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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
i neer saw the mani id hit your daughter joke ok if i had seen it id still have the same feelings , just me my OPINION u know? i dont care for that kind of humor never have never will not much else to say go have funleave me my fam alone and ill do the same have fun plz respect my family ill respect yours
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stop blowing it out of proportion
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I think you were wrong on this one baal. I mean if you had like put a smiley face in your post or something I'm sure he would've taken it as a joke. Just because Mani took it one way you shouldn't assume everyone else here will too.
Assume = Ass out of u and me.
In this case you and him.
Assuhim? (--v)
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United Kingdom10597 Posts
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my sister
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You do realize thats just opening up the pervs to perv her right?
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United States4471 Posts
Anyone who doesn't understand why FuDDx is taking such great offense to baal's comment is a fucking idiot.
Just because one person (Mani apparently) is okay with people posting offensive humor regarding their children, it doesn't give people the freedom to do so with everyone. One thing most posters on TL.net seem to miss is that the whole point is RESPECT. You respect each other and each other's feelings, particularly on sensitive issues (family definitely counts as one). What is offensive is not determined by the person making the comment nor is it determined by the audience who happens to read or hear it, it's determined by the person who is being targetted. Of course there is a general reasonability standard that is going to be maintained (i.e. a person taking offense to being called a "poop"), but I'm sure that most of the community recognizes where that general area lies.
As to baal's post in particular, I can understand why he thought the joke would be funny and that he didn't mean to offend FuDDx or his family. HOWEVER, once FuDDx expressed his feelings about the comment, the right thing to do would be to apologize for crossing a line that you didn't realize was there and try not to do it again. The mere suggestion that there's some sort of entitlement to making jokes about having sex with another person's offspring (particularly of a young age) is ridiculous, Mani's reaction to such jokes is a major exception and it would be ignorant to consider it as the rule.
Even if FuDDx's response was angry and lashed out at baal, it was a completely understandable response to such a joke. You try saying something like that to a father in real life and see what happens. The excuse "hey it's a running joke here" won't stop the guy from smashing your face in. If anything, I found FuDDx's response to be expected and reasonable, it should have come as no surprise to anyone here. Again, the appropriate response to his reaction should have been an apology.
I am sincerely surprised that anyone jumped in to defend baal's comment and criticize FuDDx. Even if you believe that baal had no bad intentions, I don't see how you can fail to understand FuDDx's perspective and see it as the appropriate one. Say all you want about context and the community, the appropriateness of comments involving a person's family is for that person to decide, not us.
P.S. No, baal should not be banned for his conduct, but he (and the people who sided with him against FuDDx) should take a step back and realize how ridiculous it is to be offended by FuDDx's response.
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MURICA15980 Posts
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And Cyric, that was really well said.
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On April 26 2005 21:40 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
As to baal's post in particular, I can understand why he thought the joke would be funny and that he didn't mean to offend FuDDx or his family. HOWEVER, once FuDDx expressed his feelings about the comment, the right thing to do would be to apologize for crossing a line that you didn't realize was there and try not to do it again. The mere suggestion that there's some sort of entitlement to making jokes about having sex with another person's offspring (particularly of a young age) is ridiculous, Mani's reaction to such jokes is a major exception and it would be ignorant to consider it as the rule.
Agreed.
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On April 26 2005 21:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize thats just opening up the pervs to perv her right?
perv perv
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On April 26 2005 21:40 XaI)CyRiC wrote: As to baal's post in particular, I can understand why he thought the joke would be funny and that he didn't mean to offend FuDDx or his family. HOWEVER, once FuDDx expressed his feelings about the comment, the right thing to do would be to apologize for crossing a line that you didn't realize was there and try not to do it again. that's exactly what baal did. :O
kind of
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On April 26 2005 20:23 softwarepirate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2005 10:53 FlavOrs wrote:On April 25 2005 16:42 softwarepirate wrote:On April 22 2005 19:45 FlavOrs wrote: damn you're a big 16 year old. for the comment on my size a pic just for you ^_^ Irish Bastard. EDIT:  im 100% irish!!! ^_^
i wasn't sure ;p what's your name? the ethnic irish names are always the best. my name is patrick o'neill, got that beat?
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On April 26 2005 21:40 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Anyone who doesn't understand why FuDDx is taking such great offense to baal's comment is a fucking idiot.
Just because one person (Mani apparently) is okay with people posting offensive humor regarding their children, it doesn't give people the freedom to do so with everyone. One thing most posters on TL.net seem to miss is that the whole point is RESPECT. You respect each other and each other's feelings, particularly on sensitive issues (family definitely counts as one). What is offensive is not determined by the person making the comment nor is it determined by the audience who happens to read or hear it, it's determined by the person who is being targetted. Of course there is a general reasonability standard that is going to be maintained (i.e. a person taking offense to being called a "poop"), but I'm sure that most of the community recognizes where that general area lies.
As to baal's post in particular, I can understand why he thought the joke would be funny and that he didn't mean to offend FuDDx or his family. HOWEVER, once FuDDx expressed his feelings about the comment, the right thing to do would be to apologize for crossing a line that you didn't realize was there and try not to do it again. The mere suggestion that there's some sort of entitlement to making jokes about having sex with another person's offspring (particularly of a young age) is ridiculous, Mani's reaction to such jokes is a major exception and it would be ignorant to consider it as the rule.
Even if FuDDx's response was angry and lashed out at baal, it was a completely understandable response to such a joke. You try saying something like that to a father in real life and see what happens. The excuse "hey it's a running joke here" won't stop the guy from smashing your face in. If anything, I found FuDDx's response to be expected and reasonable, it should have come as no surprise to anyone here. Again, the appropriate response to his reaction should have been an apology.
I am sincerely surprised that anyone jumped in to defend baal's comment and criticize FuDDx. Even if you believe that baal had no bad intentions, I don't see how you can fail to understand FuDDx's perspective and see it as the appropriate one. Say all you want about context and the community, the appropriateness of comments involving a person's family is for that person to decide, not us.
P.S. No, baal should not be banned for his conduct, but he (and the people who sided with him against FuDDx) should take a step back and realize how ridiculous it is to be offended by FuDDx's response.
What I said but put much better^^
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On April 26 2005 20:38 SLLIKSKILLS wrote: JELLYFISH toss
nice man that's neat. can you blow anything else?
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
In the outdoor jacuzzi during a ski trip. Almost passed out at this point.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On April 25 2005 08:36 IcedEarth wrote:I couldn't make it bigger, although the picture is at least 4 times bigger than this. Imageshack sucks
my dog is better
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United States4471 Posts
On April 26 2005 21:52 ItchReliever wrote: that's exactly what baal did. :O
Well, let's see..
On April 26 2005 20:20 baal wrote: Bleh, ill edit my post it was too harsh.
Anyway it was a joke, if you didnt like it just say so, and if you cant handle such a simple joke well you have some issues dude, have fun, its obvious it was a joke why getting mad about it, and please dont threat ppl over the internet is dumb.
I dont know you, you seem a cool guy, just chill k?
This doesn't sound very apologetic, seems more like baal is making light of FuDDx's feelings on the issue. If anything he's making FuDDx's response sound way out of line, and trying to make himself out to be the victim. Maybe he forgot that he was the one making a joke about having sex with someone else's child and FuDDx was the one showing completely justified offense to anyone implying anything sexual with his very young daughter.
On April 26 2005 20:31 baal wrote: Ofcourse you are her dad and its your duty as a dad to protect her, still if someone makes a joke wich is quite obvious, a very famous joke on tl.net wich has been done to a 1year old girl before yours i mean, you will have to deal with it dude, its not logicall to just go out because of a joke like that.
You cant take seriously something like that >.<, its just not right.
He admits that FuDDx's response is understandable, but uses the excuse that since his joke was used before as justification. Still doesn't seem to realize the ridiculousness of the notion that such jokes about a person's child are inappropriate in any setting and was only allowed before because the target of the jokes was okay with it.
On April 26 2005 20:40 baal wrote:
yeah no kidding because you mr 137 posts knows what is appropiate and what isnt.
I can quote more than 2 other ppl who said i'd hit it with manis daughter.
and with Zia pics, why respecting his daughter and not Zia?
Because its a joke!!! damn sandy vaginas!
Okay, so now he's using the "other people did it, so I can do it" argument to justify his comment. And trying to compare sexual jokes about Zia as opposed to FuDDx's daughter? I hope I don't have to explain the absurdity of that particular notion. There's a huge difference that should be apparent to anyone with half a brain.
On April 26 2005 20:58 baal wrote:
I and other guys did the EXACT SAME JOKE to Manifesto about his daugher, wich is even younger than yours, why didnt he spnaped out? why didnt he bitched about it, because he knows how to take a joke, and you dont.
i dont know what you mean by "Baal the boy" thing, but i assure you, you are being very inmature about this, grow up.
No. Mani did not "spnaped out" because he is a very specific and abnormal case of a person being okay about other people making sexual references to their young children. It has nothing to do with being able to take a joke, it has something to do with Mani being a rare exception to the general rule. Baal telling FuDDx that he's being immature and should grow up only further illustrates that he feels that he didn't do anything very wrong and that FuDDx being upset by his comments is unexpected and unreasonable.
Conclusion: baal's response to FuDDx's post was nowhere near apologizing and trying not to do it again. There was no implication that he understood the implications of his post and how wrong it was, nor is there any sign that he would refrain from doing it again to someone else. It boggles my mind at how completely askew the perspective is of many of our TL.net members to such basic things such as decency and respect for others.
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