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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#4521
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee

Sounds good, I'm interested in hearing how it will pan out with MLG.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50536 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#4522
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee


clear this shitsorm my friend,for all our sakes!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#4523
--- Nuked ---
HigoSeco
Profile Joined December 2010
Chile232 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#4524
so suddenly Naniwa never earned code S spot, lol.
I was ok with Naniwa having some kind of punishment for his behaviour, but GOMTV should stick to it's own rules and not resort to this bullshit to kick Naniwa out
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:58:21
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#4525
On December 15 2011 01:46 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:35 IOvEggY wrote:
heres how life is.
if you act like a dick
karmas going to come back at you

Lets look at it this way.
currently GSL is the SC2 channel in Korea.
All the koreans watch this so they can get their fill for SC2
GSL/GOMtv is a Business
Naniwa is a pawn in the business.
Naniwas job is to give SC2 games because he is a PRO, that is why he is THERE
Naniwa DID NOT fulfill his job. You cannot call that a game of sending probes.
Please dont say this is even a legitimate strategy, thats just some technical bullcrock. Would you even do it on ladder?
GSL was like well **** you, you dont make our business look good peace

/Endofthisnaniwa

Well, you should have written the code of conduct for your Tournament beforehand and informing all the players. Not after one event. This wasn't the only event either. GOM has had problems with their Korean players as well.

You seem to be missing the point...

Naniwa (Probably) Signed a contract where it was stated that he was supposed to play a group stage round robin. It probably didn't say anything about forfeiting matches in case you have no chance of advancing. He tried to ask for a walkover. The organizers said he had to play because it was the agreement. Naniwa went and tried to be a smart ass. He broke the agreement, and now gom has the right to break the agreement and take his code S spot too. You know why some up/down matches are not played when players have no chance of advancing? Probably because some tournament admin walks up to them and ask if they want to play the last matches, they say no, the admin says ok, and they go home. Both parts have to agree in order to break some contract.

Then again, there might not even be a piece of paper, and I could be totally wrong. But I guess we'll never know unless GOM or naniwa speak up about it.
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#4526
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee
MLG on the ball, thanks!
really?
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#4527
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee


do you accept part of the responsiblity in missleading the masses releasing unchecked information? and if yes, will you reprimand/fire attention seeking slasher for lousy journalism ^^

User was temp banned for this post.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:59:42
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#4528
On December 15 2011 01:56 B.I.G. wrote:
the poor guy just seems to be so socially awkard I dont think he realises how people will react to half the stuff he does...

Yep, that's exactly what I think.

I couldnt care less about him throwing a game honestly, but what baffled me is that he thought it would end up fine and that nobody would want to see a "real" game (see interview). He really needs to improve his social skills.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50536 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4529
On December 15 2011 01:57 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:56 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well...on the bright side...we get to see more Sen! :D


hells yes!

Undeserved and invited out of popularity. highest non code S GSL point ranked person should've gotten it. i dont approve of that replacement at all. <.<


who would that person be then?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4530
On December 15 2011 01:53 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:45 Govou wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote:
but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here

a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense


when the money and sponsors are involved you dont get to chose which games you dont want to play as a player.

if it is scheduled, and if you are paid, you should play. and at least make in plausible.

do you watch world cup? I guess you dont

well as a player, again, i would never want to act a game for my fans. would make me feel like a fraud.

plus i would never want to watch or hear that flash (who i am fan of) would be forced to act a game that doesnt matter


but if you sign the contract and make it clear with the tournament admins that you HAVE to play ALL games, then this was wrong by naniwa. but we get into these iffy situations at times because of the tournament organisation, and their format doesnt make it clear to the players what they have to do when they sign up for the tournament.

if gsl said in beforehand "naniwa, even if you lose 0-3 and some other guy lose 0-3, you still have to play your game against him even if the game doesnt matter at all, try to make the game look good okok?". so agreeing to these things in beforehand is the orgas responsibility, not the players

if naniwa knew this would revoke his code S, im 110% sure he wouldnt probe rush. but the orga failed to "warn" him or make it clear to him about the conditions which is the reason all this happened in the first place. that is why i think it was wrong for gsl to point the finger at naniwa and punish him. that is why i think its the tournament orgas to blame, not the player


again you are putting the responsiblity on GOM and their tournament structure. Based on the backlash by (mostly) swedish people, I would say it may have a flaw.

However, there are some major tournaments in the world that runs by group stage-> tournament format without any of this bullshit going on.

Also IMO, GOM did not have to baby lecture Naniwa about how he was required to at least put the least amount effort. Naniwa agreed to play knowing the format before hand... and now suddenly he finds the format BS when he is 0-3. yeah whatever.

Most of all, I dont even think this kind topic is debatable. I'm a avid sports fan and I would have flipped out if something like this happened in any other sports. Where plays just dick around and do nothing.

If this behaviour is accepted in Sweden, I want to move there. Because I can find every loophole in the contract and just mail it in.
JuneMay
Profile Joined May 2011
49 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4531
I'm so happy that this happened. Anyone remember incident like this in BW? I think that Naniwa is trying to make some kind of bad boy image too hard now. Also meaningless game? It was game that decide 4th and 5th place in group. Also its game that decide who will be better placed Nani vs Nestea (biggest rivals?), but since no money was involved its ok to skip it? That's very rude and he deserved this punishment.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4532
On December 15 2011 01:57 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:56 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well...on the bright side...we get to see more Sen! :D


hells yes!

Undeserved and invited out of popularity. highest non code S GSL point ranked person should've gotten it. i dont approve of that replacement at all. <.<


Yeah, who's this Sen guy? Fucking nobody, probably not the best Zerg foreigner either.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50536 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4533
On December 15 2011 01:58 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee


do you accept part of the responsiblity in missleading the masses releasing unchecked information? and if yes, will you reprimand/fire attention seeking slasher for lousy journalism ^^


don't fire slasher!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4534
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee

What's it gotta do with you if he didnt earn the spot thru MLG?
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Wallstreet11
Profile Joined October 2011
133 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4535
On December 15 2011 01:55 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:53 aderum wrote:

On December 15 2011 01:42 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Jokes on him, guess Nestea gets the last laugh. Don't know what the big deal is, NaNiWa intentionally did what he did to make a mockery of GOM tv judging by the unprofessional posture and his bored face. not only did he waste his time but the time of spectators who were expecting to see Code S level play, wasting the time of the commentators who go out of their way to do their job who dress in suits as professional as possible. Not some bull shit rebellious crap pulled by an angsty little girl. He's probably given a totally bad name to the Swedish people you all should be angered. Those in other countries including Koreans may even believe that perhaps, Sweden accepts this kind of behavior in their country? Try to see it as a bigger picture, not just amongst the minority of sc2 gamers. For those who think that what naniwa did is acceptable then you need to face the facts that reality is different from ideal. You can say he technically didn't break "any rules" but seriously, the real world doesn't always work like that. Try the NFL and NBA, lets put a team in there who doesn't want to face the other team, have them dance around the entire game to show their rebelliousness, they aren't breaking any rules, or perhaps they are? The bigger picture is is that it's completely disrespectful to the audience and the hosts of the tournament, it's wasting peoples money, the audience and the employees who help set this shit up. Seriously, use your god damn brain, you're dealing with an asian culture who in their perspective find this very offensive.


This "behavior" is accepted in Sweden, so i dont see your point.



Then I guess the point is proven and this is the image that Sweden portrays, according to your word.


Swedes does´n´t liek hypocrites and fakes as far as I have seen and therefore they don´t care much for "fake" matches. Naniwa still joined the game but simply played it out in the most ineffective way possible for a win. So laughable that he gets punished for it.
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4536
On December 15 2011 01:58 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee


do you accept part of the responsiblity in missleading the masses releasing unchecked information? and if yes, will you reprimand/fire attention seeking slasher for lousy journalism ^^

Slasher isn't a journalist. He's just a guy who bleats on about his opinion and forces it onto the big names he is able to get interviews with somehow.

User was warned for this post
YourOldBuddy
Profile Joined December 2011
Iceland94 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4537
I'm as great a Naniwa fan as they come and I recognize that this is Naniwa's fault. He gets payed to play his best. Hope they let him back in if he earns his spot again.

That said I'm was about to buy GSL code but I'm less likely when they don't live up to the G in GSL.
I hereby solemnly swear to buy access to GSL when either SASE or NANIWA gets in. HUK, Stephano or
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
December 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#4538
On December 15 2011 01:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee


clear this shitsorm my friend,for all our sakes!


Yeah, imagine MLG decided to refuse to pay for Korean's flight to MLG Providence. I'm SURE GSL wouldn't have minded that right? The fact that GSL even took this decision without factoring in their partnership is even worse than I thought initially.

This could literally break the exchange program.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | ┻━┻ ︵╰(°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
December 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#4539
On December 15 2011 01:53 aderum wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:42 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Jokes on him, guess Nestea gets the last laugh. Don't know what the big deal is, NaNiWa intentionally did what he did to make a mockery of GOM tv judging by the unprofessional posture and his bored face. not only did he waste his time but the time of spectators who were expecting to see Code S level play, wasting the time of the commentators who go out of their way to do their job who dress in suits as professional as possible. Not some bull shit rebellious crap pulled by an angsty little girl. He's probably given a totally bad name to the Swedish people you all should be angered. Those in other countries including Koreans may even believe that perhaps, Sweden accepts this kind of behavior in their country? Try to see it as a bigger picture, not just amongst the minority of sc2 gamers. For those who think that what naniwa did is acceptable then you need to face the facts that reality is different from ideal. You can say he technically didn't break "any rules" but seriously, the real world doesn't always work like that. Try the NFL and NBA, lets put a team in there who doesn't want to face the other team, have them dance around the entire game to show their rebelliousness, they aren't breaking any rules, or perhaps they are? The bigger picture is is that it's completely disrespectful to the audience and the hosts of the tournament, it's wasting peoples money, the audience and the employees who help set this shit up. Seriously, use your god damn brain, you're dealing with an asian culture who in their perspective find this very offensive.


This "behavior" is accepted in Sweden, so i dont see your point.


In any professional environment in Sweden, no it's not. Don't make shit up. If it's cool among the kids in the school yard is irrelevant.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
December 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#4540
On December 15 2011 01:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:58 snailz wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.

Please stay tuned. Thanks,

Lee


do you accept part of the responsiblity in missleading the masses releasing unchecked information? and if yes, will you reprimand/fire attention seeking slasher for lousy journalism ^^


don't fire slasher!


you're right, make him shave again
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
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