel bad.

Plenty of other threads to talk about it in.


this thread is so bad it makes me want to troll anyone who takes it seriously.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
December 26 2011 12:42 GMT
#33
SC2 has a much smaller casual player group compared to other games. I'm not surprised the ranking worked out to be that way. Also, b.net 2.0 custom game menu fails hard. If they fix it by HotS we could see a significant increase in sc2 players, although probably not in the 1v1 department.
RuhRoh is my herO
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:44:00
December 26 2011 12:43 GMT
#34
Wonder if Mods will use this as Jailbait and start banning everyone that posts in it after a certain date and time... It has happened before lol.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:44:39
December 26 2011 12:43 GMT
#35
Pretty silly post and point made in the OP.
SC2 is doing just fine, so is SC:BW. That chart is completely irrelevant since in order to play SC2, you actually have to had purchased the game to have your own account, so that's why it isn't so popular in the Korean PC Bangs. Those that will point that it's the same case with Aion or WoW so wrong, since a lot of the internet cafes in my country do have those games as well, but they're usually connected to private servers.
That ain't the case with SC:BW and WC3. So ... What was your point again ? SC2 not doing well in Korean PC Bangs ? I could've told you that without even setting foot in Korea.
But in general - SC2 is doing quite good. Else we wouldn't have had the Korean ladder being so hard and levels above the other regions. As well as all the Korean pros kicking butts left and right in international tournaments.
Seriously OP, you're such a downer. If a game isn't making it into a chart, that doesn't means it's not doing good. Specially a chart like that, where you can look at the rest of the competition and be like "Huh ?! Whatever !".
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
VoO
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany278 Posts
December 26 2011 12:44 GMT
#36
Who cares about Korea?

SC2 isn't SC1, it has become a global community and not a single nation-centric sport like BW. The non-Korean scene provides much more high quality standards and Koreans are finally forced to acknowledge that and start to integrate themselves. We don't need 'em, but they need us.

Good thing that we don't have an isolation committee like in old times. Hopefully, we will soon forget the "Korean vs. Foreigner" mentality and can move on to [team] player vs. [team] player.

I am quite glad that Star2 isn't that popular to be overregulated.
♥ 김택용 ♥Casual Dwarf Fortress Progamer
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 26 2011 12:44 GMT
#37
On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.


How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.


Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?


Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?


ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.

Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel.

Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?


the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing.

yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true.


I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those?

Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 26 2011 12:44 GMT
#38
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?

not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth

i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_<
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:48:02
December 26 2011 12:45 GMT
#39
On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.

Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea.


That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs.

I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop.

Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans.


Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar .

Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you?

On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?

not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth

i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_<

Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 12:50:34
December 26 2011 12:47 GMT
#40
On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.


How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.


Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?


Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?


ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.

Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel.

Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?


the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing.

yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true.


I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those?



you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble.
On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?

not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth

i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_<

Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW.


they were really really bad when they switched.

I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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