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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 22 2011 08:09 GMT
#201
On April 22 2011 17:05 bwally wrote:
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On April 22 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 22 2011 16:57 bwally wrote:
Somewhat off topic but related to why I would choose IdrA.

It leads to a whole other nebulous discussion on why July, Losira are winning...will it last or won't it. Will they be the next fruitdealer. So I am coming from the angle on whether their style or skill can last.

IMO I don't think so.

lol? seriously? the way in which july and losira did so well in their recent tournaments wasn't based on some overpowered gimmick like scv all ins that rain pulled off in s3

they won with everything and a variety of things including all-ins, aggression, macro, and just straight up outplaying their opponents each of the way through

being safe and predictable hurts more than helps once you become well-known, and that's why idra and nestea are on the decline


July and Losira are pretty gimmicky imo.

mixing in all-ins and aggression is not gimmicky

if you think that's all they are you clearly weren't watching all the games
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
April 22 2011 08:10 GMT
#202
On April 22 2011 17:05 bwally wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 22 2011 16:57 bwally wrote:
Somewhat off topic but related to why I would choose IdrA.

It leads to a whole other nebulous discussion on why July, Losira are winning...will it last or won't it. Will they be the next fruitdealer. So I am coming from the angle on whether their style or skill can last.

IMO I don't think so.

lol? seriously? the way in which july and losira did so well in their recent tournaments wasn't based on some overpowered gimmick like scv all ins that rain pulled off in s3

they won with everything and a variety of things including all-ins, aggression, macro, and just straight up outplaying their opponents each of the way through

being safe and predictable hurts more than helps once you become well-known, and that's why idra and nestea are on the decline


July and Losira are pretty gimmicky imo.


We're now going off topic and falling off the trail. There's nothing wrong with having a few gimmicky strategies in your arsenal. We've seen consistent macro players play well in tournaments. Specifically in GSL, we've seen players like Idra, nada, jinro play very few gimmicky strategies and pull out decently consistent results. But that's the thing. Having a few tricks up your sleeves is what pushes you to the next level. I can't find the quote from Idra right now about risk taking but taking risks is what pushes you above the rest. It's why Mvp,Mc,marine king, etc are able to push up to the top so often. They take risks which pay off. Safe play will only get you so far. Again I'm completely going off topic in this thread but I felt like I needed to point this out.
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Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
April 22 2011 08:12 GMT
#203
Nestea.

Until he pulls a Fruitdealer he's gotta be top. Losira is looking to be like another zerg all-star. I'm not too impressed with July, his SC2 play hasn't been terrible but (imo) it hasn't been anything amazing, either. Idra is still a boss but as a huge fan I still hate his attitude, I wish he wouldn't GG instantly (the MLG match vs Huk is proof of it) before he lets it play out. Ret is one of my favorite players, I'm a huge fan but I can't honestly say he's up there with the top Zergs in the world right now.

I'm fans of all of these players, I'd love to see Idra and Ret start dominating but like I said, I can't see anyone taking Nestea's place at the moment.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 22 2011 08:13 GMT
#204
Got to be NesTea. I think July's insane aggression style isnt going to be winning how he has been lately, and that he will be figured out soon.

But, i think there isnt really a king of zergs atm. i wont state my reasons, as there is no balance discussion allowed.
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mczbot
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany70 Posts
April 22 2011 08:16 GMT
#205
jeez, can you american fellas stop hyping idra to no end? its annoying as fuck
pandaminion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States270 Posts
April 22 2011 08:17 GMT
#206
If it was ZvZ King, I'd say Nestea without a doubt. However, we haven't seen a Zerg consistently win, so I say the throne is still up for grabs.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 22 2011 08:18 GMT
#207
also to go off on another tangent, I'd say min is getting way too much credit thanks to artosis

he beat one not so great player and then lost right after to a not so great player

he's probably the new Seed except even worse because he's only won 1 game in his televised career
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 08:25:09
April 22 2011 08:21 GMT
#208
I want to say IdrA but he hasn't been dominated like I think he should have since he came back to the americas. You should be able to scout and counter a 6 gate even if he spread out his gates a little when you're a pro...

I think it's empty, Nestea hasn't been dominating at all recently either. July is the closest right now, but his still is in my opinion pretty unstable and once people adjust and play super safe he'll have trouble. He always relies with people getting lazy, cutting corners and him finding a way to punish. It's super impressive but we saw how it played out with MC who just made a ton of units and fucked him up instead of getting cute. July lost to a 6 gate too. How pro do you have to be to get burrow when your lair finishes?

Disappointing Zergs... I think Sheth is on the road to becoming a top zerg.

Try another route paperboy.
soupchicken
Profile Joined October 2010
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 08:26:39
April 22 2011 08:24 GMT
#209
Idra has shown remarkable growth in his play recently on his stream. Idra and Losira are my two favorite to take the throne.

GSL spoilers:
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Hopefully Losira can iron out his new interesting PvZ style. I was so happy he wasn't eliminated yesterday, that game on xel'naga fortress was really weird. I feel like if he micro'd better he could've won, but I dunno I have to rewatch it.


Nestea is good, but I rarely get to see him play these days and nothing he's done recently has really been all that impressive so I'm not sure. July is obviously great as well. I'd love to see him take GSL May especially now that MC is out.

If July wins GSL May, then I'd have to hand the throne over to him.

NASL spoilers:
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However is really poor showing against ensnare in the NASL today worries me.


Really though, to me the throne goes to the first zerg who can show everyone how to win consistently in ZvP. Idra's play recently has me thinking that he's on the right track as far as figuring it out goes. Either way I'm just excited to see how Zergs adapt to recent challenges.
TrANCE,
Profile Joined December 2010
301 Posts
April 22 2011 08:25 GMT
#210
Idra shouldn't even be on the list he's already defeated on most games he enters a king should be someone that never gives up
Nephrite
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia202 Posts
April 22 2011 08:26 GMT
#211
Overall, I would still say Nestea even though we havent seen him play very much recently. Best in form right now would have to be July.
T: MVP, Polt, MKP, Boxer... P: Hero, MC, Inca , VINES... Z: Coca, DRG, Zenio, Leenock
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
April 22 2011 08:28 GMT
#212
If i had to judge by physical presence Dimaga would win with ease but by playstyle/... i voted for "there's no king" ^^
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theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
April 22 2011 08:28 GMT
#213
i like the kobe bryant reference, i've always thought the same myself. Idra is the zerg king. Look at his game play recently. He will claim his throne this year.
thebullfrog
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
April 22 2011 08:31 GMT
#214
I don't think Zerg has a king yet but I also don't think it will be as easy to get their as Protoss players try to tell the Zergs
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 22 2011 08:31 GMT
#215
It would have to be between July and Losira currently.

NesTea's a good player, but he's only getting older, I don't really think he can push himself so much anymore.

Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 08:34:40
April 22 2011 08:34 GMT
#216
1. Nestea
2. Dimaga
3. Losira
4. Sen
5. July
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Nephrite
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia202 Posts
April 22 2011 08:40 GMT
#217
On April 22 2011 17:34 Technique wrote:
1. Nestea
2. Dimaga
3. Losira
4. Sen
5. July


Switch July and Dimaga and I would agree with you on that.
T: MVP, Polt, MKP, Boxer... P: Hero, MC, Inca , VINES... Z: Coca, DRG, Zenio, Leenock
sicarii
Profile Joined April 2011
United States93 Posts
April 22 2011 08:40 GMT
#218
I dont appreciate my kobe being compared to IdrA if anyone hes like Carmelo... hes good... just not able to get it done with what hes got... the lebron reference worked well I voted vacant cause no one has been impressive lately.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
April 22 2011 08:46 GMT
#219
I'd say nestea, but it's been sooo long by now.

No offense to idra, but I think his influence might be a bit of the reason why zerg is a bit stagnant. He's so good, he gets away with a lot of stuff and reacts appropriately, but the players mimicking him, just see the top layer of his decision making, don't react right and then act like he does when he looses. Imo July has brought a lot more positive attitude to the zerg race, though I can't say I'm loving the econ bling busts
Hostile
Profile Joined September 2010
United States49 Posts
April 22 2011 08:56 GMT
#220
Too wide open at the moment but I like what I see from LosirA (although I definitely want to see his games in Code S), Idra, Sen and July (GSL March fail still leaves a sour taste in my mouth though). Mondragon might be a new favorite with his play in the TSL but I still need to see more.
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