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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 07 2011 08:53 GMT
#861
On May 07 2011 17:52 CEPEHDREI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 17:50 Mailing wrote:
On May 07 2011 17:49 fant0m wrote:
On May 07 2011 17:33 Mailing wrote:What basis do you have to say this? Because he leaves ladder matches when he gets bunker blocked?

NesTea was in a final game going into the finals of GSL, that single match won him over $10,000

IdrA would not have left that early at such an important time.


IdrA left one of his last GSL games in the first 5 minutes when he got bunker blocked....

Hardly a ladder game, *and* it put him in a huge hole.


NesTea gged after getting ONE bunker finished on the bottom of his ramp, game 1.

Did you miss that? IdrA had 2 on his ramp.


he had 5 drones left?


dunno, maybe he could of made a comeback? *shrug*

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Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
May 07 2011 08:53 GMT
#862
NesTea hands down
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Solai
Profile Joined September 2009
204 Posts
May 07 2011 08:54 GMT
#863
On May 07 2011 17:47 Amui wrote:
There is a ZERO percent chance that idra would've stayed in that game. Nestea quits when he has no money, no income, and no army and no chance. idra quits because he beats himself. He tells himself there is no chance, and leaves then. Idra thinks to himself that the opponent is playing an overpowered race. Nestea thinks of how to win. Even if they both have the same skill and decision making, Nestea will win over idra because he has the mentality of a champion.


That statement couldnt be any more precise and to the point. I hope Idra can overcome his weak state of mind at some point. He for sure can learn from Nestea, who made himself a legend with that impressive comeback!
TehForce
Profile Joined July 2010
1072 Posts
May 07 2011 08:56 GMT
#864
NesTea is back! best zerg ever
NesTea <3
Panicc
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany163 Posts
May 07 2011 09:05 GMT
#865
people are so easy minded as you can see here :/ thats just to low for every human being... stop hyoing nestea because of today. Thats just childish and doesnt make any sense. Yes he played good but thats it. After idra played Mvp on that game on his stream everyone screamed how idra was the best zerg... Thats exactly the same bullshit and I feel sorry to see such hyp here.... Like I said... everyone of you is so easy minded...
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 09:08:10
May 07 2011 09:06 GMT
#866
I vote for Nerchio, at least as EU King.

He's dismantling all the online tournaments, and within, players like Strelok, Morrow, TT1, DeMusliM, Darkforce etc.

TLPD speaks for itself.

Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 07 2011 09:10 GMT
#867
I would say the Idra would have quit in that Game 5 scenario but not because he's angry and what-not. Rather he's too rational, and the emotions only enter into the argument when he attempts to justify his actions. He would have seen that army siege up near his natural, calculated his options, and decided that his chances were close to none: then he would have explained it to himself as "this map is imba for zerg". He's lacking that primal hunger to win no matter the situation, no matter the odds. But Nestea has it and you can tell behind that composed demeanor is a man who wants it. Look at every game in this GSL that he lost to early aggression. Not once while he still had drones to mine did he ever quit, whether it was Fruitdealer's 7pool or sC's bunker rush. Can you say the same for any other Zerg?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
May 07 2011 09:16 GMT
#868
Well the only argument against Nestea was that he hadn't done anything lately. That's changed now, so he's clearly the #1 zerg.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 07 2011 09:19 GMT
#869
Nestea and its not close. How is Idra ahead of Losira and July? Come on now people. Idra is good, but he's not that good.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 07 2011 09:20 GMT
#870
On May 07 2011 18:05 Panicc wrote:
people are so easy minded as you can see here :/ thats just to low for every human being... stop hyoing nestea because of today. Thats just childish and doesnt make any sense. Yes he played good but thats it. After idra played Mvp on that game on his stream everyone screamed how idra was the best zerg... Thats exactly the same bullshit and I feel sorry to see such hyp here.... Like I said... everyone of you is so easy minded...

easy minded?

it's not just that single game, although it was the game that pushed him over the top to be clearly the best zerg in the world, but nestea has made it to the finals of the GSL yet again with great performances throughout like against anypro and sC
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
May 07 2011 09:20 GMT
#871
Idra losira and july are all the same in my books. IE, Not nestea.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
May 07 2011 09:22 GMT
#872
On May 07 2011 18:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Nestea and its not close. How is Idra ahead of Losira and July? Come on now people. Idra is good, but he's not that good.


Why not? :D

People are unfluenced by tournaments results too much. If nestea wins, then nestea best zerg in the world, if mc wins, he is best toss in the world. Then mc looses a lot and it no longer best player in the world.

You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 09:24:18
May 07 2011 09:23 GMT
#873
On May 07 2011 18:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Nestea and its not close. How is Idra ahead of Losira and July? Come on now people. Idra is good, but he's not that good.

Becuase IdrA plays.

July and Losira play somewhere between 6 and 10 games PER month that fans get to actually see.

It's sort of hard to judge, and 90% of the votes are fan votes anyways.

As for why idra MAY be better arguably, has better TLPD win rates in both korea and international than july.

Losira, on the other hand, has an extremely high ZvZ and ZvP win rate while a weirdly low TvZ win rate.

Obviously the argument is "only korean wins matter"

If that is you line of thinking a thread like this isn't even fair and should be closed and remade asking "Who is the best korean zerg"
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Darksidius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands52 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 09:26:27
May 07 2011 09:25 GMT
#874
On May 07 2011 17:41 Byyk wrote:
Idra is big time overrated player. Nestea and even Dimaga are easily better.

I'm not saying that IdrA is the best Zerg, but he's certainly one of the better ones. If you can't see that you are either not telling what you really think because you hate the player (not unthinkable considering his BM), or you lack braincells and understanding of the game.

Either way, you can't expect to get taken seriously saying that.

Edit: not saying that he's 100% better than NesTea or Dimaga, but he's one of the betters Zergs around
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
May 07 2011 09:32 GMT
#875
On May 07 2011 18:22 Alpina wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2011 18:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Nestea and its not close. How is Idra ahead of Losira and July? Come on now people. Idra is good, but he's not that good.


Why not? :D

People are unfluenced by tournaments results too much. If nestea wins, then nestea best zerg in the world, if mc wins, he is best toss in the world. Then mc looses a lot and it no longer best player in the world.



Tournaments are THE most accurate maesurement of one's play at that moment.
If someone wins a tournament, it means he played and won A TON of games vs the current best players.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 07 2011 09:33 GMT
#876
On May 07 2011 18:22 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 18:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Nestea and its not close. How is Idra ahead of Losira and July? Come on now people. Idra is good, but he's not that good.


Why not? :D

People are unfluenced by tournaments results too much. If nestea wins, then nestea best zerg in the world, if mc wins, he is best toss in the world. Then mc looses a lot and it no longer best player in the world.



This statement confuses me. Is it not tournament results that matter the most? Being good on ladder in the comfort of your own home is completely different from being good in front of a live audience on camera with tens of thousands of dollars on the line.
Xtal
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Haiti385 Posts
May 07 2011 09:34 GMT
#877
The Zerg King is... Nerchio

He's number 1 in SC2 ELO and he's peaking in all 3 match-ups.

How can you argue??

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1771_Nerchio
Have you ever heard the story, about the Zergling and the Probe? The Probe didn't make it across the creep.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
May 07 2011 09:39 GMT
#878
On May 07 2011 18:32 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 18:22 Alpina wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2011 18:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Nestea and its not close. How is Idra ahead of Losira and July? Come on now people. Idra is good, but he's not that good.


Why not? :D

People are unfluenced by tournaments results too much. If nestea wins, then nestea best zerg in the world, if mc wins, he is best toss in the world. Then mc looses a lot and it no longer best player in the world.



Tournaments are THE most accurate maesurement of one's play at that moment.
If someone wins a tournament, it means he played and won A TON of games vs the current best players.


Of course it is - tournaments matter the most. But I mean even single set victory and people already changed their minds about best player. I mean just look at this topic, as soon as july wins GSL match ppl start screaming july is best then he looses and losira wins, then everyone starts screaming losira is best, etc.

Korean zergs are especially hard to judge because they are playing a very small amount of games live, so a single win or loose changes ppl minds by a lot.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
May 07 2011 09:41 GMT
#879
On May 07 2011 18:34 Xtal wrote:
The Zerg King is... Nerchio

He's number 1 in SC2 ELO and he's peaking in all 3 match-ups.

How can you argue??

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1771_Nerchio


Sc2 international index. Sorry, Nestea is the undisputed king.
secret - never again
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
May 07 2011 09:50 GMT
#880
On May 07 2011 18:41 ch33psh33p wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2011 18:34 Xtal wrote:
The Zerg King is... Nerchio

He's number 1 in SC2 ELO and he's peaking in all 3 match-ups.

How can you argue??

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1771_Nerchio


Sc2 international index. Sorry, Nestea is the undisputed king.


I don't see Nestea in top 50 even so...
or maybe you were talking about the Korean ranking?
Now it comes to if Korean ELO is superior to the international one.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
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