[H] 6 pool 7 drone, scouted him last

also, use your scouting probe that he ran by to kill his drones or harass them.

On March 20 2011 22:34 Flavalanche wrote:
Just make your normal protoss 1-slot wall into a full wall with a pylon, and you should be able to chronoboost out a couple zealots by the time he gets in, and even then pull off a few probes.

On March 20 2011 22:38 DoctorPhil wrote:

But he stood there with a drone so I couldnt finish it, and a second later all his stuff was there. I dooubt a complete wall off would have helped, I didnt have a forge thus no cannons. Forge first is for forge expand, but I don't do that on a map like this. Even if I had finished a zealot, It would not be enough and he would destroy the wall.

you have to FINISH IT
PULL PROBE IF NEEDED
its a crucial thing in PvZ, never let them delay your cyber!!!!

On March 20 2011 23:36 DoctorPhil wrote:
I just looked at the timings where an overlord can earlyest spot your base when you start sideways of each other. These are the only 4 player maps I haven't vetoed where there is no area in between to scout.

Metalopolis. 1:30
Shattered temple. 1:16
For other 4 player maps with short sideways distances send a worker at the area in between if there is one.

Hope this helps some other people too.

On March 20 2011 23:52 Geiko wrote:
Sarcasm because no one is going to pull a worker of mining for the sole purpose of trying to spot an overlord ...
I already explained that you can counter this rush by actually trying to improve your play instead of blaming game balance.

On March 20 2011 23:52 Geiko wrote:
Sarcasm because no one is going to pull a worker of mining for the sole purpose of trying to spot an overlord ...
I already explained that you can counter this rush by actually trying to improve your play instead of blaming game balance.

On March 20 2011 23:52 Geiko wrote:
Sarcasm because no one is going to pull a worker of mining for the sole purpose of trying to spot an overlord ..

On March 21 2011 00:10 iChau wrote:


a) Pros start doing this. All you have to do in close-air positions is to click a probe, move to edge of the base, and move it back. You'll see an overlord. You seem skeptical.
b) This allows you to scout faster. Do you want your 1st scouting probe to fail 2 times?

Only 5 seconds for positional knowledge. What league are you in?

@Doctor

I wasn't being sarcastic..

In short -- gotta learn OL timings. New maps are harder, but if you saw the OL early you should gather where he's at roughly. Slagpits is a rush central map. I 2 rax everyone but Z that map.

On March 21 2011 00:10 iChau wrote:


a) Pros start doing this. All you have to do in close-air positions is to click a probe, move to edge of the base, and move it back. You'll see an overlord. You seem skeptical.
b) This allows you to scout faster. Do you want your 1st scouting probe to fail 2 times?

Only 5 seconds for positional knowledge. What league are you in?

@Doctor

I wasn't being sarcastic..

On March 21 2011 00:25 Geiko wrote:


WTF are you talking about ? I just tested this with a friend. The timing when you can spot the overlord is 1:40, at that time you've already scouted close positions and are almost at the cross po ramp. What good is wasting 5 secs of mining time at that point ?
I scout as normal, when I see mass drones and zerglings moving out, i pull probes, chase drone, finish wall off, chrono zealot and it's gg.
Seriously you guys need to stop panicking and tell people to do absurd things like check timing for overlords. We are not pros, people forget to send their overlord... for example my diamond friend sent his 12 seconds late. That didn't hinder him, and if I had pulled a probe, I would have gotten the wrong info.
Master league to answer the question.

Edit : Also, I'm fairly sure Pros don't do this in PvZ, stop giving wrong information. I think the confusion here is that some of you are talking about TvZ where T scouts much later than protoss and where such information can actually be useful.

On March 21 2011 01:08 iChau wrote:


We're talking about maps such as Metalopolis or Shattered Temple.

On March 21 2011 01:18 Geiko wrote:


[sarcasm]
Wow my bad, I thought this was a topic about how to deal with 6pool + 7drones on Slag Pits Close-air positions.
[/sarcasm]

Thanks to guys like you, OP is going to start screwing up his BO by doing useless things. Also, I'm not even sure you watched the replay or read the OP before posting...
OP asked how he should stop this, I tested this exact build with a friend and gave him an answer that works. I also took the time of checking out your crazy theories about how he could have scouted this by pulling a probe at a certain timing and answered to that as well... Nothing I can do more I think.
If you want to start your own thread about on which map it is good to pull a probe and when, please do so but stop giving wrong/irrelevant information here.

Wow my bad, I thought this was a topic about how to deal with 6pool + 7drones on Slag Pits Close-air positions.

I'm fairly sure Pros don't do this in PvZ

On March 21 2011 01:33 iChau wrote:


Sigh. You're really.. eh.

+ Show Spoiler + Another 3200 masters agrees with me.

First of all, you want to scout the 6 pool. He never said in the topic, "How to stop the 6 pool 7 drone when on Slag Pits", he says how to stop it when you scout it last. You answered him, but we're just giving extra things. What if he failed again because he scouted zerg last in for example, Shattered Temple, or Metalopolis?

Overlord timings are very crucial, I'm just adding it to your post of how you should stop it after scouting.

Communication is often misinterpreted, but it's okay, I forgive you. A chronoed 11 probe can scout the close-air overlord, allowing you to instantly switch scout paths.

Oh, and since you keep talking about Slag Pits, note in the OP he only mentioned it once, he didn't repeatedly say how to stop it specifically on Slag Pits last scout position.

edit: Oh, and are you saying Day9's, Tasteless's, and Artosis's opinions are irrelevant to scouting quicker? If you think that is irrelevant to scouting a zerg A.S.A.P to check for a fast pool, you sir, are not masters.

On March 20 2011 22:36 DoctorPhil wrote:
Dude, did you even watch the replay?

If you read my OP (or even the thread title), you would know that he used his drones too.

It is evident that you didn't even read the first post. Try again.

This is the OP bashing someone who was giving good advice on what to do in case of 6 pool without drones.

Edit : for OP, double chrono on nexus 14 gate is possible, but in this case you have to do what HuK does : send an early scout at 8 or some time before pylon depending on maps.

On March 21 2011 01:54 DoctorPhil wrote:

I said in the title he used his 7 drones too. Thewres a character limitation so the title was a bit short. However, due to his reply it became clear that he didn't even read the first post. I know how to beat a 6 pool. A six pool + 7drone all in when I scout him last is a different story. If you don't read the OP why bother replying? It's annoying.

On March 20 2011 22:36 DoctorPhil wrote:
Dude, did you even watch the replay?

If you read my OP (or even the thread title), you would know that he used his drones too.

It is evident that you didn't even read the first post. Try again.

On March 21 2011 01:54 DoctorPhil wrote:

I said in the title he used his 7 drones too. Thewres a character limitation so the title was a bit short. However, due to his reply it became clear that he didn't even read the first post. I know how to beat a 6 pool. A six pool + 7drone all in when I scout him last is a different story. If you don't read the OP why bother replying? I even explicitly said to watch the replay first. It's annoying.

Allright, I'll look into that, thanks.

On March 20 2011 22:12 DoctorPhil wrote:
This is the most ridiculous game I've ever played. It's a PvZ where he went 6 pool + 7 drone all in. It was slag pits where we started sideays from each other, me on left bottom and him bottom right. He scouted me early with his overlord. I was unlucky and scouted clockwise, so I saw him when he was already on his way.
I don't see what I can possibly do agaisnt this if I have the misfortune of scouting him last, I couldn't even see his overlord. Do I really need to go forge first in every single game? I doubt that would even have made a difference.

So.... any way to survive this?

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=196964

Watch the replay before commenting please.

ps. 3,3k diamond (me) vs. 300 plat.....

On March 20 2011 23:25 Geiko wrote:
For someone aiming to be in masters, your execution is pretty sloppy.
To start off, you go for a greedy 14 gate with double chrono on nexus. The standard is 13 gate, 2nd chrono on 14 btw. Your pylon and gate timings are horrible. I went and tried for myself :all these little imperfection add up to 5 seconds late on your pylon, 10 seconds late on your gate, and 10-15 secs on your scout.

A proper execution gives you 25 seconds of time to prepare between the time you scout the all in and the time lings + drones are in your base while you barely had 10 seconds in your replay.
25 secs is by far enough time to chase the drone and finish the wall off.

As protoss, you'll find that the only way to survive early game is to have perfect timings. If you are off by 5 seconds when building your FIRST structure, then don't be surprised if you lose to early cheese / all in...

On March 21 2011 16:10 Probe1 wrote:




Do you actually have fun when you play? I don't care if I never see masters or even diamond. I enjoy myself. I watched his replay and he made some mistakes that are definitely outlined as you said.
You're absolutely right, he was 25 seconds late. But if perfection is the price of playing starcraft or getting advice on this forum, then why would you need advice? QED, not everyone is as good as you and I, as insignificant as I am, would appreciate it if you were more constructive with your criticism.

On March 21 2011 16:10 Probe1 wrote:


Do you actually have fun when you play? I don't care if I never see masters or even diamond. I enjoy myself. I watched his replay and he made some mistakes that are definitely outlined as you said.
You're absolutely right, he was 25 seconds late. But if perfection is the price of playing starcraft or getting advice on this forum, then why would you need advice? QED, not everyone is as good as you and I, as insignificant as I am, would appreciate it if you were more constructive with your criticism.