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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Play against his Jayce now and tell me he doesn't pick up the new strong champions fast. Like I"m not even saying that he'd work out for whatever team would pick him up, but there is more ceiling picking up the top solo q mid than some guy who already got a go in the lcs and was replaced. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 28 2014 02:25 Slusher wrote: well to be fair for every Quas there will be a KiWi Well Kiwi wasn't even good in solo q before he got picked up. It was more nepotism(is this the right word?) that let Kiwi be in league. His friendship with Scarra got him that place. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On October 28 2014 03:00 Numy wrote: Well Kiwi wasn't even good in solo q before he got picked up. It was more nepotism(is this the right word?) that let Kiwi be in league. His friendship with Scarra got him that place. Yeah, nepotism works there. | ||
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
On October 28 2014 02:25 Slusher wrote: well to be fair for every Quas there will be a KiWi Can't you say that about any scene though? For every Korean superstar that comes of soloqueue, there is an entire team of Xenics, Prime and Big File rejects that get shuffled out just as quickly (or to China/Brazil/NA, as it turns out). | ||
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bbc23
United States416 Posts
On October 28 2014 02:22 Gahlo wrote: The NA scene, in general, is risk averse when it comes to soloq players. They'd rather take a shot on mediocre pros/imports than take a shot on unfound talent. Then when recycled players and imports happen people start getting up in arms about a "lack of NA talent" and the loop cycles around again. There is a reason they're risk averse though. With mediocre pros you know the baseline of how they'll perform. If you fuck up on a solo q player it's weeks you can't afford to either fix their issues, or if they just don't perform on LAN, to replace them and start the process over again. A team OWNER (and that's the key part) would generally rather finish middle of the pack than risk getting relegated vs the reward of potentially finding that stud. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Really its only the cutthroat "if you're not the best, you're shit" attitude that promotes aggressive talent scouting in Asia. Being in the middle of the pack is worse than making a gamble to be #1. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 28 2014 03:42 TheYango wrote: Theres also streaming, which means a popular player who sucks still generates more revenue in the short-to-medium term than a good player nobody's heard of. Kind of like Bisu streaming BW? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 28 2014 03:42 TheYango wrote: Theres also streaming, which means a popular player who sucks still generates more revenue in the short-to-medium term than a good player nobody's heard of. Really its only the cutthroat "if you're not the best, you're shit" attitude that promotes aggressive talent scouting in Asia. Being in the middle of the pack is worse than making a gamble to be #1. This does not apply to Jesiz whatsoever though, they clearly went for a unpopular move here. As in general the recent LCS roster changes do not look like they were influenced by popularity considerations. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On October 28 2014 03:11 ExceliosBeyond wrote: Can't you say that about any scene though? For every Korean superstar that comes of soloqueue, there is an entire team of Xenics, Prime and Big File rejects that get shuffled out just as quickly (or to China/Brazil/NA, as it turns out). What? Xenics had fuck ton of talented players. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 28 2014 05:08 orzeu wrote: What? Xenics had fuck ton of talented players. I guess, it was just harsh generalisation :D But considering that Bang, ohQ, Swift, CoCo, Daydream, Piccaboo and (sorry, God), even Arrow, not speaking about Impact and Beelzehan are all Xenics, that sounded awks. Not speaking about Prime Optimus adc who is going to play in SKT T1, so i won't name him here. Also, are those rumours about Madlife in Samsung real or what? | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On October 28 2014 05:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: I guess, it was just harsh generalisation :D But considering that Bang, ohQ, Swift, CoCo, Daydream, Piccaboo and (sorry, God), even Arrow, not speaking about Impact and Beelzehan are all Xenics, that sounded awks. Not speaking about Prime Optimus adc who is going to play in SKT T1, so i won't name him here. Also, are those rumours about Madlife in Samsung real or what? No one knows what is going in Korea right now. Such a clusterfuck with format changes / everyone going to China. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 28 2014 05:32 orzeu wrote: No one knows what is going in Korea right now. Such a clusterfuck with format changes / everyone going to China. Yeah as long as we dont know the format or even how many teams will be in their premier league these kind of speculations are kind of moot. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
I read through the rules thouroughly and could not figure this one out, they should not have the spot anymore. It is really confusing. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
If the Santorin deal is done in the private venue, I'm pretty sure Riot has already told Coast and made them be quiet about it until the announcement goes out. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay. So, i'd expect Santorin to do same. Coast is such mess though, they and XDG are just sick candidates for worst managed orgs in esports ever. | ||
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right? Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay. So, i'd expect Santorin to do same. As that Twitter conversation notes, the difference is that using Santorin for one series means he can't play in LCS for 4 weeks, whereas the only downside for using Dude/Wiz/Day was that they couldn't play for the remainder of NACS1. The only option that makes sense would be flying one of the Koreans back or having them play online since the first round is online. Or maybe Coast can lie about the whole thing and have Jesiz play Ringer's NA account? LOL. I guess they could just grind ladder games for the rest of the week too but that seems like it could be a challenge if they do not have a jungler or midlaner. They'd probably wind up with a worse seed. | ||
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bbc23
United States416 Posts
On October 28 2014 06:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's not like Coast wasn't in this situation before, right? Remember, what happened when they got relegated by co, Nintendude played in Ro8 of CS and then left and it was okay. So, i'd expect Santorin to do same. Coast is such mess though, they and XDG are just sick candidates for worst managed orgs in esports ever. I doubt TSM will let that happen. Santorin would have to be practicing with Coast to some degree all the way to November 22nd,the date of Coast's 1st expansion tourney match and IEM San Jose is 2 weeks later. I'd assume Coast will just get their team to around the top of the ranked 5's ladder like everybody else (Fusion is already 3rd on the ladder after 30~ games). Also I would guess that the 1st rounds of the expansion tourney are played on the final season 4 patch while San Jose will be on one of the 1st couple patches of pre-season which would be more of an incentive for TSM to get him onto their roster officially as soon as possible. | ||
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