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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 27 2014 21:48 GMT
#5321
http://team-dignitas.net/articles/news/League-of-Legends/6129/Shiphtur-signs-with-Team-Dignitas-as-Mid-Laner
Shiphtur stays on dignitas
Glorious SEA doto
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#5322
On October 28 2014 06:08 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.


As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1.

The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL.

I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed.

Coast believes they get an exemption for unspecified reasons. I sense drama incoming.

Off-season = best season
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 27 2014 22:11 GMT
#5323
On October 28 2014 07:09 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2014 06:08 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.


As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1.

The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL.

I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed.

Coast believes they get an exemption for unspecified reasons. I sense drama incoming.

https://twitter.com/ImSheep_/status/526849541266755585

My guess is their argument is going to be that TSM poached Santorin.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 27 2014 22:50 GMT
#5324
Sheep and prolly. Hm, I'd rather see a team of random 17 year old platinums get the last spot. Maybe then at least one might be a gem.
Freeeeeeedom
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
October 27 2014 23:02 GMT
#5325
On October 28 2014 07:11 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2014 07:09 Redox wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:08 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.


As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1.

The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL.

I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed.

Coast believes they get an exemption for unspecified reasons. I sense drama incoming.

https://twitter.com/ImSheep_/status/526849541266755585

My guess is their argument is going to be that TSM poached Santorin.

I really don't think that right after the CLG/Zion poaching allegations happened TSM would do it literally days later. Especially after Regi got fined merely for announcing Lustboy early.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 27 2014 23:06 GMT
#5326
On October 28 2014 08:02 bbc23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2014 07:11 onlywonderboy wrote:
On October 28 2014 07:09 Redox wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:08 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.


As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1.

The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL.

I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed.

Coast believes they get an exemption for unspecified reasons. I sense drama incoming.

https://twitter.com/ImSheep_/status/526849541266755585

My guess is their argument is going to be that TSM poached Santorin.

I really don't think that right after the CLG/Zion poaching allegations happened TSM would do it literally days later. Especially after Regi got fined merely for announcing Lustboy early.

Are challenger rosters protected by the tampering rules?
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-27 23:09:00
October 27 2014 23:08 GMT
#5327
On October 28 2014 08:06 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2014 08:02 bbc23 wrote:
On October 28 2014 07:11 onlywonderboy wrote:
On October 28 2014 07:09 Redox wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:08 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.


As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1.

The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL.

I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed.

Coast believes they get an exemption for unspecified reasons. I sense drama incoming.

https://twitter.com/ImSheep_/status/526849541266755585

My guess is their argument is going to be that TSM poached Santorin.

I really don't think that right after the CLG/Zion poaching allegations happened TSM would do it literally days later. Especially after Regi got fined merely for announcing Lustboy early.

Are challenger rosters protected by the tampering rules?


If Coast had any kind of contract worth anything they would have included anti-tampering clauses. In any case, Coast "replaced" LOD and Santorin according to this http://teamcoast.net/coast-roster-changes/ and if there was any kind of tampering they sure have been tight-lipped about it.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 27 2014 23:09 GMT
#5328
I don't really trust Coast to be thorough with anything, tbh.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
October 27 2014 23:12 GMT
#5329
On October 28 2014 05:53 Slusher wrote:
mabye they thought if they pretended things were cool nobody would notice.

LOL. Shit if Alex & Twitter friends didnt say anything they would've been fine too.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 27 2014 23:18 GMT
#5330
Rumblings of Mata being open to joining TSM as a coach?
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2ki7p3/mata_hopes_to_join_tsm_as_a_coach/
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-27 23:30:00
October 27 2014 23:27 GMT
#5331
On October 28 2014 02:07 Fusilero wrote:
I'm a jesiz hater but he'll probably do fine he can easily get into NA LCS at the very least, he won't be bodying bjergsen or xaiowexaio or anything but he'd do fine, even if deep down I want to see impaler/jesiz get owned when there's no selfie/mimer or freddy/svenskeren around.


Jesiz is gonna get fkin exposed by shiphtur, yung pobelter, hai, prolly, keane (assume they make it in), whoever clg's new mid is gonna be, MAYBE EVEN VOOBY.

Then he's gonna get benched and get his ass flown back to Europe. Callin it right now.

On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.

Coast is such mess though, they and XDG are just sick candidates for worst managed orgs in esports ever.


Kenma neva4get.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 27 2014 23:28 GMT
#5332
In a league where Voyboy can keep his job, Jeziz will, even if unjustified.
Carrilord has arrived.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 27 2014 23:48 GMT
#5333
I'm one of the biggest Jesiz haters on Tl-lol simply because I can't stand the guy but I think it's funny how people here think tha he isn't good enough to keep up and even win vs NA CS mids. Also Shiphtur, Hai prolly haven't exposed anyone for a real long time. Shiphtur's like an inferior and even more passive version of jesiz.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
October 28 2014 00:22 GMT
#5334
Jesiz was fine back in EU, not Worlds material but fine by LCS standards (I would honestly only put Froggen and Selife as clearly better players, maybe Kerp too but I was never fan of him), and it was his first season as a midlaner. If Coast couldn't get Watdefox or Nukeduck then Jesiz might not be such a bad choice.

BTW anyone knows what was with Alex Muller's tweet to Alex after his emotional post about hardships in pro career? Was it an offer Alex declined, legal help or what?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 28 2014 00:48 GMT
#5335
Shiphtur is really overrated, hes pretty good in teamfights but his laning is more than suspect enough to make up for it.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 28 2014 00:51 GMT
#5336
On October 28 2014 09:48 Slusher wrote:
Shiphtur is really overrated, hes pretty good in teamfights but his laning is more than suspect enough to make up for it.

Shiphtur is the Cop of midlanes.
SimulatedAnneal
Profile Joined March 2012
765 Posts
October 28 2014 00:52 GMT
#5337
On October 28 2014 08:02 bbc23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2014 07:11 onlywonderboy wrote:
On October 28 2014 07:09 Redox wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:08 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right?
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay.
So, i'd expect Santorin to do same.


As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1.

The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL.

I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed.

Coast believes they get an exemption for unspecified reasons. I sense drama incoming.

https://twitter.com/ImSheep_/status/526849541266755585

My guess is their argument is going to be that TSM poached Santorin.

I really don't think that right after the CLG/Zion poaching allegations happened TSM would do it literally days later. Especially after Regi got fined merely for announcing Lustboy early.

Except it's perfectly within the LCS rules to poach CS players. The anti-poaching rule specifically says "LCS team" like 5 times.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
October 28 2014 01:55 GMT
#5338
On October 28 2014 08:28 Slusher wrote:
In a league where Voyboy can keep his job, Jeziz will, even if unjustified.


Voy seems like Hai, there's something to him that makes Curse thinks it's worth it to keep him even though he's at best even against decent mids on a good day. What it is I have no idea. Maybe he shows a lot more in scrims or maybe he's their secret shot caller. Curse management doesn't seem the type to keep shitters on the team because of friendship or senority or w/e. Cop got kicked out. So I'm just going to assume Voy is important to the team in some way.

Jesiz? No one knows what the deal is with the whole Coast-Jesiz transfer. My impression with the whole Jesiz thing is that Coast didn't even try him out or scrim with him, given the different region thing. It's more of a "We need a mid" team snatching a "I want to be on an NA team" mid and hope it works. And the thing about that is if Jesiz is underperforming due to w/e reason, they'll give him the boot as soon as they find a suitable replacement.
Fan of the Jangbanger
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-28 02:12:24
October 28 2014 02:09 GMT
#5339

TSM and Alliance are first teams confirmed for IEM San Jose.


Pawn and Dandy rumored to go to China. Korea is fucking falling apart.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
October 28 2014 02:12 GMT
#5340
On October 28 2014 09:22 AlterKot wrote:
Jesiz was fine back in EU, not Worlds material but fine by LCS standards (I would honestly only put Froggen and Selife as clearly better players, maybe Kerp too but I was never fan of him), and it was his first season as a midlaner. If Coast couldn't get Watdefox or Nukeduck then Jesiz might not be such a bad choice.

BTW anyone knows what was with Alex Muller's tweet to Alex after his emotional post about hardships in pro career? Was it an offer Alex declined, legal help or what?


He did ask Alex to DM him so I guess they wanted to keep it private.

Honestly, with Alex? I might sound like a dick saying this but he's not worth the trouble for any team outside Russia. Maybe at this point in his life, to any team, period. He's good, but with all this stress going on and all the commitments he has, he won't be able to focus on playing or spending time with his team like all the new up-and-comer nerds who basically have no life and can afford to stay and play in a team's house 24/7. Not to mention, the man's gonna expect salary that he could use to raise a family too, and then there's all the legal work that needs to be done to get him and his family over to w/e country the host team is in.
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