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Gunwitch, an appearing character on Neil Strauss, best selling book "The Game" whose real name is "Allen Reyes", just got charged for murder after attending a party 1st of january and shooting a girl on the face point blank.
People assume he was forcing sex on the victim which on denial led to what is now a pretty bad scenario.
Think again if you want to join one of those seduction communities. (I´ve been on them, most are filled with crazy maniacs like this, some aren´t and very few of those have really good content)
http://www.ktvz.com/news/26342408/detail.html
+ Show Spoiler +KLAMATH FALLS, Ore. -- A small New Year's Eve party at a Klamath Falls home turned violent Friday night, leaving a woman clinging to life with a gunshot wound to the face and a man arrested and jailed in the crime.
Klamath Falls police responded around 9:30 p.m. Friday to the reported shooting at 220 Mortimer St., said Officer Mike Anderson.
They arrived to find Amber Tripp, 20, of Klamath Falls, with a gunshot wound to the face.
Information gathered there about a reported suspect led officers to Allen Robert Reyes, 31, who was located in the 1800 block of Main Street, about three blocks from the shooting scene, Anderson said.
He was detained pending further investigation and could face attempted murder charges, authorities said
Tripp was first taken to Sky Lakes Medical Center, and later flown Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, where police said she was listed in critical condition Saturday afternoon.
Anderson said police learned during their investigation that Tripp Reyes and at least two others were at the residence for a small party, where alcohol was present. He said it's not yet clear what occurred at the home leading up to the shooting.
The weapon used in the incident has been recovered, they said, adding that no one else was injured.
The investigation is continuing at this time. At the conclusion of the investigation, all reports will be submitted to the Klamath County District Attorney’s Office. PrintEmail
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http://kdrv.com/news/local/200716
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Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh.
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On January 11 2011 05:30 JackMcCoy wrote:
Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh.
lool what a response kudos to you sir . really sorry for the girl though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa
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Hey girl how'd you like me to give you a facial?
Oh.
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Hey girl, how'd you like to suck my Glock?
Oh.
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On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote: though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa
Every time you read something like this, you need to step back and realize that most estimates place about 45% of United States families as 'owning at least one firearm', and nowhere near 1% of them commit crimes like this. It's pretty unfair to say that ownership of a gun needs to be restricted because of one crazy fucker every few weeks.
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On January 11 2011 05:26 JFO wrote:
People assume he was forcing sex on the victim which on denial led to what is now a pretty bad scenario.
Already sounds like a straight-forward, fair trial....
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I've read some of his stuff. Seems pretty standard for PUA advice.
His views on guns, though... that's a little scary.
Hope the girl is okay.
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On January 11 2011 05:37 rawb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote: though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa Every time you read something like this, you need to step back and realize that most estimates place about 45% of United States families as 'owning at least one firearm', and nowhere near 1% of them commit crimes like this. It's pretty unfair to say that ownership of a gun needs to be restricted because of one crazy fucker every few weeks.
Still if you would not have 45% of the population owning a gun the less than 1% crimes would even be less significant. So a statement that the huge availability of guns does not correlate to crime is just ignorant.
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On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:30 JackMcCoy wrote:
Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh. lool what a response kudos to you sir . really sorry for the girl though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa
If guns were outlawed, then only outlaws would have guns
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I bet this guy used the "would you like to see the gun show" pick-up line.
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On January 11 2011 05:40 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:26 JFO wrote:
People assume he was forcing sex on the victim which on denial led to what is now a pretty bad scenario.
Already sounds like a straight-forward, fair trial....
Lol, does it really matter if sexual assault is assumed? He was at a social gathering, there were either witnesses in the room when he shot her or they were in a separate room...in which case his only defense is that she took his gun and shot herself or he did it in self-defense. If it's straight-forward it's because he is clearly guilty.
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I can´t believe people even consider taking advice from him looking at his face. He looks like a sick pedophile for years.
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Wow, some girl dies and you make fucking jokes about it. If you did this in the Tuscon shooting thread, you'd be banned I'm sure.
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On January 11 2011 05:46 PanN wrote:
Wow, some girl dies and you make fucking jokes about it. If you did this in the Tuscon shooting thread, you'd be banned I'm sure.
Well the thread title is misleading, as from the article the girl is still alive.
But I am with you on this one, jokes are out of place and would not be surprised to see the bans coming.
EDIT: I am somewhat curious how you can survive after being shot in the face... I would not like to see it but what trajectory can a bullet take to not kill you?! And what's left of your face if you survive... 
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On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:30 JackMcCoy wrote:
Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh. lool what a response kudos to you sir . really sorry for the girl though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa
looool sure, the guy crazy enough to shoot a girl in the face at point plank range is not crazy anough to aquire a fire arm in an illegal way. please take your delusion and firearm discussion elsewhere.
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The Game was such a weird book... like looking into a different world. On one hand not surprised to see freaks like that are present in that community but at the same time that incident probably besmirches the names of some very level-headed people (say what you will about the whole premise of the community).
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That guy looks like a crazy mofo rather than a pickup artist (I guess he looks on the outside like he does on the inside). That's pretty sad, hopefully the girl makes some sort of recovery. People with guns kill people.
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On January 11 2011 05:52 eLiE wrote:
That guy looks like a crazy mofo rather than a pickup artist (I guess he looks on the outside like he does on the inside). That's pretty sad, hopefully the girl makes some sort of recovery. People with guns kill people.
Be quiet please, this type of discussion isn't warranted here. I also am going to call you a complete fool for your idiotic statement of "People with guns kill people". And no, I'm not going to debate you.
User was warned for this post
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Did you even read the article you were linking us to? The girl survived and he is facing attempted murder charges. Anyways i hope she pulls through and i hope he gets bum-rushed multiple times in prison. After all, he is a player right?
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On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:30 JackMcCoy wrote:
Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh. lool what a response kudos to you sir . really sorry for the girl though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa
Well then stay over there where you have gun control.
Don't ask us for help next time. 
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On January 11 2011 05:54 LazyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote:On January 11 2011 05:30 JackMcCoy wrote:
Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh. lool what a response kudos to you sir . really sorry for the girl though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa Well then stay over there where you have gun control. Don't ask us for help next time.
It's funny because you think you were witty there, but you really weren't.
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On January 11 2011 05:46 PanN wrote:
Wow, some girl dies and you make fucking jokes about it. If you did this in the Tuscon shooting thread, you'd be banned I'm sure.
she's not dead. She logged into her myspace and posted that she is thankful for being alive.
She also has a criminal history for meth possession and some other crimes at 20 years old. Not exactly the type of girl a 'pickup master' should be bragging about.
In my opinion the pickup industry is a big scam, lead by cult leaders that just change a lot for seminars and products and encourage you to act weird. The best advice is to stay away from this pickup industry and be normal.
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Wow, the thread didn't even last a page before it derailed into a gun control discussion.
It would have been such a great opportunity to bash the ridiculous PUA scene.
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On January 11 2011 05:53 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:52 eLiE wrote:
That guy looks like a crazy mofo rather than a pickup artist (I guess he looks on the outside like he does on the inside). That's pretty sad, hopefully the girl makes some sort of recovery. People with guns kill people. Be quiet please, this type of discussion isn't warranted here. I also am going to call you a complete fool for your idiotic statement of "People with guns kill people". And no, I'm not going to debate you.
Don't talk to me like that, would he have gone up to her and stabbed her if he didn't have a gun? Would he have beat her senseless? Guns make it so easy to kill people, they just have to pull a trigger and think they're all bad ass. Why can't discussing the use of guns be warranted? Don't be all elitist with your views like you're some leading expert in gun use.
EDIT: This is all I will say about the topic, since apparently there are other gun argument threads. Excerpt from This article.
A very different theory sees gun possession as causing murder by ordinary people not pre-disposed to crime. This theory holds that thousands of "gun murders [are committed] by law-abiding citizens who might have stayed law-abiding if they had not possessed firearms" -- for "the majority of homicide victims die not as a result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other.... not from 'guns in the wrong hands,' but from the virtually unregulated distribution of an inherently dangerous consumer product...."2
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after reading the first response I was thinking "Wow how can you be joking when it's a life/death situation?"
Then I kept reading down... and the extra jokes ended up being too much for me. LOLL
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The total number of firearms in Canada per person is similar to the USA. Total crime rates of the two countries is similar. It is relatively easy to obtain a legal or illegal firearm in either country. Both countries have similar social, economical, and cultural aspects for large portions of the populations (thanks to the "International Boundary"). And there are many other similarities. It's one of the best countries to use in a comparison, even though there is a massive difference in population, economy, etc, because the issue is more at an individual level, and this is where there are a lot of similarities.
However, Canada has a far lower "Violent" crime rate. Comparing other countries with many similarities yields similar results.
It's just too damn illogical. There's something wrong, and it's not the gun control laws. The USA has a judicial system designed to punish and deter this type of crime more than Canada, yet even that is not working as intended. The same can be said of other countries that would be useful in a comparison. There are cases where less strict or more strict control than the USA both lead to lower violent crime rates.
I don't what's wrong, nor do I know what the solution is. But it's pretty obvious to see what is not the problem, and what won't fix it. Seriously, no more gun control debates in a thread like this. It's completely pointless.
My condolences to the victim's family. Hopefully she recovers.
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This guy is going to have a fun time in prison.
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On January 11 2011 05:59 eLiE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:53 PanN wrote:On January 11 2011 05:52 eLiE wrote:
That guy looks like a crazy mofo rather than a pickup artist (I guess he looks on the outside like he does on the inside). That's pretty sad, hopefully the girl makes some sort of recovery. People with guns kill people. Be quiet please, this type of discussion isn't warranted here. I also am going to call you a complete fool for your idiotic statement of "People with guns kill people". And no, I'm not going to debate you. Don't talk to me like that, would he have gone up to her and stabbed her if he didn't have a gun? Would he have beat her senseless? Guns make it so easy to kill people, they just have to pull a trigger and think they're all bad ass. Why can't discussing the use of guns be warranted? Don't be all elitist with your views like you're some leading expert in gun use. EDIT: This is all I will say about the topic, since apparently there are other gun argument threads. Excerpt from This article. A very different theory sees gun possession as causing murder by ordinary people not pre-disposed to crime. This theory holds that thousands of "gun murders [are committed] by law-abiding citizens who might have stayed law-abiding if they had not possessed firearms" -- for "the majority of homicide victims die not as a result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other.... not from 'guns in the wrong hands,' but from the virtually unregulated distribution of an inherently dangerous consumer product...."2
Yes.
On topic, having a record of substance abuse doesn't make you deserving of a bullet to the face, although I doubt that is what the person who said that was implying...
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rule 1 of the PUA creed is "leave her better than you found her"
dont think being shot is "better than he found her" =\
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On January 11 2011 05:43 d3_crescentia wrote:
I've read some of his stuff. Seems pretty standard for PUA advice.
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I'm not overly familiar, but from the TV show they seemed to emphasize more subtlety and a genuine desire to become a more attractive man and excite women's desires, even if it was creepy/contrived sounding at times. This guy literally just gropes on until/if she says no. He sounds and looks more like a caveman.
On January 11 2011 06:04 Impervious wrote:
The total number of firearms in Canada per person is similar to the USA. Total crime rates of the two countries is similar. It is relatively easy to obtain a legal or illegal firearm in either country. Both countries have similar social, economical, and cultural aspects for large portions of the populations (thanks to the "International Boundary"). And there are many other similarities. It's one of the best countries to use in a comparison, even though there is a massive difference in population, economy, etc, because the issue is more at an individual level, and this is where there are a lot of similarities.
However, Canada has a far lower "Violent" crime rate. Comparing other countries with many similarities yields similar results.
It's just too damn illogical. There's something wrong, and it's not the gun control laws. The USA has a judicial system designed to punish and deter this type of crime more than Canada, yet even that is not working as intended. The same can be said of other countries that would be useful in a comparison. There are cases where less strict or more strict control than the USA both lead to lower violent crime rates.
I don't what's wrong, nor do I know what the solution is. But it's pretty obvious to see what is not the problem, and what won't fix it. Seriously, no more gun control debates in a thread like this. It's completely pointless.
My condolences to the victim's family. Hopefully she recovers.
Not to reignite the gun control debate, but I recall that during the Finland school shooting it was revealed that Finland had a much higher gun ownership rate than the U.S. yet a fraction of the violent crime per capita.
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On January 11 2011 05:55 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:54 LazyMacro wrote:On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote:On January 11 2011 05:30 JackMcCoy wrote:
Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Oh. lool what a response kudos to you sir . really sorry for the girl though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa Well then stay over there where you have gun control. Don't ask us for help next time. It's funny because you think you were witty there, but you really weren't.
I wasn't trying to be witty. You wanted to think I wanted to be witty so you could try to be witty and tell me I wasn't witty.
Wait...k yeah I think that makes sense.
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On January 11 2011 05:43 d3_crescentia wrote:
Hope the girl is okay.
Because murder victims usually are...
He wouldn't be charged with murder is she wasn't dead. It would be attempted murder/something else.
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On January 11 2011 06:15 Pigsquirrel wrote:Because murder victims usually are...
For crying out loud read the freaking article before you post.
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This seduction community thing has got bullshit spelled all over it. and this guy looks like a roofie rapist.
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On January 11 2011 05:44 HeaDStrong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:37 rawb wrote:On January 11 2011 05:34 DISHU wrote: though it pisses me off how easy it is to get a gun in the usa Every time you read something like this, you need to step back and realize that most estimates place about 45% of United States families as 'owning at least one firearm', and nowhere near 1% of them commit crimes like this. It's pretty unfair to say that ownership of a gun needs to be restricted because of one crazy fucker every few weeks. Still if you would not have 45% of the population owning a gun the less than 1% crimes would even be less significant. So a statement that the huge availability of guns does not correlate to crime is just ignorant.
this is not true. Your logic is based on the idea that if you restrict gun ownership, that initial 1% (who are criminals anyways) who own guns and commit crimes with them would suddenly not commit crimes and give up guns because the law says so. No, they would just break another law and keep their firearms.
Crimes of passion, cold-blood, etc. will happen regardless if there is a gun around. contrary to your beliefs, there is no correlation between lack of guns and reduction of crimes, and even if there was, correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
All your stance does is restrict freedoms to the ordinary, law-abiding citizen, which we try too look down upon (and often fail to do, however) in the United States.
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AKA DO NOT derail threads into gun control debates please
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