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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 05 2014 11:52 GMT
#2741
And dade
A backwards poet writes inverse.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 11:55:56
May 05 2014 11:55 GMT
#2742
On May 05 2014 20:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
And dade


No, it's common joke that in 16 International tournaments, Koreans never were lower than 2nd.
But in 4 cases, when Koreans hadn't won, it was either Blaze or Frost who came second.

dade is still dade, don't touch the God.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
May 05 2014 12:01 GMT
#2743
On May 05 2014 05:39 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:37 Zato-1 wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:24 Roffles wrote:
A wise redditor once said:

Xpecial Turtle were considered the 2nd best if not the best bot lane in NA. Gleeb lost to Fking yolopete at relegations and you are going to tell me this is an upgrade? BS.

I doubt TSM would've let Xpecial go if he really was that much better than Gleeb; I'd give Regi the benefit of the doubt on this, considering how well previous roster swaps have gone for them.

Gleebglarbu is a proven shitter.

Wildturtle before Chaox came around was a proven ADC who could also play mid fairly well (Think he showed that vs WE at IPL). Chaox wasn't anything special so he's fairly easy to replace, but you have to consider Xpecial as legitimately top tier in NA in terms of supports, as he has been a huge playmaker for them for a long time. Gleebglarbu lost to Yolopete and fed a ton in his promotional series. He's a shitter.


Damn, the hate is real. While Gleeb may not be that good, I think since the meta has shifted away from ADCs and more marksman/tower pushers, so Turtle doesn't really get a chance to shine and doesn't need to be making super aggressive plays in lane or even face off 2v2 in lane so the "skill" of the support or bottom lane duo as a whole isn't as important. While they lose out on Xpecials play-making and initiations, they made up for it by having Amazing come in to replace TOO. Overall its an upgrade. Not to mention Xpecial is super passive-aggressive so the overall team environment should improve a lot as well.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 05 2014 13:50 GMT
#2744
I wonder why didn't TSM announce Amazing same way they did Bjergsen. Back then we had weeks of rumors, confusion between some pros suggesting it's true and others outright denying it. Then finally we get an annoucement with an unfunny video and just hours later Bjergsen was already streaming and riding on the hype to get ridiculous viewer numbers. With Amazing? Most TSM fans don't know who he is, they only have dry news on some new solomid website. Even if they check, he's just some new player who played on a bad European team and earned some mvps that don't mean shit, you'd have to actually watch EU LCS to understand why he's one of the Europe's best. Instead all the focus is on Oddone's retirement and Xpecial drama.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 05 2014 14:03 GMT
#2745

Hey look, a xenics player shows potential and is poached.
Glorious SEA doto
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 14:37 GMT
#2746
Let's be real. Here's what happened after Cloud 9 stomped them 3-0:

Regi: Hey Xpecial, Dyrus told me you called him a feeding pile of shit after the series. Is that true?
Xpecial: Yeah, so? It's true.
Regi: You're benched Xpecial
Xpecial: Wat, Dyrus IS a feeder though.
Regi: ILL REPLACE YOU WITH ELEMENTZ
Xpecial: Lomo

*Minutes later*

Regi: I've replaced you with Gleebglarbu, the feedar from C9T who lost to YOLOPETE.
Xpecial: Lomo, if you don't want to win, idgaf. I'll just go join all the rejects on Curse.
God Bless
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 14:48:57
May 05 2014 14:47 GMT
#2747
On May 05 2014 23:37 Roffles wrote:
Let's be real. Here's what happened after Cloud 9 stomped them 3-0:

Regi: Hey Xpecial, Dyrus told me you called him a feeding pile of shit after the series. Is that true?
Xpecial: Yeah, so? It's true.
Regi: You're benched Xpecial
Xpecial: Wat, Dyrus IS a feeder though.
Regi: ILL REPLACE YOU WITH ELEMENTZ
Xpecial: Lomo

*Minutes later*

Regi: I've replaced you with Gleebglarbu, the feedar from C9T who lost to YOLOPETE.
Xpecial: Lomo, if you don't want to win, idgaf. I'll just go join all the rejects on Curse.


But Curse has only 2.5 rejects right now =/
Okay, 3.5 with Saint on the bench.

On May 05 2014 22:50 AlterKot wrote:
I wonder why didn't TSM announce Amazing same way they did Bjergsen. Back then we had weeks of rumors, confusion between some pros suggesting it's true and others outright denying it. Then finally we get an annoucement with an unfunny video and just hours later Bjergsen was already streaming and riding on the hype to get ridiculous viewer numbers. With Amazing? Most TSM fans don't know who he is, they only have dry news on some new solomid website. Even if they check, he's just some new player who played on a bad European team and earned some mvps that don't mean shit, you'd have to actually watch EU LCS to understand why he's one of the Europe's best. Instead all the focus is on Oddone's retirement and Xpecial drama.


It's TSM fans problem that they don't know who Amazing is.
Bjergsen was the most hyped midlaner back in 2013, even Froggen in glorious 2012 days hadn't received as much hype as Bjergsen got.

And it's logic that all focus is on TOO and Xpecial, they were part of glorious TSM days like forever.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 05 2014 15:01 GMT
#2748
So was Reginald, but they hyped Bjergsen enough to achieve both: community payed respect to Regi but also fell in love with Bjerg. Right now I think many people still don't know who Amazing is.

And didn't you argue some time ago that Bjergsen wasn't all that hype and it was all about Nukeduck in S3 :p ?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 05 2014 15:05 GMT
#2749
On May 05 2014 23:37 Roffles wrote:
Let's be real. Here's what happened after Cloud 9 stomped them 3-0:

Regi: Hey Xpecial, Dyrus told me you called him a feeding pile of shit after the series. Is that true?
Xpecial: Yeah, so? It's true.
Regi: You're benched Xpecial
Xpecial: Wat, Dyrus IS a feeder though.
Regi: ILL REPLACE YOU WITH ELEMENTZ
Xpecial: Lomo

*Minutes later*

Regi: I've replaced you with Gleebglarbu, the feedar from C9T who lost to YOLOPETE.
Xpecial: Lomo, if you don't want to win, idgaf. I'll just go join all the rejects on Curse.

sounds about right
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 05 2014 15:50 GMT
#2750
On May 06 2014 00:01 AlterKot wrote:
So was Reginald, but they hyped Bjergsen enough to achieve both: community payed respect to Regi but also fell in love with Bjerg. Right now I think many people still don't know who Amazing is.

And didn't you argue some time ago that Bjergsen wasn't all that hype and it was all about Nukeduck in S3 :p ?


Bjergsen got all hype while nukeduck was the best, but noone cared about Lemondogs at all, they were like Vulcun in Summer, results/fanbase proportion was way bigger than for anyone.

Reginald? Reginald was slumping whole Summer 2013, TSM just got lucky in Game 1 against CLG when CLG throw, else Reginald wasn't even at Worlds. It was matter of time when he steps down and Bjergsen was obvious choice for him because Bjergsen was in LA whole Worlds, spending time with WT and Reginald.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 05 2014 16:54 GMT
#2751
I don't see how that made it an "obvious choice", it was just a source of rumors similar to how Bjergsen's "Morris? Maurice" could be for Amazing if they didn't confirm it so quickly. I'm also pretty sure people had the same opinion on Regi's leave as they had about Oddone's leave, except they don't know how good his replacement will be.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 17:22:20
May 05 2014 17:21 GMT
#2752
Feel bad for Gleeb, I'm really surprised Regi and TSM didn't do anything to hype him up more. Community has been absolutely vicious against him for no reason other than the fact he's replacing Xpecial even though most managers and pro/semipro players consider him the best Challenger-tier support right now.

A simple highlight video like the one they did for Bjerg would have gone a long way, especially considering the fact that all anyone is going to remember is C9T's recent losses to EG/LMQ/T8.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 05 2014 17:26 GMT
#2753
On May 06 2014 02:21 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Feel bad for Gleeb, I'm really surprised Regi and TSM didn't do anything to hype him up more. Community has been absolutely vicious against him for no reason other than the fact he's replacing Xpecial even though most managers and pro/semipro players consider him the best Challenger-tier support right now.

A simple highlight video like the one they did for Bjerg would have gone a long way, especially considering the fact that all anyone is going to remember is C9T's recent losses to EG/LMQ/T8.


I think they are vicious more so because of his badly he played against EG.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:06:10
May 05 2014 18:03 GMT
#2754
On May 06 2014 01:54 AlterKot wrote:
I don't see how that made it an "obvious choice", it was just a source of rumors similar to how Bjergsen's "Morris? Maurice" could be for Amazing if they didn't confirm it so quickly. I'm also pretty sure people had the same opinion on Regi's leave as they had about Oddone's leave, except they don't know how good his replacement will be.


Well, Amazing wasn't posting pics with WT/other TSM and C9 squads during whole Worlds as Bjergsen did.

And what is opinion right now? Only delusional TSM fans could think that team with Reginald will be as strong as it was with Bjergsen and that TOO is still in his prime and not in relative slump since Season 2 except for Spring Playoffs when he suddenly pulled Cho'Gath and finished 5 games in play-offs on dinosaur with 45 kda, carrying WT who went on ultrafeedmode in finals.

On May 06 2014 02:26 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 02:21 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Feel bad for Gleeb, I'm really surprised Regi and TSM didn't do anything to hype him up more. Community has been absolutely vicious against him for no reason other than the fact he's replacing Xpecial even though most managers and pro/semipro players consider him the best Challenger-tier support right now.

A simple highlight video like the one they did for Bjerg would have gone a long way, especially considering the fact that all anyone is going to remember is C9T's recent losses to EG/LMQ/T8.


I think they are vicious more so because of his badly he played against EG.


It's more about Xpecial. Everyone loves Xpecial in community, noone hates him and if player who is beloved is dumped - then community is always vicious.
Imagine AlexIch not just leaving Gambit but being dropped? Will be drama for a month.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 05 2014 18:06 GMT
#2755
On May 06 2014 02:21 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
Feel bad for Gleeb, I'm really surprised Regi and TSM didn't do anything to hype him up more. Community has been absolutely vicious against him for no reason other than the fact he's replacing Xpecial even though most managers and pro/semipro players consider him the best Challenger-tier support right now.

A simple highlight video like the one they did for Bjerg would have gone a long way, especially considering the fact that all anyone is going to remember is C9T's recent losses to EG/LMQ/T8.


source? The only person I've seen voice an opinion on the matter was Saintvicious and he said that both bunny and sheep are better.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 18:26:11
May 05 2014 18:22 GMT
#2756
http://www.supahotcrew.net/#!supahotcrew-our-new-support/c1wnq
EHEUHEHUEHUEHE WELCOME BACK TO LCS FAILER
http://www.esportsheaven.com/news/view/64357
Richard Lewis reports mancloud and bunny to curse academy
Glorious SEA doto
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 05 2014 18:31 GMT
#2757
Bjerg's case was alot different. He joined tsm before spring split, aka the split that noone gives a.shit about.cause it doeant qualify for worlds, so TSM had time to market their change.
Now, it's 3 weeks before summer split, and shit is getting real. The competition jas never been stronger too. They cant afford to fuck arround nourishing hype, they have to start training right now
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
May 05 2014 18:34 GMT
#2758
On May 06 2014 03:22 Fusilero wrote:
http://www.supahotcrew.net/#!supahotcrew-our-new-support/c1wnq
EHEUHEHUEHUEHE WELCOME BACK TO LCS FAILER


GLORIOUS
TranslatorBaa!
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 05 2014 18:45 GMT
#2759
Can we just announce that SHC has kicked wewillfailer now to save us the trouble of doing it after 2 weeks of LCS?
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 05 2014 18:45 GMT
#2760
Let's be honest here: Being the best challenger support doesn't mean shit when you feed against Yolopete.
God Bless
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