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On April 30 2011 19:37 gnutz wrote:
Never ever Idra.
He is not the best foreigner (Dimaga is), and if you even do count the Koreans in there, he is far from the top.
At least he is the best Amercan Zerg. Although i think Sheth has better ZvP.
Idra is a notch above Dimaga(As in I think in a best of 5,think Idra would win 3-1). Not only a better macro player I feel his play is just so much more solid. There's a reason why Dimaga falls prey to the lure of baneling bust, of trying to end the game quickly. It's not so much that he feels he's worse than the other player, it's his mindset. I know Dimaga did and still does feel zerg is the weakest race, and because of that often does risky things which he feels can "offset" that. Rather than relying on standard play, Dimaga has had a large success in great part in due to going to Korea. Notice how Dimaga hasn't been "shining stellar" recently in tournaments, while he took out some of the best players in Korea.
Agressive players take the scene by storm, then fall once they are figured out.
Kyrix baneling busted his way to glory, and went out with rushing Losira twice and failing.
July Zerg took the next mantle, and got to the GSL finals(partly due to a pretty easy bracket, partly due to the fact he wasn't figured out.)
Dimaga is the person who follows. Koreans haven't played against Dimaga on ladder, they don't know his playstyle. It's no wonder that Dimaga managed to take some games off of top Koreans!
Yet how did he do it?
-10 pooled all in'd NesTea
-baneling busted MVP(although admittedly after a long macro game, which he was about to lose anyway.)
Sure he managed to take a game off of Nes Tea, and beat July(again, not as big as it appears) IN HIS BEST MATCHUP!
But as a whole Dimaga just isn't as solid as Idra, who wins games despite being predictable, despite being disillusioned by the state of Zerg.
There's a reason why Idra get's all ined alot more than Dimaga, people fear him more. Idra is simply the better player. Got at least to round of 16 in GSL 3 times in a row, one of the most consistent players there.
But Idra is not even the best Zerg player, and I'm pretty shocked that he's voted #1. If Idra is a notch up from Dimaga, Nes tea is 3 notches up.
NesTea, GSL finalist Season 2.
NesTea, who has such an unbeatable ZvZ that the majority of his losses( a mere 3) come from the result of early pool all ins.
NesTea, who got bunker rushed, lost a bunch of drones to Clide, and almost managed to win through macro.
NesTea, who got 6 gated from San, lost his 3rd, and dragged the game on 20 minutes longer and almost staged a comeback.
NesTea, the player with by far not only greater mechanics than Idra, but the better decision making as well.
NesTea is the Zerg King, of that there is no doubt.
On May 01 2011 02:34 manicshock wrote:
Dimaga beat Nestea by figuring out builds to beat him specifically on specific maps. It was MVP who he was playing, not MKP. IdrA and Dimaga aren't ready to become zerg kings, Losira and Nestea are very strong though.
As in he 10 pooled and pulled his drones? Sometimes players do figure out these awesome timings and "figure out builds to beat him specifically on specific maps!" Sometimes players are just cheesing.
I feel Idra could be zerg king, and he has the potential. If he truly dedicated himself like Nes Tea does he could compete in a year.
And forgive me, it was MVP.
On May 01 2011 02:37 mango_destroyer wrote:
Nestea easily.
Why?
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Dimaga beat Nestea by figuring out builds to beat him specifically on specific maps. It was MVP who he was playing, not MKP. IdrA and Dimaga aren't ready to become zerg kings, Losira and Nestea are very strong though.
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I think Idra fans are a bit unrealistic about him being the best, his highest placement in GSL was 8th in the same tourney that Nestea took 4th. His tournament results don't hold up to a lot of the Koreans.
Then again Idra haters are voting with their dislike of him rather than any legitimate reasoning. He is VERY good, watching his stream you see how refined and crisp his play is. Also his placements haven't been the best lately but he has finished as the top Zerg in most tournaments (MLG, Dreamhack, etc).
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On April 30 2011 19:37 gnutz wrote:
Never ever Idra.
He is not the best foreigner (Dimaga is), and if you even do count the Koreans in there, he is far from the top.
At least he is the best Amercan Zerg. Although i think Sheth has better ZvP.
Just how there is blatant fanboyism for idra, this comment shows the blatant hating as well. If you really looked at both players objectively, there is actually almost no evidence for dimaga being better than idra.
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On May 01 2011 02:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 02:34 manicshock wrote:
Dimaga beat Nestea by figuring out builds to beat him specifically on specific maps. It was MVP who he was playing, not MKP. IdrA and Dimaga aren't ready to become zerg kings, Losira and Nestea are very strong though. As in he 10 pooled and pulled his drones? Sometimes players do figure out these awesome timings and "figure out builds to beat him specifically on specific maps!" Sometimes players are just cheesing.
Guess what, Dimaga did use those "builds to beat him specifically." Surprise? I remember somewhere he mentioned the 10 pool, but for now I can only find this quote.
I am extremely happy. I am feeling good because I beat Nestea who is considered the best in ZvZ. I studied Nestea’s builds and practiced only builds that would counter him for today.
From http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206920 Perhaps he's just lying through his teeth and you happen to know Dimaga better then he knows himself?
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I would say NesTea is right about there in terms of being the Zerg King.
IdrA is right behind him.
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What is with the illogical voting of no throne, no matter how bad they are, there is still a best Zerg... Anyways it probably is either Nestea or Idra, Losira is definitely in he top three though
for clarification, I am neither a huge idra or nest fan, though i enjoy watching idra's games, i am only a true fan of fantasy
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On May 01 2011 05:40 iTzAnglory wrote:
What is with the illogical voting of no throne, no matter how bad they are, there is still a best Zerg... Anyways it probably is either Nestea or Idra, Losira is definitely in he top three though
for clarification, I am neither a huge idra or nest fan, though i enjoy watching idra's games, i am only a true fan of fantasy
When you have many people of similar levels of power in a government, there is no king.
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On May 01 2011 02:50 Horse...falcon wrote:
I think Idra fans are a bit unrealistic about him being the best, his highest placement in GSL was 8th in the same tourney that Nestea took 4th. His tournament results don't hold up to a lot of the Koreans.
Then again Idra haters are voting with their dislike of him rather than any legitimate reasoning. He is VERY good, watching his stream you see how refined and crisp his play is. Also his placements haven't been the best lately but he has finished as the top Zerg in most tournaments (MLG, Dreamhack, etc).
I guarantee you if you saw any other top zerg in the world play in FP view you wouldn't have any favoritism towards idra
you watch him play on the NA ladder for god's sake beating people who aren't even considered pro players; if you want to be the best, you have to play the best (and win). IPL is not the best tournament in any way shape or form
there's this false idea going around that for some reason idra has the best mechanics just because you get to watch him play without seeing anyone else play
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On May 01 2011 05:40 iTzAnglory wrote:
What is with the illogical voting of no throne, no matter how bad they are, there is still a best Zerg... Anyways it probably is either Nestea or Idra, Losira is definitely in he top three though
for clarification, I am neither a huge idra or nest fan, though i enjoy watching idra's games, i am only a true fan of fantasy
No throne just means that there's no clear best player; we can't really compare IdrA's undefeated records in NASL and IPL to the GSL statuses of the Korean zergs; no player is so utterly dominant that we can just call him the "Zerg King."
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On May 01 2011 05:44 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 05:40 iTzAnglory wrote:
What is with the illogical voting of no throne, no matter how bad they are, there is still a best Zerg... Anyways it probably is either Nestea or Idra, Losira is definitely in he top three though
for clarification, I am neither a huge idra or nest fan, though i enjoy watching idra's games, i am only a true fan of fantasy No throne just means that there's no clear best player; we can't really compare IdrA's undefeated records in NASL and IPL to the GSL statuses of the Korean zergs; no player is so utterly dominant that we can just call him the "Zerg King."
Yes you can....the best zerg is the king and it's nestea. This isnt some complicated issue, they're just not dominant like MC.
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ugk idra.... US best doesn't mean World Best. people need to get off the idea of US = World.
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On May 01 2011 05:55 shire wrote:
ugk idra.... US best doesn't mean World Best. people need to get off the idea of US = World.
That's not what anyone is thinking, they all know who nestea, dimaga, july, losira are.
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On May 01 2011 05:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 02:50 Horse...falcon wrote:
I think Idra fans are a bit unrealistic about him being the best, his highest placement in GSL was 8th in the same tourney that Nestea took 4th. His tournament results don't hold up to a lot of the Koreans.
Then again Idra haters are voting with their dislike of him rather than any legitimate reasoning. He is VERY good, watching his stream you see how refined and crisp his play is. Also his placements haven't been the best lately but he has finished as the top Zerg in most tournaments (MLG, Dreamhack, etc). I guarantee you if you saw any other top zerg in the world play in FP view you wouldn't have any favoritism towards idra you watch him play on the NA ladder for god's sake beating people who aren't even considered pro players; if you want to be the best, you have to play the best (and win). IPL is not the best tournament in any way shape or form there's this false idea going around that for some reason idra has the best mechanics just because you get to watch him play without seeing anyone else play
Almost as false as the idea that other zergs are better than him because they can take 1-2 games off someone like NesTea or MVP?
Yeah.....
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Imo the throne is empty at the moment, there is no player clearly better than the rest. BUt i hope this will change soon
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IdrA is the best. I know that, you know that, the survey also knows that.
Answer that throne is currently empty is really stupid. No one will be better that these guys from pool.
R u waiting for Einstein who will abandon the physics and start playing sc2? That's impossible.(Because someone so smart wouldnt choose Zerg  )
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This thread is sooo good. Every day i get insulted by bad zergs over and over again i can watch at this poll and know who far the zerg community is away from reality.
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On May 01 2011 06:02 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 05:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On May 01 2011 02:50 Horse...falcon wrote:
I think Idra fans are a bit unrealistic about him being the best, his highest placement in GSL was 8th in the same tourney that Nestea took 4th. His tournament results don't hold up to a lot of the Koreans.
Then again Idra haters are voting with their dislike of him rather than any legitimate reasoning. He is VERY good, watching his stream you see how refined and crisp his play is. Also his placements haven't been the best lately but he has finished as the top Zerg in most tournaments (MLG, Dreamhack, etc). I guarantee you if you saw any other top zerg in the world play in FP view you wouldn't have any favoritism towards idra you watch him play on the NA ladder for god's sake beating people who aren't even considered pro players; if you want to be the best, you have to play the best (and win). IPL is not the best tournament in any way shape or form there's this false idea going around that for some reason idra has the best mechanics just because you get to watch him play without seeing anyone else play Almost as false as the idea that other zergs are better than him because they can take 1-2 games off someone like NesTea or MVP? Yeah.....
No, but I do believe there are several zergs that have had more success than idra in tournaments with very prestigious players recently
I think Idra is up there with Dimaga, both of their vs. P's are relatively weak, but they're both good in ZvZ and ZvT
Sen is a bit overrated (I only say this because he is not the best foreign zerg in the world)
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