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I can't believe this still is needed but religious and gun control side discussions will be met with harsh penalties from page 52 and onwards.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
July 22 2011 20:11 GMT
#1341
According to David Berry, from the department of Political Studies at Swansea University, on NRK in the last few minutes they interviewed the head of police in Oslo and he stated that the gunman was NOT wearing a police uniform, rather a blue jumper which had a Norwegian police badge or sign on it. He also confirmed that the suspect had never worked for the police.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Polarn
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway96 Posts
July 22 2011 20:11 GMT
#1342
There's going to be another press conference with Jens Stoltenberg at 22:30 (05:30 KST).
You can view it here: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=42341
I'm sure it'll be translated by someone here, anyway I'll try to translate some of the main points if I have the time.
ABC // ÆØÅ
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
July 22 2011 20:12 GMT
#1343
I am so surprised he did not shoot himself in the end, but very happy for it so we might get some answers...
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Eventh
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway45 Posts
July 22 2011 20:12 GMT
#1344
On July 23 2011 05:02 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:01 enemy2010 wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:00 zex66 wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:57 Nightshake wrote:
Is there a photo from the killer ?


Not sure if this is him or a real police officer:
WARNING GRAPHIC
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Holy shit.

I hope he has a hard time in prison. Assuming that is the guy.. fuck man, one of the worse pictures I've seen.

Prison in Norway isn't like that. He will at most spend 21 years locked up, and probably have access to Internet, TV, education and be safe from other prisoners.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
July 22 2011 20:12 GMT
#1345
Looks like a norwegian Timothy McVeigh. Some seriously sick people in this world.
ShiShKeBab
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden43 Posts
July 22 2011 20:12 GMT
#1346
On July 23 2011 05:11 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:07 ShiShKeBab wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:01 Badboyrune wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:54 Quotidian wrote:
I don't know what's worse - if this is a lone wolf kind of situation, or if it's connected to international terrorism..


I think if this was connected to terrorism it would be worse simply based on the political reactions it would have. In Sweden, and I think the other Nordic countries as well, immigration laws and views on Islam are already under quite a lot of focus. If this was indeed a terrorist act Nationalistic parties would probably gain a good bunch of support.

There's also the fact that if this was a terrorist act there's a pretty big chance he has not acted alone and that there are more attacks to come


Look, the guy who blew himself upp in Sthlm was a confirmed Islamist (indoctrinated in UK no diss luv UK), the Ansar and a guy from Al Qaida have taken responsibility explicitly. If it was some norweigan gone mad, why would they do this since he could have left a message or whatever to explain that he just does'nt like norweigan politicians. AND EVEN IF THEY WERENT BEHIND IT WHY THE FUCK TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THEY CAN FUCKING GO TO...



Nobody has taken responsibility, the one group that had originally claimed they were behind the attacks today has already retracted their statement.


Oh, so they felt unsure as to if they could stick with it???



???
asdasd
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
July 22 2011 20:13 GMT
#1347
On July 23 2011 05:08 Whalecore wrote:
This seems more and more like a psycho on a shooting spree than organized terror.. which is a good thing.


This whole thing looks way too "professional" to be the work of one man imo. It's not like anyone with no connections to organized crime/terrorism can just go ahead and buy that amount of explosives.
xlord 5:0
Polarn
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway96 Posts
July 22 2011 20:13 GMT
#1348
On July 23 2011 05:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:
According to David Berry, from the department of Political Studies at Swansea University, on NRK in the last few minutes they interviewed the head of police in Oslo and he stated that the gunman was NOT wearing a police uniform, rather a blue jumper which had a Norwegian police badge or sign on it. He also confirmed that the suspect had never worked for the police.


The blue jumper is pretty common for police as far as I know, and from what I could get from the press conference it was pretty much identical to the police issue one.
But, yes, it wasn't a uniform.
ABC // ÆØÅ
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
July 22 2011 20:13 GMT
#1349
On July 23 2011 05:12 Xiphias wrote:
I am so surprised he did not shoot himself in the end, but very happy for it so we might get some answers...


It's not likely people like this give sensible answers. Take a look at that Jared Loughner mess of a guy. He was alive in the end, but it didn't provide any closure or "answers". I dunno. Is there any word yet as to whether or not he's connected with any groups?
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
July 22 2011 20:13 GMT
#1350
On July 23 2011 05:12 Xiphias wrote:
I am so surprised he did not shoot himself in the end, but very happy for it so we might get some answers...

I can't imagine there are any answers other than that this man is completely insane. It requires a completely insane person to gun down a bunch of innocent youth, so his imagined justification for it is really irrelevant.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
partisan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States783 Posts
July 22 2011 20:14 GMT
#1351
On July 23 2011 05:12 ShiShKeBab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:11 partisan wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:07 ShiShKeBab wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:01 Badboyrune wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:54 Quotidian wrote:
I don't know what's worse - if this is a lone wolf kind of situation, or if it's connected to international terrorism..


I think if this was connected to terrorism it would be worse simply based on the political reactions it would have. In Sweden, and I think the other Nordic countries as well, immigration laws and views on Islam are already under quite a lot of focus. If this was indeed a terrorist act Nationalistic parties would probably gain a good bunch of support.

There's also the fact that if this was a terrorist act there's a pretty big chance he has not acted alone and that there are more attacks to come


Look, the guy who blew himself upp in Sthlm was a confirmed Islamist (indoctrinated in UK no diss luv UK), the Ansar and a guy from Al Qaida have taken responsibility explicitly. If it was some norweigan gone mad, why would they do this since he could have left a message or whatever to explain that he just does'nt like norweigan politicians. AND EVEN IF THEY WERENT BEHIND IT WHY THE FUCK TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THEY CAN FUCKING GO TO...



Nobody has taken responsibility, the one group that had originally claimed they were behind the attacks today has already retracted their statement.


Oh, so they felt unsure as to if they could stick with it???



???


Or the fact that anytime a car backfires in a western country, 5 wanna-be jihadist groups claim credit for setting off a bomb. Someone in the organization not authorized to make statements claimed responsibility for the attacks, and the head of said organization retracted that statement.


decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
July 22 2011 20:15 GMT
#1352
On July 23 2011 05:12 Eventh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:02 vyyye wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:01 enemy2010 wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:00 zex66 wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:57 Nightshake wrote:
Is there a photo from the killer ?


Not sure if this is him or a real police officer:
WARNING GRAPHIC
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Holy shit.

I hope he has a hard time in prison. Assuming that is the guy.. fuck man, one of the worse pictures I've seen.

Prison in Norway isn't like that. He will at most spend 21 years locked up, and probably have access to Internet, TV, education and be safe from other prisoners.


That actually sounds quite comfortable. You need to do something about that as a nation. Your civilization has advanced too far when compared to other nations. A terrorist from the middle east would view that as welcoming really. No work. Food, Entertainment etc.
decemberTV
venage
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden65 Posts
July 22 2011 20:16 GMT
#1353
I think his motive will be clear soon since they got him and he didn't do the good old suicide by police that you could expect from a desperate nut. I think its clear that he wants to express himself. Now if he doesn't then it all becomes so much scarier.
Laevateinn
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 20:17:41
July 22 2011 20:16 GMT
#1354
On July 23 2011 05:12 Eventh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:02 vyyye wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:01 enemy2010 wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:00 zex66 wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:57 Nightshake wrote:
Is there a photo from the killer ?


Not sure if this is him or a real police officer:
WARNING GRAPHIC
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Holy shit.

I hope he has a hard time in prison. Assuming that is the guy.. fuck man, one of the worse pictures I've seen.

Prison in Norway isn't like that. He will at most spend 21 years locked up, and probably have access to Internet, TV, education and be safe from other prisoners.


You honestly think he won't be put into "forvaring" and spend the rest of his life in prison?
Yes, we only have 21 years prison sentences, but we also have "Forvaring" which is if you are deemed a danger to society, and it can be extended into infinity, five years at a time.
vvLOSTvv
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 14:17:48
July 22 2011 20:16 GMT
#1355
Edit: I see my post was misinterpreted by some. What I said was not at all ment on a personal level (the youths on utøya, people in oslo etc), but on a national level. What I said was said/ment in a context of what Norway (and its allies, and the western world) do (or have done) to other people/nations, and even to its own people, mainly to different etnic groups like "samene" and "taterne".

Im sorry if I offended any, and if someone want a further explination/discussion on this plz msg me. This thread is closed, and this edit was edited in by a moderator.

--------------


an eye for an eye..and a tooth for a tooth

as you have done to others shall be done to you



what happend here in norway today should be no suprise to us. totaly expected imo.

User was temp banned for this post.
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
July 22 2011 20:16 GMT
#1356
Police officially states that they do NOT believe this is international terrorism.
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
July 22 2011 20:17 GMT
#1357
On July 23 2011 05:07 ShiShKeBab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:01 Badboyrune wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:54 Quotidian wrote:
I don't know what's worse - if this is a lone wolf kind of situation, or if it's connected to international terrorism..


I think if this was connected to terrorism it would be worse simply based on the political reactions it would have. In Sweden, and I think the other Nordic countries as well, immigration laws and views on Islam are already under quite a lot of focus. If this was indeed a terrorist act Nationalistic parties would probably gain a good bunch of support.

There's also the fact that if this was a terrorist act there's a pretty big chance he has not acted alone and that there are more attacks to come


Look, the guy who blew himself upp in Sthlm was a confirmed Islamist (indoctrinated in UK no diss luv UK), the Ansar and a guy from Al Qaida have taken responsibility explicitly. If it was some norweigan gone mad, why would they do this since he could have left a message or whatever to explain that he just does'nt like norweigan politicians. AND EVEN IF THEY WERENT BEHIND IT WHY THE FUCK TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THEY CAN FUCKING GO TO...


The reason why some radical political group would claim responsibility for actions they didn't do is an attempt to get the political benefits of having carried out the attack. Remember, there are a few alienated muslim fuckups who would probably support a Jihadist-style attack on Oslo. There's even been at least one alienated Norwegian fuckup in this very thread who would cheer on a bomb attack on the government. If you go about saying 'I did that' you can get those sorts of guys interested in joining your group, and maybe get journalists clambering to ask you why you did it, and you can go about explaining your point of view to the masses. Free publicity.

Rather silly, of course, because once people realise you're a paper tiger, they forget about you quickly, but that doesn't stop half a dozen little noname groups from claiming responsibility for every terrorist attack that gets a news headline. Because of this, real violent radical groups tend to give out secret codewords when phoning up police or news outlets to give bomb warnings and suchlike, in order to convince the people on the other end of the phone that they're genuine.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
July 22 2011 20:17 GMT
#1358
This shows that it would be very easy for right-wing extremists to further their political agenda by committing acts of terror. They just need to plant a bomb and never reveal who's behind it. Islamist groups are more than ready to take responsibility, as they crave for attention. This in turn strengthens the islamophobes. Scary thought.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 22 2011 20:17 GMT
#1359
On July 23 2011 05:14 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:12 ShiShKeBab wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:11 partisan wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:07 ShiShKeBab wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:01 Badboyrune wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:54 Quotidian wrote:
I don't know what's worse - if this is a lone wolf kind of situation, or if it's connected to international terrorism..


I think if this was connected to terrorism it would be worse simply based on the political reactions it would have. In Sweden, and I think the other Nordic countries as well, immigration laws and views on Islam are already under quite a lot of focus. If this was indeed a terrorist act Nationalistic parties would probably gain a good bunch of support.

There's also the fact that if this was a terrorist act there's a pretty big chance he has not acted alone and that there are more attacks to come


Look, the guy who blew himself upp in Sthlm was a confirmed Islamist (indoctrinated in UK no diss luv UK), the Ansar and a guy from Al Qaida have taken responsibility explicitly. If it was some norweigan gone mad, why would they do this since he could have left a message or whatever to explain that he just does'nt like norweigan politicians. AND EVEN IF THEY WERENT BEHIND IT WHY THE FUCK TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THEY CAN FUCKING GO TO...



Nobody has taken responsibility, the one group that had originally claimed they were behind the attacks today has already retracted their statement.


Oh, so they felt unsure as to if they could stick with it???



???


Or the fact that anytime a car backfires in a western country, 5 wanna-be jihadist groups claim credit for setting off a bomb. Someone in the organization not authorized to make statements claimed responsibility for the attacks, and the head of said organization retracted that statement.




Very common that there is a line of nutcases wanting to take the blaim or putting the blaim on someone when these kind ot things happen.
I am not young enough to know everything.
ShiShKeBab
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden43 Posts
July 22 2011 20:18 GMT
#1360
On July 23 2011 05:14 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 05:12 ShiShKeBab wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:11 partisan wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:07 ShiShKeBab wrote:
On July 23 2011 05:01 Badboyrune wrote:
On July 23 2011 04:54 Quotidian wrote:
I don't know what's worse - if this is a lone wolf kind of situation, or if it's connected to international terrorism..


I think if this was connected to terrorism it would be worse simply based on the political reactions it would have. In Sweden, and I think the other Nordic countries as well, immigration laws and views on Islam are already under quite a lot of focus. If this was indeed a terrorist act Nationalistic parties would probably gain a good bunch of support.

There's also the fact that if this was a terrorist act there's a pretty big chance he has not acted alone and that there are more attacks to come


Look, the guy who blew himself upp in Sthlm was a confirmed Islamist (indoctrinated in UK no diss luv UK), the Ansar and a guy from Al Qaida have taken responsibility explicitly. If it was some norweigan gone mad, why would they do this since he could have left a message or whatever to explain that he just does'nt like norweigan politicians. AND EVEN IF THEY WERENT BEHIND IT WHY THE FUCK TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THEY CAN FUCKING GO TO...



Nobody has taken responsibility, the one group that had originally claimed they were behind the attacks today has already retracted their statement.


Oh, so they felt unsure as to if they could stick with it???



???


Or the fact that anytime a car backfires in a western country, 5 wanna-be jihadist groups claim credit for setting off a bomb. Someone in the organization not authorized to make statements claimed responsibility for the attacks, and the head of said organization retracted that statement.




Ansar Al Islam is a pretty old and organized group, i wish someone who has been in northern Iraq can confirm this and tell us some about them. There was some army guy in this thread before.
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