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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 09 2004 09:36 GMT
#1
after watching a huge amount of vods/replays even though im still waiting for my dream siva vs sync vod
i realized that progamers arent really THAT good except a few select people

seriously im not trying to be cocky but i can beat some of these pro gamers.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
SiS
Profile Joined June 2004
United States753 Posts
October 09 2004 09:38 GMT
#2
I doubt it

they're pro for a reason and its not because they suck
If you suddenly become to have twelve sisters, what do you think?
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
October 09 2004 09:39 GMT
#3
also, what do you know about your abilities to perform well under pressure? sitting there infront of the tv cameras KNOWING that everyone that knows you will watch this closely.. there is a lot more than being good at the game to become a pro player imo
zzzzzz
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
October 09 2004 09:39 GMT
#4
have you actually played them though?

It's really really really easy to underestimate someone based on a replay. I used to think the same way. Not that I could beat them, but that in a hypothetical situation where I got to play 50 games in a row with my race matchup and map preferences, I'd probably get lucky a couple of times and take a few games.

But I have actually played some chinese semi-pros, and unless I was just playing really god awful that day, the gap is wider than I thought.
True learning is not the memorization of knowledge; it is the internalization of patterns.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-09 09:53:45
October 09 2004 09:53 GMT
#5
They just make beating each other seem easy.

But it shows how much they dominate when they play in any ladder system going close to undefeated, and I bet they dont even try that hard. This goes for the non boxer/yellow/nada/nal_Ra/etc progamers.
We decide our own destiny
Brown
Profile Joined April 2003
Afghanistan367 Posts
October 09 2004 09:58 GMT
#6
Judging from your posts alone, I'd say you're of below average intelligence. This thread alone illustrates this. You wouldn't be able to beat Mumyung.
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
October 09 2004 10:00 GMT
#7
people need to stop assuming. this goes for everyone.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
October 09 2004 10:00 GMT
#8
The pro-level of play involves so many subtleties and intricacies that to an unitiated eye, it seems almost reachable. The truth of the matter is, at their level, even the slightest of mistakes can cost them a game. I think it's really too difficult to appreciate the importance of literally everything they do, unless you yourself have been in that environment.
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OgerDaniel
Profile Joined March 2003
273 Posts
October 09 2004 10:03 GMT
#9
On October 09 2004 19:00 BroOd wrote:
The pro-level of play involves so many subtleties and intricacies that to an unitiated eye, it seems almost reachable. The truth of the matter is, at their level, even the slightest of mistakes can cost them a game. I think it's really too difficult to appreciate the importance of literally everything they do, unless you yourself have been in that environment.


very well said.
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 09 2004 10:13 GMT
#10
post some of your replays ahk-gosu, that's the only way to do it.
post at least like 5 , or at least beat somebody
Nemesis has left the building~
eternalbliss
Profile Joined August 2004
United States1035 Posts
October 09 2004 10:14 GMT
#11
How can you say that you think you can beat some of them? I think you would most liekly get 3-0ed vs a pG member. And they dont even come close to a progamer. But I guess I got to see a replay of you, o mighty one.
DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
October 09 2004 10:29 GMT
#12
goku u i dun know u, nor have i seen u play. But ive seen ur posts, and from the way u talk/act. It seems to me that ur a c4 newb at best, no offence :\. Few people on tl.net can beat any progamer consistantly.=p

Thats just my opinion
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
October 09 2004 10:29 GMT
#13
On October 09 2004 18:36 ahk-gosu wrote:
after watching a huge amount of vods/replays even though im still waiting for my dream siva vs sync vod
i realized that progamers arent really THAT good except a few select people

seriously im not trying to be cocky but i can beat some of these pro gamers.


dumbest thing, ive ever seen anyone say, ever. Day's a good zerg. Very good, plays well against foriegners, and prolly well vs amature pros. He got a RUDE AWAKENING when he played xellos... he doesn't get to practice against a terran that can micro that perfectly and still macro better than him... you give a pro like xellos. 12rines and 4 medics. He'd pick apart ur 5 lurkers 12 ling force like it wasnt even there... Doesnt matter if u think their strats are dumb, or urs are just so much better, what matters is that whatever they do, they are gonna outplay you, regardless. You'd have 0 chance whatsoever, vs anyone who's qualified for OGN , in a lan game vs them.
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
October 09 2004 10:32 GMT
#14
Prove it by going pro and ill believe you =]
All Those beneath an angry star
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
October 09 2004 10:32 GMT
#15
On October 09 2004 19:29 LumberJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2004 18:36 ahk-gosu wrote:
after watching a huge amount of vods/replays even though im still waiting for my dream siva vs sync vod
i realized that progamers arent really THAT good except a few select people

seriously im not trying to be cocky but i can beat some of these pro gamers.


dumbest thing, ive ever seen anyone say, ever. Day's a good zerg. Very good, plays well against foriegners, and prolly well vs amature pros. He got a RUDE AWAKENING when he played xellos... he doesn't get to practice against a terran that can micro that perfectly and still macro better than him... you give a pro like xellos. 12rines and 4 medics. He'd pick apart ur 5 lurkers 12 ling force like it wasnt even there... Doesnt matter if u think their strats are dumb, or urs are just so much better, what matters is that whatever they do, they are gonna outplay you, regardless. You'd have 0 chance whatsoever, vs anyone who's qualified for OGN , in a lan game vs them.
owned
Entusman #12
itzme_petey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1400 Posts
October 09 2004 10:32 GMT
#16
I think someone just wants attention *opens arm*
"Last night, I played a game.. as I recall it was a strategy game.. Peeked around and what did I see, a girl playing starcraft better than me.. and I jizzed in my pants.."
ArtOfGlory2
Profile Joined March 2004
United States256 Posts
October 09 2004 10:34 GMT
#17
no one that posts on tl can beat payed progamers consistantly. jun/semi progamers maybe.
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 09 2004 10:54 GMT
#18
here's a replay of ahk-gosu, the one he posted himself earlier when he wanted to proove his godly micro.


http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=26160
Nemesis has left the building~
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 09 2004 10:54 GMT
#19
Maybe they just were bad that certain game? I think all progamers are better than mosta people if they play the way they usually do.
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
October 09 2004 11:15 GMT
#20
On October 09 2004 18:36 ahk-gosu wrote:
after watching a huge amount of vods/replays even though im still waiting for my dream siva vs sync vod
i realized that progamers arent really THAT good except a few select people

seriously im not trying to be cocky but i can beat some of these pro gamers.


On what do you base this quite dubious claim? Have you ever played any pros?
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