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St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
May 05 2014 19:59 GMT
#2761
On May 06 2014 03:45 Roffles wrote:
Let's be honest here: Being the best challenger support doesn't mean shit when you feed against Yolopete.


sounds harsh but it's true :/
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 05 2014 20:06 GMT
#2762
On May 06 2014 04:59 St3MoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:45 Roffles wrote:
Let's be honest here: Being the best challenger support doesn't mean shit when you feed against Yolopete.


sounds harsh but it's true :/


currently watching the vod of sumoners insight and apparently Loco coached C9T and even he's heavily scratching his head over this decision
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 05 2014 20:57 GMT
#2763
On May 06 2014 05:06 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 04:59 St3MoR wrote:
On May 06 2014 03:45 Roffles wrote:
Let's be honest here: Being the best challenger support doesn't mean shit when you feed against Yolopete.


sounds harsh but it's true :/


currently watching the vod of sumoners insight and apparently Loco coached C9T and even he's heavily scratching his head over this decision


Putting what Loco calls a "raw support" with shotcalling that's "a bit bad" sounds like a recipe for disaster when combined with WildTurtle.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 21:23:11
May 05 2014 21:23 GMT
#2764
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/team-coast-owner-confirms-team-will-continue-new-roster-to-be-unveiled-in-the-next-week/1100-1372/
Team coast confirms that they will stay as an organisation and will announce a new roster next week
Glorious SEA doto
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 05 2014 21:44 GMT
#2765
On May 06 2014 06:23 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/team-coast-owner-confirms-team-will-continue-new-roster-to-be-unveiled-in-the-next-week/1100-1372/
Team coast confirms that they will stay as an organisation and will announce a new roster next week


I have no idea why do they think that they have their #1 seed. You have to have 3/5 and Shiphtur + ZionSpartan duo are in Dignitas already and NintendudeX is taking a break.

So.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 05 2014 21:47 GMT
#2766
Coast will most likely try to claim nintendude/wizfujin/daydreamin as still technically on roster to retain their spot
Glorious SEA doto
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 05 2014 22:07 GMT
#2767
On May 06 2014 06:47 Fusilero wrote:
Coast will most likely try to claim nintendude/wizfujin/daydreamin as still technically on roster to retain their spot


Anyway, considering Zion's interview to team-dignitas, Daydreamin most like will go back to school and Wiz might do same or find another challenger team, so i expect Coast to die or to recruit bunch of soloqueuers and try to qualify.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 23:05:17
May 05 2014 22:38 GMT
#2768
On May 06 2014 03:06 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 02:21 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Feel bad for Gleeb, I'm really surprised Regi and TSM didn't do anything to hype him up more. Community has been absolutely vicious against him for no reason other than the fact he's replacing Xpecial even though most managers and pro/semipro players consider him the best Challenger-tier support right now.

A simple highlight video like the one they did for Bjerg would have gone a long way, especially considering the fact that all anyone is going to remember is C9T's recent losses to EG/LMQ/T8.


source? The only person I've seen voice an opinion on the matter was Saintvicious and he said that both bunny and sheep are better.


For example, Complexity's coach Kubz (he's coached NA and EU teams) picked him for a challenger all-star team pooling the best talent from NA and EU (so he picked Gleeb over Bubadub, Mithy, Voidle, etc.):


EDIT: Not saying he's going to be better than Xpecial, he definitely won't be right away, but people saying he's a "confirmed shitter" and what not... I dunno, seems needlessly harsh if you're judging him by his play on an amateur team.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 06 2014 00:02 GMT
#2769
On May 06 2014 07:38 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 03:06 AsnSensation wrote:
On May 06 2014 02:21 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Feel bad for Gleeb, I'm really surprised Regi and TSM didn't do anything to hype him up more. Community has been absolutely vicious against him for no reason other than the fact he's replacing Xpecial even though most managers and pro/semipro players consider him the best Challenger-tier support right now.

A simple highlight video like the one they did for Bjerg would have gone a long way, especially considering the fact that all anyone is going to remember is C9T's recent losses to EG/LMQ/T8.


source? The only person I've seen voice an opinion on the matter was Saintvicious and he said that both bunny and sheep are better.


For example, Complexity's coach Kubz (he's coached NA and EU teams) picked him for a challenger all-star team pooling the best talent from NA and EU (so he picked Gleeb over Bubadub, Mithy, Voidle, etc.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Iwy9PLlk3DM#t=1h3m30s

EDIT: Not saying he's going to be better than Xpecial, he definitely won't be right away, but people saying he's a "confirmed shitter" and what not... I dunno, seems needlessly harsh if you're judging him by his play on an amateur team.


Well, Voidle was just bad in Season 3, costing Gambit a place in semifinals of Worlds and he's most unstable support in Challenger scene right now + we don't know what will happen with C9 sister teams, will they be reformed, etc.
And mithy is just massive choker, it's not what TSM needs, even if i don't know, did Gleeb choke last time or no.
Bubbadub, well :D He has nice hat and wife and he plays Lulu.

Dunno, we can just wait until C9-TSM game to listen how bad is Gleebglarbu :D

Also, will Chawy play for TPA on Allstar, does anyone know? Or Morning will still play?
Because i can assume that Winds will already play for them.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 06 2014 00:03 GMT
#2770
Chawy was streaming yesterday from the TPA house so he's probably skipping on all-stars
Glorious SEA doto
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 06 2014 00:06 GMT
#2771
On May 06 2014 09:03 Fusilero wrote:
Chawy was streaming yesterday from the TPA house so he's probably skipping on all-stars


Yo, at least Morning will have another shot of proving himself :D

>> Had Millenium been relegated, I think those players could have departed to other teams, thus strengthening those teams. Oh, and we would have potentially had both NiP in the league and the two players I've mentioned.

Sick call from Thoorin, somehow i never thought that NiP throw basically lost a midlane Alex for us.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 06 2014 00:37 GMT
#2772
Curse picked Quas from C9T and it kinda worked out, maybe there is hope for TSM
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 06 2014 09:40 GMT
#2773
Honestly I don't feel optimistic for TSM..
-Bjergsen looked quite bad in recent patch. I doubt he'll be able to carry
-New bot lane will need some time and Amazing will have to baby sit them, thus Dyrus will most likely feed
Hope I'm wrong though
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 06 2014 10:08 GMT
#2774
On May 06 2014 18:40 Lylat wrote:
Honestly I don't feel optimistic for TSM..
-Bjergsen looked quite bad in recent patch. I doubt he'll be able to carry
-New bot lane will need some time and Amazing will have to baby sit them, thus Dyrus will most likely feed
Hope I'm wrong though


In Dyrus's defence, he rarely feeds to anyone but Cloud 9 in NA.
Well, TSM has C9, CLB, Curse and EG first week, it's not like they have CLG, C9, LMQ and Dignitas to be worried about results first week.

Bjergsen is still good, he just needs to adapt fast and not having only Karma and Nidalee to play.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
V0ren
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands233 Posts
May 06 2014 11:14 GMT
#2775
TSM needs to change the way they approach games if they want to have a chance at becoming number one in NA. They aren't adapting to the meta. Maybe some new blood in the team will help but I doubt it. Amazing is an upgrade from TOO, but will he fit in the team? As for Gleeb, definitely a dwongrade from XSpecial skillwise, but it might work out as well.

Eitherway, none of the team changes will matter though, if they stick to their current gameplans.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
May 06 2014 12:27 GMT
#2776
On May 06 2014 19:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 18:40 Lylat wrote:
Honestly I don't feel optimistic for TSM..
-Bjergsen looked quite bad in recent patch. I doubt he'll be able to carry
-New bot lane will need some time and Amazing will have to baby sit them, thus Dyrus will most likely feed
Hope I'm wrong though


In Dyrus's defence, he rarely feeds to anyone but Cloud 9 in NA.
Well, TSM has C9, CLB, Curse and EG first week, it's not like they have CLG, C9, LMQ and Dignitas to be worried about results first week.

Bjergsen is still good, he just needs to adapt fast and not having only Karma and Nidalee to play.


Against Dyrus, he always feeds in international tourneys. And feeds like a mofo. 0/10 nevar forget
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
May 06 2014 14:23 GMT
#2777
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 06 2014 14:48 GMT
#2778
On May 06 2014 21:27 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 19:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On May 06 2014 18:40 Lylat wrote:
Honestly I don't feel optimistic for TSM..
-Bjergsen looked quite bad in recent patch. I doubt he'll be able to carry
-New bot lane will need some time and Amazing will have to baby sit them, thus Dyrus will most likely feed
Hope I'm wrong though


In Dyrus's defence, he rarely feeds to anyone but Cloud 9 in NA.
Well, TSM has C9, CLB, Curse and EG first week, it's not like they have CLG, C9, LMQ and Dignitas to be worried about results first week.

Bjergsen is still good, he just needs to adapt fast and not having only Karma and Nidalee to play.


Against Dyrus, he always feeds in international tourneys. And feeds like a mofo. 0/10 nevar forget


Can we already call NA as international competition considering that 14/40 players aren't NA? :D
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 06 2014 14:57 GMT
#2779
On May 06 2014 23:48 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 21:27 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On May 06 2014 19:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On May 06 2014 18:40 Lylat wrote:
Honestly I don't feel optimistic for TSM..
-Bjergsen looked quite bad in recent patch. I doubt he'll be able to carry
-New bot lane will need some time and Amazing will have to baby sit them, thus Dyrus will most likely feed
Hope I'm wrong though


In Dyrus's defence, he rarely feeds to anyone but Cloud 9 in NA.
Well, TSM has C9, CLB, Curse and EG first week, it's not like they have CLG, C9, LMQ and Dignitas to be worried about results first week.

Bjergsen is still good, he just needs to adapt fast and not having only Karma and Nidalee to play.


Against Dyrus, he always feeds in international tourneys. And feeds like a mofo. 0/10 nevar forget


Can we already call NA as international competition considering that 14/40 players aren't NA? :D

When you think about it voyadominar, crumbzz and meteos will have more experience against international than NA junglers this split.
Glorious SEA doto
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 15:41:56
May 06 2014 15:41 GMT
#2780
On May 06 2014 23:57 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 23:48 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On May 06 2014 21:27 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On May 06 2014 19:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On May 06 2014 18:40 Lylat wrote:
Honestly I don't feel optimistic for TSM..
-Bjergsen looked quite bad in recent patch. I doubt he'll be able to carry
-New bot lane will need some time and Amazing will have to baby sit them, thus Dyrus will most likely feed
Hope I'm wrong though


In Dyrus's defence, he rarely feeds to anyone but Cloud 9 in NA.
Well, TSM has C9, CLB, Curse and EG first week, it's not like they have CLG, C9, LMQ and Dignitas to be worried about results first week.

Bjergsen is still good, he just needs to adapt fast and not having only Karma and Nidalee to play.


Against Dyrus, he always feeds in international tourneys. And feeds like a mofo. 0/10 nevar forget


Can we already call NA as international competition considering that 14/40 players aren't NA? :D

When you think about it voyadominar, crumbzz and meteos will have more experience against international than NA junglers this split.


Not to mention that only team which has 5 NA guys is C9 now :D
So, if we stop right now.

Toplane - 5 NA, 1 KR, 1 SA, 1 CN.
Jungle - 3 NA, 4 EU, 1 CN.
Mid - 6 NA, 1 EU, 1 CN.
AD - 6 NA, 1 EU, 1 CN.
Support - 6 NA, 1 EU, 1 CN.

Btw, i just learned that Gleeb is sub for EG as well :D
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