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JupiterJazz
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 07:56:17
April 19 2011 07:55 GMT
#21
what the, i dont even.. i dont try to be mean but is this kinda a usa problem? demuslim was the one i think, at DH who said something about 'rape' and 'face' talking about a game situation and i dont think anyone even remembers it properly because its just not a problem in europe.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
April 19 2011 07:57 GMT
#22
Hey you idiots.

If you want to make esports acceptable, if you want to get sponsors, if you want SC2 to be something that can be shown on TV, you have to drop this internet lingo, ironic racism, ironic misogyny, and of course drop the word "rape" no matter how much you hate women and think they're all sluts for not looking at you during class.

I am glad they decided to apologize, and I hope the next LAGTV episode will be both funnier and cleaner.


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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 19 2011 07:57 GMT
#23
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ven
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 08:00:03
April 19 2011 07:57 GMT
#24
On April 19 2011 16:35 Dagobert wrote:
Pretty sure Day9 said 'rape[-d,-ing]' during one of the matches at DH, so I don't think the mere mention of the word would stir much debate.

Demuslim uses it all the time when casting games - online and offline events alike - and while there are a few people pointing out it might not be appropriate there has never been any kind of real backlash, not like this.
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
April 19 2011 07:58 GMT
#25
Moved to sc2.
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Render
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States249 Posts
April 19 2011 08:01 GMT
#26
On April 19 2011 16:36 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 16:31 travis wrote:
political correctness bullshit is what it is


Seriously, I've been playing games online since I was a kid, and using the term 'rape' in the context of dominating someone is basically a staple of gaming lexicon. I've never met anyone offended by it ever; now all of a sudden it's a big taboo and we're burning NASL/Lag TV at the stake?

I feel like people just want to bitch about something for the sake it.


No, people have serious experiences with rape, and there have been heated debates about the word's usage on these forums for awhile. I did not hear the joke that happened on the NASL stream so I can't really comment on it, but the OP summed it up for me when he said the first thing he thought of was, "hey... someone does like em big." That is showing me that he really hasn't thought about rape all that much. Rape is a forced nonconsensual sexual act... "liking em big" has nothing to do with that. To OP: Please think about what you say before you make sweeping judgmental (and somewhat violent) criticisms of others.
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pampelmus
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Switzerland215 Posts
April 19 2011 08:02 GMT
#27
Thank you for speaking the truth. People need to realize that words don't have "definite" meanings. Everyone and their grandmother knows that in the context of esports "rape" has nothing to do with the sexual crime at all.


Yes, words do not have definite meanings. They have different meanings for every person. For some people in some cultures they bring up associations that the word does not for you or others. I don't know why, but I feel it mostly the casters from the US that use the word, but not the european ones. I'm feeling always a bit offended and uncomfortable when people say things like "its like rape, the zerglings are my hand and the roaches are my mighty roach dick". It's just an analogy that I don't want to hear.

You might call it political correctness. Others might be offended. Easy solution: Just not use it.
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
April 19 2011 08:02 GMT
#28
On April 19 2011 16:31 travis wrote:
political correctness bullshit is what it is

Did you watch the episode?
Most TL'ers weren't offended (who complained, of course) because they heard some bad word god forbid their holy and virginal ears would understand, it was because when you're going for a comedy routine involving off-color humour, there's a really fine line between the soft spot of the morality of the prevalecent culture and just bad taste, regardless of your moral stance.

Something like South Park walks that line a lot, with more hits than misses for most of its audience, whereas this particular show (I watched another random episode just to see if they were always that vulgar or this was just a "miss" and imo, this was more the latter, although still not exactly my cup of tea when it comes down to humor) was just bad and overly vulgar. There's no "political correctness bullshit" going on, just an admittance to a very poor show.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 08:04:23
April 19 2011 08:03 GMT
#29
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10989 Posts
April 19 2011 08:04 GMT
#30
Rape in game terms for me just means "utter domination".


I don't get the issue at all..
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
April 19 2011 08:05 GMT
#31
Maybe just put a disclaimer at the end of every broadcast that reads:

"In the event the word rape is used it is with the understanding that it means to destroy or pillage an enemy and has no sexual connotations attached to it. Get your minds out of the gutter."

I'm a firm believer that there is no such thing as bad humor. There are lines that are pretty damn close that some people flirt with, but using the word rape simply isn't one of them to me.
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Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 08:07:00
April 19 2011 08:05 GMT
#32
What's the context? I don't see anything wrong with talking about collosi raping marines or something like that. The meaning of rape would be very obvious. The meaning of rape would not be sex related at all. Some people make it that way though and then they complain.
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
April 19 2011 08:06 GMT
#33
On April 19 2011 16:39 Jerubaal wrote:
I think NASL should just stop issuing apologies from here on out. If you don't like it, don't watch it.


I agree with this. They are constantly improving. People don't seem to realize that they rebroadcast for Europe and stream in 480p for FREE. The GSL doesn't restream for America and their HQ is about 480 (correct me if I'm from). They are doing their absolute best and people shouldn't be so quick to judge.
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 08:16:41
April 19 2011 08:14 GMT
#34
People didn't like the clip because" when cheese fails" is such low brow 13 yo pandering.However since TL has such hash moderation on direct criticism, the community focused on them saying rape because its seen as a more legitimate complaint. Lets all just criticize "WCF" for being unfunny canned laughter trash not for using insults common throughout the gaming community.
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SelectStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom129 Posts
April 19 2011 08:16 GMT
#35
Anyone that has a problem with it, please get over it. Its not a big deal! there is bigger things to worry about it this world than a misperceived word...

Loosen up plz
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 19 2011 08:16 GMT
#36
You should google the stand-up comedian George Carlin and his show Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics.

This guy knew and made fun of the rigid view off some people concerning words in the 90s.

Words don't hurt, only the meaning some people give them.
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Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
April 19 2011 08:17 GMT
#37
Are they even serious in that apology? I don't really get it.

Anyway, I think there are better words than rape, but I wouldn't start complaining if it was used either. Hardly the first cast I've seen it in, dreamhack invitational is one example.
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
April 19 2011 08:19 GMT
#38
On April 19 2011 16:41 Bosu wrote:
I couldn't care less about the words they used. The problem was it just wasn't very good.


Yeah i turned off the stream after about 3 seconds of it. Who is it meant to appeal to? Like the videos on tv of people falling down stairs or whatever are funny to thick people, but hopefully in an esport we can assume a basic level of intelligence.
GriNn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States243 Posts
April 19 2011 08:22 GMT
#39
On April 19 2011 16:31 travis wrote:
political correctness bullshit is what it is


Yeah, sad to see the community devolve into this.
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busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
April 19 2011 08:23 GMT
#40
It's sad such things are always blown out of proportion. When jinro said fuck on GSL, there was some people who was very upset and I know it's because you never swear on American TV. Well. if they're aiming on ESPN I think they need to start censoring. If they're aiming international and online, they should not.
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