On September 28 2011 19:55 Sated wrote: "Gypsy" isn't a race. Hence, the comments aren't racist.
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"Gypsy" is a culture, a completely different thing to a race. What you are saying about Cloud is like me saying someone making comments about "Emo" kids is racist, since "Emo" is also a culture. Herpaderp.
This is my opinion aswell, even tho cloud should have a ban like TL did and theres nothing else to talk about.... someone said something bad and god punished the end!
On September 28 2011 19:57 Allwars wrote: This thread only gives a bad image of Cloud and should be closed. I really think things like this are unnecessary. You should not start a crusade against him like this.
However, the only fault of Cloud is to express his opinion under the tag of his team.
of course he gets bad image. I really hope so - if he's making that kind of racist comments at least I hope he looses lots of his fans. On TL he only got a 2 day ban so that won't effect him at all
This should made public (e.g. this thread) so that people know who Cloud really is
completely agree with this
public figures should be called out when they are a menace to society, and people should not wrongly admire them when they are scum
On September 28 2011 19:54 clazerxsniper wrote: unless you've had gypsies steal from and met them face to face, i would recommend not giving your opinion on this.
My ex girlfriend is a gypsy. Clouds comments are bollocks.
Ironic how he scoffs at people bringing out the 'nazi card' when he says above that the 'solution' is to kill as many as you can. He could claim that was a (really awful?) joke, but combined with the 'plague on humanity' stuff it starts to look like straight up racism.
You are British, British gypsies are a far far far far far different thing to the inland European variant.
Cloud crossed a line there, it wasn't even "only" a racist comment, he actually proposed killing people as a "solution". You actually think he shouldn't be called out on that?
It doesn't really matter if he said it on the internet, in an interview or any other occasion. He said it publically and he should face consequences for it.
I don't get why people hate everyone who says some races are different. Are people who says that not allowed to express their opinions?
Idra said something bad about french canadians on his stream once but i don't see any threads about it. But on the other hand I guess people don't mind because they're white.
On September 28 2011 20:00 Technique wrote: If you want pros to reply on forums like this, you should not single out their posts when they voice there opinion on non game related stuff.
You can agree/disagree with him in that particular topic, but making a topic about it is just lame.
i agree, this case was not related to sc2, hence his stance is as equal as any other, even if what he says is BAD, its still his opinion on non-sc2 related topic, making topic like this is just witch-hunt.
On September 28 2011 19:55 Sated wrote: Gypsy isn't a race. Hence, the comments aren't racist.
Advocating discrimination, and genocide, against ethnicities is wrong no matter what word choice lawyering you try to do.
The Jewish ethnicity isn't a race either.
I didn't say it was right, I said it wasn't racist.
so what's the purpose of your post? discrimination against ethnicities is just as wrong as discrimination against races. there's nothing wrong with racism being conflicted with discrimination against ethnicities, because they amount to the same thing
Considering that we have no standardised definition for race and ethnicity, I think we can safely group prejudice against either under 'racism'.
In this country gypsies are provided protection under the Race Relations Act.
Punishing Cloud is essentially at the same level as his own hostile reaction to the problem he discusses. In both cases, there are better approaches. The OP may not believe it, but it is possible to reason with Cloud on a personal level, instead of releasing him from a team, or fining him. Similarly, Cloud may not believe it, but it's possible to deal with any cultural problem with strictly cultural methods, without violence. All I see in Cloud's statement is that he's desperate and he doesn't have any idea what else to do to resolve such problem, and it's a really significant problem for a group of people (nation) he cares about.
Since i'm a bulgarian, i'm behind Cloud on this, you have to live with them to know actually what are the gypsy's, you can found an Sarkosi's statment about the gypsy's nobody actually wants them, they don't wanna adapt and live in any kind of society thats the truth. Sorry for the poor english.
i cant blame cloud for thinking this way because gypsy's are so terrible and those who never had to interact with them should not speak but rly I think he should keep it him self
As was stated above. Being a gypsy is a way of living. It is not a race, and I have to agree with aTnClouD's comments about them. They are not nice people. They do not live by law. Yet they are allowed to get away with so much. Note I am not being racist. I am expressing my own opinion of a way of life that is very untrue to our society. Much like the same way that I can complain about a corrupt government running our countries. You are only bringing this up because ClouD has somewhat fame under his name and should show respect. But we are all human. We all have our opinions, be them right or wrong. If I (a mere nobody in the starcraft scene) were to say all that would you make this thread about me? Ha! I highly doubt it. Even if so what are you aiming to achieve by calling someone out for their own opinions. It's almost political. It's a joke.
On September 28 2011 20:02 Sandtrout wrote: Cloud crossed a line there, it wasn't even "only" a racist comment, he actually proposed killing people as a "solution". You actually think he shouldn't be called out on that?
It doesn't really matter if he said it on the internet, in an interview or any other occasion. He said it publically and he should face consequences for it.
Why? Because his policital opinion is different than 95% of the populations'?
"I'd like to keep eSports unpolitical and have a good time with everyone"
-procedes to create a thread where he acuses a esport player of racist and political comments..
Gipsy problem is real, go and read the thread if you don't believe it and let cloud say what he thinks, you are not a judge to put this on a public forum and try and end his career.
Do you hate him so much? Like he hates gipsys? hmm you racist..
On September 28 2011 19:55 Sated wrote: Gypsy isn't a race. Hence, the comments aren't racist.
Advocating discrimination, and genocide, against ethnicities is wrong no matter what word choice lawyering you try to do.
The Jewish ethnicity isn't a race either.
I didn't say it was right, I said it wasn't racist.
so what's the purpose of your post? discrimination against ethnicities is just as wrong as discrimination against races. there's nothing wrong with racism being conflicted with discrimination against ethnicities, because they amount to the same thing
The OP is making a claim about Cloud that is based on comparing his statements with the blatantly racist comments of a football player. As Cloud wasn't being racist, this thread is stupid.
People who now discuss if "gypsies" are a "race" or not are not only wrong, they don't get the first bit of the problem. A Starcraft 2 player said publicly that an entire group of humans should be killed. You could replace "gypsies" with "Halo players" for all I care, that wouldn't be racist, true, but still absolutely intolerable.
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