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On August 26 2011 08:34 Klaca wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:53 flx! wrote:On August 26 2011 01:40 Cheeseburgered wrote:On August 25 2011 02:34 Holy Check wrote:
What rank was Savior on Fish? And if he didn't play Fish, what was his equivalent rank? Was he b-team material? savior is probably the same way oov, nada, and boxer were when they were benchwarming in brood war Nada was never bench warming in SCBW. The last three games he played he won, and that was 3 month before switching to SC2. Neither was savior. Remember Savior's promise to destroy everyone in 2009? Well he nearly did, having a long streak and high winrate, and came close to starleague success. When Savior fights hard, you know he is an imminent danger, the dark horse who cannot be ignored.
That was true at the beginning of 2009 when he had a small streak going and went as far as Zero in the MSL. But later he was just losing all of his games, save his last win (killing JD with zerglings just as JD had done to him in WL finals).
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On August 26 2011 08:40 Kalent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 06:53 JIJIyO wrote:
Pretty sad reading those tweets. Loved Savior the player and person before he did that shit. Xellos must truly feel betrayed about what he did, especially after he sacrificed so much for CJ. The worst thing about Savior is that when the rumors about match-fixing first came up, he lied to everyone. His coach, who trusted him so much and denied his match-fixing until Savior confessed, his fans, his teammates, and all the people that work for the BW scene. Betrayed the trust that every put on him.
Look, there is still no concrete proof that Savior got his hands dirty. I believe him. I think he is what he is - a dark mastermind, the twisted maestro leading the troops. But he has sensitive aspects, and he has ego - this would never let him fall to getting humiliated himself by losing game.
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this just makes me sad so very sad about wat happened
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On August 26 2011 08:56 Klaca wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 08:40 Kalent wrote:On August 26 2011 06:53 JIJIyO wrote:
Pretty sad reading those tweets. Loved Savior the player and person before he did that shit. Xellos must truly feel betrayed about what he did, especially after he sacrificed so much for CJ. The worst thing about Savior is that when the rumors about match-fixing first came up, he lied to everyone. His coach, who trusted him so much and denied his match-fixing until Savior confessed, his fans, his teammates, and all the people that work for the BW scene. Betrayed the trust that every put on him. Look, there is still no concrete proof that Savior got his hands dirty. I believe him. I think he is what he is - a dark mastermind, the twisted maestro leading the troops. But he has sensitive aspects, and he has ego - this would never let him fall to getting humiliated himself by losing game.
I'm not saying his fixed matches himself, but there is concrete proof he brokered match-fixing, and IMO, brokering fixed matches and getting others to fix matches is even worse. That still means he betrayed the trust of everyone.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
lol those korean tweets are pretty harsh imo.. can't even play and stream a game online without getting flak, wtf?
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On August 26 2011 12:19 alffla wrote:
lol those korean tweets are pretty harsh imo.. can't even play and stream a game online without getting flak, wtf?
He put the jobs of those people at risk. If someone suddenly threatened your job and source of income, how would you feel?
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On August 26 2011 13:13 Kalent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 12:19 alffla wrote:
lol those korean tweets are pretty harsh imo.. can't even play and stream a game online without getting flak, wtf? He put the jobs of those people at risk. If someone suddenly threatened your job and source of income, how would you feel?
It's more than that but other people's job too (an entire industry).
Currently SC2 won't help much either (with eSports in Korean anyway). With GOM having exclusive rights (one tournament) for SC2 it also means that SC2 isn't a viable option for many people either (so either compete normal with BW or compete in a small tournament where 32 out of hundreds only get a decent amount of prize money. Salaries in SC2 are almost non-existent currently[least compared to BW salaries]).
Though yeah I can understand both sides easily.
Some may feel he's not really sorry because he's making money off of SC (even after what he had done) but at the same time if he needs money, he needs to make money somehow (getting a job may not be easy especially with the scandal being so recent).
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On August 26 2011 02:52 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 04:40 Holy Check wrote:
I agree. Someone should really make a movie about Savior. It would have everything it needs to be a classic. i should go to korea and direct a k-drama...
Ooh, that'd be awesome. Then we could put out a MST3K styled commentary as well. It'd be epic.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 26 2011 13:13 Kalent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 12:19 alffla wrote:
lol those korean tweets are pretty harsh imo.. can't even play and stream a game online without getting flak, wtf? He put the jobs of those people at risk. If someone suddenly threatened your job and source of income, how would you feel?
yea i can understand why they hate him. but for streaming himself playing a game online?
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On August 26 2011 16:00 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 13:13 Kalent wrote:On August 26 2011 12:19 alffla wrote:
lol those korean tweets are pretty harsh imo.. can't even play and stream a game online without getting flak, wtf? He put the jobs of those people at risk. If someone suddenly threatened your job and source of income, how would you feel? yea i can understand why they hate him. but for streaming himself playing a game online?
He's using his past fame earned from the BW scene, which he betrayed, to gain money.
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On August 26 2011 08:40 Kalent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 06:53 JIJIyO wrote:
Pretty sad reading those tweets. Loved Savior the player and person before he did that shit. Xellos must truly feel betrayed about what he did, especially after he sacrificed so much for CJ. The worst thing about Savior is that when the rumors about match-fixing first came up, he lied to everyone. His coach, who trusted him so much and denied his match-fixing until Savior confessed, his fans, his teammates, and all the people that work for the BW scene. Betrayed the trust that every put on him.
wasnt it dispelled as a rumor on a forum that savior had lied to the coach about match fixing?
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I'd like to see Kespa's reaction to this
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51231 Posts
On August 26 2011 16:42 EternalSC wrote:
I'd like to see Kespa's reaction to this
he stopped streaming.
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On August 26 2011 16:14 Kalent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 16:00 alffla wrote:On August 26 2011 13:13 Kalent wrote:On August 26 2011 12:19 alffla wrote:
lol those korean tweets are pretty harsh imo.. can't even play and stream a game online without getting flak, wtf? He put the jobs of those people at risk. If someone suddenly threatened your job and source of income, how would you feel? yea i can understand why they hate him. but for streaming himself playing a game online? He's using his past fame earned from the BW scene, which he betrayed, to gain money.
To be honest I watched his stream because of his ability, not his fame.
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On August 26 2011 02:40 zeehar wrote:
ok, since i have some time i'll translate them.
1. themarine (split into three tweets)
I was very shocked during a broadcast today. I went into one of the famous esports websites (either fomos or des, he doesn't specify) to see what reactions to the broadcast were like, but i saw that articles about savior were getting more hits and replies than the broadcast. they were even calling him ma-bonjwa. i am going home right now, and i've been thinking about this and i've feel worse and worse. all people need to have some conscience. i don't know what he's thinking, coming back so quickly to the scene that he had a very bad effect on. it's somewhat sad. how should i take this? it's even sadder that people are giving him this attention. i wonder who gave savior the idea to do this in the first place? is the esports scene viewed so lightly? this is a sad reality.
2. zergman, afreeca BJ
i will be blacklisting and banning anyone who mentions savior in my channel. i am having doubts over doing this job (BJing) now that a criminal is doing the same job as me i do not feel very good. i will be either delaying or cancelling today's broadcast. thank you.
3. jung sorim, caster
@ themarine: i'm also very stressed out over this. it feels like he's laughing at the tears i shed when he made his apology. why do i have to read about this? how did this happen? please, everyone, i beg you not to give this guy any attention.
4. xellos
when looking at the recent k-league fixing scandal, you can see how serious this matter is... but why are esports fans so forgiving? this is very sad.
5. shim hyun, caster
does he not know what he's done? even if he was being quiet and careful it would still not redeem him, yet he's trying to make money on afreeca? are you even human? did you run out of money to pay the credit card bills for your luxury shopping? *sigh* even dogs are above you. and who are those retards who are watching his broadcasts?
6. coach han
is a lack of money making him a loser? or did he just lose all of his common sense? maybe i should buy him a balloon (star) too...
Ah, Korean BW notable figures. Why do you have so much class? I would hate to live in a society this unforgiving. No wonder plastic surgery is so prevalent when people judge so adamantly and so quickly. It seems that there can't be any hero stories in such a society as redemption is impossible to these people.
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Well okay it's bad to do illegal stuff.
Keep in mind there are far more bad things one can do.
It's been a couple of years, MBC game shutdown, BW slowly dying.
I mean, who the fuck cares ? All these people tweeting are prolly going soon out of job.
For all I know and remember Korea is a crook ridden country and I'm pretty fucking sure the match fixing scandal went much deeper and was much more global than people admitted.
Some people don't care about the BW scandal, like me. I even find it amusingly well representing Korea's dark side of society.
I mean, you have whorehouses litteraly every three doorstep of every busy street over there, every single male almost goes whoring every week end.
I wish he could stream more.
Savior is the only literal and true bw legend. Somehow his stupid action made him something else than the nerdy tv gimmick broadcast stations make progamer to be. And i'm glad for that !
edit : ah posted from wrong account --
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On August 26 2011 17:46 tyCe wrote:
Ah, Korean BW notable figures. Why do you have so much class? I would hate to live in a society this unforgiving. No wonder plastic surgery is so prevalent when people judge so adamantly and so quickly. It seems that there can't be any hero stories in such a society as redemption is impossible to these people.
redemption? redemption is for people who acknowledge their mistakes and wrongdoings, lead a life that is expected of them and then regain the trust and approval of those who cast him out in the first place. slowly. classily. humbly.
streaming on afreeca and trying to leech off his past fame is not a road to redemption.
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On August 26 2011 18:17 EunhaK wrote:
Savior is the only literal and true bw legend. Somehow his stupid action made him something else than the nerdy tv gimmick broadcast stations make progamer to be. And i'm glad for that !
this doesn't even make sense, and if you think of in it this way, i don't know how you've been watching bw/sc2 over the past few years.
you talk about "korea's dark side," well:
1. savior was a part of it with his actions. he facilitated the entry of your so called "dark side" people into the esports scene.
2. what does whoring have to do with esports? with savior? and whoring doesn't exist in france? you don't have any redlight districts in paris?
what makes you so sure that the fixing scandal was global?
"savior is the only literal and true bw legend"
get the fuck out of TL.
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@tyce I think they are going by the saying that is " Once a liar , will always be a liar" so yeah . Though it's still hard for me to gulp down that we lost once a great player with lots of achievement and respect to him because of match fixing scandal . I am still hurting though as I use to brag a lot about these guy to anyone who is interested in starcraft broodwar stating his outstanding record and undefeated during his prime .
Now Flash has replaced his bonjwa throne but it's still a lost to the sc scene in my opinion . Ma je yong hope you do well in studies ^^ . Savior fan forever.
On August 26 2011 19:16 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 18:17 EunhaK wrote:
Savior is the only literal and true bw legend. Somehow his stupid action made him something else than the nerdy tv gimmick broadcast stations make progamer to be. And i'm glad for that ! this doesn't even make sense, and if you think of in it this way, i don't know how you've been watching bw/sc2 over the past few years. you talk about "korea's dark side," well: 1. savior was a part of it with his actions. he facilitated the entry of your so called "dark side" people into the esports scene. 2. what does whoring have to do with esports? with savior? and whoring doesn't exist in france? you don't have any redlight districts in paris? what makes you so sure that the fixing scandal was global? "savior is the only literal and true bw legend"
get the fuck out of TL.
Despite me understanding the reason's you are hitting this guy with all your reasoning , you could at least edited the last part with more tone down agression . Tl.net is a forum and some times people say something to piss you off but you can't stop people from saying their opinion hence you might want to just ignored it and only mods have the right to really !#@$ people out of tl.net in my opinion.
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On August 26 2011 19:16 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 18:17 EunhaK wrote:
Savior is the only literal and true bw legend. Somehow his stupid action made him something else than the nerdy tv gimmick broadcast stations make progamer to be. And i'm glad for that ! this doesn't even make sense, and if you think of in it this way, i don't know how you've been watching bw/sc2 over the past few years. you talk about "korea's dark side," well: 1. savior was a part of it with his actions. he facilitated the entry of your so called "dark side" people into the esports scene. 2. what does whoring have to do with esports? with savior? and whoring doesn't exist in france? you don't have any redlight districts in paris? what makes you so sure that the fixing scandal was global? "savior is the only literal and true bw legend" get the fuck out of TL.
haha i doubt france whore number reaches the 250 000 of korea.
dude, dirty money is everywhere in korea.
isn't hyundae owned by like the biggest gang family over there ?
what i mean, is that match fixing seems to really fit in the picture
oh and don't order me around
edit : no there's no redlight district in france. the redlight district is in amsterdam. Prostitution is illegal. trust me its much harder for the common folk to get a decent prostitute in france than it is in Korea.
its actually funny how you think every major city must have a miari texas street or a redlight district, and goes to show how it is culturally tolerated in Korea. (just like in soooo many E asia countries sadly.)
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